Herbal Remedies - End Stage esophageal cancer symptoms

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In a message dated 3/29/2004 10:00:35 PM US Mountain Standard Time, lbastow writes:

 

Greetings All,

Here is the low down. Mother in Law has stage 3 soon to be stage 4 esophageal cancer, and will certainly die within 6 months. She is VERY not interested in any real (alternative) treatments. I have spent the last hour looking for what it's going to be like for her when the stroke of doom falls and she gets off this rock but all I can find is the so called treatments for the cancer. It has spread to a lymph node that is supposed to drain fluid from her lungs and as a result they are installing a tube thing so they can more easily drain the fluid off her lungs (they were vacuuming it off before). The cancer started in the esophagus but before they "killed" it in there is spread to a lymph node and has been festering there ever since. If this info makes any difference well good, if not, can someone please point me in the direction that will not try to pass something barbaric off as a treatment. She is going to die, we all know that and sorry about the rant, I'm really sick and tired of the medicos milking my MIL for all she is worth and all her insurance is worth and everywhere I turn for info is selling me some MD (medical deity) snake oil (not to insult any properties that snake oil might actually have).

She won't do the total body cleanse for the incurables?? This is her best shot not only at life but if it is her time it will make it easier and more comfortable for her. There is a very good chance that this may also save her...

 

I wish you the best of luck and you and your family are in my Prayers.

 

God Bless,

Jamie in AZ

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Has she tried Pau D' Arco? That is supposed to be good for cancer, etc.SpareRibOfAz wrote:

 

 

In a message dated 3/29/2004 10:00:35 PM US Mountain Standard Time, lbastow writes:

 

Greetings All,

Here is the low down. Mother in Law has stage 3 soon to be stage 4 esophageal cancer, and will certainly die within 6 months. She is VERY not interested in any real (alternative) treatments. I have spent the last hour looking for what it's going to be like for her when the stroke of doom falls and she gets off this rock but all I can find is the so called treatments for the cancer. It has spread to a lymph node that is supposed to drain fluid from her lungs and as a result they are installing a tube thing so they can more easily drain the fluid off her lungs (they were vacuuming it off before). The cancer started in the esophagus but before they "killed" it in there is spread to a lymph node and has been festering there ever since. If this info makes any difference well good, if not, can someone please point me in the direction that will not try to pass something barbaric off as a treatment. She is going to die, we all know

that and sorry about the rant, I'm really sick and tired of the medicos milking my MIL for all she is worth and all her insurance is worth and everywhere I turn for info is selling me some MD (medical deity) snake oil (not to insult any properties that snake oil might actually have).

She won't do the total body cleanse for the incurables?? This is her best shot not only at life but if it is her time it will make it easier and more comfortable for her. There is a very good chance that this may also save her...

 

I wish you the best of luck and you and your family are in my Prayers.

 

God Bless,

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In a message dated 3/30/2004 9:51:34 AM US Mountain Standard Time, lbastow writes:

 

I'm not looking to ease her suffering, well at least she isn't. I'm looking on information on what is physically going to happen to her body in the end stages of the cancer.

 

 

 

Well when death begins to come it will happen pretty fast like within a few weeks. The body can take on the appearence of a lace pattern with purple tones from circulation slowing and tissue dying. When fingers begin to blue the end is near. They usually have a death rattle when breathing. Some go into a coma just out of the blue. Their memory can fail and they no longer recognize their surroundings and loved ones and say off the wall things. They begin to see people that aren't there, I believe it is people coming to greet them into the next life.. Sometimes you can feel these people around, just be aware of whats happening. Thats all I will say on that in order not to get into trouble for talking about personal beliefs here.. Is this enough info for you... ?? Some need diapers 24 hours before passing as the body shuts down. The skin can also begin to give way... tear easy and bleed as the tissue dies.

 

This is not a pretty site but just remember the one you love for who they were and stick by them until the end... She needs you. This is hard for some to get through, you can email me if you need support as I have been through it a few times.

 

spareribofaz

 

God Bless,

Jamie in AZ

 

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In a message dated 3/30/2004 10:15:13 AM US Mountain Standard Time, SpareRibOfAz writes:

Well when death begins to come it will happen pretty fast like within a few weeks. The body can take on the appearence of a lace pattern with purple tones

I might add this usually is in the feet and legs.

 

God Bless,

Jamie in AZ

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Lauren,

I'm very sorry for your MIL.At this point, Essiac would ease her suffering... It will work on cancer but once main organs quit working it can only alleviate the pain. That would be my choice given the circumstances..

SuziLauren Bastow <lbastow wrote:

 

Greetings All,

Here is the low down. Mother in Law has stage 3 soon to be stage 4 esophageal cancer, and will certainly die within 6 months. She is VERY not interested in any real (alternative) treatments. I have spent the last hour looking for what it's going to be like for her when the stroke of doom falls and she gets off this rock but all I can find is the so called treatments for the cancer. It has spread to a lymph node that is supposed to drain fluid from her lungs and as a result they are installing a tube thing so they can more easily drain the fluid off her lungs (they were vacuuming it off before). The cancer started in the esophagus but before they "killed" it in there is spread to a lymph node and has been festering there ever since. If this info makes any difference well good, if not, can someone please point me in the direction that will not try to pass something barbaric off as a treatment. She is going to die, we all know

that and sorry about the rant, I'm really sick and tired of the medicos milking my MIL for all she is worth and all her insurance is worth and everywhere I turn for info is selling me some MD (medical deity) snake oil (not to insult any properties that snake oil might actually have).Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list

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In a message dated 3/30/2004 11:44:45 AM US Mountain Standard Time, lbastow writes:

THANK YOU for some real information. Do you also know anything about how her breathing will be affected. She also hay pulmonary hypertension and sclerdema. I"m thinking this will also affect circulation. She is going on an experimental treatment that will not "reduce or cure" the cancer but stunt it's growth. A side effect is diarrhea and she just got out of renal failure. I read that diuretics are the chief cause of renal failure, I wonder if that will happen with this "new" medication.

The breathing... Like I said they can get a death rattle, gasping for air as well, it can be quite loud at the end but can begin a week or two before on average from lungs filling with fluids. Most are put on oxygen.. Hospice also has a pill to dry up the fluid to ease that symptom. Mouth sores and tenderness can be a problem of which Hospice usually can get you "Miracle Mouth Wash" to numb it and help it some. Is she with a hospice program? They will give you anything and everything medicine wise to help them be able to process foods since that shuts down also at the end at to keep the stools moving to reduce pain...and more. The pain meds are very constipating.

 

As far as the new meds, it is hard to say since I don't know what they are. Can she keep foods down and just how bad is she at this point? Does she have the lace pattern or skin disclorations yet? any blue or purple? Swelling in the legs and feet and can be other places are a sign the lymph system is shutting down as well... This will be very obvious and not just a little bit.

 

I just wanted to say that this is NOT my route of choice but I understand that some just won't make the natural choice and we are left to care for them the way they desire through conventional treatments.. that is the only reason I am sharing this way with you on this list, to help you get through this.

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THANK YOU for some real information. Do you also know anything about how her breathing will be affected. She also hay pulmonary hypertension and sclerdema. I"m thinking this will also affect circulation. She is going on an experimental treatment that will not "reduce or cure" the cancer but stunt it's growth. A side effect is diarrhea and she just got out of renal failure. I read that diuretics are the chief cause of renal failure, I wonder if that will happen with this "new" medication.

 

 

SpareRibOfAz [spareRibOfAz] Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:15 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - End Stage esophageal cancer symptoms

 

In a message dated 3/30/2004 9:51:34 AM US Mountain Standard Time, lbastow writes:

 

I'm not looking to ease her suffering, well at least she isn't. I'm looking on information on what is physically going to happen to her body in the end stages of the cancer.

 

 

 

Well when death begins to come it will happen pretty fast like within a few weeks. The body can take on the appearence of a lace pattern with purple tones from circulation slowing and tissue dying. When fingers begin to blue the end is near. They usually have a death rattle when breathing. Some go into a coma just out of the blue. Their memory can fail and they no longer recognize their surroundings and loved ones and say off the wall things. They begin to see people that aren't there, I believe it is people coming to greet them into the next life.. Sometimes you can feel these people around, just be aware of whats happening. Thats all I will say on that in order not to get into trouble for talking about personal beliefs here.. Is this enough info for you... ?? Some need diapers 24 hours before passing as the body shuts down. The skin can also begin to give way... tear easy and bleed as the tissue dies.

 

This is not a pretty site but just remember the one you love for who they were and stick by them until the end... She needs you. This is hard for some to get through, you can email me if you need support as I have been through it a few times.

 

spareribofaz

 

God Bless,

Jamie in AZ

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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In a message dated 3/30/2004 2:35:40 PM US Mountain Standard Time, lbastow writes:

 

The MDs just gave her 3-6 months to live. She is on a whole pharmacy of pills. She can still hold down food and walk around and everything. Right now she is in the limbo state, not getting worse but not getting any better either.

 

I am really grateful for the information. I am looking at this whole situation as an exercise in science. She will have to live with the choices she has made, I however want to understand what is physically going on so when she calls me and tell me how she is doing, I will know how close she is to going because she sure won't know and I doubt that any doctor will actually tell her the time of day after they figure they can't sell her anymore tests of scrips to pad their own pocket books.

I know all docs are different some are brutally honest and others hide the truth from you...hard to say what your dealing with.

 

Looks can be deceiving, she may be in a very bad way and turn quickly... or she may be improving. Just treat every day like its last and talk to her about whatever is on your mind.. Don't end up living with regrets. Also be sensitive to her condition and speak kindly.

 

If there is anything else I can help with please let me know.

 

God Bless,

jamie in AZ

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Hi, I just wanted to let you know that I've been very interested in this conversation as well. I have various family members getting up there in age. Some will probably allow me to help them with herbal medicine, others I know won't. These are very difficult situations and this thread is good for me to look at this before I'm in the middle of something with my family. Data always helps!

 

My mom is an interesting one - she admires the way that I have improved my health, and when I give her tips for herself, she tells me that she is fine with doing what she's doing. Then later, we'll be talking and she'll tell me how she worked with her doctor to change something she's doing to a more natural thing and it's good! But it was something she did with her doctor! LOL! It's funny. This happened with her hormone replacement therapy. I urged her to get off the pills and look into natural alternatives. No, no, she's fine. Then a few months later, she's on something natural that her new doctor recommended. The good thing is that at least she's listening! LOL!

 

My dad, on the other hand, is a tougher case. If it doesn't fit in a test tube, he doesn't want to know about it! LOL! He is an engineer/scientist to the core. We are mud, we came from mud, we will return to mud. We must fix the chemical and biological problems in our bodies and minds with drugs. UGH! Whatcha gonna do?! Fortunately, he's healthy as a horse! He is 70 yrs old now, and I have never known him to be sick, not one single day. He does have skin cancer, though. He's "got it under control" and won't consider any alternatives.

 

Something interesting just happened this morning, though. My brother called me out of the blue and wants to know about the total body cleanse! He's turning 40 this June. Wonder if that has anything to do with it!? LOL! My brother hasn't called me more than once or twice, ever. We get along great, but we just don't really talk much. He heard about my successes with the cleanse from mom, and now he's interested! I'm calling him tonight to give him the details.

 

Anyway, ramble ramble. Thanks for listening!

 

 

Kelli

 

 

Just treat every day like its last and talk to her about whatever is on your mind.. Don't end up living with regrets. Also be sensitive to her condition and speak kindly.

 

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Taking IC #1.......That's got to be it, then.

Pretty much all I've changed is eating more veggies, juicing, pooing regularly, and drinking more water.

I still eat some pretty crappy stuff I need to wean out of my diet. But Rome wasn't built in a day!

 

Can't remember who it was who mentioned putting lemon slices in their water.... I bought some organic lemons and since I started that I've been a water drinking machine! YUM!

What a nerd I am if I need lemon in my water to get me to drink it. LOL

 

Something just dawned on me...before i started dabbling in herbs and juicing I needed to nap when my toddler did and was tired and groggy every day. Now that I'm off my arse and moving around that could be the reason for my weight loss, too. I hadn't realized I haven't been napping anymore. Woo hoo!

~hops up and down~

Progress is so slow I hadn't noticed it!

 

Candace

 

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Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:48 PM

RE: Herbal Remedies - End Stage esophageal cancer symptoms

 

WOO HOO!! Good job on the 7 pounds!! I know that it's definitely possible to lose weight just from being regular - my weight fluctuates somewhat depending on the level of IC #1 I'm taking! LOL!

 

:)Kelli

 

 

Candace Podratz [CandaceAndBrock] Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:21 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - End Stage esophageal cancer symptoms

I'm sloooowly but surely changing my diet and the way I live. I have a long way to go on my diet, but I've lost 7 pounds this month. Possibly just from being regular!?!

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Put the pulp back in the juice - or if veggies use it in soups, veggie burgers, veggie "meat" loaf, crackers, etc. So get herbs in bulk and make your own capsules and .....

They're in pill form....lol.. You gotta work with what you got to deal with.

SuziCandace Podratz <CandaceAndBrock wrote:

 

My mom constantly warns me about taking herbs or giving them to Brock. They could kill me. I could give Brock something and then a few minutes later come in the room to see him flopping around on the floor.

Non organic chemical laced herbs, yes, maybe.

She is trying to be more "all natural" and has a whole cupboard full of rock hard pills she takes every day. A calcium PILL. PILLS for her menopause symptoms.....everything in a pill.

I tried telling her it's damn near impossible for her body to digest and assimilate those pills but she thinks I'm looney. After all, EVERYONE takes them, so they must work, right?

I suggested getting a juicer "oh that's too much work" and "that wastes too much of the fruit".

Yes, I'll admit my juiceman jr wastes plenty of the food and is a hassle, but it's still better than nothing!

 

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