Guest guest Posted August 25, 2000 Report Share Posted August 25, 2000 Hi Group, I have been lurking on this list for a while. I find it very informative. I took TCM and acupressure about a year ago. Recently I have come across a person who is sleep walking. Can anyone tell me what syndrome is indicated by sleep walking? Thanks, Heather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2000 Report Share Posted August 25, 2000 Hello I suspect that sleep walking can come from a variety of areas. However I had a case where the person was a sleep walker and it indicated Shen Disturbance. Here was the treatment and it appeared to work. Heart 7 (Shenman-spirt gate), Pericardium 6, Triple Burner 5, Liver 3, Kidney 3. Appears to decrease the stress, move the qi, calm the spirit and relax the person so they can rest. Usually with such things the person is also agitated, or angry or both and easily flies of the handle. Hello Victoria, thanks for keeping the group moving along. Shane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2000 Report Share Posted August 25, 2000 Victoria The Shenman point in the ear is being used with ADHD and ADD kids as an alternative to Ritalin. A pellet (round ball) or seed is placed on the point and attached with an adhesive strip similar to a band-aid to hold it in place. IT WORKS, it settles those little buggers down within the hour. I have used it on my 5 year old when we are doing something that stimulates him beyond all realms of calmness. The daycare called me about it and how it works and they have shared it with other parents. Great alternative to the drugs. Heart 7 I use a lot with people in Corporate America because they are so often disturbed by the pressure of day to day goings on. Shane PS: I also read something that states P6 (pericardium) is the trump card for any treatment. It strengthens the treatment. So I use it a lot. One of my favorite points. Victoria, I just received a copy of the Worsley Book yesterday which I managed to purchase used but in excellent shape for $38.00 (a $125.00 book, I was pleased). How do you feel about his work. Actually anyone that has feedback would be appreciated. I like the book and the pictures are great but he uses numbers to identify the meridians and not the name which I find confusing. Any feedback??????????????????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2000 Report Share Posted August 25, 2000 >I suspect that sleep walking can come from a variety of areas. However I >had a case where the person was a sleep walker and it indicated Shen >Disturbance. Here was the treatment and it appeared to work. Heart 7 >(Shenman-spirt gate), Pericardium 6, Triple Burner 5, Liver 3, Kidney 3. >Appears to decrease the stress, move the qi, calm the spirit and relax the >person so they can rest. Usually with such things the person is also >agitated, or angry or both and easily flies of the handle. For those of you planning to get more into acupuncture/ acupressure and start locating and memorizing points, these are good ones to start with. They are common points that get used in a lot of different conditions. For example, Pericardium 6 is the well-known anti-nausea point. This particular combination of points is good for some cases of sleepwalking. If memory serves, many of these points also get used in treating some cases of ADD and ADHD (Attention Deficiet Hyperactivity Disorder). Shane did a previous post on this which should be in the archive. Thanks, Shane. BTW, I'll be doing a separate post explaining what Shen is for readers new to TCM. There's currently a discussion on Shen disorders over on discusschineseherbs. One of the things I learned is that Shen disturbances are very common following natural disasters like earthquakes. Natural disasters are not the only possible causes of Shen disorders, but if you're a TCM healer who lives in an area where a natural disaster takes place, expect to see a lot of clients for a while with Shen disorders. Victoria ______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2000 Report Share Posted August 26, 2000 << Numbers like LI4 versus names like go koku, meeting mountains, he gu, union valley, hu kou, tiger's mouth, he gu, uniting bones, han kou or holding mouth. >> No he use Roman numerals and then the point number. Like the Heart Meridian is one and then it moves into the point numbers. So you would have to learn his number for each meridian and then move forward, instead of the GB1 etc.. How does it compare to those of his students? I do not know who is students are therefore I cannot answer this questions. But the pictures and explanations seem very user friendly. Shane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2000 Report Share Posted August 26, 2000 Sleepwalking a shen adventure? You bet! I had an upstairs tenant that did that. If it didn't have such a tragic ending I'd have enough material to base a career as a standup comedian just with what he put us through. We didn't know he sleepwalked until (I'd grown up around people who drank a lot of alchohol and I didn't realize his behavior was so strange) 6 weeks before his wife called him from her sister's place 20 minutes away to let him know she'd called the paramedics and was going to the hospital. Not only did he not even call the hospital to see how she was doing (which is far short of the very least he could have done in my book) but when the police came over 7 hours later to tell him his wife died he managed to get into an argument with the chaplain who had tagged along to comfort him because the guy wasn't from his religion. and the tenant had a MA in linguistics. :-/ Some day I'll calm down a write a book on the experience. <she said realizing her Spleen needs adjustment> <snip> > I just received a copy of the Worsley Book yesterday > which I managed to purchase used but in Wow, I feel so _duh_. It never occurred to me he'd have one and why wouldn't he. How does it compare to those of his students? <snip> > but he uses numbers to identify the meridians and not the > name which I find confusing. Numbers like LI4 versus names like go koku, meeting mountains, he gu, union valley, hu kou, tiger's mouth, he gu, uniting bones, han kou or holding mouth. ;-) Or does he assign a whole new numeric system like those Jin Shin Do people? When a friend told me she was going to sit for the NCCAOM my first question was if she had to learn the point names in Chinese in addition to Japanese (we practice shiatsu) or if she could slide by with the numbers. Blessed Be, Penel who, when she teaches yoga, sticks to Sanskrit names because they seem the most consistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2000 Report Share Posted August 27, 2000 >Not only did he not even call the hospital to see how she was doing >(which is far short of the very least he could have done in my book) >but when the police came over 7 hours later to tell him his wife died he >managed to get into an argument with the chaplain who had tagged along >to comfort him because the guy wasn't from his religion. Thanks for pointing out one of the possible manifestations of Shen problems - some people with Shen problems lack the ability to love. It's not always clear if they lack the ability to love because of Shen problems or if they have Shen problems because they lack the ability to love. (Like so many things having to do with emotions and physical health in TCM, it's a two-way street.) Imbalances in the Pericardium also can result in this problem as can Heart imbalances. Another term for the Pericardium is Circulation-Sex, and it can have a direct influence on physical-emotional-spiritual unity. Imbalances in the Pericardium can result in a person who can't unify emotional and physical sexuality. A person with Pericardium imbalances may be capable of loving but incapable of expressing this love sexually. Or, other Pericardium imbalances may result in a person who can perfomr sexually but is incapable of feeling love. The Pericardium also is called the Heart Protector, and one of the things it does is to protect the Shen in the Heart from other emotions that would weaken it. > > but he uses numbers to identify the meridians and not the > > name which I find confusing. I'm not familiar with this book. I prefer the ones that use an abbreviation for the meridian followed by the point number and also include a translation of the Chinese name. I personally find those easier to follow and remember. Victoria ______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2000 Report Share Posted August 27, 2000 Andrew, I'm wondering how the heart is associated with Shen anyway. How did spirit get down in the heart. This is like placing romance with the heart, which is a reach if you think about it. I'm learning, like you, currently reading the first volume of Wicke's textbook. Houston ______________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2000 Report Share Posted August 28, 2000 > The Pericardium also is called the Heart Protector, and one of the things it > does is to protect the Shen in the Heart from other emotions that would > weaken it. intriguing and enlightening [as usual!]. i've read about this, with more fascination than comprehension. 1. Can we distinguish between emotional states affecting the Per, and those where they have penetrated to the Heart? is it just a case of serverity? 2. Can we differentiate between the recommended Heart/Spirit herbs, such as Biota, Ganoderma, Zizyphus or do they pretty much the same emotional syndromes? 3. is there any connection between these Shen herbs and St John's Wort? 4. Do you think herbs which are recommended for the physical heart in western herbal terms - hawthorn, Motherwort, - can help the Shen? thanks! i've pondered over these questions for a while and wouldn't have a clue really. Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2000 Report Share Posted August 28, 2000 > I'm wondering how the heart is associated with Shen anyway. How did > spirit get down in the heart. This is like placing romance with the > heart, which is a reach if you think about it. there seems to be some evidence which justifies the time-homoured connection as being more than just metaphorical. For example, most heart attack victims do not have the classic heart risk factors any more then the general population; what they do have is weakened emotional bonding. I read this in a book called the Heart's Knowledge or something like that, it was by a cardiologist. Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2000 Report Share Posted August 28, 2000 I have difficulty is taking any of this out of the head and relegating it to the heart. However, the fingers, for instance, have a mind of their own. Tests with typists have proven this. It may be a DNA issue with a part of the whole in every part. Houston On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:06:02 +0300 " Phosphor " <phosphor writes: > >> I'm wondering how the heart is associated with Shen anyway. How >did >> spirit get down in the heart. This is like placing romance with >the >> heart, which is a reach if you think about it. > >there seems to be some evidence which justifies the time-homoured >connection >as being more than just metaphorical. For example, most heart attack >victims >do not have the classic heart risk factors any more then the general >population; what they do have is weakened emotional bonding. >I read this in a book called the Heart's Knowledge or something like >that, >it was by a cardiologist. > >Andrew > > >-------------------------- eGroups Sponsor > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > >Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > ______________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2000 Report Share Posted August 28, 2000 Houston- > I have difficulty is taking any of this out of the head > and relegating it to the heart. A comment I've heard made in the Asian community occasionally is that someone " has a good heart " . When I first heard it I thought it was a reference to their ability to be loving. Perhaps, but in light that Asian culture understands thought to come from the Heart, it is more of a judgment of one's Heart's ability to interpret; that all exists and one's perception of what that existence consists of depends on the ability of the Heart to interpret (which colours one's ability to think). The mind is sometimes called in TCM a sea of marrow? Kidney governs Bones and Bone Marrow. and if Heart and Kidney have impaired communication with each other ... or am I far off on this? Penel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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