Guest guest Posted November 16, 2002 Report Share Posted November 16, 2002 Well call me obsessive - I've been looking up some of the herbs in the two liver formulas I have used on the horse (below), trying to compare the TCM properties. Anyone have any further info on any of these? I need a good materi medica! I am trying to see if I can get any clues from why he reacted so badly to both the Bu Zhong AND the Chai Hu Qing Gan Tang, and so well to the Ayurvedic . My herbalist told me the Bu Zhong could be heating, too yang, but the second is supposed to clear heat?? Anyone have any contra-indications for Chai Hu Qing Gan tang listed anywhere? Jackie (giving herself tense dreams about 'making order out of chaos') AYURVEDIC 1 Eclipta alba - Han Lian Cao Tonifies Liver and Kidney Yin Clears Deficiency Heat, Cools the Blood and Stops Bleeding 2 Terminalia Chebula - He Zi , Ke Zi? bitter, sour, astringent, warm astringe the intestines and stop diarrhea. 3 Terminalia Arjuna, 4 Ichnocarpus Frutescens 5 Aphanamixis Rohituka 6 Andrographis Paniculata - Chuan Xin Lian Bitter, cold clear heat and toxins, cool blood, reduce swelling, relieve inflammation *Insulin resistance! 7 Boerhaavia Diffusa The alkaloid fraction of the root of Boerhaavia diffusa has a dramatic effect in buffering against elevation of plasma cortisol levels under stressful conditions. Subsequent to this buffering of cortisol, Boerhaavia alkaloids also prevent a drop in immune system performance. Indicating a bi-directional adaptogenic activity, these same plant alkaloids also act to reverse the depletion of adrenal cortisol associated with adrenal exhaustion. Since blood type A (and B) is most impacted by the tendency to over produce cortisol, this herb is tailor made for these blood types. 8 Phyllanthus Niruri, 9 Fumaria Parviflora 10 Azadirachta Indica -Yin du ku lian 11 Sida Cordifolia - Ma Huang Contraindicated in yin deficiency or adrenal weakness - adrenal stimulant 12 Swertia chirata, 13 Tephrosia Purpurea 14 Canscora Decussata CHINESE - Chai Hu Qing Gan Tang - Clears heat 1 Chai Hu 4.5 Bupleurum Cool, spicy, bitter Clears heat, regulates liver qi, raises the yang. For some, especially those with a tendency to yin deficiency, it can bring up unwarranted feelings of anger 2 Shen Di Huang 4.5 Rehmannia Heat caused by lack of fluids (yin deficiency), fire rising 3 Dang Gui 6 Tangkuei - Angelica sinensis Warm; bitter, sweet, slightly pungent; attributive to liver and spleen, tonic Contra yin deficiency, 4 Chi Shao 4.5 Red Peony - Radix Paeoniae Rubra Rec Kidney yin deficiency, circulate blood, Lessens perspiration, purifies yin, night sweats, fever 5 Chuan Xiong 3 Lingusticum Moves blood 6 Lian Qiao 6 Forsythia Properties: bitter in flavour, slightly cold in property, acting on the lung, heart and gallbladder channels. Effects: clearing away heat, detoxicating, subduing swelling and dissolving lumps. 7 Niu Bang Zi 4.5 Arctium lappa - Burdock root Pungent and cold All " wind-heat " ailments 9 Huang Qin 3 Scutellariae baicalensis - chinese skullcap Properties: bitter in flavour, cold in property, acting on the lung, gallbladder, stomach and large intestine channels. Effects: clearing away heat and dampness, purging fire, detoxicating, stopping bleeding, and preventing miscarriage. 9 Tian Hua Fen 3 Trichosanthes kirilowii - Tricosanthus root sweet in flavor and cold in nature good at promoting production of body fluids, It clears evil Phlegm and moistens Dryness of the Lung 10 Fang Fen 3 Ledebouriellae divaricatae - siler divaricatum 11 Gan Cao 3 Licorice Properties: sweet in flavour, neutral in property, acting on the heart, lung, spleen and stomach channels. Effects: Invigorating the spleen, replenishing qi, eliminating phlegm, arresting cough, clearing away heat and toxins, relieving spasm and pain, and moderating the properties of other herbs. 12 Zhi Zi 4.5 Gardenia - Gardeniae jasminoidis Properties: bitter in flavour, cold in property, acting on the heart, lung, stomach and sanjiao channels Effects: purging fire, relieving dysphoria, clearing away heat, promoting diuresis, removing heat from the blood and stopping bleeding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2002 Report Share Posted November 16, 2002 Hey, Jackie. What is it that told you " he reactred so badly " ? What was the reaction? That would help us know what the problem was. -al. jackie wrote: > > Well call me obsessive - I've been looking up some of the herbs in the two > liver formulas I have used on the horse (below), trying to compare the TCM > properties. Anyone have any further info on any of these? I need a good > materi medica! > > I am trying to see if I can get any clues from why he reacted so badly to > both the Bu Zhong AND the Chai Hu Qing Gan Tang, and so well to the > Ayurvedic . My herbalist told me the Bu Zhong could be heating, too yang, > but the second is supposed to clear heat?? Anyone have any > contra-indications for Chai Hu Qing Gan tang listed anywhere? > > Jackie (giving herself tense dreams about 'making order out of chaos') > > AYURVEDIC > 1 Eclipta alba - Han Lian Cao > Tonifies Liver and Kidney Yin > Clears Deficiency Heat, Cools the Blood and Stops Bleeding > 2 Terminalia Chebula - He Zi , Ke Zi? > bitter, sour, astringent, warm > astringe the intestines and stop diarrhea. > 3 Terminalia Arjuna, > 4 Ichnocarpus Frutescens > 5 Aphanamixis Rohituka > 6 Andrographis Paniculata - Chuan Xin Lian > Bitter, cold > clear heat and toxins, cool blood, reduce swelling, relieve inflammation > *Insulin resistance! > 7 Boerhaavia Diffusa > The alkaloid fraction of the root of Boerhaavia diffusa has a dramatic > effect in buffering against elevation of plasma cortisol levels under > stressful conditions. Subsequent to this buffering of cortisol, Boerhaavia > alkaloids also prevent a drop in immune system performance. Indicating a > bi-directional adaptogenic activity, these same plant alkaloids also act to > reverse the depletion of adrenal cortisol associated with adrenal > exhaustion. Since blood type A (and B) is most impacted by the tendency to > over produce cortisol, this herb is tailor made for these blood types. > 8 Phyllanthus Niruri, > 9 Fumaria Parviflora > 10 Azadirachta Indica -Yin du ku lian > 11 Sida Cordifolia - Ma Huang > Contraindicated in yin deficiency or adrenal weakness - adrenal stimulant > 12 Swertia chirata, > 13 Tephrosia Purpurea > 14 Canscora Decussata > > CHINESE - Chai Hu Qing Gan Tang - Clears heat > 1 Chai Hu 4.5 Bupleurum > Cool, spicy, bitter > Clears heat, regulates liver qi, raises the yang. For some, especially those > with a tendency to yin deficiency, it can bring up unwarranted feelings of > anger > 2 Shen Di Huang 4.5 Rehmannia > Heat caused by lack of fluids (yin deficiency), fire rising > 3 Dang Gui 6 Tangkuei - Angelica sinensis > Warm; bitter, sweet, slightly pungent; attributive to liver and spleen, > tonic > Contra yin deficiency, > 4 Chi Shao 4.5 Red Peony - Radix Paeoniae Rubra > Rec Kidney yin deficiency, circulate blood, Lessens perspiration, purifies > yin, night sweats, fever > 5 Chuan Xiong 3 Lingusticum > Moves blood > 6 Lian Qiao 6 Forsythia > Properties: bitter in flavour, slightly cold in property, acting on the > lung, heart and gallbladder channels. > Effects: clearing away heat, detoxicating, subduing swelling and dissolving > lumps. > 7 Niu Bang Zi 4.5 Arctium lappa - Burdock root > Pungent and cold > All " wind-heat " ailments > 9 Huang Qin 3 Scutellariae baicalensis - chinese skullcap > Properties: bitter in flavour, cold in property, acting on the lung, > gallbladder, stomach and large intestine channels. > Effects: clearing away heat and dampness, purging fire, detoxicating, > stopping bleeding, and preventing miscarriage. > 9 Tian Hua Fen 3 Trichosanthes kirilowii - Tricosanthus root > sweet in flavor and cold in nature > good at promoting production of body fluids, It clears evil Phlegm and > moistens Dryness of the Lung > 10 Fang Fen 3 Ledebouriellae divaricatae - siler divaricatum > 11 Gan Cao 3 Licorice > Properties: sweet in flavour, neutral in property, acting on the heart, > lung, spleen and stomach channels. > Effects: Invigorating the spleen, replenishing qi, eliminating phlegm, > arresting cough, clearing away heat and toxins, relieving spasm and pain, > and moderating the properties of other herbs. > 12 Zhi Zi 4.5 Gardenia - Gardeniae jasminoidis > Properties: bitter in flavour, cold in property, acting on the heart, lung, > stomach and sanjiao channels > Effects: purging fire, relieving dysphoria, clearing away heat, promoting > diuresis, removing heat from the blood and stopping bleeding. > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2002 Report Share Posted November 17, 2002 > Hey, Jackie. > > What is it that told you " he reactred so badly " ? What was the reaction? > That would help us know what the problem was. .. Well I separated the two - the Bu Zhong made him really hyper-energetic, but much more fearful and jumpy so that when he did meet a real fright, he was starting to panic. With a horse that means rear, buck, run blindly - that kind of thing, I nearly lost him out hacking (riding another and leading him), he was only just controllable (and he's 640kg!). The Chai Hu made him hyper, hyper-irritable and aggressive, and I think made his stomach acid, so I started seeing abnormal appetite retuning, tearing into food like a fasted dog almost. Signs I haven't seen for a year since he had a course of antacids. I also think it exacerbated his laminitis - which is an inflammatory/vaso-constrictive condition of the feet often associated with circulating toxins. At any rate, it got rapidly worse over the week he was on it, and rapidly better when it ceased. The thing that stunned me with both is that it was like turning a switch on and off - huge responses, both ways, overnight. And that was at 10g a day, but still pretty strong at 5g. The Ayurvedic tonic makes him calm and happier than I have seen him for a long time, more playful and wanting to be touched. It gave him lots of energy on a loading dose at first, but does not quite hold on a lower maintenance dose. That was 50ml tincture, sorry I don't know what strength, down to about 20ml. I'm trying 30g of the powdered whole herb version, but I don't know equivalence yet. Also started 10g of whole ground ashwaganda. He was on an ashwaganda extract when he did really well on the ayervedic tonic, but I didn't see any response to that alone in the first week, and didn't trust it was good stuff, so I went over to the real thing. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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