Jazzie - Prednisone, oleander and vitamin C

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Oleander could cause an increased heartbeat, but given your

information I tend to think it has a minimal role, if any, in Gus's

heart rate.

 

Prednisone is commonly given to pets with cancer, but I do not like it

at all. I would suggest continuing the oleander and also considering

large amounts of Vitamin C, which other members have reported to have

good success with for their pets cancers.

 

 

oleander soup , Shannon Madonna

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> Gus is around 80 lbs right now.  When I took him in Friday, the vet

told me his heartbeat was approximately twice what it should be. 

Would oleander affect the heartbeat for days after discontinuing?  Gus

had not had any for at least two days prior to seeing the vet.  He is

also on prednisone, which can cause panting. He's been on so many

medications, including chemo, in the past nine months, it's not

surprising that his heart is damaged.  His trembling, rapid heartbeat

and panting have been going on for months, just not as bad.  The

alternative to keeping him on oleander is putting him to sleep, as he

can no longer walk without help and is dropping weight rapidly.  He

gets around okay if I have a sling around his hips and wants to go

outside and move around so he can see what's going on down the street.

 The vet is inclined to think that heart disease is also a

contributing factor in why he hasn't been able to put on muscle mass,

despite

> being on an amino acid blend for six weeks that's designed to bulk

him up.  I'm hoping that the heart medication will keep things under

control until the oleander has a chance to reduce the tumor on his

spine, histio is such an incredibly aggressive cancer the only hope is

to treat it aggresively.. 

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> Shannon, Gus & Pilgrim (the Battling Berners)

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> --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Tony Isaacs wrote:

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> Tony Isaacs

> Re: Re: Jazzie

> oleander soup

> Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 5:02 PM

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How big is Gus? Rapid heartbeat is definitely a possible side effect

of oleander - after all, it contains cardiac glycosides and cross

assays with digoxin/digitalis (though a dose of oleander has much less

cardiac glycosides than does digoxin/digitalis) .

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> --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Shannon Madonna <shannonmadonna@ > wrote:

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> Shannon Madonna <shannonmadonna@ >

> Re: Re: Jazzie

> oleander soup

> Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 9:00 AM

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Barbara - I have Gus up to 3 capsules/5ml doses per day.  Neither he

nor Pilgrim has shown any sign of gastric distress, and as I mentioned

yesterday, what I thought was a reaction to oleander was more likely

the too rapid heartbeat.  No soft stools, either.  They both still

have nosedrips, though, which is good.  I restarted them on

artemisinin last night, also, and so far, so good.

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> Shannon, Gus & Pilgrim (the Battling Berners)

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