Guest guest Posted March 19, 2003 Report Share Posted March 19, 2003 > Chinese Traditional Medicine , harmonywushu@j... wrote: > > Hi! My name's Peter, I'm new to the group. I just thought I'd ask: I'm making some dit Da Jow for martial arts practice, and some of the recipes call for some particularly weird things: > > > > 1. Sheep's bile > > 2. Elephant ears > > 3. Eagle's talons > > 4. Brimstone > > > > Are there more reasonable, less illegal, safer things I could substitute for these items. Also, any clues about what these ingredients contribute might be useful. Thanks! >>> Peter: If you don't already have it, get the Blue Poppy translation of Shaolin Secret Formulas by the Monk deChan. It has many authentic internal and external formulas for martial art training. The following formula is an anesthetic attributed to Hua T'o. It makes an excellent liniment. If you can't get good toad secretion, you can just omit it. It was originally introduced and sold by the Oriental Herbs Co. in the early 80s when my teacher owned the company (the current version no longer has any herbs in it). I have make it over the last 20 years for use in my office, and found very few formulas its equal. Chinese Muscle Liniment Originally developed by Hua T'o, the famous Chinese physician of antiquity, this liniment is an authentic training formula, often used in Shaolin and Taoist monasteries for their rigorous martial art training. Muscle pain is caused by either a deficiency or excess of blood and energy in the effected area. According to Oriental medicine, once the energy flow is opened and balanced, discomfort is relieved and the body can recover. The herbs in this liniment have the combined function of dissolving blood and energy stagnation, and tonifying the deficiency in the applied area. This balancing is achieved through the redistribution of qi and fluids, clearing and opening the meridian channels and adds extra wei qi. This herbal formula has an energy balancing formula: first it heats up, then it cools. It helps connect energy separations, while sedating excessive yang energy. Apply liberally to the desired area. This is a perfect liniment for massage and warm-up. It can be used for aches, soreness, stiffness, spasms, bruising, and muscle strain. This liniment can be used for stretching out before exercising, running, or any hard physical exertion. As a general rule, it can be used for pain except from inflammation, obvious anatomical disorders, open wounds, or sores. Ingredients Piper nigrum 4 Aconite carmichaeli 5 Aconite chinense 5 Pinellia 5 Arisaema 5 Piper longum 10 Asarum 4 Bufo bufo gargarizans 4 Prunus mume 4 Rehmannia 4 In base of oils FOR EXTERNAL USE ONLY Keep out of eyes and mucus membranes. Wash hands after use. Keep out of the reach of children. This container for households without children. Jim Ramholz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 > Ju Hua, Hong Hua, Shen Jin Cao, Gan Cao, Lu Lu Tong, Huai Nui Xi, > Bai Zhi, He Shou Wu, Mu Xiang, Dang Gui, Camphor and Qi Ta > > Hope this helps, > > Michael Rich L.AC Could you give us the latin names of these? Bringing a list like this to a chinese herbalist can be problematic, as they don't all agree on the spellings, and pronounciation can be a tricky thing. Most all chinese herb guys I've dealt with can look up the latin names. Interesting that this contains He Shou Wu. I've never seen this one used externally, except in a formula to turn the hair dark, and there I believe it functioned as the dye. Cheers, J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 I am quite surprised that you prefere work with the latin name. Pin yin is the chinese official latin transcription. Most tcm practitioners in the world use it. - stuydaze Chinese Traditional Medicine Friday, March 21, 2003 12:20 AM [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Die Da Jiao ingredients > Ju Hua, Hong Hua, Shen Jin Cao, Gan Cao, Lu Lu Tong, Huai Nui Xi, > Bai Zhi, He Shou Wu, Mu Xiang, Dang Gui, Camphor and Qi Ta > > Hope this helps, > > Michael Rich L.AC Could you give us the latin names of these? Bringing a list like this to a chinese herbalist can be problematic, as they don't all agree on the spellings, and pronounciation can be a tricky thing. Most all chinese herb guys I've dealt with can look up the latin names. Interesting that this contains He Shou Wu. I've never seen this one used externally, except in a formula to turn the hair dark, and there I believe it functioned as the dye. Cheers, J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2003 Report Share Posted March 21, 2003 Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Sebastien Demortier " <sebanddem> wrote: > I am quite surprised that you prefere work with the latin name. Pin yin is the chinese official latin transcription. Most tcm practitioners in the world use it. I shop at the chinatown herbariums here in New York. They're owned by a broad mix of asian nationalities, and many of the older folks only seem to know particular dialects. Whenever I shop, I always make a written list with the chinese characters for an ingredient, if i can find them, and the latin. In one case, the shop used a different set of chinese characters for an ingredient, and having the latin name allowed them to look it up in a reference book. Another time, I was searching for ingredients for a sore throat potion containing kudzu root--Gegen, in pin yin. I handed my list to the old guy in the herb shop, who scratched his head, then turned to confer with another fellow behind the counter: " gegen? " " Gegen? " he suddenly turned back to me " What?! You want Cocaine?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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