Guest guest Posted December 16, 2003 Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 Absolutely not! If anything, the Echinacea would beef up the immune system to counter act the negative effects of the Drugs. Under most circumstances (I'm sure if I looked I could find an exception), most herbs will NOT interfere with drugs and will usually help to get rid of the negative effects of those drugs. Depending on the Drug, Herb, AGE and Condition, I'd adjudicate this at the time. Echinacea??? = Anytime as long as you take a break from it. One week on - one week off is best for Echinacea. DMSO on the other hand is a different story. DMSO makes everything else work better and faster regardless of what you're putting into the system, so this works for the bad stuff as well. Yes, it will take the biochemical properties of herbs in there where they are needed and needed fast, and in a more concentrated form, but if you have a drop of fuel oil on your skin and you put a drop of DMSO on top of that, it'll take the fuel oil in there with it. Whatever you mix DMSO with, it will take that into your system - good or bad, so you don't want to mix DMSO with any drug or negative formula = Deadly if mixed with the wrong thing. It gooses up the power on anything. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - DrCrandall HerbalRemedies Monday, December 15, 2003 7:57 PM [herbal remedies] Echinacea and drug interactions A patient told me that her Medico told her not to take herechinacea anymore because it would interfere with her drugs,one of them being Coumadin. This was after she had told himhow it had kept her from getting her usual winter illnessthat usually required multiple visits to him and lots ofdrugs...OK, I'm exaggerating a bit but is this true? Doesechinacea interfere with any drugs?While we're on the subject, does DMSO interfere with anydrugs?Thanks for your help!Anna, Chiropractor, thankfully untrained in drugs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2003 Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 Hi Anna, Echinecea may offset or minimize the effects of immunosuppressive drugs such as cyclosporine and corticosteroids. Supposed potential hepatotoxic effects from persistent use is the rationale for suggesting that echinacea should not be used with known hepatotoxic drugs such as anabolic steroids, amiodarone, methotrexate, and ketoconazole. Now all of this comes from "Herb Contraindications & Drug Interactions" by Francis Brinker N.D. So if she is taking any of the above listed drugs then it might interfere. Otherwise, her doc is blowing smoke out ........ I am not sure about the DMSO question though. I am unable to find any info at this time. HTH, Don Quai - DrCrandall HerbalRemedies Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:57 AM [herbal remedies] Echinacea and drug interactions A patient told me that her Medico told her not to take herechinacea anymore because it would interfere with her drugs,one of them being Coumadin. This was after she had told himhow it had kept her from getting her usual winter illnessthat usually required multiple visits to him and lots ofdrugs...OK, I'm exaggerating a bit but is this true? Doesechinacea interfere with any drugs?While we're on the subject, does DMSO interfere with anydrugs?Thanks for your help!Anna, Chiropractor, thankfully untrained in drugs Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 Here is the article from the files... if you do a search in the message archives you'll find alot more Search with Dimethylsulfoxide.... ps welcome to the group! DMSO is Dimethylsulfoxide and is processed from pine trees. Commercial grade is used as a solvent and works wonderfully that way. The pharmaceutical grade has been used very successfully with Down Syndrome children, Cancer patients, glaucoma, cataracts, and just about any other ill we humans have mocked up. It is a catalyst second to none as it has the ability to permeate any cell wall existing, including bone and external eye tissue. You can put a drop on your big toe and taste it in your mouth in anywhere from 8 to 12 seconds. Amazing stuff. One of its greatest characteristics is the ability to take herbal biochemicals with it when it passes through these cell walls. This gets the 'goodies' where they are needed fast. It also happens to be a free radical fighter without peer and bonds to free radical hydrogen, oxygen, and carbon atoms and neutralizes them instantly. Most exciting to me is that it also happens to help realign DNA back to the original blueprint. The above are the main reasons it is in my anti-plague formulation. There are over 75 different sulfur compounds in Garlic which is a main ingredient in the Total Tonic Formula. Garlic is "Nature's antibiotic" and used with the DMSO will get in there and knock off bacteria, viruses, and fungi at a tremendous rate. You should be able to get the USP Pharmaceutical Grade at your local drug store or possibly at your local Heathfood store. If you can't, give me a call or e-mail me privately. A lot of "healthfood stores" carry a very inferior brand in plastic. Do not buy this type. DMSO will eventually dissolve plastic over a long period of time. The USP Pharmaceutical grade is stored in brown glass with either a teflon or wax top. This is the variety that is used by the Sierra Clinic to inject into Down Syndrome children to correct that condition. Hope this helps. Love, DocCopyright © 2001 by Ian 'Doc' Shillington. All rights reserved. Suzi Senior Moderator New Photos - easier uploading and sharing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2003 Report Share Posted December 20, 2003 Anna, I don't think there's any "black and white" on this one as it would depend on the drug and what you're trying to do. I certainly wouldn't use it on anyone that was on Prozac for example. But, I'd certainly use it on someone taking Hawthorne or my heart formula. Get the idea??? Whatever you mix it with, you'll need a lot less of it. A lot less of it. The rule of thumb is that it will goose up the strength on anything - good or bad. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - DrCrandall herbal remedies Monday, December 15, 2003 8:48 PM RE: [herbal remedies] Echinacea and drug interactions Good to know on the echinacea. But with the DMSO: doesthis mean that people on any type of drug should not use itexternally, too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 The main caution is to not use it with anything harmful or toxic. It's not that anyone should be afraid of it (I know of no one that has been "permanently" harmed by it regardless of how they screwed up using it), as by using the "good" stuff they can then use the DMSO itself to reverse those negative effects by using it incorrectly. Yessssssssss, people that have used it in a wrong way have put themselves through a lot of discomfort, but I know of no one that has hurt themselves over the long run. The thing to do is to use it the way it should be used and any negative effects will disappear as part of the process. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - DrCrandall herbal remedies Saturday, December 20, 2003 8:24 PM RE: [herbal remedies] Echinacea and drug interactions OK, I think I understand. I will put it on them in my office but usually recommend they buy it themselves. So, I should caution them about using it too often. Will definitely make a note of the Prozac!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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