Guest guest Posted February 2, 2002 Report Share Posted February 2, 2002 Hello All I had a question if someone could say about the treatment of lymph edema as is found in post operative conditions? Yours is the Tao Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted February 2, 2002 Report Share Posted February 2, 2002 >> Hello All I had a question if someone could say about the treatment of lymph edema as is found in post operative conditions?<<< I can only say that needling the effected limb is considered a big no-no as the lack of lymph vessles there can give rise to a serious infection, even with clean needling technique. The only other work I've done with this sort of condition is the use of diuretic herbs to drain the dampness. Thought the one patient I worked with didn't respond. I don't know if the treatment was to blame, though. She was a very sick puppy. Personally, I think that the best treatment for this would be some sort of lymph drainage massage with duretics, perhaps with acupuncture anywhere but on the effected limb. I recently heard that San Jiao 6 was good for this, for systemic edema, rather than Stomach 40 which was taught to me, this past week as a point more for dampness specfically effecting the Stomach. Al Stone L.Ac. <AlStone http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2002 Report Share Posted February 3, 2002 >I had a question if someone could say about the treatment of lymph edema >as is found in post >operative conditions?<<< > >Personally, I think that the best treatment for this would be some sort >of lymph drainage massage with duretics, perhaps with acupuncture >anywhere but on the effected limb. > >I recently heard that San Jiao 6 was good for this, for systemic edema, >rather than Stomach 40 which was taught to me, this past week as a point >more for dampness specfically effecting the Stomach. I always want to know why something is happening and if it can be prevented. Is the edema coming from the trauma of the surgery and the trauma causing Blood Stagnation and Qi Stagnation as well as the effect of tissue, blood vessels, and lymph nodes being sliced through? Or, is something else also contributing to the edema? Does anyone on the list know the TCM effects of various anesthesias used in surgery? The reason I'm raising this issue is that pharmaceutical drugs have TCM effects just like herbs and foods do. For example, the thermal energy of antibiotics is cooling. We don't always know the TCM effects of drugs, and I don't know how much work is being done in the world to figure them out. But the TCM effects of anesthesias is something which someone somewhere needs to look at. In particular any effects on the direction of Qi flow and certain Organs. I'm thinking in particular of the Lungs and the Kidneys. For those new to TCM, the Lungs, the Kidneys, and the San Jiao (aka Triple Heater, aka Triple Burner, aka Triple Warmer) play some key roles in Fluid physiology in the body. The Small Intestine, Large Intestine, and Bladder also are involved in TCM Fluid physiology. Disturbances in in of these can lead to Fluid pathology. Disturbances in the interactions between Qi, Blood, and Fluids also can trigger edema. But getting back to the wondering about the TCM effects of anesthesias, does anyone know the effects of various anesthesias on the Lungs, Spleen, and Kidneys? Lung Qi is supposed to flow downward. When something happens to interfere with this descending function of Lung Qi, Fluids don't get carried to the Bladder. They spread out through the skin. Another symptom of Lung Qi failing to descend can be a tickle in the throat and slight cough (though this most often is seen in cases of invasion by Exterior pathogens). Qi transports and transforms Fluids. If the Spleen is weakened and failing to play its critical role in Qi production, edema can result. Does anesthesias affect the Kidneys, in particular Kidney Yang? The warmth of Yang is needed in order for Fluids to be transported and transformed. In addition, if the Kidneys are weak, Yuan Qi may be Deficient. Yuan Qi circulates through the San Jiao and plays a vital role in Fluid physiology. (I'll be going into this in more detail in future posts. The important things for the readers who are new to TCM to remember at this point is that Lung Qi failing to descend properly can cause edema.) I have a personal reason for wondering about the TCM effects of various anesthesias. A number of PWCs (People With CFIDS) developed CFIDS (Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome) following surgery. It's now known that it wasn't the trauma of the surgery that played a big role in triggering the CFIDS, but the anesthesia. It also is known that some anesthesias are worse than others - like the histamine-releasing anesthesias. The CFIDS Association of America has a list of high risk anesthesias and a list of those that are safer for PWCs and those who might develop CFIDS to use. Anyway, because of personal experience, I wonder about what various anesthesias do from a TCM standpoint. Victoria _______________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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