Guest guest Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 In a message dated 7/21/2003 12:53:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, augustoromano writes: So what is BTW? BTW means "by the way" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 Hi there, wonder if you are Ron Rosen. If you are, we met before, probably 10 yrs ago or so, during some acu meeting. At the time I was president of the Illinois State Acu Association. So what is BTW? Does that stand for some name of organization? I may be interested in how to connect to volunteer for organizations around the country or the world...sounds like you may know some of this. Please forward information. Thanks. Augusto Romano - I am now in the Seattle area. >Doc >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine >[Chinese Medicine] X Dollars and a false dicotomy >Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:50:00 -0700 (PDT) > >Hola, > >I've been lurking on the sidelines for a while, even though this discussion is one dear to my heart. I am not very adept at typing or expressing myself in this medium, but, here goes. > >First my $.02 on the question of money. > >In the Oath of the Chinese Physician (written in the early 1600s) we are told to "treat every patient equally, rich or poor, whether from a family of good reputation or ill..........thus will your practice grow day by day and conscience remain intact" >I have been a student of Chines Medicine for slightly over 50 years now. I have a set fee which is in the mid range here in Colorado and have maintained a widely known policy of never turning away a patient for lack of a fee. >Every year between one third and half of my time is spent doing pro-bono work at clinics in the inner city, on the reservation, as a volunteer in urban conflicts and war zones, and in the third world. (BTW always looking for volunteers for these projects) > >In my way of thinking there are only two paradigms that exist in medicine and these are not separated into Allopathic and TCM or Homeopathic etc.. >The two paradigms are the one which places the patient in the center of the picture and the one that places anything else in the center. Anything else that replaces the patient is -IMO- wrong. It does not matter if the replacement is money, politics, prestige, the state, ..... it is the first step on a destructive path. > >This segues into the false dichotomy. > >Some folks seem to believe that our form of medicine has THE ANSWER. > >Hmmm if that is true why are there still sick and injured folks who can not be helped to complete health? >If we take all forms of healing Allopathic, Chiropractic, Osteopathic, Homeopathic, TCM, Japanese Acupuncture & Kanpo, Worsleys 5 element practices, Traditional Native American Wisasca Wakan, Euro-based -so called Western- Herbalism, etc. and culled the best from each we still do not have the tools or the knowledge to heal all of the ills of our planetary family. How arrogant it is of us then to claim to be the only true medicine. Yes there are excesses and mistreatment in Allopathic Medicine but i have seen the same in TCM, and it all grows out of the same original paradigm shift brought about by love of money or prestige or in any other way replacing the patient's sacred place in the center of our picture with anything else. > >My first teacher used to say that if you think you know *the answer* you probably did not understand the question. > >Somos la misma familia, >"Doc" Rosen > >BTWYes it is true that during the Doctors strikes in NYC, SF and in Israel the death rate went down slightly. but this is not quite the reality that an overly simplistic mind paints. It was due to many factors such as delayed surgeries and was often a trade off for increased deformity and long term suffering in other ways. (although i must admit to delighting in using this very statistic myself on occasion. ;-> ) > > > > > > >True security nust be rooted in true and complete social, economic and environmental justice for everyone everywhere with no exceptions. Anything else is an illusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2003 Report Share Posted July 22, 2003 BTW >>>Can somebody tell me what is BTW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2003 Report Share Posted July 22, 2003 thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2003 Report Share Posted July 22, 2003 On 21 Jul 2003, at 16:05, ALON MARCUS wrote: > BTW > >>>Can somebody tell me what is BTW By the way ... Best regards, WORK : Teagasc Staff Development Unit, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland WWW : Email: < Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Email: < Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2003 Report Share Posted July 23, 2003 In a message dated 7/21/03 7:29:15 PM, alonmarcus writes: BTW >>>Can somebody tell me what is BTW By the Way =BTW In my opinion = IMO David Molony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2003 Report Share Posted July 29, 2003 Where do you want to voluntar? i am in guatemala and always in need of skilled practiners? We are aiming to set up a comunity orientated clinic in zone 18... And Ron Rosen are you from GUMAP? an organisation that works in Peten? Have you any opinions and maybe even posibilities of coperation between what i try to participate in and in what you are already doing (I see you have many years of expereience) if you want you can contact me of list Marco - augusto romano Chinese Medicine Monday, July 21, 2003 2:50 PM [Chinese Medicine] Re: BTW Hi there, wonder if you are Ron Rosen. If you are, we met before, probably 10 yrs ago or so, during some acu meeting. At the time I was president of the Illinois State Acu Association. So what is BTW? Does that stand for some name of organization? I may be interested in how to connect to volunteer for organizations around the country or the world...sounds like you may know some of this. Please forward information. Thanks. Augusto Romano - I am now in the Seattle area. >Doc >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine >[Chinese Medicine] X Dollars and a false dicotomy >Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:50:00 -0700 (PDT) > >Hola, > >I've been lurking on the sidelines for a while, even though this discussion is one dear to my heart. I am not very adept at typing or expressing myself in this medium, but, here goes. > >First my $.02 on the question of money. > >In the Oath of the Chinese Physician (written in the early 1600s) we are told to "treat every patient equally, rich or poor, whether from a family of good reputation or ill..........thus will your practice grow day by day and conscience remain intact" >I have been a student of Chines Medicine for slightly over 50 years now. I have a set fee which is in the mid range here in Colorado and have maintained a widely known policy of never turning away a patient for lack of a fee. >Every year between one third and half of my time is spent doing pro-bono work at clinics in the inner city, on the reservation, as a volunteer in urban conflicts and war zones, and in the third world. (BTW always looking for volunteers for these projects) > >In my way of thinking there are only two paradigms that exist in medicine and these are not separated into Allopathic and TCM or Homeopathic etc.. >The two paradigms are the one which places the patient in the center of the picture and the one that places anything else in the center. Anything else that replaces the patient is -IMO- wrong. It does not matter if the replacement is money, politics, prestige, the state, ..... it is the first step on a destructive path. > >This segues into the false dichotomy. > >Some folks seem to believe that our form of medicine has THE ANSWER. > >Hmmm if that is true why are there still sick and injured folks who can not be helped to complete health? >If we take all forms of healing Allopathic, Chiropractic, Osteopathic, Homeopathic, TCM, Japanese Acupuncture & Kanpo, Worsleys 5 element practices, Traditional Native American Wisasca Wakan, Euro-based -so called Western- Herbalism, etc. and culled the best from each we still do not have the tools or the knowledge to heal all of the ills of our planetary family. How arrogant it is of us then to claim to be the only true medicine. Yes there are excesses and mistreatment in Allopathic Medicine but i have seen the same in TCM, and it all grows out of the same original paradigm shift brought about by love of money or prestige or in any other way replacing the patient's sacred place in the center of our picture with anything else. > >My first teacher used to say that if you think you know *the answer* you probably did not understand the question. > >Somos la misma familia, >"Doc" Rosen > >BTWYes it is true that during the Doctors strikes in NYC, SF and in Israel the death rate went down slightly. but this is not quite the reality that an overly simplistic mind paints. It was due to many factors such as delayed surgeries and was often a trade off for increased deformity and long term suffering in other ways. (although i must admit to delighting in using this very statistic myself on occasion. ;-> ) > > > > > > >True security nust be rooted in true and complete social, economic and environmental justice for everyone everywhere with no exceptions. Anything else is an illusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.