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Dear Scott,

Valerian is nervine but not narcotic.

Passion Flower is nervine and narcotic though non habit forming under normal usage.

We've never gotten into this before, but I'd draw the line at street drugs as they are not used medicinally.

On the other hand, discussions on Opium and Morphine and other medicinal narcotics would be welcomed as long as the discussions of their use was kept in context and to the topic of Herbal Healing.

Does this help???

Love,

Doc

 

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Scott Hales

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Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:48 PM

[herbal remedies] anti-depression herbs

I like valerian and passion flower, but maybe they are more anti-anxiety herbs? They don't seem sedative, though. I like some other stuff, but they aren't strictly herbs, but extracted from them.. I better go look at the rules, again.. don't wanna be TOAST.. : ) Scott.

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Nervine is definitely calming.

5Htp is a Tryptophan derivative, and is no where near as good as the original.

Amino Acids are open territory on this list.

If you want one of the best natural sources for L-Tryptophan, eat organic Turkey. This is why we all crash after a great Turkey dinner. Turkey is loaded full of that particular Amino Acid.

Love,

Doc

 

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Scott Hales

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Tuesday, October 21, 2003 3:07 PM

[herbal remedies] Re: anti-depression herbs

herbal remedies , "Dr. Ian Shillington" <Dr.IanShillington@G...> wrote:> Dear Scott,> Valerian is nervine but not narcotic.> Passion Flower is nervine and narcotic though non habit forming under normal usage.> We've never gotten into this before, but I'd draw the line at street drugs as they are not used medicinally.Thanks for the reply, Doc.. I wasn't referrring to street drugs, but products derived from plants, such as 5htp, from gryphonia seeds, or amino acides, etc.Is a nervine a calming agent? Scott.

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Morphine is a derivative of the Opium Poppy in a very concentrated form. A person can have an immunity to it. Somewhat like the rare individual who has a difficult time getting drunk regardless of the amount of booze consumed.

 

Personally, I'd prefer the Opium Poppy and a tincture or preparation made from that as a pain handler rather than the Morphine derivative.

The Medical Profession, FDA, and the Pharmaceuticals have taken away our best herbal pain killer by making it illegal to grow it, harvest it, and tincture or otherwise process it. Opium is less addictive than Morphine and if prepared correctly is just as effective as a pain killer if not more so.

 

Making this illegal is completely suppressive, antisocial and downright insane, and was done originally to protect the British Opium Trade, and the large profits the Royal Family of England was making off of it.

 

Let's get real about this. Sure, one can get whacked out on this particular herb, get addicted to it, and even overdose on it and end up kicking the bucket. Soooooooooo what!!! A person can also jump off a bridge, jump in front of a car, or blow their brains out. Ohhhhhhh, the FDA says, "We have to protect you stupid dummies from doing damage to yourselves using these nasty herbs". However in the same breath, they'll tell you to go to your local Medico and get your daily dose of Prozac. Sheesh!!!! I suppose you could commit seppuku with an over dose of Prozac or Valium too, but at least the Medicos are making a profit off your death so it's all OK that way. Am I being sarcastic??? You betcha!!!

 

The Opium Poppy and Marijuana should be legalized. These are herbs and they have their valid uses in the proper circumstances. Opium is an awesome pain killer and it's natural. Like most herbs it is hard to overdose on them as a person will usually get sick long before they reach the danger stage.

 

My two cents on this.

 

Errrrrrrrrr, what was your question???

 

LOL

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

 

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Anjeweleyes

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Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:27 PM

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Please let's talk about morphine then....I am very interested to know why it does nothing for Wayne, as I've heard it is supposed to be some mighty powerful stuff.

One question in particular to you, Doc?

Seriously now, if everyone is at optimal health (ha, don't we wish!), when would you use morphine? Come on, gemme the goods on this stuff...I was putting morphine and opium in the same class as Adderall and Ritalin...as far as uses go...you know, just a cover for the allopathic world.

Please, no one take offense...this is my ignorance here...

Sincerely,

Angel

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Hey, no criticism at all.

If I were wrapped around a telephone pole with an appendage or two missing, I'd want that needle myself. Buuuuuuut, I'd prefer an ounce or two of straight Opium Tincture, made by my own hands.

Love,

Doc

 

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LittleRockCutie

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Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:46 PM

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Please don't boo me off the list but I have had numerous serious surgeries in the past and was quite grateful for a morphine drip. My 80 year old Mom had a morphine drip when she had her knee surgery last March and I can say that I was very grateful to have it to help alleviate her suffering. This is always a last line of defense and one I can say we have only agreed to when faced with serious surgery...nothing laproscopic but the major deep excavations that are sometimes necessary. Believe me when I tell you I am no wimp and have undergone a lot without the aid of anesthesia or painkillers but there will always be a part of me that is very grateful for the morphine for me and mine when we are faced with excruciating pain. Blessings and Light,Marilyn

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Ohhhh, it's even more pronounced with an organic turkey. A top quality organic turkey can almost knock you out :o)

 

Also, if you mix a lot of starch with the turkey (potatos, gravy, and turnips, etc.), you end up getting a double whammy as the body just has to shut down in order to digest the starch and the protein at the same time. Add a glass or two of wine, and kiss the night goodbye LOL.

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

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Kelli Bever

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Tuesday, October 21, 2003 6:16 PM

[herbal remedies] Re: anti-depression herbs

I had heard about "tryptophan" and the "turkey crash"before, but I had always thought that was because ofthe chemical turkeys! Didn't know it was was natural!(I obviously didn't know what tryptophan was...):)Kelli

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So, if you were growing poppies, how would you go about making the tincture... which part would you use????

Suzi

 

 

 

Morphine is a derivative of the Opium Poppy in a very concentrated form. A person can have an immunity to it. Somewhat like the rare individual who has a difficult time getting drunk regardless of the amount of booze consumed.

 

Personally, I'd prefer the Opium Poppy and a tincture or preparation made from that as a pain handler rather than the Morphine derivative.

The Medical Profession, FDA, and the Pharmaceuticals have taken away our best herbal pain killer by making it illegal to grow it, harvest it, and tincture or otherwise process it. Opium is less addictive than Morphine and if prepared correctly is just as effective as a pain killer if not more so.

 

Making this illegal is completely suppressive, antisocial and downright insane, and was done originally to protect the British Opium Trade, and the large profits the Royal Family of England was making off of it.

 

Let's get real about this. Sure, one can get whacked out on this particular herb, get addicted to it, and even overdose on it and end up kicking the bucket. Soooooooooo what!!! A person can also jump off a bridge, jump in front of a car, or blow their brains out. Ohhhhhhh, the FDA says, "We have to protect you stupid dummies from doing damage to yourselves using these nasty herbs". However in the same breath, they'll tell you to go to your local Medico and get your daily dose of Prozac. Sheesh!!!! I suppose you could commit seppuku with an over dose of Prozac or Valium too, but at least the Medicos are making a profit off your death so it's all OK that way. Am I being sarcastic??? You betcha!!!

 

The Opium Poppy and Marijuana should be legalized. These are herbs and they have their valid uses in the proper circumstances. Opium is an awesome pain killer and it's natural. Like most herbs it is hard to overdose on them as a person will usually get sick long before they reach the danger stage.

 

My two cents on this.

 

Errrrrrrrrr, what was your question???

 

LOL

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

 

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Anjeweleyes

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Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:27 PM

Re: [herbal remedies] anti-depression herbs

 

Please let's talk about morphine then....I am very interested to know why it does nothing for Wayne, as I've heard it is supposed to be some mighty powerful stuff.

One question in particular to you, Doc?

Seriously now, if everyone is at optimal health (ha, don't we wish!), when would you use morphine? Come on, gemme the goods on this stuff...I was putting morphine and opium in the same class as Adderall and Ritalin...as far as uses go...you know, just a cover for the allopathic world.

Please, no one take offense...this is my ignorance here...

Sincerely,

AngelFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

 

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It is a specific variety called an Opium Poppy.

Love,

Doc

 

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LittleRockCutie

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Tuesday, October 21, 2003 7:32 PM

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Dear Suzi,I don't think any old poppy seed will do. It has to be a specific type. Right Doc?Marilyn

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This page is a riot to read... sounds kinda like Doc!

 

http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/eclectic/spec-med/main.html by John M. Scudder, M.D., 1870

 

still working on recipes & how too...

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Dr. Ian Shillington [Dr.IanShillington] Tuesday, October 21, 2003 9:50 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] anti-depression herbs

I'm not sure, cause I've never done it.

But from what little research I have done, I believe you use the flower pods after they've rippened, and you make a standard tincture using them.

Sounds like a good project for Don or any other list member who'd like the research project of finding out how to do this.

Whaddya say guys? What's the best way to prepare an Opium Tincture or preparation?????

Love,

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

 

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Suzanne

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Tuesday, October 21, 2003 7:27 PM

Re: [herbal remedies] anti-depression herbs

 

So, if you were growing poppies, how would you go about making the tincture... which part would you use????

Suzi

 

 

 

Morphine is a derivative of the Opium Poppy in a very concentrated form. A person can have an immunity to it. Somewhat like the rare individual who has a difficult time getting drunk regardless of the amount of booze consumed.

 

Personally, I'd prefer the Opium Poppy and a tincture or preparation made from that as a pain handler rather than the Morphine derivative.

The Medical Profession, FDA, and the Pharmaceuticals have taken away our best herbal pain killer by making it illegal to grow it, harvest it, and tincture or otherwise process it. Opium is less addictive than Morphine and if prepared correctly is just as effective as a pain killer if not more so.

 

Making this illegal is completely suppressive, antisocial and downright insane, and was done originally to protect the British Opium Trade, and the large profits the Royal Family of England was making off of it.

 

Let's get real about this. Sure, one can get whacked out on this particular herb, get addicted to it, and even overdose on it and end up kicking the bucket. Soooooooooo what!!! A person can also jump off a bridge, jump in front of a car, or blow their brains out. Ohhhhhhh, the FDA says, "We have to protect you stupid dummies from doing damage to yourselves using these nasty herbs". However in the same breath, they'll tell you to go to your local Medico and get your daily dose of Prozac. Sheesh!!!! I suppose you could commit seppuku with an over dose of Prozac or Valium too, but at least the Medicos are making a profit off your death so it's all OK that way. Am I being sarcastic??? You betcha!!!

 

The Opium Poppy and Marijuana should be legalized. These are herbs and they have their valid uses in the proper circumstances. Opium is an awesome pain killer and it's natural. Like most herbs it is hard to overdose on them as a person will usually get sick long before they reach the danger stage.Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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It is the Papaver somniferum or white poppy that is used and yes, it is the flower pod after ripening. The milky latex (sap) is used to make the tincture with. The tincture is commonly known as Laudanum.

 

And yes, Doc, as soon as I find some I will try it and let you know. But not all poppies contain the alkaloids necessary for the pain killing effects.

 

Don Quai

 

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Scott Hales

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Wednesday, October 22, 2003 6:36 AM

[herbal remedies] Re: anti-depression herbs

 

I think there is some kind of sap or milk that becomes the opium, after it is removed from the poppy.. is saw some video on it.. Scott.

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Yes, any old poppy seed will give some of the alkaloids. But the Papaver somniferum is much preferred for the amount of alkaloids contained in the latex.

 

Don Quai

 

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LittleRockCutie

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Wednesday, October 22, 2003 3:32 AM

Re: [herbal remedies] anti-depression herbs

In a message dated 10/21/2003 8:29:40 PM Central Daylight Time, suziesgoats writes:

So, if you were growing poppies, how would you go about making the tincture... which part would you use????Suzi

Dear Suzi,I don't think any old poppy seed will do. It has to be a specific type. Right Doc?Marilyn

 

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The best way to prepare an opium tincture is to extract the latex from the flower pods before they are ripened. Make small slits into the skin but not into the interior and collect the latex. Then air dry it in the sun. When you have approx. 3 ounces of latex then add it with equal parts of distilled water and alcohol. This is a recipe for Laudanum or tinctured opium.

 

Don Quai

 

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Dr. Ian Shillington

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Wednesday, October 22, 2003 3:49 AM

Re: [herbal remedies] anti-depression herbs

 

I'm not sure, cause I've never done it.

But from what little research I have done, I believe you use the flower pods after they've rippened, and you make a standard tincture using them.

Sounds like a good project for Don or any other list member who'd like the research project of finding out how to do this.

Whaddya say guys? What's the best way to prepare an Opium Tincture or preparation?????

Love,

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

 

 

 

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I've made a tincture of Evening primrose, leaves and flowers, and poppy seeds, crushed. in vodka. I take it for the severe pain of peripheral neuropathy. Works better than the codeine I have prescribed, which I don't take, because it upsets my stomach so.

 

Wild Lettuce sap is also used as an opiate. in the fall, collect the sap in a glass dish, let it dry, pulverize it and add to tincture. The traditional use for this is disolved in warm wine.

 

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> Whaddya say guys? What's the best way to prepare an Opium Tincture or> preparation?????> Love,> Doc

 

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