Refusing a Mammogram

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Years ago, over about 15 years ago, I read an article about a

product, I think it was in either Woman's Day or Ladies Home Journal.

Amazingly, it was in *some* mainstream publication.

It was about a product that was FAR more accurate at detecting lumps

in the breast and detected them much smaller than a mammogram.

Plus, it was hugely cheaper and the woman performs it herself.

It was a very thin latex disc to be used during self-exams. You

placed it over each section of the breast you were palpating in your

self-exam, and it increased your sensitivity to any irregularities or

abnormalities a tremendous amount.

In tests, they discovered it was far more effective at detecting

early cancers than mammograms, as well as being less expensive and

less potentially damaging, and less intrusive---but the powers-that-

be do not want women (or anyone) taking charge of their own health,

and they certainly do not care about the pain, potential cancer risk,

embarrassment or $$$ that a mammogram inflicts on its patients!

They want the money!

So they gave it the kabosh. The article was questioning that, and

decrying it.

There is so much out there, the technology and knowledge for solar

panels for pennies, an engine that runs hundreds of miles on ounces

of WATER---non-polluting!---and products such as this one. It will be

hard for these products to see the light of day, as long as big

corporate businesses run our government and pay off our scientific

establishments.

Jill~

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Some of the posts on this topic are so very sad! The treatment of fellow humans by the medical profession it utterly appalling! It makes heart rending reading.

Where is compassion?

Cyndi it brightened my day to think that these posts have educated others to the dangers of mammograms.

 

What bothers me:

1. The pressure used on breast tissue is about 150psi!!!!! I would not use a mammogram to find tumours.

2. Radiation

3. Astra Zeneca started the pink ribbon bulldust! They already make horrendous profits, then have the gall to write sob story emails to solicit donations from their victims' surviving relatives! Absolutely no shame!

This is from the Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients

"October is Breast Cancer Awareness Month" was the brainchild of the Zeneca Corp. (now Astra Zeneca), which pays for and controls all radio and TV ads, pamphlets, and most other information related to this campaign with little or no mention of environmental risk factors from toxic pesticides, chemicals, or other environmental pollutants. Astra Zeneca was once part of the British company, Imperial Chemical Industries. The public is largely unaware that Zeneca is the producer of tamoxifen (Nolvadex), the most widely prescribed breast cancer drug in the world. Zeneca also produced acetochlor, a carcinogenic herbicide, increasingly suspected as a risk factor for developing breast cancer. Zeneca has also been buying up cancer clinics around the country. Zeneca stock has been praised in business articles. Clearly, cancer prevention would not be their top priority. (5)

There is very little funding from government and industry for studies on the relationship of pesticides, and environmental pollutants, to cancer. This line of research is not profit-motivating. However, a recent study co-sponsored by the Breast Cancer Fund and Breast Cancer Action found interesting new links. Their report, "State of the Evidence 2004: What is the Connection Between the Environment and Breast Cancer," details new links between environmental toxins and breast cancer. New evidence strengthens the link between breast cancer and exposure to radiation and toxic chemicals.

Exposure to synthetic chemicals and radiation has contributed more than previously thought to the continuing rise of breast cancer. The report reiterated that exposure to ionizing radiation is the best-established cause of breast cancer. From 1950 to 1991 the incidence of breast cancer in the US increased 90%. The Breast Cancer Fund is the only non-profit national organization that focuses solely on identifying and advocating for elimination of environmental and other preventable causes of breast cancer. Breast Cancer Action is a non-profit national education advocacy organization devoted to ending the breast cancer epidemic. (6).

 

 

 

 

 

 

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There is also talk of unnecessarily placing severe stress on women who

are diagnosed with lumps. These may or not be cancerous. If they are

- perhaps they are in situ tumours - they have found in that long

range study I spoke about yesterday women who were diagnosed with

these tumours died several years later and sometimes died of something

else. But they lived all those years in fear of their cancer

recurring or were treated unnecessarily.

 

The thermography results are quite informative. In my first result,

last year, I was quite low on the scale (good news) but the scan

revealed an overall result that suggested I was either near my cycle

(meaning high estrogen levels) or I generally have high estrogen

levels. A mammogram is not going to tell you this. For me I was

armed with information I took with me to my Naturopath. She guided me

onto an anti-estrogenic diet. I know other women who found that one

breast was " hotter " than the other (you receive a digital image).

Though it didn't necessarily mean anything cancerous, it was a jumping

off point at which they could address their health.

 

I just ordered two books on the subject that were highly recommended:

Breast Cancer? Breast Health! by Susun Weed

The Complete Natural Medicine Guide to Breast Cancer - by Sat Dharam Kaur

 

These are for women working on prevention, not just those who have

been diagnosed.

 

Janet

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Thanks for all this mammogram information. I've never had one but I do a breast exam a few times a month. I have fibroid tumors. They're suppose to be just inflammation. I was told to stop drinking coffee....but now I'll know not to have a mammogram ever.--- On Fri, 9/12/08, lostrin <lostrin wrote:

lostrin <lostrinRe: Re: Refusing a Mammogramoleander soup Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 11:34 AM

 

 

There is also talk of unnecessarily placing severe stress on women whoare diagnosed with lumps. These may or not be cancerous. If they are- perhaps they are in situ tumours - they have found in that longrange study I spoke about yesterday women who were diagnosed withthese tumours died several years later and sometimes died of somethingelse. But they lived all those years in fear of their cancerrecurring or were treated unnecessarily.The thermography results are quite informative. In my first result,last year, I was quite low on the scale (good news) but the scanrevealed an overall result that suggested I was either near my cycle(meaning high estrogen levels) or I generally have high estrogenlevels. A mammogram is not going to tell you this. For me I wasarmed with information I took with me to my Naturopath. She guided meonto an anti-estrogenic diet. I know other women who found that

onebreast was "hotter" than the other (you receive a digital image).Though it didn't necessarily mean anything cancerous, it was a jumpingoff point at which they could address their health.I just ordered two books on the subject that were highly recommended:Breast Cancer? Breast Health! by Susun WeedThe Complete Natural Medicine Guide to Breast Cancer - by Sat Dharam KaurThese are for women working on prevention, not just those who havebeen diagnosed.Janet

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It is still available - I don't know where and what it is called - but it still is out on the market, just not highly publisized. My health coach suggested it. Janna

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Years ago, over about 15 years ago, I read an article about a product, I think it was in either Woman's Day or Ladies Home Journal. Amazingly, it was in *some* mainstream publication. It was about a product that was FAR more accurate at detecting lumps in the breast and detected them much smaller than a mammogram.Plus, it was hugely cheaper and the woman performs it herself. It was a very thin latex disc to be used during self-exams. You placed it over each section of the breast you were palpating in your self-exam, and it increased your sensitivity to any irregularities or abnormalities a tremendous amount. In tests, they discovered it was far more effective at detecting early cancers than mammograms, as well as being less expensive and less potentially damaging, and less intrusive---but the powers-that-be do not want women (or anyone) taking charge of their own health, and they certainly do not care about the pain, potential cancer risk, embarrassment or $$$ that a mammogram inflicts on its patients!They want the money!So they gave it the kabosh. The article was questioning that, and decrying it. There is so much out there, the technology and knowledge for solar panels for pennies, an engine that runs hundreds of miles on ounces of WATER---non-polluting!---and products such as this one. It will be hard for these products to see the light of day, as long as big corporate businesses run our government and pay off our scientific establishments. Jill~

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Wow, Cyndi,

 

Good for you!!! You couldn't get me near any of those allo tests!Nonie

--------> Funny you should post this today. I had a mammogram scheduled for today > but after reading your post I did a little investigating which resulted > in canceling the appointment.> Cyndi>

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Samala, Renee

Thanks for your story, sounds familar. Sounds like the nightmare I had. I'm now terrified to have any reconstruction, due to the prescription drugs they have to pump you up with. It isn't really bothering me much that I have the one breast, I'm thinking I will just live with it. Just the smell of hospitals and everyone's smirky faces working there bothers me. Maybe over time I will change my mind, who knows.

 

Tammatha

 

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Gaiacita

oleander soup

Thursday, September 11, 2008 10:09 PM

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Hi Tammatha. I get violently ill with morphine or any cousin type drugs. When I've been asked if I'm allergic to anything and I say morphine and they ask what are my symptoms, I tell them I throw up. They say "oh, that's the normal reaction". I tell them no--it's NOT normal because I will vomit for hours on end. I'm in recovery for hours just because I'm throwing up constantly.

 

I'd only had morphine for a kidney stone once. The vomiting was worse than the stone. Then when I had the mastectomy I was the same with vomiting. I did not have reconstruction surgery at the time. Finally, 15 years after the original mastectomy I got the reconstruction done. I told my doc I was allergic to morphine and got that same old "everyone throws up" speech. They went ahead and gave it to me anyway.

 

When I finally woke up in my room the nurse walked over and was going to hit the button on the morphine drip. I yelled at her to not touch it. She backed off. Finally the doctor came in and said "the nurse told me you wouldn't let her hit the drip button". I told her no, that I was not going to spend hours throwing up, especially not after all the cutting she had done on my stomach (from one side to the other to use the muscle and fat to reconstruct a breast). She said "yes, they told me you were hours in the recovery room vomiting. Well, but what am I going to give you for pain?". I told her I didn't care so long as it was not opiate related. I would refuse it. She thought for a moment and then said "I know. Toridol--it's a muscle relaxer". They gave me that, in pill form, and I handled the pain quite nicely, and zero vomiting.

 

Then I had to go back for another surgery to even out the breasts and for the surgery they gave me morphine again. It's what they do for surgery I guess, as it was the same doctor and she knew about my problem. I spent I don't know how long in recovery--it was suppose to be an outpatient operation. Only 20 minutes or so in recovery. Not me. Hours later, when the vomiting had subsided, they told my husband he could take me home. I don't remember a thing, but he said they put me in a wheel chair and as he rolled me out of the room, all the people in the main part of the hospital were looking at me because I looked white as a ghost, my head lolled and I was drooling. Lol They must have thought I was some lunatic being released.

 

Considering that they give morphine for all surgeries, that's probably what you had. I'd be very careful of any opiate based drug from this point on. I can barely take any type of pain pill--not that I've had to except one other time for a bad tooth--because they are all mostly opiate based and even a mild pill will make me sick.

 

Guess it's part of my body never having had drugs of any type, and it just can't handle them. You sound the same.

 

Samala,

Renee

 

 

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I then threw up for another 6 hrs at home. It was a nightmare, I asked and asked, inquired over and over to many doctors & others at Kaiser Hospital what drug it was that made me so ill, to this day I still don't know. It is amazing how are medical files are top secret even though it is ours.

I'm so anti-conventional medicine it isn't even funny.

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Thank you so much you are a dear with your words. Sorry to hear of your mothers experiences. Yes, the mastectomy was outpatient. Doing well without mainstream medicine (what a shock), the only thing I use Kaiser for now is my bloodwork, of course my assigned oncologist thinks I'm crazed. I'm up in Northern California, Santa Rosa. Of course she doesn't want to hear about what I'm doing to stay healthy. My recent bloodwork came back great, I had to push her to do the Vitamin D and B-12(because I'm vegan). They will never do anything extra if you are not conforming to what they want you to do. Kaiser is expensive too which I do not like paying. I keep it for my husband (unfortunately he is mainstream) and for accidents god forbid. Completely useless for the cancer.

I'm on the S/OPC and CS and many, many other things too lifestyle and otherwise. The CS & S/OPC has helped my dog Weaver too immensely. His liver enzymes were way up for two years, last week got the results, he is completely normal now, yippee! He is almost 13, unheard of for pooches to get better with age. There is so much information via the internet that turned my head around, although it didn't take much. I believe I was ripe for it. I'm so thankful to Mike Adams newsletters especially, he is a wealth of information and he is the one that lead me to you and Tony and all the wonderful people on this forum.

 

 

Tammatha

 

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May

oleander soup

Thursday, September 11, 2008 10:04 PM

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OMG! Kaiser. I can tell you of horrendous experiences I had there. Well, actually, that my mother had there. Actually, the Riverside, CAfacility in particular. Even the mainstream way, I had to fight doctorsto give her the proper care. Even the mainstream way, I knew what wasright and what was negligent. I think they are the experiment for theupcoming socialized medicine. Because the patients there are nothingbut cattle.THE MASTECTOMY WAS OUTPATIENT????????? Is this normal procedure? I amhorrified. It does not surprise me that they sent you home while youwere so ill. Several abled bodies carried you to your car after youcollapsed???????????? I rest my case. Oh what you must have gonethrough! As if you were not undergoing enough trauma. And no, theywill never tell you why you became so ill. They are wonderful atcovering things up. Been there done that.Unfortuntely, the way the system is, they rush patients througheverything without giving them a chance to think. And fear is also usedto convince them that they must have a mastectomy, followed by chemo andradiation. Like you said, the patient is caught in a whirlwind withthe trauma and fear and they don't know which way is up.Don't blame yourself with regard to the mastectomy. You weren't giventime to think and possibly thought there were no other options. This isfar too common.The good news is that you did find natural healing and know that thereare different options. My heart truly goes out to you. You have beenthrough a dreadful ordeal.Hugs,oleander soup , "Tammatha" <tammatha wrote:>> Thank you , I'm sure there are so many others like me. I didhave the one side mastectomy and wonder if I shouldn't of had it done iteither, but not much I can do about it now, at least I stopped there. Itis incredible how they rushed me through the medical system, it was aweek or so after the diagnosis that they scheduled my surgery, my headwas spinning, didn't have a chance to think about it really. This was alittle over two years ago.The worse part was the anesthesia, they said Iwould be in recovery for about twenty minutes. Not me, I became deathlyill and was dry heaving for several hours, it got so bad that Icollapsed. I finally left recovery with several able bodied peoplecarrying me to the car (it is what I'm told don't remember much). I thenthrew up for another 6 hrs at home. It was a nightmare, I asked andasked, inquired over and over to many doctors & others at KaiserHospital what drug it was that made me so ill, to this day I still don'tknow. It is amazing how are medical files are top secret even though itis ours.> I'm so anti-conventional medicine it isn't even funny.>> Tammatha> -> May> oleander soup > Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:58 PM> Re: Refusing a Mammogram>>> Tammatha, my heart broke as I read this. I am so sorry. Yet, how are> women to know when the very people they are supposed to trust arethe> ones that lead them astray?>> Thank goodness for natural healing, especially with oleander andyes,> the internet, without which we would have never come across thisforum.>> Thank you for sharing your story.>> Hugs,> >> oleander soup , "Tammatha" tammatha@ wrote:> >> > Yep , it is exactly what happened to me. Because my motherhad> breast cancer very early back when she was 42 yrs old. Doctors> recommended that I start having mammo's in my 20s. I didn't know any> better then and was exposed to countless mammo's until I wasdiagnosed> with breast cancer at 43. I remember vividly the last mammo I hadbefore> my diagnosis was so extremely painful I was crying. It was like they> crushed something (and they sure did, a tumor) of course then camethe> biopsy which I'm sure caused it to spread. Then believe it or notthey> said the biopsy was clear which turned out to be a mistake. A yearand a> half later came the cancer diagnosis after yet another mammo due toit> spreading to some lymphnodes. So all they did was give me thecancer,> then did a biopsy to help spread it around, then said oh your okayall> clear, then to let it spread another year and a half to mylymphnodes.> So thank goodness I came to my senses thinking this doesn't feelright> and did tons of research (thank god for the internet) and electednot to> chemo myself. My mother had a recurrence 18 yrs later and chemoed> herself yet again. So I knew there had to me another way. I now will> only do thermography. I will not do anymore CTs or bone scanseither.> >> > Tammatha> >>