Guest guest Posted March 28, 2003 Report Share Posted March 28, 2003 Hi folks, I have just come back after researching a couple of 'conventional' approaches to cancer treatment. One I wasn't terribly impressed with. The other looks promising. Thalidomide. It is used in the context of 'metronomic dosing' and has a lot in common with the TCM idea of taking appropriately measured small doses administered at Yin or Yang times for maximal effect and minimal morbidity. See www.doctorleibowitz.com However, I find the idea of most kinds of chemo unacceptable (albeit the stuff has a track record of killing cancers) because of the awful side effects. Even at small doses, thalidomide has a reputation for causing peripheral neuropathy. Therefore, I was thinking of something else to act as an anti-angiogenic agent at a tumour site. BINDWEED is an upcoming herbal although in its natural state it is toxic. The active agent has been extracted and is selling on several Internet mail order sites. The story of the chappie who 'rediscovered' bindweed is here www.greencanyon.com/products/p407756.htm What I am wondering is because bindweed was evidently well known to the natives of North America at least - the " shaman " referred to in the story at above link - is bindweed known in China ? Here are some questions: (1) is bindweed reckonised in the TCM Materia Medica and (2) if it is recognised what is it used for and (3) are there any contra-indications (4) what other herbs is it used with in formulae and (5) how is its toxicity neutralised ? (6) what side effects with (i) chronic or (ii) acute usage ? Cheers, Sammy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2003 Report Share Posted March 29, 2003 Chinese Traditional Medicine , <ga.bates@v...> wrote: > I have just come back after researching a couple of 'conventional' > approaches to cancer treatment. One I wasn't terribly impressed with. The other looks promising. >>> Sammy: Have you read Natural Compounds in Cancer Therapy by John C. Boik? It is well researched and highly regarded. Jim Ramholz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2003 Report Share Posted March 30, 2003 There are lots of good book out there - does the one you mention have any info about bindweed in it ? I am looking specifically for TCM information about bindweed ;-) If I wanted ro read " Natural Compounds in Cancer Therapy " I would have made my request more specific. Thanks anyway. I guess that winds it up. Sammy. James Ramholz [jramholz] 29 March 2003 15:04 Chinese Traditional Medicine [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: BINDWEED Convulvulus Arvensis Chinese Traditional Medicine , <ga.bates@v...> wrote: > I have just come back after researching a couple of 'conventional' > approaches to cancer treatment. One I wasn't terribly impressed with. The other looks promising. >>> Sammy: Have you read Natural Compounds in Cancer Therapy by John C. Boik? It is well researched and highly regarded. Jim Ramholz Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2003 Report Share Posted March 30, 2003 Someone I met said Pecan tree bark powder.? James Ramholz <jramholz wrote:Chinese Traditional Medicine , <ga.bates@v...> wrote: > I have just come back after researching a couple of 'conventional' > approaches to cancer treatment. One I wasn't terribly impressed with. The other looks promising. >>> Sammy: Have you read Natural Compounds in Cancer Therapy by John C. Boik? It is well researched and highly regarded. Jim Ramholz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2003 Report Share Posted March 31, 2003 OK I'll try again. I am researching anti-cancer herbs. I have about a 200 or so 'potentials' in my folder. Some are TCM some are not. Right now I am looking into BINDWEED. If the person who mentioned Natural Compounds in Cancer Therapy by John C. Boik has a page reference for BINDWEED I'd be most grateful. If not then I guess the book, like many other good books will just have to wait till I get round to the herbs it mentions. Why am I am looking for information Re: BINDWEED Convulvulus Arvensis ? Because of its supposed potent anti-angoiogenesis capability. It has been likened to thalidomide. I know there is no direct correlation betwen anti-angiogenesis in western medicine which is a very specific concept introduced by Dr. Judah Folkman a score or so years ago. But I thought I'd ask anyway. > Someone I met said Pecan tree bark powder. Is that anti-angiogenesis as well ? Next time I come across a pecan tree I'll scrape off a bit of bark when no-one is looking. How do I prepare it? ...... In the meantime, I'll sit out the summer here for another month or so, go out into the country, and 'harvest' as much BINDWEED as the boot of my car can carry. It literally grows everywhere. What I need to do is find out how to remove the toxins. That is why I asked the questions in my previous email. Sorry if I have confused anyone. If you have a specific reference for BINDWEED contributions gratefully received. Here are the same questions again for anyone with specific knowledge on BINDWEED: (1) is bindweed reckonised in the TCM Materia Medica and (2) if it is recognised what is it used for and (3) are there any contra-indications (4) what other herbs is it used with in formulae and (5) how is its toxicity neutralised ? (6) what side effects with (i) chronic or (ii) acute usage ? Cheers, Sammy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2003 Report Share Posted April 1, 2003 Hi- I looked in all my books and online but couldn't find anything- i did however come up with a link (below) that might be of better help. Good luck in your research efforts. ga.bates Alternative Cancer Clinics Outside of the United States .... BC - Dr. Martin Kowk, ND, MSAOM, RAC, uses traditional (TCM) Chinese herbal medicine ... Cell Therapy to reduce tumor size, C-statin from bindweed for angiogenesis ... www.cancure.org/directory_clinics_outside%20US.htm - 40k - Cached - Similar pages OK I'll try again. I am researching anti-cancer herbs. I have about a 200 or so 'potentials' in my folder. Some are TCM some are not. Right now I am looking into BINDWEED. If the person who mentioned Natural Compounds in Cancer Therapy by John C. Boik has a page reference for BINDWEED I'd be most grateful. If not then I guess the book, like many other good books will just have to wait till I get round to the herbs it mentions. Why am I am looking for information Re: BINDWEED Convulvulus Arvensis ? Because of its supposed potent anti-angoiogenesis capability. It has been likened to thalidomide. I know there is no direct correlation betwen anti-angiogenesis in western medicine which is a very specific concept introduced by Dr. Judah Folkman a score or so years ago. But I thought I'd ask anyway. > Someone I met said Pecan tree bark powder. Is that anti-angiogenesis as well ? Next time I come across a pecan tree I'll scrape off a bit of bark when no-one is looking. How do I prepare it? ...... In the meantime, I'll sit out the summer here for another month or so, go out into the country, and 'harvest' as much BINDWEED as the boot of my car can carry. It literally grows everywhere. What I need to do is find out how to remove the toxins. That is why I asked the questions in my previous email. Sorry if I have confused anyone. If you have a specific reference for BINDWEED contributions gratefully received. Here are the same questions again for anyone with specific knowledge on BINDWEED: (1) is bindweed reckonised in the TCM Materia Medica and (2) if it is recognised what is it used for and (3) are there any contra-indications (4) what other herbs is it used with in formulae and (5) how is its toxicity neutralised ? (6) what side effects with (i) chronic or (ii) acute usage ? Cheers, Sammy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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