Guest guest Posted August 3, 2003 Report Share Posted August 3, 2003 1: Zhongguo Zhong Xi Yi Jie He Za Zhi 1996 Sep;16(9):515- [Clinical observation on treatment of hyperinsulinemia and hyperandrogenism anovulatory patient with replenishing kidney-yin drugs] [Article in Chinese] Zhou LR, Yu J. The Obstetrics and Gynecology Hospital, Shanghai Medical University. In order to investigate the effect of Chinese herbal medicine for replenishing Kidney-Yin in treating hyperinsulinemia and hyperandrogenism anovulatory syndrome, 35 patients were treated with replenishing Kidney-Yin drugs for 3 months, basic body temperature, ultrasonic examination and blood levels of sex hormones were taken for monitoring the ovulation, and changes of serum insulin, blood sugar as well as oral glucose tolerence test were observed before and after treatment. Thirty-five patients showed high serum insulin and testosterone levels but normal dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) level. Twenty-nine percent of their luteinizing hormone/folliclestimulating hormone (LH/FSH) ratio were in normal range. Twenty four cases completed the regular treatment and 20 of them showed ovulation in the 43 menstrual cycles (59.7%). Seven of 17 (41.2%) infertile cases become pregnant within 6 months. After 3 months of treatment, blood sugar and insulin level significantly decreased but the latter was still slightly higher than normal level. Serum testosterone level decreased significantly and reached normal. Results suggested that replenishing Kidney-Yin Drugs could provide a good microcircumstance for ovarian follicular growth, and resulted in ovulation and pregnancy. The mechanism is remained to be further explored. PMID: 9772595 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] : Zhongguo Zhong Xi Yi Jie He Za Zhi 2002 Jan;22(1):33-6 Related Articles, Links [Exploration on essence of spleen-kidney deficiency in middle-aged patients] [Article in Chinese] Lin BH, Fang SQ, Ye Y. Fujian Academy of TCM, Fuzhou 350003. OBJECTIVE: To explore the essence of Spleen-Kidney Deficiency in middle-aged patients. METHODS: Investigation was carried out in 773 cases of 50-69 years old to assay 34 parameters in them, including blood lipid, oxidation and anti-oxidation related substance, sex hormone, liver and renal function, immune function, blood routine, blood pressure and lung vital capacity, etc. RESULTS: Spleen Deficiency Syndrome is closely related with lipid metabolism disorder; Kidney-Qi Deficiency Syndrome is closely related with hypoimmune function; Kidney-Yin Deficiency Syndrome is closely related with lipid metabolism disorder and hypertension, and Kidney Yang Deficiency is closely related with weakness of anti-oxidation capacity, hypoimmunity, the internal environment disorder of sex hormone and aging, manifested as multiple functions abating. CONCLUSION: Spleen Deficiency, Kidney-Qi Deficiency and Kidney Yang Deficiency are different layers of a gradually developed and aggravated pathological process, but Kidney-Yin Deficiency could not be listed into this layer. PMID: 12585169 [PubMed - in process] 1: Zhongguo Zhong Xi Yi Jie He Za Zhi. 1999 Jul;19(7):415-7. Related Articles, Links [Effect of regulation of kidney-yin and kidney-yang on hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal-thymus axis in monosodium L-glutamate rats] [Article in Chinese] Cai D, Chen X, Liu Y. Institute of Integrated Traditional and Western Medicine, Shanghai Medical University, Shanghai (200040). OBJECTIVE: To study the interrelationship between hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal-thymus (HPAT) axis and Kidney-Yang and Kidney-Yin in arcuate nucleus destroyed rats. METHODS: Monosodium glutamate(MSG) 4 mg/g body weight was given subcutaneously to neonatal rats at 2, 4,6, 8 and 10th day after born to destroy the ARC, and Zuogui pill or Yougui pill (5 g/kg daily) was given respectively by gastrogavage when the model rats entered adulthood. RESULTS: Immunohistochemical staining showed that in the model group the number of corticotropin-releasing hormone (CRH) positive neurons in hypothalamic paraventricular nucleus and anterior pituitary adrenotrophin (ACTH) positive secretory cells, which stained deeply, were more than those in the control group, the adrenal fasciculate zone disturbed with increased cells and obviously dilated sinusoid. The thymus atrophied with lymphocyte proliferation apparently lower, blood corticosterone, ACTH content and hypothalamic CRF level higher in the model than those in the control. Zuogui pill could improve above-mentioned pathophysiologic changes effectively but Yougui pill could not. CONCLUSION: Process of pathophysiology of HPA axis hyperfunction accompanied cell-mediated immunodeficiency may belong to the category of Kidney-Yin Deficiency Syndrome. PMID: 11783216 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] [Plasma cortisol concentration and blood leukocyte content of glucocorticoid receptors in patients with deficiency-cold vs deficiency-heat syndromes] [Article in Chinese] Zhang GY, Xie ZF. Institute of the Integration of Traditional and Western Medicine, Beijing Medical University. Plasma cortisol concentration and blood leukocyte content of glucocorticoid receptors (GCR) were assayed in 20 patients with deficiency syndromes, 10 cold in property (deficiency-cold), the other 10 hot in property (deficiency-heat), and also in 10 healthy individuals as normal control for the purpose of investigating the nature of cold and heat syndromes. As a result, the cases of deficiency-cold syndrome (DCS) had a normal concentration of plasma cortisol but a lowered content of GCR in leukocytes when compared with the normal control (P less than 0.05); the cases of deficiency-heat syndrome (DHS) had a higher concentration of plasma cortisol than the normal control (P less than 0.05) and a slightly higher content of GCR in leukocytes. It was concluded that the DCS is characterized by diminished biological effects of adrenocortical activity, while the DHS, by augmented biological effects of adrenocortical activity. PMID: 1813169 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] : Zhong Xi Yi Jie He Za Zhi. 1989 Jan;9(1):7-9, 3. Related Articles, Links [Analysis of 35 cases of pathology in yin deficiency syndrome] [Article in Chinese] Dai HL, Chen ZL, Song QL. Thirty-five cases of the pattern of Yin deficiency were studied including 18 cases of Liver and Kidney Yin deficiency, 2 cases of Lung and Kidney Yin deficiency, 15 cases of heat invasion into Ying and Blood with deficiency both in Qi and Yin. These cases displayed the following characteristics: (1) Course of the disease was insidious, protracted and prone to frequent exacerbations. (2) Clinical manifestations resulted mostly from functional impairment or metabolic derangements in vital organs/tissues, thus manifesting pleomorphism and complexity. Pathologic changes could be seen in almost all organs and tissues, being mostly marked in the liver, adrenals, testes, gastrointestinal tract, lungs and heart. The liver showed chronic active inflammatory changes or subacute necrosis. The adrenal cortex was overtly atrophic, involving all zones. Cell cytoplasm was scant and red stained with loss of lipid vesicles. The testis was also markedly atrophic. There was interstitial edema with scattering of convoluted seminiferous tubules. There was mild hyperplasia of the basement membrane. The germinal cell layer was thin and spermatogenesis decreased. Gastrointestinal mucosa was thin generally and submucosal edema was evident. Infiltrating inflammatory cells were predominantly lymphocytes. (3) These changes could be categorized as blood stasis, chronic inflammation, necrosis and atrophy that signify degeneration with impairment or loss of function. As a whole, Yin deficiency syndrome is merely a nonspecific term that covers a conglomeration of sundry chronic disease state. PMID: 2776273 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 1: Zhongguo Zhong Xi Yi Jie He Za Zhi. 1999 Apr;19(4):215-7. Related Articles, Links [study on prevention and treatment of middle and aged women diabetes with kidney deficiency and bone metabolic disturbance] [Article in Chinese] Zhu L, Li H, Liu Y. Institute of Endocrinology, Tianjin Medical University, Tianjin, China. OBJECTIVE: To Study the therapeutic effect of Chinese herbal medicine (CHM) for supplementing Qi, activating blood circulation and tonifying Kidney on prevention and treatment of middle and aged women diabetes with Kidney Deficiency and bone metabolic disturbance. METHODS: Clinical observation was taken in 52 patients, who were divided into two groups, the control group (treated with hypoglycemic agent alone) and the treated group (treated with hypoglycemic agent and CHM). RESULTS: Before treatment, patients of both groups showed obvious higher blood alkaline phosphatase, beta 2-microglobulin (beta 2-MG) level, urinary beta 2-MG, calcium and phosphorus level, but lower serum estradiol level than those in normal subjects. After 3 months' treatment, no apparent change on serum estradiol level was observed, but other parameters were all lowered obviously in the two groups, the changes revealed more obvious in the treated group. The symptoms of Kidney Deficiency, such as lumbodorsal pain, general fatigue, palpitation and vertigo, were improved after treatment, and the improvement was also more obvious in the treated group. CONCLUSION: CHM for supplementing Qi, activating blood circulation and tonifying Kidney was effective in improving Kidney Deficiency and mineral substance loss of bone in middle and aged women diabetes patients. The CHM and western drugs may acted synergistically. 1: Zhongguo Zhong Xi Yi Jie He Za Zhi. 1993 Apr;13(4):202-4, 195. Related Articles, Links [Relation of hypothyroidism and deficiency of kidney yang] [Article in Chinese] Zha LL. Inst. of the Integr. of TCM-WM Med., Shanghai Med. Univ. 32 cases of hypothyroidism caused by various factors were treated for one year with Chinese medicinal herbs preparation " Shen Lu tablet " (SLT) to warm and reinforce the Kidney Yang. 34 normal persons were studied as a control group. After treatment with SLT, the clinical symptoms of hypothyroidism were markedly improved. Average serum concentration of total T3, T4 increased significantly from 67.06 +/- 4.81 and 3.29 +/- 0.42 before treatment to 120.50 +/- 6.34 ng/dl and 6.31 +/- 0.38 micrograms/dl, respectively (P < 0.001). Serum levels of TSH decreased evidently from 20.81 +/- 2.78 before therapy to 3.32 +/- 0.61 ng/ml (P < 0.001). Before treatment with SLT, hypothyroidism group had higher erythrocyte sodium content ([Na]Rbc) than that of normal group. The permeability of the cell membrane oMNaos and the activity of sodium pump oKNaos in intact erythrocytes were markedly lower in the treated group than that in the normal group. In hypothyroidism patients treated by SLT the [Na]Rbc significantly dropped, and the oNNaos and oKNaos were significantly raised when compared with those before treatment, P < 0.001. It is suggested that hypothyroidism was closely related with Deficiency of Kidney Yang and energy metabolism. PMID: 8400766 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 Thanks, Jackie, for a lot of good articles. I was particularly interested in the one on hypothyroidism. One of the first TCM treatments that gets intergrated into Western medicine probably is going to be considering Kidney Yang Deficiency along with the Western treatment of supplementing thyroid hormone. There are simply too many reports of people who are hypothyroid failing to respond adequately to thyroid replacement. Even though blood levels come up to the normal range and symptoms and signs improve some, treatment is inadeaquate. Too many people with hypothyroidism still feel cold, some still have below normal body temperatures, and other symptoms and signs of hypothyroidism persist even after thyroid supplementation and normal blood levels are reached. Clearly, something else is going on too. I think it's important when researchers look into TCM treatments to have a TCM pattern diagnosis in addition to the Western diagnosis. Even though this results in several smaller test groups instead of one big one, it's the only way to understand what's happening and discover exactly when something will work and when it won't. It's that thing about treatment that helps one asthmatic may do nothing for a second and may even make a third sicker because the underlying TCM patterns are different. Without knowing the TCM pattern diagnoses, researchers will get results that they don't understand and which appear meaningless and even contradictory. Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 > . Even though blood levels come up > to the normal range and symptoms and signs improve some, treatment is > inadeaquate. Too many people with hypothyroidism still feel cold, > some still have below normal body temperatures, and other symptoms > and signs of hypothyroidism persist even after thyroid > supplementation and normal blood levels are reached. Clearly, > something else is going on too. Yes, and this is the kind of aspect I find most interesting. A lot of thyroid sufferers also have adrenal insufficiency, low cortisol, and that is the reason for their inability to recover. Of course thyroxine does nothing for that, but TCM might well be able to help. Even though Kd yin deficiency is characterised by high cortisol levels eg according to some of the papers I posted, Kd yin tonics also restore the adrenal atrophy produced by steroid treatment - ie they boost the adrenals, and maybe therefore their function (restore yin, and you restore yang to some extent?). This I think suggests that herbs like rehmannia have an adaptogenic action on the adrenals, as well as acting on the hypothalamus/pituitary that controls them. I think this is what my horse is falling foul of - he cannot take the initial adrenal 'boost'. Infuriatingly I cannot find a consensus on what TCM syndromes are found with Addison's disease? I have found one 'vote' for kidney yin deficiency so far - anyone else have any info? Addisons is of course lack of adrenal cortisol output but maybe as a result of atrophy. It would have made my life a lot easier if it had been kd yang deficiency, but it doesn't seem to be so?? Anyway I would bet that kidney yang herbs actually might restore the thyroid gland somewhat, as well as the more yang adrenal functions maybe. Cortisol is a difficult hormone to classify, and there seems to be some confusion over it - it has both yin and yang functions I think. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 Hi Jackie: > But I need more - now I have come up against a knowledge barrier in TCM, I > cannot find an answer to the question " Why can my kd yin deficient horse not > take kd yin tonics? " I really don't think you've come up against a knowledge barrier in TCM, Jackie. You may have come up against some sort of barrier with the TCM available in English, but not TCM. Veterinary medicine, esp with re to cattle and horses is very old and very essential for people who depended on horses so much for travel. As far as your actual question, I think you really need to prepare the case properly. I often skip your posts because it's too much information presented in a scattered fashion. I don't have any central papr to refer to, I never know what the weather is like over there etc. Basically I am missing most of the info I need. I'm sure more people will be able to help you if you do the following: 1. give your papers a title with sequential numbering so that they're easy to compile from the database. Start with a general history. 2. We need to know all the -current- signs and symptoms. Everything from his coat to his weight to how his eyes move and how he breathes to the choices that he makes, including his activity patterns, sleep etc, and how any of this deviates from a healthy horse. What he eats if it deviates from a healthy horse. What his stool and urine are like + frequency etc. 3. Tell us what the weather was like at the time of any major symptoms or pattern changes (this is part of history as well as ongoing, if you don't remember just leave it out). 4. Do this once a week every week so we can build up a history. Right now all I remember is a mash of patterns. You can do it daily if you want, but I would ask that you present us with a weekly compilation w the high and low points, not a daily journal. It is essential to see development and change over time. As well, I really think acupuncture is necessary. Acupuncture has a lot more to do with homeostasis than the herbs do, so if you can find a good acupuncturist, that would be best. If you present the case to us every week in this fashion, then over time we will be able to see the patterns very clearly. The way we're dealing with this case right now is extremely unfocussed, and I can see why we can't answer your questions. I also really feel that we have to go with the horse's behaviour, not lab results or scientific studies. That is always secondary to the individual signs and symptoms. > Infuriatingly I cannot find a consensus on what TCM > syndromes are found with > Addison's disease? I have found one 'vote' for > kidney yin deficiency so > far - anyone else have any info? That is because there are no one to one correspondences. It depends on the individual signs and symptoms. Ok, see you, hope you can do the above! Hugo ______________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger http://uk.messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 > I really don't think you've come up against a > knowledge barrier in TCM, Jackie. You may have come up > against some sort of barrier with the TCM available in > English, Sorry, that is what I meant - less than that even, a barrier within the knowledge available to me. I'm sure some wise old Chinaman knows the answer, but I don't have access to him. > Start with a general history. Okey dokey, I have his full case history and family pattern if you are interested, and an interpretation from a LAc who works with horses a lot. I didn't like to post it without anyone asking - it's way long! Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 Did you try my idea of cornshuck poultice on the lower forelegs? Some horses can do better with a different owner. Perhaps you should consider a horse trade. Perhaps to a nice orphanage or children's home? I think a head wrap for this horse that includes the ears being wrapped might help. Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote:Hi Jackie: > But I need more - now I have come up against a knowledge barrier in TCM, I > cannot find an answer to the question " Why can my kd yin deficient horse not > take kd yin tonics? " I really don't think you've come up against a knowledge barrier in TCM, Jackie. You may have come up against some sort of barrier with the TCM available in English, but not TCM. Veterinary medicine, esp with re to cattle and horses is very old and very essential for people who depended on horses so much for travel. As far as your actual question, I think you really need to prepare the case properly. I often skip your posts because it's too much information presented in a scattered fashion. I don't have any central papr to refer to, I never know what the weather is like over there etc. Basically I am missing most of the info I need. I'm sure more people will be able to help you if you do the following: 1. give your papers a title with sequential numbering so that they're easy to compile from the database. Start with a general history. 2. We need to know all the -current- signs and symptoms. Everything from his coat to his weight to how his eyes move and how he breathes to the choices that he makes, including his activity patterns, sleep etc, and how any of this deviates from a healthy horse. What he eats if it deviates from a healthy horse. What his stool and urine are like + frequency etc. 3. Tell us what the weather was like at the time of any major symptoms or pattern changes (this is part of history as well as ongoing, if you don't remember just leave it out). 4. Do this once a week every week so we can build up a history. Right now all I remember is a mash of patterns. You can do it daily if you want, but I would ask that you present us with a weekly compilation w the high and low points, not a daily journal. It is essential to see development and change over time. As well, I really think acupuncture is necessary. Acupuncture has a lot more to do with homeostasis than the herbs do, so if you can find a good acupuncturist, that would be best. If you present the case to us every week in this fashion, then over time we will be able to see the patterns very clearly. The way we're dealing with this case right now is extremely unfocussed, and I can see why we can't answer your questions. I also really feel that we have to go with the horse's behaviour, not lab results or scientific studies. That is always secondary to the individual signs and symptoms. > Infuriatingly I cannot find a consensus on what TCM > syndromes are found with > Addison's disease? I have found one 'vote' for > kidney yin deficiency so > far - anyone else have any info? That is because there are no one to one correspondences. It depends on the individual signs and symptoms. Ok, see you, hope you can do the above! Hugo ______________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger http://uk.messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 > Did you try my idea of cornshuck poultice on the lower forelegs? Ice bandage did the trick thanks. Some horses can do better with a different owner. Perhaps you should consider a horse trade. Perhaps to a nice orphanage or children's home? Oh dear - 640kg of aggressive, dominant horse at an orphanage? No, he needs a massive amount of support and would suffer a great deal more with someone who didn't understand his condition at all. He's also untradable, would very sson end up in a can. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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