Refusing a Mammogram

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Hi ,

 

Yes, we are waking up to the ridiculousness of mammograms. In another

study I read 1 control group was given mammograms for detection of

breast cancer and the other control group was advised to do

self-check. In both groups the detection of breast cancer was

virtually the same. I'll post the study later when I have time.

 

Thanks Janet

off to see the Liberal candidate speak in our little town - we're

having an election too you know!

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Tammatha, my heart broke as I read this. I am so sorry. Yet, how are

women to know when the very people they are supposed to trust are the

ones that lead them astray?

 

Thank goodness for natural healing, especially with oleander and yes,

the internet, without which we would have never come across this forum.

 

Thank you for sharing your story.

 

Hugs,

 

 

oleander soup , " Tammatha " <tammatha wrote:

>

> Yep , it is exactly what happened to me. Because my mother had

breast cancer very early back when she was 42 yrs old. Doctors

recommended that I start having mammo's in my 20s. I didn't know any

better then and was exposed to countless mammo's until I was diagnosed

with breast cancer at 43. I remember vividly the last mammo I had before

my diagnosis was so extremely painful I was crying. It was like they

crushed something (and they sure did, a tumor) of course then came the

biopsy which I'm sure caused it to spread. Then believe it or not they

said the biopsy was clear which turned out to be a mistake. A year and a

half later came the cancer diagnosis after yet another mammo due to it

spreading to some lymphnodes. So all they did was give me the cancer,

then did a biopsy to help spread it around, then said oh your okay all

clear, then to let it spread another year and a half to my lymphnodes.

So thank goodness I came to my senses thinking this doesn't feel right

and did tons of research (thank god for the internet) and elected not to

chemo myself. My mother had a recurrence 18 yrs later and chemoed

herself yet again. So I knew there had to me another way. I now will

only do thermography. I will not do anymore CTs or bone scans either.

>

> Tammatha

>

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Thank you , I'm sure there are so many others like me. I did have the one side mastectomy and wonder if I shouldn't of had it done it either, but not much I can do about it now, at least I stopped there. It is incredible how they rushed me through the medical system, it was a week or so after the diagnosis that they scheduled my surgery, my head was spinning, didn't have a chance to think about it really. This was a little over two years ago.The worse part was the anesthesia, they said I would be in recovery for about twenty minutes. Not me, I became deathly ill and was dry heaving for several hours, it got so bad that I collapsed. I finally left recovery with several able bodied people carrying me to the car (it is what I'm told don't remember much). I then threw up for another 6 hrs at home. It was a nightmare, I asked and asked, inquired over and over to many doctors & others at Kaiser Hospital what drug it was that made me so ill, to this day I still don't know. It is amazing how are medical files are top secret even though it is ours.

I'm so anti-conventional medicine it isn't even funny.

 

Tammatha

 

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May

oleander soup

Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:58 PM

Re: Refusing a Mammogram

 

 

Tammatha, my heart broke as I read this. I am so sorry. Yet, how arewomen to know when the very people they are supposed to trust are theones that lead them astray?Thank goodness for natural healing, especially with oleander and yes,the internet, without which we would have never come across this forum.Thank you for sharing your story.Hugs,oleander soup , "Tammatha" <tammatha wrote:>> Yep , it is exactly what happened to me. Because my mother hadbreast cancer very early back when she was 42 yrs old. Doctorsrecommended that I start having mammo's in my 20s. I didn't know anybetter then and was exposed to countless mammo's until I was diagnosedwith breast cancer at 43. I remember vividly the last mammo I had beforemy diagnosis was so extremely painful I was crying. It was like theycrushed something (and they sure did, a tumor) of course then came thebiopsy which I'm sure caused it to spread. Then believe it or not theysaid the biopsy was clear which turned out to be a mistake. A year and ahalf later came the cancer diagnosis after yet another mammo due to itspreading to some lymphnodes. So all they did was give me the cancer,then did a biopsy to help spread it around, then said oh your okay allclear, then to let it spread another year and a half to my lymphnodes.So thank goodness I came to my senses thinking this doesn't feel rightand did tons of research (thank god for the internet) and elected not tochemo myself. My mother had a recurrence 18 yrs later and chemoedherself yet again. So I knew there had to me another way. I now willonly do thermography. I will not do anymore CTs or bone scans either.>> Tammatha>

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OMG! Kaiser. I can tell you of horrendous experiences I had there.

Well, actually, that my mother had there. Actually, the Riverside, CA

facility in particular. Even the mainstream way, I had to fight doctors

to give her the proper care. Even the mainstream way, I knew what was

right and what was negligent. I think they are the experiment for the

upcoming socialized medicine. Because the patients there are nothing

but cattle.

 

THE MASTECTOMY WAS OUTPATIENT????????? Is this normal procedure? I am

horrified. It does not surprise me that they sent you home while you

were so ill. Several abled bodies carried you to your car after you

collapsed???????????? I rest my case. Oh what you must have gone

through! As if you were not undergoing enough trauma. And no, they

will never tell you why you became so ill. They are wonderful at

covering things up. Been there done that.

 

Unfortuntely, the way the system is, they rush patients through

everything without giving them a chance to think. And fear is also used

to convince them that they must have a mastectomy, followed by chemo and

radiation. Like you said, the patient is caught in a whirlwind with

the trauma and fear and they don't know which way is up.

 

Don't blame yourself with regard to the mastectomy. You weren't given

time to think and possibly thought there were no other options. This is

far too common.

 

The good news is that you did find natural healing and know that there

are different options. My heart truly goes out to you. You have been

through a dreadful ordeal.

 

Hugs,

 

 

oleander soup , " Tammatha " <tammatha wrote:

>

> Thank you , I'm sure there are so many others like me. I did

have the one side mastectomy and wonder if I shouldn't of had it done it

either, but not much I can do about it now, at least I stopped there. It

is incredible how they rushed me through the medical system, it was a

week or so after the diagnosis that they scheduled my surgery, my head

was spinning, didn't have a chance to think about it really. This was a

little over two years ago.The worse part was the anesthesia, they said I

would be in recovery for about twenty minutes. Not me, I became deathly

ill and was dry heaving for several hours, it got so bad that I

collapsed. I finally left recovery with several able bodied people

carrying me to the car (it is what I'm told don't remember much). I then

threw up for another 6 hrs at home. It was a nightmare, I asked and

asked, inquired over and over to many doctors & others at Kaiser

Hospital what drug it was that made me so ill, to this day I still don't

know. It is amazing how are medical files are top secret even though it

is ours.

> I'm so anti-conventional medicine it isn't even funny.

>

> Tammatha

> -

> May

> oleander soup

> Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:58 PM

> Re: Refusing a Mammogram

>

>

> Tammatha, my heart broke as I read this. I am so sorry. Yet, how are

> women to know when the very people they are supposed to trust are

the

> ones that lead them astray?

>

> Thank goodness for natural healing, especially with oleander and

yes,

> the internet, without which we would have never come across this

forum.

>

> Thank you for sharing your story.

>

> Hugs,

>

>

> oleander soup , " Tammatha " tammatha@ wrote:

> >

> > Yep , it is exactly what happened to me. Because my mother

had

> breast cancer very early back when she was 42 yrs old. Doctors

> recommended that I start having mammo's in my 20s. I didn't know any

> better then and was exposed to countless mammo's until I was

diagnosed

> with breast cancer at 43. I remember vividly the last mammo I had

before

> my diagnosis was so extremely painful I was crying. It was like they

> crushed something (and they sure did, a tumor) of course then came

the

> biopsy which I'm sure caused it to spread. Then believe it or not

they

> said the biopsy was clear which turned out to be a mistake. A year

and a

> half later came the cancer diagnosis after yet another mammo due to

it

> spreading to some lymphnodes. So all they did was give me the

cancer,

> then did a biopsy to help spread it around, then said oh your okay

all

> clear, then to let it spread another year and a half to my

lymphnodes.

> So thank goodness I came to my senses thinking this doesn't feel

right

> and did tons of research (thank god for the internet) and elected

not to

> chemo myself. My mother had a recurrence 18 yrs later and chemoed

> herself yet again. So I knew there had to me another way. I now will

> only do thermography. I will not do anymore CTs or bone scans

either.

> >

> > Tammatha

> >

>

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Hi Tammatha. I get violently ill with morphine or any cousin type drugs. When I've been asked if I'm allergic to anything and I say morphine and they ask what are my symptoms, I tell them I throw up. They say "oh, that's the normal reaction". I tell them no--it's NOT normal because I will vomit for hours on end. I'm in recovery for hours just because I'm throwing up constantly.

 

I'd only had morphine for a kidney stone once. The vomiting was worse than the stone. Then when I had the mastectomy I was the same with vomiting. I did not have reconstruction surgery at the time. Finally, 15 years after the original mastectomy I got the reconstruction done. I told my doc I was allergic to morphine and got that same old "everyone throws up" speech. They went ahead and gave it to me anyway.

 

When I finally woke up in my room the nurse walked over and was going to hit the button on the morphine drip. I yelled at her to not touch it. She backed off. Finally the doctor came in and said "the nurse told me you wouldn't let her hit the drip button". I told her no, that I was not going to spend hours throwing up, especially not after all the cutting she had done on my stomach (from one side to the other to use the muscle and fat to reconstruct a breast). She said "yes, they told me you were hours in the recovery room vomiting. Well, but what am I going to give you for pain?". I told her I didn't care so long as it was not opiate related. I would refuse it. She thought for a moment and then said "I know. Toridol--it's a muscle relaxer". They gave me that, in pill form, and I handled the pain quite nicely, and zero vomiting.

 

Then I had to go back for another surgery to even out the breasts and for the surgery they gave me morphine again. It's what they do for surgery I guess, as it was the same doctor and she knew about my problem. I spent I don't know how long in recovery--it was suppose to be an outpatient operation. Only 20 minutes or so in recovery. Not me. Hours later, when the vomiting had subsided, they told my husband he could take me home. I don't remember a thing, but he said they put me in a wheel chair and as he rolled me out of the room, all the people in the main part of the hospital were looking at me because I looked white as a ghost, my head lolled and I was drooling. Lol They must have thought I was some lunatic being released.

 

Considering that they give morphine for all surgeries, that's probably what you had. I'd be very careful of any opiate based drug from this point on. I can barely take any type of pain pill--not that I've had to except one other time for a bad tooth--because they are all mostly opiate based and even a mild pill will make me sick.

 

Guess it's part of my body never having had drugs of any type, and it just can't handle them. You sound the same.

 

Samala,

Renee

 

 

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I then threw up for another 6 hrs at home. It was a nightmare, I asked and asked, inquired over and over to many doctors & others at Kaiser Hospital what drug it was that made me so ill, to this day I still don't know. It is amazing how are medical files are top secret even though it is ours.

I'm so anti-conventional medicine it isn't even funny.

[Guest guest]

May wrote:

>

>

> We have been brainwashed to think that a Mammogram is the best method to

> detect whether we have breast cancer, thereby getting a " jump " on it in

> its early stages. This cannot be further from the truth. First of all,

> Mammograms do not detect cancer. They detect the " risk " of cancer.

> Actually, there is no evidence that breast-cancer screening with

> mammography saves women's lives. In addition, Mammograms are actually

> dangerous, as they provide you with approximately 1,000 times greater

> radiation exposure than a chest X-ray. And the following I consider the

> most important of all: Should there indeed be a tumor present, the

> pressure caused by that vice flattening your breast can actually cause

> the tumor to burst and spread.

>

 

Funny you should post this today. I had a mammogram scheduled for today

but after reading your post I did a little investigating which resulted

in canceling the appointment.

 

I was asked if I wanted to reschedule and I told them no. She asked me

why and I told her I didn't want to be exposed to the radiation. She

didn't act very surprised!

 

Cyndi