Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?

[Guest guest]

This is a email to my personal address from a person that I had put in contact with Marc. She does not have the abblilithy to interact with the grouup.

 

She is very ill and has been for along time. We had met last yesr at a clinic in Acuna Maexio opperated by Dr. Charles Rogers . Of the group of thirty of so there are only 4 of us let We are all in a state of decline.

 

See her message here.Duke,

I finally went to the doctor's and had a chest x-ray, it showed tumors in both lungs. I can hardly believe it because I have gone thru 6 bottles of oleander since July. But, this is what is going on. The x-ray's show pneumonia and I have been taking CS, I have a fever, can't breathe well and have pain from tumors and I am wheezing. I also have been using MMS 3x's/day 7drops internally and I did the OCC. Oh, I have sent for that herb Jim Humble mentions from the lady in Texas. Got any other suggestions? Thanks for all your input, Janet

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Duke Stone ----- Dallas, Texas

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[Guest guest]

The person Duke is referring to ordered one bottle of liquid from me which arrived at her address on July 5. She ordered another 5 bottles from me towards the end of July which probably arrived at her address by August 5. This means she used 1 bottle during July and, if she has used up the other 5 bottles sent to her, then she has been using roughly 30ml per day for the remainder of the period of slightly more than 2 months. If, as Duke reports, she has been very ill for a long time, and if her cancer was very advanced to begin with, then 2 - 3 months will not produce miracles. At best it will initially slow down the progression of the tumors and then, provided she does a few other important things like proper diet, etc, it should gradually get the cancer under control. One should always remember that cancer is a SYMPTOM of an underlying condition in the body, mostly caused by lifestyle situations like diet an stress. There are no miracle cures that will work unless one addresses the underlying problem that caused the cancer symptom in the first place. Some patients with relatively advanced cancers have gone into complete remission with NO sign of cancer after using the S/OPC for a number of months ONLY to have it return after 2 or more years (after stopping to take the S/OPC) because they did not address the underlying cause.

 

The moral of this is that one has to treat the cancer holistically by looking at all the circumstances that could have led to it in the first place and which may STILL be preventing any progress towards health. One's mental attitude in all this is extremely important.

 

It will also be instructive to know if the tumors have grown in size or number, were they there before, have the growth slowed down, did she have any chemo treatment before using other modalities. And, most importantly, is she not overloading her system wit too many different supplements that may eventually cancel each other's effectiveness.

 

Marc Swanepoel

 

 

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Duke Stone

oleander group ; Duke Stone

Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:04 PM

Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is a email to my personal address from a person that I had put in contact with Marc. She does not have the abblilithy to interact with the grouup.

 

She is very ill and has been for along time. We had met last yesr at a clinic in Acuna Maexio opperated by Dr. Charles Rogers . Of the group of thirty of so there are only 4 of us let We are all in a state of decline.

 

See her message here.Duke,

I finally went to the doctor's and had a chest x-ray, it showed tumors in both lungs. I can hardly believe it because I have gone thru 6 bottles of oleander since July. But, this is what is going on. The x-ray's show pneumonia and I have been taking CS, I have a fever, can't breathe well and have pain from tumors and I am wheezing. I also have been using MMS 3x's/day 7drops internally and I did the OCC. Oh, I have sent for that herb Jim Humble mentions from the lady in Texas. Got any other suggestions? Thanks for all your input, Janet

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Duke Stone ----- Dallas, Texas

info (AT) DukeStone (DOT) Biz

 

[Guest guest]

So, you feel that the underlying cause of cancer/disease can be related to a 'conflict' that we may have had in our life prior to it coming on and if we resolve that 'conflict', then we would be well on our way to the healing we need? How do we go about resolving those 'conflicts?'

~Debbie

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Marc Swanepoel - PhD <marcswanoleander soup Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 4:15:30 PMRe: Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?

 

 

The person Duke is referring to ordered one bottle of liquid from me which arrived at her address on July 5. She ordered another 5 bottles from me towards the end of July which probably arrived at her address by August 5. This means she used 1 bottle during July and, if she has used up the other 5 bottles sent to her, then she has been using roughly 30ml per day for the remainder of the period of slightly more than 2 months. If, as Duke reports, she has been very ill for a long time, and if her cancer was very advanced to begin with, then 2 - 3 months will not produce miracles. At best it will initially slow down the progression of the tumors and then, provided she does a few other important things like proper diet, etc, it should gradually get the cancer under control. One should always remember that cancer is a SYMPTOM of an underlying condition in the body, mostly caused by lifestyle situations like diet

an stress. There are no miracle cures that will work unless one addresses the underlying problem that caused the cancer symptom in the first place. Some patients with relatively advanced cancers have gone into complete remission with NO sign of cancer after using the S/OPC for a number of months ONLY to have it return after 2 or more years (after stopping to take the S/OPC) because they did not address the underlying cause.

 

The moral of this is that one has to treat the cancer holistically by looking at all the circumstances that could have led to it in the first place and which may STILL be preventing any progress towards health. One's mental attitude in all this is extremely important.

 

It will also be instructive to know if the tumors have grown in size or number, were they there before, have the growth slowed down, did she have any chemo treatment before using other modalities. And, most importantly, is she not overloading her system wit too many different supplements that may eventually cancel each other's effectiveness.

 

Marc Swanepoel

 

 

-

Duke Stone

oleander group ; Duke Stone

Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:04 PM

Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is a email to my personal address from a person that I had put in contact with Marc. She does not have the abblilithy to interact with the grouup.

 

She is very ill and has been for along time. We had met last yesr at a clinic in Acuna Maexio opperated by Dr. Charles Rogers . Of the group of thirty of so there are only 4 of us let We are all in a state of decline.

 

See her message here.Duke,

I finally went to the doctor's and had a chest x-ray, it showed tumors in both lungs. I can hardly believe it because I have gone thru 6 bottles of oleander since July. But, this is what is going on. The x-ray's show pneumonia and I have been taking CS, I have a fever, can't breathe well and have pain from tumors and I am wheezing. I also have been using MMS 3x's/day 7drops internally and I did the OCC. Oh, I have sent for that herb Jim Humble mentions from the lady in Texas. Got any other suggestions? Thanks for all your input, Janet

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Duke Stone ----- Dallas, Texas

info (AT) DukeStone (DOT) Biz

 

[Guest guest]

As Marc indicated in his reply - there is a lot of missing information

here, such as prior chemo, the state of the cancer when she began the

OPC, etc. I note yet again that oleander is but one part, albeit an

integral one, of the recommended anti-cancer protocol. How much of it

is she following? Inositol/IP6? Blood Support tonic? Iodine?

Cleansing and detox? Liver support? Diet and lifestyle?

 

Insofar as the pneumonia, the keys to colloidal silver are to first of

all take a superior quality product and second of all to take enough

of it. If she has Utopia Silver colloidal silver or perhaps

Mesosilver, she should be taking at least 4 ounces a day. Any other

brand, or homemade, eight ounces or more. And she should also be

breathing it in via a nebulizer in addition to taking it orally.

 

For that matter, the maximum dose of OPC is 45 ml per day so your

friend may also need to increase that.

 

You say that you are in decline, Duke. Are your markers or tumor

increasing? The last report I recall seeing had your tumor slightly

decreasing.

 

On a final note - we should be settled into our new rental home soon

and only about an hour from Dallas if you would still like to visit

sometime soon.

 

 

oleander soup , Duke Stone <dukesdeals wrote:

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> This is a email to my personal address from a person that I had put

in contact with Marc. She does not have the abblilithy to interact

with the grouup.

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> She is very ill and has been  for along time. We had met last yesr

at a clinic in Acuna Maexio opperated by Dr. Charles Rogers . Of the

group of thirty of so there are only 4 of us let We are all in a state

of decline.

>  

> See her message here.

> Duke,

> I finally went to the doctor's and had a chest x-ray, it showed

tumors in both lungs. I can hardly believe it because I have gone

thru 6 bottles of oleander since July. But, this is what is going on. 

The x-ray's show pneumonia and I have been taking CS, I have a fever,

can't breathe well and  have pain from tumors and I am wheezing. I

also have been using MMS 3x's/day 7drops internally and I did the OCC.

Oh, I have sent for that herb Jim Humble mentions from the lady in

Texas.  Got any other suggestions? Thanks for all your input, Janet

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Duke Stone ----- Dallas, Texas

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[Guest guest]

Dear Marc, check again my orders. 2 liquid

bottles($120.00) of Oleander OPC on 6/19 , but didn't get the order until July something. Remember, I email looking for it?

Next order was 5 bottles of liquid Oleander with 1 free bottle of capsules. Total 6 bottles ($300.00) ordered on 7/23. I have 1 bottle left.

I started out with breast cancer and since May it has spred to my lungs and lymps. I refused the chemo and radiation. And yes I do take lots of supplements. Do you think Graviola could be canceling out the oleander? Janet Duesler

 

 

-

Marc Swanepoel - PhD

oleander soup

Tuesday, October 14, 2008 5:15 PM

Re: Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?

 

 

 

The person Duke is referring to ordered one bottle of liquid from me which arrived at her address on July 5. She ordered another 5 bottles from me towards the end of July which probably arrived at her address by August 5. This means she used 1 bottle during July and, if she has used up the other 5 bottles sent to her, then she has been using roughly 30ml per day for the remainder of the period of slightly more than 2 months. If, as Duke reports, she has been very ill for a long time, and if her cancer was very advanced to begin with, then 2 - 3 months will not produce miracles. At best it will initially slow down the progression of the tumors and then, provided she does a few other important things like proper diet, etc, it should gradually get the cancer under control. One should always remember that cancer is a SYMPTOM of an underlying condition in the body, mostly caused by lifestyle situations like diet an stress. There are no miracle cures that will work unless one addresses the underlying problem that caused the cancer symptom in the first place. Some patients with relatively advanced cancers have gone into complete remission with NO sign of cancer after using the S/OPC for a number of months ONLY to have it return after 2 or more years (after stopping to take the S/OPC) because they did not address the underlying cause.

 

The moral of this is that one has to treat the cancer holistically by looking at all the circumstances that could have led to it in the first place and which may STILL be preventing any progress towards health. One's mental attitude in all this is extremely important.

 

It will also be instructive to know if the tumors have grown in size or number, were they there before, have the growth slowed down, did she have any chemo treatment before using other modalities. And, most importantly, is she not overloading her system wit too many different supplements that may eventually cancel each other's effectiveness.

 

Marc Swanepoel

 

 

-

Duke Stone

oleander group ; Duke Stone

Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:04 PM

Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is a email to my personal address from a person that I had put in contact with Marc. She does not have the abblilithy to interact with the grouup.

 

She is very ill and has been for along time. We had met last yesr at a clinic in Acuna Maexio opperated by Dr. Charles Rogers . Of the group of thirty of so there are only 4 of us let We are all in a state of decline.

 

See her message here.Duke,

I finally went to the doctor's and had a chest x-ray, it showed tumors in both lungs. I can hardly believe it because I have gone thru 6 bottles of oleander since July. But, this is what is going on. The x-ray's show pneumonia and I have been taking CS, I have a fever, can't breathe well and have pain from tumors and I am wheezing. I also have been using MMS 3x's/day 7drops internally and I did the OCC. Oh, I have sent for that herb Jim Humble mentions from the lady in Texas. Got any other suggestions? Thanks for all your input, Janet

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Duke Stone ----- Dallas, Texas

info (AT) DukeStone (DOT) Biz

 

[Guest guest]

Janet -

 

So your cancer spread from your breast into your lungs and lymph

system before you began taking the OPC. Have you been able to monitor

the progression to see if it has slowed? I have seen conflicting

reports about graviola cancelling out other supplements, but I note

that the new Cansema III tonic from Alpha Omega Labs features oleander

along with graviola and chaparral - and that is a very knowledgeable

group when it comes to cancer.

 

Perhaps a list of all the supplements you take would be helpful.

 

Thanks,

 

 

oleander soup , " Janet " <janetlbd wrote:

>

> Dear Marc, check again my orders. 2 liquid

> bottles($120.00) of Oleander OPC on 6/19 , but didn't get the order

until July something. Remember, I email looking for it?

> Next order was 5 bottles of liquid Oleander with 1 free bottle of

capsules. Total 6 bottles ($300.00) ordered on 7/23. I have 1 bottle left.

> I started out with breast cancer and since May it has spred to my

lungs and lymps. I refused the chemo and radiation. And yes I do take

lots of supplements. Do you think Graviola could be canceling out the

oleander? Janet Duesler

>

> -

> Marc Swanepoel - PhD

> oleander soup

> Tuesday, October 14, 2008 5:15 PM

> Re: Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?

>

>

>

> The person Duke is referring to ordered one bottle of liquid from

me which arrived at her address on July 5. She ordered another 5

bottles from me towards the end of July which probably arrived at her

address by August 5. This means she used 1 bottle during July and, if

she has used up the other 5 bottles sent to her, then she has been

using roughly 30ml per day for the remainder of the period of slightly

more than 2 months. If, as Duke reports, she has been very ill for a

long time, and if her cancer was very advanced to begin with, then 2 -

3 months will not produce miracles. At best it will initially slow

down the progression of the tumors and then, provided she does a few

other important things like proper diet, etc, it should gradually get

the cancer under control. One should always remember that cancer is a

SYMPTOM of an underlying condition in the body, mostly caused by

lifestyle situations like diet an stress. There are no miracle cures

that will work unless one addresses the underlying problem that caused

the cancer symptom in the first place. Some patients with relatively

advanced cancers have gone into complete remission with NO sign of

cancer after using the S/OPC for a number of months ONLY to have it

return after 2 or more years (after stopping to take the S/OPC)

because they did not address the underlying cause.

>

> The moral of this is that one has to treat the cancer holistically

by looking at all the circumstances that could have led to it in the

first place and which may STILL be preventing any progress towards

health. One's mental attitude in all this is extremely important.

>

> It will also be instructive to know if the tumors have grown in

size or number, were they there before, have the growth slowed down,

did she have any chemo treatment before using other modalities. And,

most importantly, is she not overloading her system wit too many

different supplements that may eventually cancel each other's

effectiveness.

>

> Marc Swanepoel

>

> -

> Duke Stone

> oleander group ; Duke Stone

> Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:04 PM

> Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?

>

>

> This is a email to my personal address from a person that

I had put in contact with Marc. She does not have the abblilithy to

interact with the grouup.

>

> She is very ill and has been for along time. We had met

last yesr at a clinic in Acuna Maexio opperated by Dr. Charles Rogers

.. Of the group of thirty of so there are only 4 of us let We are all

in a state of decline.

>

> See her message here.

> Duke,

> I finally went to the doctor's and had a chest x-ray, it

showed tumors in both lungs. I can hardly believe it because I have

gone thru 6 bottles of oleander since July. But, this is what is going

on. The x-ray's show pneumonia and I have been taking CS, I have a

fever, can't breathe well and have pain from tumors and I am

wheezing. I also have been using MMS 3x's/day 7drops internally and I

did the OCC. Oh, I have sent for that herb Jim Humble mentions from

the lady in Texas. Got any other suggestions? Thanks for all your

input, Janet

>

> Duke Stone ----- Dallas, Texas

> info

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Janet,

I was really sorry to hear about your non-progress. You are right about the initial 2 bottles. As far as Graviola is concerned, it is an ATP-inhibitor. That means it interferes with cellular energy metabolism. Therefore one cannot use it together with CoQ10 or supplements that increase cellular ATP or as the case may be with oleander, substances that also reduce ATP slightly. The poisonous activity of raw oleander is due to the inhibition of the Na-K ATP pump by the cardiac glycosides in the plant. The oleander extract (both S/OPC and the oleander soup) still contains trace amounts of the cardiac glycosides and may thus aggravate the ATP-inhibiting effects of Graviola and there may even be a synergistic action in this effect when the two are combined. I would thus suggest that one stops the Graviola while taking the S/OPC.

Another common problem could be unresolved conflicts. Caroline Myss has a CD - "Why people don't heal" - where she discusses this problem in detail. Although I don't agree with her more mystical theories, what she says about inner conflicts and how to resolve them, makes a lot of sense. I have first hand experience of someone who was completely healed from advanced cancer whose cancer came back in a different form after 2 years due to emotional problems between her and her mother which were further aggravated by extreme stress at work.

You should also check your diet. I have sent you some suggestions.

Marc Swanepoel

 

 

-

Janet

oleander soup

Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:52 PM

Re: Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?

 

 

 

Dear Marc, check again my orders. 2 liquid

bottles($120.00) of Oleander OPC on 6/19 , but didn't get the order until July something. Remember, I email looking for it?

Next order was 5 bottles of liquid Oleander with 1 free bottle of capsules. Total 6 bottles ($300.00) ordered on 7/23. I have 1 bottle left.

I started out with breast cancer and since May it has spred to my lungs and lymps. I refused the chemo and radiation. And yes I do take lots of supplements. Do you think Graviola could be canceling out the oleander? Janet Duesler

 

 

-

Marc Swanepoel - PhD

oleander soup

Tuesday, October 14, 2008 5:15 PM

Re: Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?

 

 

 

The person Duke is referring to ordered one bottle of liquid from me which arrived at her address on July 5. She ordered another 5 bottles from me towards the end of July which probably arrived at her address by August 5. This means she used 1 bottle during July and, if she has used up the other 5 bottles sent to her, then she has been using roughly 30ml per day for the remainder of the period of slightly more than 2 months. If, as Duke reports, she has been very ill for a long time, and if her cancer was very advanced to begin with, then 2 - 3 months will not produce miracles. At best it will initially slow down the progression of the tumors and then, provided she does a few other important things like proper diet, etc, it should gradually get the cancer under control. One should always remember that cancer is a SYMPTOM of an underlying condition in the body, mostly caused by lifestyle situations like diet an stress. There are no miracle cures that will work unless one addresses the underlying problem that caused the cancer symptom in the first place. Some patients with relatively advanced cancers have gone into complete remission with NO sign of cancer after using the S/OPC for a number of months ONLY to have it return after 2 or more years (after stopping to take the S/OPC) because they did not address the underlying cause.

 

The moral of this is that one has to treat the cancer holistically by looking at all the circumstances that could have led to it in the first place and which may STILL be preventing any progress towards health. One's mental attitude in all this is extremely important.

 

It will also be instructive to know if the tumors have grown in size or number, were they there before, have the growth slowed down, did she have any chemo treatment before using other modalities. And, most importantly, is she not overloading her system wit too many different supplements that may eventually cancel each other's effectiveness.

 

Marc Swanepoel

 

 

-

Duke Stone

oleander group ; Duke Stone

Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:04 PM

Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is a email to my personal address from a person that I had put in contact with Marc. She does not have the abblilithy to interact with the grouup.

 

She is very ill and has been for along time. We had met last yesr at a clinic in Acuna Maexio opperated by Dr. Charles Rogers . Of the group of thirty of so there are only 4 of us let We are all in a state of decline.

 

See her message here.Duke,

I finally went to the doctor's and had a chest x-ray, it showed tumors in both lungs. I can hardly believe it because I have gone thru 6 bottles of oleander since July. But, this is what is going on. The x-ray's show pneumonia and I have been taking CS, I have a fever, can't breathe well and have pain from tumors and I am wheezing. I also have been using MMS 3x's/day 7drops internally and I did the OCC. Oh, I have sent for that herb Jim Humble mentions from the lady in Texas. Got any other suggestions? Thanks for all your input, Janet

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Duke Stone ----- Dallas, Texas

info (AT) DukeStone (DOT) Biz

 

[Guest guest]

Hi MarcI think it would be really helpful - to me as much as anyone else - if we could have a little discussion on ATP inhibition and ATP promotion. Co-enzyme Q10, as I understand it, promotes ATP (which should make it contra-indicated for cancer cells - and yet it appears to be highly effective in constraining cancer ( in relation to breast cancer at least according to research). What is an ATP promotion strategy seeking to accomplish and what is an ATP strategy seeking to accomplish - and which herbs, supplements have a significant effect?JonathanJonathan Chamberlain www.fightingcancer.com--- On Wed, 10/15/08, Marc Swanepoel - PhD <marcswan wrote:Marc Swanepoel - PhD <marcswanRe: Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?oleander soup Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 9:19 AM

 

 

Hi Janet,

I was really sorry to hear about your non-progress. You are right about the initial 2 bottles. As far as Graviola is concerned, it is an ATP-inhibitor. T

[Guest guest]

I had read the same thing about Graviola and yet I keep thinking about

the fact that Alpha Omega Labs, whose owner Greg Caton is very

familiar with oleander and Anvirzel, chose to use graviola along with

oleander in their newly formulated Cansema II tonic?? If not for

that, I would have said that graviola and oleander may not be a good

combo. At any rate, it is not needed with oleander in my opinion and

it might be a good idea to stop it.

 

I appear to stand corrected on the resolving of conflicts issue - at

least I did not think that was what you referred to previously. I do

agree that unresolved conflicts can contribute to causing cancer and

to preventing it's remedy, as I stated previously, though I do not

necessarily agree that unresolved conflicts can cause cancer by

themselves without other causative elements being present. But then I

suppose that such unresolved conflicts and the underlying stress might

contribute to such other elements (impaired immune and impaired liver

especially). Stress is not caused the " silent killer " without reason.

 

 

oleander soup , " Marc Swanepoel - PhD "

<marcswan wrote:

>

> Hi Janet,

> I was really sorry to hear about your non-progress. You are right

about the initial 2 bottles. As far as Graviola is concerned, it is

an ATP-inhibitor. That means it interferes with cellular energy

metabolism. Therefore one cannot use it together with CoQ10 or

supplements that increase cellular ATP or as the case may be with

oleander, substances that also reduce ATP slightly. The poisonous

activity of raw oleander is due to the inhibition of the Na-K ATP pump

by the cardiac glycosides in the plant. The oleander extract (both

S/OPC and the oleander soup) still contains trace amounts of the

cardiac glycosides and may thus aggravate the ATP-inhibiting effects

of Graviola and there may even be a synergistic action in this effect

when the two are combined. I would thus suggest that one stops the

Graviola while taking the S/OPC.

> Another common problem could be unresolved conflicts. Caroline Myss

has a CD - " Why people don't heal " - where she discusses this problem

in detail. Although I don't agree with her more mystical theories,

what she says about inner conflicts and how to resolve them, makes a

lot of sense. I have first hand experience of someone who was

completely healed from advanced cancer whose cancer came back in a

different form after 2 years due to emotional problems between her and

her mother which were further aggravated by extreme stress at work.

> You should also check your diet. I have sent you some suggestions.

> Marc Swanepoel

>

> -

> Janet

> oleander soup

> Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:52 PM

> Re: Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?

>

>

>

> Dear Marc, check again my orders. 2 liquid

> bottles($120.00) of Oleander OPC on 6/19 , but didn't get the

order until July something. Remember, I email looking for it?

> Next order was 5 bottles of liquid Oleander with 1 free bottle of

capsules. Total 6 bottles ($300.00) ordered on 7/23. I have 1 bottle left.

> I started out with breast cancer and since May it has spred to my

lungs and lymps. I refused the chemo and radiation. And yes I do take

lots of supplements. Do you think Graviola could be canceling out the

oleander? Janet Duesler

>

> -

> Marc Swanepoel - PhD

> oleander soup

> Tuesday, October 14, 2008 5:15 PM

> Re: Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?

>

>

>

> The person Duke is referring to ordered one bottle of liquid

from me which arrived at her address on July 5. She ordered another 5

bottles from me towards the end of July which probably arrived at her

address by August 5. This means she used 1 bottle during July and, if

she has used up the other 5 bottles sent to her, then she has been

using roughly 30ml per day for the remainder of the period of slightly

more than 2 months. If, as Duke reports, she has been very ill for a

long time, and if her cancer was very advanced to begin with, then 2 -

3 months will not produce miracles. At best it will initially slow

down the progression of the tumors and then, provided she does a few

other important things like proper diet, etc, it should gradually get

the cancer under control. One should always remember that cancer is a

SYMPTOM of an underlying condition in the body, mostly caused by

lifestyle situations like diet an stress. There are no miracle cures

that will work unless one addresses the underlying problem that caused

the cancer symptom in the first place. Some patients with relatively

advanced cancers have gone into complete remission with NO sign of

cancer after using the S/OPC for a number of months ONLY to have it

return after 2 or more years (after stopping to take the S/OPC)

because they did not address the underlying cause.

>

> The moral of this is that one has to treat the cancer

holistically by looking at all the circumstances that could have led

to it in the first place and which may STILL be preventing any

progress towards health. One's mental attitude in all this is

extremely important.

>

> It will also be instructive to know if the tumors have grown in

size or number, were they there before, have the growth slowed down,

did she have any chemo treatment before using other modalities. And,

most importantly, is she not overloading her system wit too many

different supplements that may eventually cancel each other's

effectiveness.

>

> Marc Swanepoel

>

> -

> Duke Stone

> oleander group ; Duke Stone

> Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:04 PM

> Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?

>

>

> This is a email to my personal address from a person

that I had put in contact with Marc. She does not have the abblilithy

to interact with the grouup.

>

> She is very ill and has been for along time. We had met

last yesr at a clinic in Acuna Maexio opperated by Dr. Charles Rogers

.. Of the group of thirty of so there are only 4 of us let We are all

in a state of decline.

>

> See her message here.

> Duke,

> I finally went to the doctor's and had a chest x-ray, it

showed tumors in both lungs. I can hardly believe it because I have

gone thru 6 bottles of oleander since July. But, this is what is going

on. The x-ray's show pneumonia and I have been taking CS, I have a

fever, can't breathe well and have pain from tumors and I am

wheezing. I also have been using MMS 3x's/day 7drops internally and I

did the OCC. Oh, I have sent for that herb Jim Humble mentions from

the lady in Texas. Got any other suggestions? Thanks for all your

input, Janet

>

> Duke Stone ----- Dallas, Texas

> info

>

[Guest guest]

Good points

Graviola that is marketed in an alcohol base should be suspect for sure as the alcohol is a mycotoxiin and could possible feed the cancers cell. The whole tincture concept in my opinion is flawed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Duke Stone ----- Dallas, Texas

info

--- On Wed, 10/15/08, Tony wrote:

Tony Re: Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?oleander soup Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 7:48 AM

 

 

I had read the same thing about Graviola and yet I keep thinking aboutthe fact that Alpha Omega Labs, whose owner Greg Caton is veryfamiliar with oleander and Anvirzel, chose to use graviola along witholeander in their newly formulated Cansema II tonic?? If not forthat, I would have said that graviola and oleander may not be a goodcombo. At any rate, it is not needed with oleander in my opinion andit might be a good idea to stop it.I appear to stand corrected on the resolving of conflicts issue - atleast I did not think that was what you referred to previously. I doagree that unresolved conflicts can contribute to causing cancer andto preventing it's remedy, as I stated previously, though I do notnecessarily agree that unresolved conflicts can cause cancer bythemselves without other causative elements being present. But then Isuppose that such unresolved conflicts and the underlying stress

mightcontribute to such other elements (impaired immune and impaired liverespecially). Stress is not caused the "silent killer" without reason.Tonyoleander soup, "Marc Swanepoel - PhD"<marcswan@.. .> wrote:>> Hi Janet,> I was really sorry to hear about your non-progress. You are rightabout the initial 2 bottles. As far as Graviola is concerned, it isan ATP-inhibitor. That means it interferes with cellular energymetabolism. Therefore one cannot use it together with CoQ10 orsupplements that increase cellular ATP or as the case may be witholeander, substances that also reduce ATP slightly. The poisonousactivity of raw oleander is due to the inhibition of the Na-K ATP pumpby the cardiac glycosides in the plant. The oleander extract (bothS/OPC and the oleander soup) still

contains trace amounts of thecardiac glycosides and may thus aggravate the ATP-inhibiting effectsof Graviola and there may even be a synergistic action in this effectwhen the two are combined. I would thus suggest that one stops theGraviola while taking the S/OPC.> Another common problem could be unresolved conflicts. Caroline Mysshas a CD - "Why people don't heal" - where she discusses this problemin detail. Although I don't agree with her more mystical theories,what she says about inner conflicts and how to resolve them, makes alot of sense. I have first hand experience of someone who wascompletely healed from advanced cancer whose cancer came back in adifferent form after 2 years due to emotional problems between her andher mother which were further aggravated by extreme stress at work.> You should also check your diet. I have sent you some suggestions.> Marc Swanepoel> >

- > Janet > oleander soup > Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:52 PM> Re: Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?> > > > Dear Marc, check again my orders. 2 liquid> bottles($120. 00) of Oleander OPC on 6/19 , but didn't get theorder until July something. Remember, I email looking for it? > Next order was 5 bottles of liquid Oleander with 1 free bottle ofcapsules. Total 6 bottles ($300.00) ordered on 7/23. I have 1 bottle left.> I started out with breast cancer and since May it has spred to mylungs and lymps. I refused the chemo and radiation. And yes I do takelots of supplements. Do you think Graviola could be canceling out theoleander? Janet Duesler> > -

> Marc Swanepoel - PhD > oleander soup > Tuesday, October 14, 2008 5:15 PM> Re: Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?> > > > The person Duke is referring to ordered one bottle of liquidfrom me which arrived at her address on July 5. She ordered another 5bottles from me towards the end of July which probably arrived at heraddress by August 5. This means she used 1 bottle during July and, ifshe has used up the other 5 bottles sent to her, then she has beenusing roughly 30ml per day for the remainder of the period of slightlymore than 2 months. If, as Duke reports, she has been very ill for along time, and if her cancer was very advanced to begin with, then 2 -3 months will not produce miracles. At best it will initially slowdown

the progression of the tumors and then, provided she does a fewother important things like proper diet, etc, it should gradually getthe cancer under control. One should always remember that cancer is aSYMPTOM of an underlying condition in the body, mostly caused bylifestyle situations like diet an stress. There are no miracle curesthat will work unless one addresses the underlying problem that causedthe cancer symptom in the first place. Some patients with relativelyadvanced cancers have gone into complete remission with NO sign ofcancer after using the S/OPC for a number of months ONLY to have itreturn after 2 or more years (after stopping to take the S/OPC)because they did not address the underlying cause.> > The moral of this is that one has to treat the cancerholistically by looking at all the circumstances that could have ledto it in the first place and which may STILL be preventing

anyprogress towards health. One's mental attitude in all this isextremely important.> > It will also be instructive to know if the tumors have grown insize or number, were they there before, have the growth slowed down,did she have any chemo treatment before using other modalities. And,most importantly, is she not overloading her system wit too manydifferent supplements that may eventually cancel each other'seffectiveness.> > Marc Swanepoel> > - > Duke Stone > oleander group ; Duke Stone > Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:04 PM> Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?> > > This is a email to my personal address from a personthat I had put in contact with Marc. She does not have the abblilithyto interact with the grouup.> > She is very ill and has been

for along time. We had metlast yesr at a clinic in Acuna Maexio opperated by Dr. Charles Rogers. Of the group of thirty of so there are only 4 of us let We are allin a state of decline.> > See her message here.> Duke, > I finally went to the doctor's and had a chest x-ray, itshowed tumors in both lungs. I can hardly believe it because I havegone thru 6 bottles of oleander since July. But, this is what is goingon. The x-ray's show pneumonia and I have been taking CS, I have afever, can't breathe well and have pain from tumors and I amwheezing. I also have been using MMS 3x's/day 7drops internally and Idid the OCC. Oh, I have sent for that herb Jim Humble mentions fromthe lady in Texas. Got any other suggestions? Thanks for all yourinput, Janet> > Duke Stone ----- Dallas, Texas> info

[Guest guest]

The oleander soup is preserved with alcohol. I don't see how the graviola would be worse.

 

Mike

 

Duke Stone <dukesdealsoleander soup Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 7:59:41 AMRe: Re: Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good points

Graviola that is marketed in an alcohol base should be suspect for sure as the alcohol is a mycotoxiin and could possible feed the cancers cell. The whole tincture concept in my opinion is flawed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Duke Stone ----- Dallas, Texas

info (AT) DukeStone (DOT) Biz

--- On Wed, 10/15/08, Tony > wrote:

Tony > Re: Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?oleander soupWednesday, October 15, 2008, 7:48 AM

 

 

I had read the same thing about Graviola and yet I keep thinking aboutthe fact that Alpha Omega Labs, whose owner Greg Caton is veryfamiliar with oleander and Anvirzel, chose to use graviola along witholeander in their newly formulated Cansema II tonic?? If not forthat, I would have said that graviola and oleander may not be a goodcombo. At any rate, it is not needed with oleander in my opinion andit might be a good idea to stop it.I appear to stand corrected on the resolving of conflicts issue - atleast I did not think that was what you referred to previously. I doagree that unresolved conflicts can contribute to causing cancer andto preventing it's remedy, as I stated previously, though I do notnecessarily agree that unresolved conflicts can cause cancer bythemselves without other causative elements being present. But then Isuppose that such unresolved conflicts and the underlying stress

mightcontribute to such other elements (impaired immune and impaired liverespecially). Stress is not caused the "silent killer" without reason.Tonyoleander soup, "Marc Swanepoel - PhD"<marcswan@.. .> wrote:>> Hi Janet,> I was really sorry to hear about your non-progress. You are rightabout the initial 2 bottles. As far as Graviola is concerned, it isan ATP-inhibitor. That means it interferes with cellular energymetabolism. Therefore one cannot use it together with CoQ10 orsupplements that increase cellular ATP or as the case may be witholeander, substances that also reduce ATP slightly. The poisonousactivity of raw oleander is due to the inhibition of the Na-K ATP pumpby the cardiac glycosides in the plant. The oleander

extract (bothS/OPC and the oleander soup) still contains trace amounts of thecardiac glycosides and may thus aggravate the ATP-inhibiting effectsof Graviola and there may even be a synergistic action in this effectwhen the two are combined. I would thus suggest that one stops theGraviola while taking the S/OPC.> Another common problem could be unresolved conflicts. Caroline Mysshas a CD - "Why people don't heal" - where she discusses this problemin detail. Although I don't agree with her more mystical theories,what she says about inner conflicts and how to resolve them, makes alot of sense. I have first hand experience of someone who wascompletely healed from advanced cancer whose cancer came back in adifferent form after 2 years due to emotional problems between her andher mother which were further aggravated by extreme stress at work.> You should also check your diet. I have sent you some

suggestions.> Marc Swanepoel> > - > Janet > oleander soup > Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:52 PM> Re: Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?> > > > Dear Marc, check again my orders. 2 liquid> bottles($120. 00) of Oleander OPC on 6/19 , but didn't get theorder until July something. Remember, I email looking for it? > Next order was 5 bottles of liquid Oleander with 1 free bottle ofcapsules. Total 6 bottles ($300.00) ordered on 7/23. I have 1 bottle left.> I started out with breast cancer and since May it has spred to mylungs and lymps. I refused the chemo and radiation. And yes I do takelots of supplements. Do you think Graviola could

be canceling out theoleander? Janet Duesler> > - > Marc Swanepoel - PhD > oleander soup > Tuesday, October 14, 2008 5:15 PM> Re: Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?> > > > The person Duke is referring to ordered one bottle of liquidfrom me which arrived at her address on July 5. She ordered another 5bottles from me towards the end of July which probably arrived at heraddress by August 5. This means she used 1 bottle during July and, ifshe has used up the other 5 bottles sent to her, then she has beenusing roughly 30ml per day for the remainder of the period of slightlymore than 2 months. If, as Duke reports, she has been very ill for along

time, and if her cancer was very advanced to begin with, then 2 -3 months will not produce miracles. At best it will initially slowdown the progression of the tumors and then, provided she does a fewother important things like proper diet, etc, it should gradually getthe cancer under control. One should always remember that cancer is aSYMPTOM of an underlying condition in the body, mostly caused bylifestyle situations like diet an stress. There are no miracle curesthat will work unless one addresses the underlying problem that causedthe cancer symptom in the first place. Some patients with relativelyadvanced cancers have gone into complete remission with NO sign ofcancer after using the S/OPC for a number of months ONLY to have itreturn after 2 or more years (after stopping to take the S/OPC)because they did not address the underlying cause.> > The moral of this is that one has to treat the

cancerholistically by looking at all the circumstances that could have ledto it in the first place and which may STILL be preventing anyprogress towards health. One's mental attitude in all this isextremely important.> > It will also be instructive to know if the tumors have grown insize or number, were they there before, have the growth slowed down,did she have any chemo treatment before using other modalities. And,most importantly, is she not overloading her system wit too manydifferent supplements that may eventually cancel each other'seffectiveness.> > Marc Swanepoel> > - > Duke Stone > oleander group ; Duke Stone > Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:04 PM> Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?> > > This is a email to my personal address from a personthat I

had put in contact with Marc. She does not have the abblilithyto interact with the grouup.> > She is very ill and has been for along time. We had metlast yesr at a clinic in Acuna Maexio opperated by Dr. Charles Rogers. Of the group of thirty of so there are only 4 of us let We are allin a state of decline.> > See her message here.> Duke, > I finally went to the doctor's and had a chest x-ray, itshowed tumors in both lungs. I can hardly believe it because I havegone thru 6 bottles of oleander since July. But, this is what is goingon. The x-ray's show pneumonia and I have been taking CS, I have afever, can't breathe well and have pain from tumors and I amwheezing. I also have been using MMS 3x's/day 7drops internally and Idid the OCC. Oh, I have sent for that herb Jim Humble mentions fromthe lady in Texas. Got any other suggestions? Thanks for all yourinput,

Janet> > Duke Stone ----- Dallas, Texas> info

[Guest guest]

There is a common misconception that graviola works through a single mechanism. Graviola does inhibit ATP production, but works in at least two other ways to inhibit cancer cells. This means that CoQ10 does not completely block its action. There probably is synergism between graviola and oleander. Oleander causes some mitochondrial disruption resulting in leakage of cytochrome c. The double hit to electron transport may be desireable if either of the two substances are not producing a therapeutic effect taken alone. The new formula that contains both allows smaller doses of each to be used. The advantage is that each of these substances has proven problematic in terms of tolerance in a subset of users. It could be that both taken together are

producing a synergistic effect and, at the same time, limiting side effects.

 

I tried to edit the previous posts to no avail. This is one annoying aspect of using the web mail version of the list. Sorry.

 

Mike

 

Marc Swanepoel - PhD <marcswanoleander soup Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 3:19:46 AMRe: Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?

 

 

Hi Janet,

I was really sorry to hear about your non-progress. You are right about the initial 2 bottles. As far as Graviola is concerned, it is an ATP-inhibitor. That means it interferes with cellular energy metabolism. Therefore one cannot use it together with CoQ10 or supplements that increase cellular ATP or as the case may be with oleander, substances that also reduce ATP slightly. The poisonous activity of raw oleander is due to the inhibition of the Na-K ATP pump by the cardiac glycosides in the plant. The oleander extract (both S/OPC and the oleander soup) still contains trace amounts of the cardiac glycosides and may thus aggravate the ATP-inhibiting effects of Graviola and there may even be a synergistic action in this effect when the two are combined. I would thus suggest that one stops the Graviola while taking the S/OPC.

Another common problem could be unresolved conflicts. Caroline Myss has a CD - "Why people don't heal" - where she discusses this problem in detail. Although I don't agree with her more mystical theories, what she says about inner conflicts and how to resolve them, makes a lot of sense. I have first hand experience of someone who was completely healed from advanced cancer whose cancer came back in a different form after 2 years due to emotional problems between her and her mother which were further aggravated by extreme stress at work.

You should also check your diet. I have sent you some suggestions.

Marc Swanepoel

 

 

-

Janet

oleander soup

Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:52 PM

Re: Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?

 

 

 

Dear Marc, check again my orders. 2 liquid

bottles($120. 00) of Oleander OPC on 6/19 , but didn't get the order until July something. Remember, I email looking for it?

Next order was 5 bottles of liquid Oleander with 1 free bottle of capsules. Total 6 bottles ($300.00) ordered on 7/23. I have 1 bottle left.

I started out with breast cancer and since May it has spred to my lungs and lymps. I refused the chemo and radiation. And yes I do take lots of supplements. Do you think Graviola could be canceling out the oleander? Janet Duesler

 

 

-

Marc Swanepoel - PhD

oleander soup

Tuesday, October 14, 2008 5:15 PM

Re: Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?

 

 

 

The person Duke is referring to ordered one bottle of liquid from me which arrived at her address on July 5. She ordered another 5 bottles from me towards the end of July which probably arrived at her address by August 5. This means she used 1 bottle during July and, if she has used up the other 5 bottles sent to her, then she has been using roughly 30ml per day for the remainder of the period of slightly more than 2 months. If, as Duke reports, she has been very ill for a long time, and if her cancer was very advanced to begin with, then 2 - 3 months will not produce miracles. At best it will initially slow down the progression of the tumors and then, provided she does a few other important things like proper diet, etc, it should gradually get the cancer under control. One should always remember that cancer is a SYMPTOM of an underlying condition in the body, mostly caused by lifestyle situations like diet

an stress. There are no miracle cures that will work unless one addresses the underlying problem that caused the cancer symptom in the first place. Some patients with relatively advanced cancers have gone into complete remission with NO sign of cancer after using the S/OPC for a number of months ONLY to have it return after 2 or more years (after stopping to take the S/OPC) because they did not address the underlying cause.

 

The moral of this is that one has to treat the cancer holistically by looking at all the circumstances that could have led to it in the first place and which may STILL be preventing any progress towards health. One's mental attitude in all this is extremely important.

 

It will also be instructive to know if the tumors have grown in size or number, were they there before, have the growth slowed down, did she have any chemo treatment before using other modalities. And, most importantly, is she not overloading her system wit too many different supplements that may eventually cancel each other's effectiveness.

 

Marc Swanepoel

 

 

-

Duke Stone

oleander group ; Duke Stone

Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:04 PM

Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is a email to my personal address from a person that I had put in contact with Marc. She does not have the abblilithy to interact with the grouup.

 

She is very ill and has been for along time. We had met last yesr at a clinic in Acuna Maexio opperated by Dr. Charles Rogers . Of the group of thirty of so there are only 4 of us let We are all in a state of decline.

 

See her message here.Duke,

I finally went to the doctor's and had a chest x-ray, it showed tumors in both lungs. I can hardly believe it because I have gone thru 6 bottles of oleander since July. But, this is what is going on. The x-ray's show pneumonia and I have been taking CS, I have a fever, can't breathe well and have pain from tumors and I am wheezing. I also have been using MMS 3x's/day 7drops internally and I did the OCC. Oh, I have sent for that herb Jim Humble mentions from the lady in Texas. Got any other suggestions? Thanks for all your input, Janet

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Duke Stone ----- Dallas, Texas

info (AT) DukeStone (DOT) Biz

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Jonathan.

I have looked at your site. Very nice!

The ATP issue is still being debated and I am busy studying it myself. Dr Heinrich Kremer's theory about the double genome of human cells and the implication of this for ATP metabolism (and the effect of the theory on fighting cancer as well as all degenerative diseases), has put a bit of a spanner in my own thinking. As Dr Kremer says, 'not all ATP is equal' and the difference between oxidative ATP production in the mitochondria and the ATP production through glycolysis in the case of cancer needs a lot of additional research. His theory ties up nicely with Otto Warburg's findings and Andreas Moritz's contention that cancer is not a disease but a symptom. It also underpins the experience of many naturopaths that plant-based treatments of disease symptoms have a much better chance of reversing the underlying cause at mitochondrial level than synthetic pharmaceutical drugs. Oleander and the Sutherlandia OPC may have therapeutic ATP interactions at the so-called 'photon-switch' mitochondrial level that we do not understand yet.

 

If you Google Dr Kremer's name, you can read about his theories.

 

Marc Swanepoel

 

 

-

jonathan chamberlain

oleander soup

Wednesday, October 15, 2008 11:11 AM

Re: Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi MarcI think it would be really helpful - to me as much as anyone else - if we could have a little discussion on ATP inhibition and ATP promotion. Co-enzyme Q10, as I understand it, promotes ATP (which should make it contra-indicated for cancer cells - and yet it appears to be highly effective in constraining cancer ( in relation to breast cancer at least according to research). What is an ATP promotion strategy seeking to accomplish and what is an ATP strategy seeking to accomplish - and which herbs, supplements have a significant effect?Jonathan

Jonathan Chamberlain

www.fightingcancer.com--- On Wed, 10/15/08, Marc Swanepoel - PhD <marcswan (AT) global (DOT) co.za> wrote:

Marc Swanepoel - PhD <marcswan (AT) global (DOT) co.za>Re: Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?oleander soup Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 9:19 AM

 

 

 

Hi Janet,

I was really sorry to hear about your non-progress. You are right about the initial 2 bottles. As far as Graviola is concerned, it is an ATP-inhibitor. T

[Guest guest]

Hi MarcDamn! I was hoping you could clarify the issue without me having to do any serious reading!JonathanJonathan Chamberlain www.fightingcancer.com--- On Thu, 10/16/08, Marc Swanepoel - PhD <marcswan wrote:Marc Swanepoel - PhD <marcswanRe: Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?oleander soup Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 4:02 PM

 

 

Hi Jonathan.

I have looked at your site. Very nice!

The ATP issue is still being debated and I am busy studying it myself. Dr Heinrich Kremer's theory about the double genome of human cells and the implication of this for ATP metabolism (and the effect of the theory on fighting cancer as well as all degenerative diseases), has put a bit of a spanner in my own thinking. As Dr Kremer says, 'not all ATP is equal' and the difference between oxidative ATP production in the mitochondria and the ATP production through glycolysis in the case of cancer needs a lot of additional research. His theory ties up nicely with Otto Warburg's findings and Andreas Moritz's contention that cancer is not a disease but a symptom. It also underpins the experience of many naturopaths that plant-based treatments of disease symptoms have a much better chance of reversing the underlying cause at mitochondrial level than synthetic pharmaceutical drugs. Oleander and the Sutherlandia OPC may have therapeutic ATP interactions at the so-called 'photon-switch' mitochondrial level that we do not understand yet.

 

If you Google Dr Kremer's name, you can read about his theories.

 

Marc Swanepoel

 

 

-

jonathan chamberlain

oleander soup

Wednesday, October 15, 2008 11:11 AM

Re: Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi MarcI think it would be really helpful - to me as much as anyone else - if we could have a little discussion on ATP inhibition and ATP promotion. Co-enzyme Q10, as I understand it, promotes ATP (which should make it contra-indicated for cancer cells - and yet it appears to be highly effective in constraining cancer ( in relation to breast cancer at least according to research). What is an ATP promotion strategy seeking to accomplish and what is an ATP strategy seeking to accomplish - and which herbs, supplements have a significant effect?Jonathan

Jonathan Chamberlain

www.fightingcancer. com--- On Wed, 10/15/08, Marc Swanepoel - PhD <marcswan (AT) global (DOT) co.za> wrote:

Marc Swanepoel - PhD <marcswan (AT) global (DOT) co.za>Re: Six bottles of pills --- No results yet?oleander soupWednesday, October 15, 2008, 9:19 AM

 

 

 

Hi Janet,

I was really sorry to hear about your non-progress. You are right about the initial 2 bottles. As far as Graviola is concerned, it is an ATP-inhibitor. T