Re:Ormus, white powder gold - for Gerald

[Guest guest]

Gerald,

Magnesium deficiency is out of the question as I take trans dermal

Magnesium daily.

Let's just agree to disagree and drop the subject. I know my results

and those of others I have tested. I do my homework. Thank you for

your input but I would rather put this " debate " to rest as neither of

us can win it. You have your opinion and I will have mine.

 

Have a great day,

 

Alex

 

 

oleander soup , " gerald.fiore " <Dukka88 wrote:

>

> Could be the Magnesium content of your 'Ormus' product or whatever it

> is, you'll find probably that is you send a sample to a good lab you'll

> fins nothing special in it, may magnesium and that's it, many in the

> western world suffer from magnesium deficiency and this is maybe what

> you are feeling but as long as you feel good then thats okay. The Ormus

> vendors are not controlled by a body or an association and so God

> really knows what they really put inside their potions, I have proof

> that some don't even care.

>

>

>

> G

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Alex,

 

What you say is right and I agree, but the investigations I have

made have not come up with great results as yours so I must speak up

if people are led to beleive that Ormus can cure Cancer or cure

depression or reconstruct DNA or feed the light body (Whatever that

means).

 

The time of the Snake Oil merchants was over, I thought. Back then

they couldn't analyze what was in their snake oil but now things are

different, I may or may not agree with colloidal Gold/Silver

products but I cannot say that they don't contain what they say they

do. It is not a question of opnion but a question of fact. There is

nothing in Ormus, the word Ormus itself has been created to make it

cool and mystical, again no vendor can say there is 1mg of Ormus

becasue the thing doesn't exist, Ormus has been likened to Chi,

Prana - how can you say there is Prana in Ormus and none in Carrot

Juice, it's ridiculous really.

 

It's like asking people to beleive in something that isn't there,

imagine if B Vitamin supplements for example could not be assayed

and had no way of knowing if there was any B Vitamins in there,

would people go out and buy them?

 

I'm only saying this becasue I have had some dealings with Ormus

vendors and I'm a person who doesn't like to be cheated and in my

opinion it's a load of rubbish, it didn't work for me or the people

I gave it to, intent? Don't think so, nomatter how much I may not

like a Beer, drink one and it will make you merry, you see intent is

for the intangible and it's a cop out in my opinion, not because of

what you said but becasue I have heard it from those people who push

Ormus with their wild claims, it's even being sold for Cancer now

that I don't like and just not fair to give snake oil to cancer

sufferers who are vulnerable and need something REAL, in 10 years

that Ormus has been around the evidence is only anecdotal that it

has saved lives or done any good.

 

http://www.harmonicinnerprizes.com/etherium-gold.html

 

Above is one of the biggest sellers of Ormus on this site you'll see

brainwave 'evidence' of the efficacy of their product, what they

don't say is that for years they have been in legal fisticuffs with

Sean Adams who made the study, why? Because they don't tell the

whole story, what it really does to subjects. And yet they still use

the said study even though they are going through a legal situation.

To me it sounds like their 'intent' is on making money at whatever

cost to their subjects, some will say fair enough but when it comes

to Ormus being used against Cancer then you need to come to the

table with something serious indeed.

 

Below is the email I and any will recieve if you do some homework on

this company which is one of the biggies.

 

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Now to your specific comment:

Dear Adam, I would like to ask about the Etherium products that are

being advertised with your name and companies as being involved in a

study with the graphs that appear on your site, whne looking on your

site I do not see any infromation about Etherium monatomic elements.

I am confused, did this study take place that others say or not. It

is important as it geves credibility to certain companies. Thankyou,

Gerald.

====

Please see some of our standard answers to enquiries about Etherium

Gold:

====================

Is the Etherium Gold (monatomic matter) intake meant to replace the

visual/auditory stimulation and the feedback (encephlagram) method of

learning enhancement, or is it to be used in conjunction?

====================

Etherium Gold does produce a balanced Alpha wave (7-8 Hz) as it says

in our research report, however the company that published the

report edited out many key points - we have been pursuing a legal

remedy for the past several years and it looks like it could take

years before the case is concluded.

 

Missing information from our original report:

Etherium Gold produces a dominate Alpha wave (7-8 Hz) which

accelerates learning, however it decreases the Theta wave (3-4 Hz)

to enable memory and minimizes the Beta wave (12-14 Hz) for

decisions to the point where the individual becomes irrational and

unethical.

 

The effect only lasts for a few minutes and therefore the only

possible use would be in the few minutes before an exam.

 

Long term use so destroys the Beta wave (12-14 Hz) for decisions to

the point where the individual not only becomes irrational but also

loses the ability to have a proper ethical system - i.e. the

individual can literally not tell right from wrong.

====================

Is the monoatomic (Etherium Gold) matter supposed to replace or

augment the previous visual and auditory stimulation methodology for

creating brain hemisphere balance?

====================

Absolutely not!! Our system creates permanent balance and control of

all 3 waves to create a balanced high performance individual.

====================

I have been ingesting the Etherium Gold capsules for approximately

2 weeks with little discernable increase in reading speed nor

information retention.

====================

Of course not. Even after we balance a brain and tune the frequency

control - which takes 2 days, it takes another 3 days to teach the

new skills required for reading and memory.

========================

 

Anyway my point, I re-discovered Etherium gold and found you can

buy " it " from sites such as 'harmonic inner-prizes' etc. I am

slightly dubious about buying from these sites, (here's the

questions).. should i question these products, do you recommend

them? I am also weary of the affects the substance could have, how

drastic are they? as in some reports it seems slightly personality

changing.

====

See above remarks - do not waste your money and your ethics.

====

 

Also have you yourself used Etherium gold?

====

Yes, I was one of the test subjects. It required 2 weeks with the

Brainwave I to recover my Theta and Beta functions. Literally could

not work efficiently or logically.

====

 

Is it known how long the affects last - i.e. does your brain return

to being unbalanced again without use? Is there a case study of a

Etherium gold user over time? If you can spare some time, any

answers to my questions and/or your opinions will be greatly

appreciated.

====

See above.

====

 

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***

Can the Alphalearning Institute really help you? If so, what would

it cost and how long would it take?

 

Experience has shown that the quickest and least expensive method to

determine whether or not we can help you achieve your goals is a

personal telephone conversation. In fact, it saves us so much time

in extended E-mail correspondence that we pay for the call.

 

Please send an e-mail telling us what time of day (8:00 A.M.to 17:00

P.M.Swiss time), the best day and the telephone number and we will

call you. The average length of such a call is 10 to 20 minutes to

ensure we understand your objectives and that you understand how

much we can help - or not.

 

Thank you again for your interest and we hope to hear from you soon

to determine how best we can be of assistance.

 

Yours sincerely,

Sean Adam

Research Director

******************

 

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Just to let others know that all that glitter aint gold.

 

G

[Guest guest]

I agree with you. Outlandish claims that can't be backed up are total

rubbish. I personally would not call harmonicinnerprizes products as

anything but a mineral supplement. What minerals.. well who knows.

Tried their stuff and for the life of me found nothing special about it.

So guess what we can agree on something. HAHAHA One bad experience

does not equate to all experiences. I have tested lots of stuff.

Homeopathic Medications, Energy Charged water, Pyramids, Reiki, Energy

Healing you name it and I have prob dabbled in it. Love to try stuff

and see what fits me.

 

Muscle testing has really opened my eyes to possibilities. I test

everything before I buy it at the health food store. I save a ton of

money that way!

 

Alex

[Guest guest]

Fair enough Alex, my arguement is with the whole Ormus thing and not

particular companies or people. And the one fact that cannot be

avoided is that Ormus was named by the famous David Hudson according

to some, but were is he? Nobody knows. When there are too many

questions unanswered or poorly answered then you tend to smell a

rat. The only way of knowing what is in your product is by sending

it to a lab and having it assayed or tested, in John Hudsons powder

which was assayed was found to be Gypsum, now if people want to

ingest plaster from their walls that's fine with me but they should

know what they are ingesting instead of giving it some mystical

sounding name, it's deceiving people and not honest.

 

If people say that it cannot be assayed and is a special substance

that avoids detection lets say, but has miraculous powers such as

has been said for Ormus, feeding the light body, levitational

powers, ascension, cancer healing, growth of severed body parts,

growth of severed teeth, regeneration in general, restructuring of

DNA so that 2012 comes all those taking Ormus shall be Immortal, if

some of these claims could be put to the test by grabbing a few

house mice or rats or chickens as the old Alchemists used to do and

TEST these claims, see if after some time they levitate or can

extend the lives of these mice. Actually there was one test done on

mice where the mice were given a kind of Ormus apparently and then

the mice were subjected to a very cruel experiment were they were

drowned but they were able to stay afloat longer than non treated

mice apparently I think it was seacrop or some similar company not

sure the name.

 

If people say that intent is needed to gain spiritual benefits from

these products and mice or rodents or chickens don't have the same

evolutionary level then why don't they get humans who have taking

Ormus for years to show with their intent the ascension,

levitational qualities or prove how they have been healed of cancer

or grown new teeth etc etc, you see what I mean. If we agree that

there could be something in Ormus that hasn't been discovered yet

then I agree that could be right, but were is even the proof that it

has done miraculous things? The tests to show that a persons

arthritis has been cured by this mysterious substance? for example.

 

I made Ormus myself for a time and so was very interested as many

have become in this mysterious substance but really it's just Mickey

Mouse Alchemy at best. The point is to Isolate Gold or some platinum

metals in their monatomic form from seabed sediments by using sodium

hydroxide and cleaning the resulting precipitate which is called the

wet method, which many now do in their own kitchens, then you have

the dry method and then others but basically the idea is the same.

Alchemy is a different thing, Ormus is like a flea on the back of

the Alchemical Wolf, a parasite that has no life of it's own.

 

The cool brain effects that some comment on and the headband effect

and left side of brain tightening etc, I felt all these but later

found out it was due to Arsenic or lead poisoning due to methods of

producing Ormus, so people should be careful when making it

themselves. I had frying effects of my brain as well, lots of

strange feelings. Initially I thought it was great though.

 

Lastly I am interested in Alchemy and if I had an Elixir that had

superb qualities I'd test it on Chickens and mice and once they

extended their normal lifespans then I would win the Methuselah

prize and could help humanity or at least show my findings and

challenge people to test my claims or at least sell my Elxir and

show honest studies that others could reproduce for themselves, if

it only worked on Humans then I would give it all my friends and

family for free and take notes on their health before and after, it

wouldn't cost millions of dollars to do this. In ten years this has

not been done to my knowledge, one wonder why?

 

Maybe one day I can offer one such Elixir, who knows.

 

G

[Guest guest]

Gerald my replies are beside the ++++++. For some reason my replies

don't make it on the group very fast so It may take a while for you to

get this email. Would you care to take this conversation off list as

some may not want to explore the places we could go with this

wonderful conversation?

Alex

 

>

> If people say that it cannot be assayed and is a special substance

> that avoids detection lets say, but has miraculous powers such as

> has been said for Ormus, feeding the light body, levitational

> powers, ascension, cancer healing, growth of severed body parts,

> growth of severed teeth, regeneration in general, restructuring of

> DNA so that 2012 comes all those taking Ormus shall be Immortal,

 

++++ Oh heck I don't want to be immortal. Just happy.

if

> some of these claims could be put to the test by grabbing a few

> house mice or rats or chickens as the old Alchemists used to do and

> TEST these claims, see if after some time they levitate or can

> extend the lives of these mice. Actually there was one test done on

> mice where the mice were given a kind of Ormus apparently and then

> the mice were subjected to a very cruel experiment were they were

> drowned but they were able to stay afloat longer than non treated

> mice apparently I think it was seacrop or some similar company not

> sure the name.

 

++++ Sounds a lot like the old Witchcraft test. Float you are a witch

and you die. Sink and you are innocent yet you still die. What is the

point either way?

 

 

 

 

>

> If people say that intent is needed to gain spiritual benefits from

> these products and mice or rodents or chickens don't have the same

> evolutionary level then why don't they get humans who have taking

> Ormus for years to show with their intent the ascension,

> levitational qualities or prove how they have been healed of cancer

> or grown new teeth etc etc, you see what I mean. If we agree that

> there could be something in Ormus that hasn't been discovered yet

> then I agree that could be right, but were is even the proof that it

has done miraculous things?

 

++++ All I can say is that I feel great taking what I am taking. I

feel more alive than I have in years. Not that the Ormus can take all

the credit. I work on my mental state daily. I work on my energy

daily. I meditate. I take care of what needs to be taken care of. I

don't just give my cares to some diety and hope that they sort it out

the way I want. I intend my day. I am co creator with my life. I enjoy

being me and that is a long dang time coming! ( I have been very slow

getting to where I am.)

 

 

 

 

The tests to show that a persons

> arthritis has been cured by this mysterious substance? for example.

>

> I made Ormus myself for a time and so was very interested as many

> have become in this mysterious substance but really it's just Mickey

> Mouse Alchemy at best. The point is to Isolate Gold or some platinum

> metals in their monatomic form from seabed sediments by using sodium

> hydroxide and cleaning the resulting precipitate which is called the

> wet method, which many now do in their own kitchens, then you have

> the dry method and then others but basically the idea is the same.

> Alchemy is a different thing,

 

++++ I will leave it at alchemy can by many things. I take a negative

thought and transform it into a pretty one. That is considered alchemy

in my book. Taking something and making it better. I love having fun

with energy, stones, herbs, and blessing lots of things. Take sugar

for example. Muscle test yourself holding some sugar. You will prob go

weak unless you are starving! Take that same sugar and bless it.

Blessing meaning harmonize it with your energy system. Now test it?

What were your results?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ormus is like a flea on the back of

> the Alchemical Wolf, a parasite that has no life of it's own.

>

> The cool brain effects that some comment on and the headband effect

> and left side of brain tightening etc, I felt all these but later

> found out it was due to Arsenic or lead poisoning due to methods of

> producing Ormus, so people should be careful when making it

> themselves. I had frying effects of my brain as well, lots of

> strange feelings. Initially I thought it was great though.

 

++++ Wow that is a mess. I have no chemistry skills and would never

try making it myself. I have made my own homeopathics.

 

 

 

 

>

> Lastly I am interested in Alchemy and if I had an Elixir that had

> superb qualities I'd test it on Chickens and mice and once they

> extended their normal lifespans then I would win the Methuselah

> prize and could help humanity or at least show my findings and

> challenge people to test my claims or at least sell my Elxir and

> show honest studies that others could reproduce for themselves, if

> it only worked on Humans then I would give it all my friends and

> family for free and take notes on their health before and after, it

> wouldn't cost millions of dollars to do this. In ten years this has

> not been done to my knowledge, one wonder why?

>

> Maybe one day I can offer one such Elixir, who knows.

 

++++ I wish you the best of luck finding it. I hope that it is soon as

others may well benefit from your hard work.

 

Alex

 

 

 

>

> G

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Alex,

 

True don't want to bore others with my views but just thought seeing as

many are interested in Ormus as I also was and people sell it as a

Cancer alternative healer I thought that was wrong. What you have

going for you is great, positive thoughts or intent and the ability to

change bad to good is a real blessing. YOu can contact me off line if

you have time that would be great.

 

The HeShouWu someone mentioned about making hair darker doesn't seem to

work for me but may do for others, becasue it's black it has a natural

affinity to the kidneys according to chinese medical theory

(traditional) and the kidney is connected to hair an ears, but what HSW

will do is stimulate the kidneys and help with any impotence - beware,

also HSW has been found in rare cases to give women alergic reactions.

 

G