Sweating can cause magnesium deficiency

[Guest guest]

need to also check the potassium and calcium levels especially when

supplementing with magnesium they work together or you could be asking for more

problems.

 

Potassium is another cause of muscle cramps especially in the legs.

Mushrooms, bananas are high in Potassium.

 

 

It would also be a good idea to get on some amino acids like sun chlorella

and use bragg's liquid amino's instead of salt on your food.

 

S

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> That is interesting Victoria. Just recently in the HOT weather we

have been

> having over here

 

It's made the news in the US. From the fires in Spain to people

cooling off in fountains in England.

 

> I have been waking up with pins and needles in my arms.

> Very uncomfortable. I though I might be overtraining in the heat

but as I

> have been deliberately keeping my sessions reasonable it is hard to

see how

> just exercising for an hour a day in the gym could cause such a

problem.

 

" Pins and needles " sensations, cramps, tics, muscle spasms are all

possible symptoms of magnesium deficiency.

 

Have you been sweating more than usual outside the gym while going

about normal activities as well as in the gym when working out?

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " michellec " <michellec@n...>

wrote:

> I have noticed a strange tingling this summer if I am out in the

sun too long (a relatively short time for me) . I tend to think of

magnesium at those times...it feels a little like the times I get the

twitches after a migraine that I have found to be magnesium

deficiency related.

 

There is a long list of symptoms and health problems linked to Mg

deficiency. Some migraines (not all) are related to Mg deficiency.

As are tics, muscles spasms, " pins and needles " sensations, some

cramps, etc.

 

Other symptoms and conditions that may be Mg-deficiency-related

include insomnia, nervousness, asthma, one kind of kidney stone, some

cases of high blood pressure, a tendency to form blood clots, and

arteriosclerosis. In addition, Mg plays some key roles in immune

system functioning as well as digestion.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , SacredQi888@a... wrote:

> need to also check the potassium and calcium levels especially when

> supplementing with magnesium they work together or you could be

asking for more

> problems.

>

> Potassium is another cause of muscle cramps especially in the legs.

> Mushrooms, bananas are high in Potassium.

>

>

> It would also be a good idea to get on some amino acids like sun

chlorella

> and use bragg's liquid amino's instead of salt on your food.

 

Thanks, SacredQi. I encourage healers to learn more about magnesium

because of the many roles Mg plays in health. I'm going to go into a

little more detail about some of the things you raised. I encourage

readers to research the topic further as I'm just giving a " bare

bones " (excuse the pun) run-down.

 

Most people use a supplement like oyster shell because it supplies

both calcium and magnesium in more or less the ratio that most people

need. Up to a point, the body has to have Mg in order to absorb Ca,

and has to have Ca in order to absorb Mg. After that point is

reached, Ca and Mg are in competition with each other. Increase Ca,

and Mg is excreted. Increase Mg, and Ca is excreted.

 

Sometimes people have more of a need for one than for the other. For

example, healthy people who consume a lot of dairy usually need more

Mg because dairy is so predominately Ca. Some people may be born with

a higher than normal need for Mg because the body isn't absorbing it

as effectively as most people absorb it. In other cases, it may be a

matter of diet. Over-processed foods frequently have a lot of their

Mg removed. Crops grown on Mg-deficient land won't have adequate Mg.

 

Some forms of Mg (as well as other minerals) are more easily absorbed

than others. This is something that someone requiring Mg

supplementation may need to research - depending on the severity of

the deficiency and how long it has been going on. Mg plays a role in

over 300 enzyme reactions in the body, and some of these are related

to digestion and utilization of nutrients. It takes Mg to be able to

absorb Mg (also to be able to absorb potassium). If Mg is deficient,

the person is not going to be able to absorb as much Mg as the body

needs. This is why the form of the Mg can make a difference.

 

Also, malic acid (found in abundance in apples and some other fruits

but also can be bought as a supplement) increases Mg absorption.

Aluminum interferes with Mg absorption. If one drinks soft drinks,

be aware that some companies don't line the Al cans they use. The

tiny amount of Al that leaches into the drink can make a difference

between the person getting adequate Mg or having a deficiency. (I

know a woman this happened to. Her Mg-deficiency problem was so

severe that she had to have a shunt installed for regular IV-Mg

treatments. Her Mg level only came up to normal once she stopped

drinking soft drinks in cans. It can make a difference in some

people.)

 

First try to obtain enough Mg from diet. Green leafy veggies,

especially mustard greens, tend to have the highest percentages of

Mg. Diet will not be enough for some people. They will have to have

the pills. A few people whose problems are severe and very long-

standing will require Mg shots. I did for a few years. Now I can

use the pills. My system had to heal to a certain point before I

could get enough Mg from pills. I still evidently cannot get enough

from diet alone as witness my recent problems. And I eat a lot of

green leafy veggies! A very few people require IV-Mg. Only MDs or

DOs can prescribe Mg via injection or IV.

 

The blood tests that measure Mg-deficiency leave a lot to be

desired. The blood can have adequate Mg but other cells in the body

not have enough. Research is being done into the best tests to

measure Mg accurately. You'll want to Google to get the latest info.

 

Mildred Seelig, MD, American College of Nutrition, is an authority on

Mg deficiency. You may want to Google using her name. There are

other experts on the role of Mg in the body and the symptoms and

signs of Mg deficiency, but Seelig is the one I'm familiar with

because of her writings on CFIDS.

 

Too much Mg as well as too little can be fatal. Supplementing Mg is

NOT a case of if a little is good, more is better. Muscles can relax

to the point of death. One of the first signs of Mg overdose often

is low blood pressure.

 

A gardening tip for the gardeners on the the list: A little epsom

salts added to the soil around tomato plants can result in very lush

plants and a bumper crop of tomatoes. It doesn't take much, use

according to directions on package. I have a very bountiful tomato

plant in a pot out on the deck. I didn't know it was possible to get

those kinds of yields from a tomato plant in a pot. These are full-

size tomatoes, not the small salad tomatoes. The home-grown tomatoes

taste so much better than the ones bought in the supermarket.

 

Another gardening tip: Dump the dregs from making herbal teas into

your flower or vegetable beds or compost heap. When we lived in AZ,

we built a triple-tier flower box that ran the length of the back

porch. I used to dump the dregs from herbal teas into the top tier.

After a while I got to noticing that the plants in that top tier were

bigger, healthier, and more productive than the same plants in other

locations.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

Just reporting back after 24 hours Mg and other mineral supplementation.

 

Pins and needles in arms this morning practically cleared up despite going

through two vests yesterday evening in my workout at the gym. Boy did I

sweat ! I did 300 calories on the cardio machine, then 100 situp/crunches

with a medicine ball between my ankles, then a few sets of deadlifts and

shoulder presses with a barbel and finished off with a set of standing rows.

I won't tell you what weights I used as you guys will not believe me ;-)

 

Thanks for the timely warning about mineral / electrolyte / Mg loss during

the hot weather. Something we Brits are not entirely used to, hot weather.

With global warming however, hot weather in the summer may be here to stay,

so forwarned is forarmed.

 

Cheers,

 

Sammy.

 

 

ga.bates [ga.bates]

12 August 2003 10:58

Chinese Traditional Medicine

RE: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Sweating can cause magnesium deficiency

 

 

 

That is interesting Victoria. Just recently in the HOT weather we have been

having over here I have been waking up with pins and needles in my arms.

Very uncomfortable. I though I might be overtraining in the heat but as I

have been deliberately keeping my sessions reasonable it is hard to see how

just exercising for an hour a day in the gym could cause such a problem.

 

> I began to wonder, " Can Mg be lost in perspiration?

 

I think you have it there.

 

> People who work up sweats regularly may want to be extra careful about

getting enough Mg in their diets or via supplements.

 

I bought the hamster a salt lick just last week. Maybe my subconscious was

trying to tell me something about mineral deficiency ! I'll get on to it

right away. Thanks !

 

Sammy.

 

 

 

victoria_dragon [victoria_dragon]

12 August 2003 01:57

Chinese Traditional Medicine

[Chinese Traditional Medicine] Sweating can cause magnesium deficiency

 

 

Recently, I began waking in the middle of the night and in the

morning with muscle cramps in the legs and feet. If I turned my body

too far to the right or left during the day, I frequently got cramps

in my side.

 

This problem started during an unusually wet period where I live. It

mainly has been overcast and the humidity very high for several

days. At times the humidity has been over 90% for a few days

straight.

 

I knew what to do for the cramps as I have had them before.

Magnesium. The cramps not only stopped, my muscles felt stronger and

I had less pain. I also had more energy.

 

Thanks to this increase in energy and strength and decrease in pain,

I got more active. The cramps returned. So did the lower back pain

and not feeling as enegetic as I had. Today I did a lot of yard

work, and the cramps started to return. I also was sweating very

heavily. I began to wonder, " Can Mg be lost in perspiration? I mean

I've been on the recommended dose of the Mg for several days now, and

each day that I stayed on it, I felt better. Until today. So what

was different today? I was sweating an unusually amount. " (I also

was sweating heavily yesterday, but not as bad as today.)

 

So I did a Google on magnesium and perspiration, and sure enough, Mg

is lost via perspiration. Excessive perspiration can trigger Mg

deficiency.

 

Health care professionals on the list may want to test for Mg

deficiency in clients who have Qi Deficiency. One of the symptoms of

Qi Deficiency is excessive perspiration. Also, Yin Deficiency can

manifest as night sweats, again causing a loss of perspiration. Also

keep in mind that Damp (high humidity) can damage the Spleen, and

this can trigger Qi Deficiency.

 

I doubt that several days of high humidity could trigger Mg

deficiency in a person who has strong Qi and adequate reserves of

Mg. But I'm still recovering from having once been very sick. My

Spleen still is not entirely recovered, and it once was in very, very

bad shape.

 

People who work up sweats regularly may want to be extra careful

about getting enough Mg in their diets or via supplements.

 

I encourage anyone who has recurrent symptoms to keep a diary of what

the weather is like when their symptoms appear. Also make a note of

foods eaten and any unusual activities prior to or during the return

of symptoms. Very often this will reveal insights into the cause of

the problem and what to do to correct it.

 

Victoria

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Victoria, you are always a fount of information.

I misled in my " twitch " though. That is my own vocab for the feeling of

thrashing around I get after a migraine. Restless and waking everytime I fall

asleep.

Michelle

-

victoria_dragon

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Wednesday, August 13, 2003 4:26 AM

[Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Sweating can cause magnesium deficiency

 

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " michellec " <michellec@n...>

wrote:

> I have noticed a strange tingling this summer if I am out in the

sun too long (a relatively short time for me) . I tend to think of

magnesium at those times...it feels a little like the times I get the

twitches after a migraine that I have found to be magnesium

deficiency related.

 

There is a long list of symptoms and health problems linked to Mg

deficiency. Some migraines (not all) are related to Mg deficiency.

As are tics, muscles spasms, " pins and needles " sensations, some

cramps, etc.

 

Other symptoms and conditions that may be Mg-deficiency-related

include insomnia, nervousness, asthma, one kind of kidney stone, some

cases of high blood pressure, a tendency to form blood clots, and

arteriosclerosis. In addition, Mg plays some key roles in immune

system functioning as well as digestion.

 

Victoria

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> Pins and needles in arms this morning practically cleared up

despite going

> through two vests yesterday evening in my workout at the gym.

 

Good! When Mg is needed it frequently works relatively quickly.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

What if magnesium gives me diarrhea?

Michelle

-

victoria_dragon

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Wednesday, August 13, 2003 4:20 PM

[Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Sweating can cause magnesium deficiency

 

 

> Pins and needles in arms this morning practically cleared up

despite going

> through two vests yesterday evening in my workout at the gym.

 

Good! When Mg is needed it frequently works relatively quickly.

 

Victoria

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

if Mg gives you diarrhea, it could mean that you L/GB need to be cleared. Mg

give " Order " to your GB to expend the bile. it results a diarrhea. If fact, when

diarrhea appears with intake of Mg, it means that your liver was dirty.

you can have the same effects with some liver herb tea, or with the concentrate

of radis nigra.

Seb

-

michellec

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Thursday, August 14, 2003 6:31 PM

Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Sweating can cause magnesium deficiency

 

 

What if magnesium gives me diarrhea?

Michelle

-

victoria_dragon

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Wednesday, August 13, 2003 4:20 PM

[Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Sweating can cause magnesium deficiency

 

 

> Pins and needles in arms this morning practically cleared up

despite going

> through two vests yesterday evening in my workout at the gym.

 

Good! When Mg is needed it frequently works relatively quickly.

 

Victoria

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> What if magnesium gives me diarrhea?

 

You're taking too much, you don't need supplementation, or you're

taking the wrong form. For example, Mg citrate is used as a laxative.

 

I get good results with Ultra ATP+ which is Mg hydroxide and malic

acid. I also take a combination calcium, magnesium, and zinc

supplement, but because I need more Mg than normal, I take the extra

Mg.

 

You may want to Google for the different forms of Mg. I believe the

amino acid chelated Mg is supposed to be absorbed well.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

Thank you.

-

Sebastien Demortier

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:10 AM

Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Sweating can cause magnesium deficiency

 

 

if Mg gives you diarrhea, it could mean that you L/GB need to be cleared. Mg

give " Order " to your GB to expend the bile. it results a diarrhea. If fact, when

diarrhea appears with intake of Mg, it means that your liver was dirty.

you can have the same effects with some liver herb tea, or with the

concentrate of radis nigra.

Seb

-

michellec

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Thursday, August 14, 2003 6:31 PM

Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Sweating can cause magnesium deficiency

 

 

What if magnesium gives me diarrhea?

Michelle

-

victoria_dragon

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Wednesday, August 13, 2003 4:20 PM

[Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Sweating can cause magnesium deficiency

 

 

> Pins and needles in arms this morning practically cleared up

despite going

> through two vests yesterday evening in my workout at the gym.

 

Good! When Mg is needed it frequently works relatively quickly.

 

Victoria

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> What if magnesium gives me diarrhea?

 

Go for a chelate form - magnesium sulphate is a definate laxative, as are

other Mg salts somewhat less so.

 

Jackie

[Guest guest]

mine is oxate, citrate, malate (sp?)

Michelle

-

jackie

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Saturday, August 16, 2003 2:39 PM

Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Sweating can cause magnesium deficiency

 

 

 

 

 

> What if magnesium gives me diarrhea?

 

Go for a chelate form - magnesium sulphate is a definate laxative, as are

other Mg salts somewhat less so.

 

Jackie

 

 

[Guest guest]

> mine is oxate, citrate, malate (sp?)

 

Amino acid hydrate is an official name, but it is normally just called eg

chelated magnesium. The element is bound to an amino acid, so it is absorbed

as if it were just a protein, it is what they call 'bio-available'

 

Jacke

[Guest guest]

I also think that with px's that sweat allot due to

Spleen qi def. that pins and needles can occur in a

TCM standpoint. If you look at it on a whole, one can

say that qi def will eventually lead to Blood def- I

think it's easirer to rule out Blood def. in women due

to menses every month. Just a thought.

--- ga.bates wrote:

>

> Just reporting back after 24 hours Mg and other

> mineral supplementation.

>

> Pins and needles in arms this morning practically

> cleared up despite going

> through two vests yesterday evening in my workout at

> the gym. Boy did I

> sweat ! I did 300 calories on the cardio machine,

> then 100 situp/crunches

> with a medicine ball between my ankles, then a few

> sets of deadlifts and

> shoulder presses with a barbel and finished off with

> a set of standing rows.

> I won't tell you what weights I used as you guys

> will not believe me ;-)

>

> Thanks for the timely warning about mineral /

> electrolyte / Mg loss during

> the hot weather. Something we Brits are not entirely

> used to, hot weather.

> With global warming however, hot weather in the

> summer may be here to stay,

> so forwarned is forarmed.

>

> Cheers,

>

> Sammy.

>

>

> ga.bates

> [ga.bates]

> 12 August 2003 10:58

> Chinese Traditional Medicine

> RE: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Sweating can cause

> magnesium deficiency

>

>

>

> That is interesting Victoria. Just recently in the

> HOT weather we have been

> having over here I have been waking up with pins and

> needles in my arms.

> Very uncomfortable. I though I might be overtraining

> in the heat but as I

> have been deliberately keeping my sessions

> reasonable it is hard to see how

> just exercising for an hour a day in the gym could

> cause such a problem.

>

> > I began to wonder, " Can Mg be lost in

> perspiration?

>

> I think you have it there.

>

> > People who work up sweats regularly may want to be

> extra careful about

> getting enough Mg in their diets or via supplements.

>

> I bought the hamster a salt lick just last week.

> Maybe my subconscious was

> trying to tell me something about mineral deficiency

> ! I'll get on to it

> right away. Thanks !

>

> Sammy.

>

>

>

> victoria_dragon

> [victoria_dragon]

> 12 August 2003 01:57

> Chinese Traditional Medicine

> [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Sweating can cause

> magnesium deficiency

>

>

> Recently, I began waking in the middle of the night

> and in the

> morning with muscle cramps in the legs and feet. If

> I turned my body

> too far to the right or left during the day, I

> frequently got cramps

> in my side.

>

> This problem started during an unusually wet period

> where I live. It

> mainly has been overcast and the humidity very high

> for several

> days. At times the humidity has been over 90% for a

> few days

> straight.

>

> I knew what to do for the cramps as I have had them

> before.

> Magnesium. The cramps not only stopped, my muscles

> felt stronger and

> I had less pain. I also had more energy.

>

> Thanks to this increase in energy and strength and

> decrease in pain,

> I got more active. The cramps returned. So did the

> lower back pain

> and not feeling as enegetic as I had. Today I did a

> lot of yard

> work, and the cramps started to return. I also was

> sweating very

> heavily. I began to wonder, " Can Mg be lost in

> perspiration? I mean

> I've been on the recommended dose of the Mg for

> several days now, and

> each day that I stayed on it, I felt better. Until

> today. So what

> was different today? I was sweating an unusually

> amount. " (I also

> was sweating heavily yesterday, but not as bad as

> today.)

>

> So I did a Google on magnesium and perspiration, and

> sure enough, Mg

> is lost via perspiration. Excessive perspiration

> can trigger Mg

> deficiency.

>

> Health care professionals on the list may want to

> test for Mg

> deficiency in clients who have Qi Deficiency. One

> of the symptoms of

> Qi Deficiency is excessive perspiration. Also, Yin

> Deficiency can

> manifest as night sweats, again causing a loss of

> perspiration. Also

> keep in mind that Damp (high humidity) can damage

> the Spleen, and

> this can trigger Qi Deficiency.

>

> I doubt that several days of high humidity could

> trigger Mg

> deficiency in a person who has strong Qi and

> adequate reserves of

> Mg. But I'm still recovering from having once been

> very sick. My

> Spleen still is not entirely recovered, and it once

> was in very, very

> bad shape.

>

> People who work up sweats regularly may want to be

> extra careful

> about getting enough Mg in their diets or via

> supplements.

>

> I encourage anyone who has recurrent symptoms to

> keep a diary of what

> the weather is like when their symptoms appear.

> Also make a note of

> foods eaten and any unusual activities prior to or

> during the return

> of symptoms. Very often this will reveal insights

> into the cause of

> the problem and what to do to correct it.

>

> Victoria

>

>

>

>

>

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