Five phase confusion

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I have seen the five phase theory translated in two ways. They both

seem to hinge on the Earth phase, but in different ways. One has the

Earth phase set in the center, and the other phases around the

outside, interacting with it. In the other, Earth has no more

significance than the other elements, and is placed along the more

familiar Creation and Control cycle. (Star within a circle diagram)

 

At first this seemed unimportant, however the two different views

utilize the phases in different ways. For instance, in the

creation/control cycle, earth is considered the season of Late

Summer. In the compass-style " tonification cycle " Earth is considered

the end portion of <i>all</i> seasons. This starts to make a

difference when you further subdivide.

 

How I came across this dillema was trying to understand the

difference between the ten stems and twelve branches, which basically

are the two different theories of five phases divided into yin and

yang aspects. The ten stems divide out into yin wood, yang wood, yin

fire, yang fire, yin earth, yang earth, yin metal, yang metal, and

yin water and yang water.

 

However, because of the different view of the Earth phase, the twelve

branches divide out with <i>four</i> earth phases, one for each

season. Two yin earths (Wei and Chou) and two yang earths (Chen and

Xu).

 

 

This seems like an important split, so I am trying to distinguish

between the significance and reality of the two different Five Phase

theories. All I have been able to find was a reference that stated:

 

<b> " the former </b>[the cross-style cycle] <b>describes the

macrocosm, and the latter </b>[the circle/star cycle]<b> describes

functional relationships in the microcosm of the human person. " </b>

 

Can anyone help my understanding with this?

 

Mbanu

[Guest guest]

>I have seen the five phase theory translated in two ways. They both

>seem to hinge on the Earth phase, but in different ways. One has the

>Earth phase set in the center, and the other phases around the

>outside, interacting with it.

 

I believe you're refering to the Feng Shui Ba Gua (8-sided figure) with

earth in the middle. The 8 directions are northwest, north, northeast, east,

southeast, south, southwest, and west with earth in the middle.

 

Each of the directions also corresponds to a trigram. A trigram is composed

of 3 lines - some combination of broken and/or solid lines. Two trigrams

together make one of the 64 hexagrams of the I Ching.

 

>In the other, Earth has no more

>significance than the other elements, and is placed along the more

>familiar Creation and Control cycle. (Star within a circle diagram)

 

Knowledge of this cycle is used to correct imbalances in houses as well as

people. Say for example that Water is too strong and over-controlling Fire

which is too weak. Tonify Wood which will strenghten Fire at the same time

as it diminishes Water. The principle is the same if it's being used in

compass school Feng Shui to balance out the energy of a house or in 5

Element TCM to balance out a person.

 

>At first this seemed unimportant, however the two different views

>utilize the phases in different ways. For instance, in the

>creation/control cycle, earth is considered the season of Late

>Summer. In the compass-style " tonification cycle " Earth is considered

>the end portion of <i>all</i> seasons. This starts to make a

>difference when you further subdivide.

 

" Notice that the earth phase separates each of the other phase elements.

This is because the qi represented by fire, metal, water, and wood returns

to earth before transforming into another phase. " (The Complete Idiot's

Guide to Feng Shui, 2nd. ed., Elizabeth Moran, Joseph Yu, and Val

Biktashev, p. 269.)

 

In compass school Feng Shui, the direction that a house sits and faces will

make a difference in how different people will be affected by the house. For

example, people who belong to the East Group (based on the year of birth and

the gender) can become ill and face other problems if living in a West group

home if proper corrections are not taken. Likewise for West Group people in

an East Group home. (I'm simplifying the Feng Shui info a lot as sort of a

crash course for readers interested in it.)

 

I don't know how much there is to Feng Shui but the direction that a person

sleeps and faces while awake can definitely make a difference in how well

the person feels. This idea is not restricted just to the Chinese but also

is found in the healing traditions of many North American Indian tribes.

 

Sometimes moving the bed to where the headboard sits in a different

direction can make a difference between a good night's sleep and one plagued

by frequent wakings and bad dreams. Sometimes moving the direction that a

desk faces can make the difference between being able to concentrate while

also feeling mellow and energetic at work and feeling scattered and

de-enegized.

 

As weird as this sounds, it does happen. I invite readers to check it out

for themselves. Try sitting in each of the major compass positions (east,

south, west, and north) and see if you feel any different with your back to

different dirrections. Some people won't feel anything, but some will. Then

try experimenting with the 8 directions, also including NW, NE, SW, and SE.

 

Very often healing is not a " magic bullet " but a lot of little things that

add up over time.

 

Victoria

 

 

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[Guest guest]

In fact there is not contradiction, when you see the

diagram with earth in the center means tnat earth whic

is site for adquired essence has to feed the others

like earth which keep inside all the nutrients needed

for life, that is one reason.

During the year bettween every season there is

transition in which there is not definition for about

18 days that why it is said that this period belong to

earth too.

The other diagrama is concerning the to cicles Shen

and Ko isit is another to look at this .

ten stems and 12 branches is a system older tnan five

elements the arrangemente of yin an yang of every

element explain the relationship of yin and Yang laws

for example

 

yin of water nurrish yin of wood and this one the fire

yin this is the cicle Shen

but

Yin of water controls yang of fire and this one

control

yin of metal that is cicle Ko or ke.

According to yin yang theory

yin decrease when yang grow and viceversa

yin and yang intertransform eachother

So what you see is the integration of yin-yang theory

with the stems and branches system.

 

 

 

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