Guest guest Posted July 28, 2003 Report Share Posted July 28, 2003 Hi All, Cara wrote: > Am I so deeply sequestered in my world of Qi that I cannot imagine that this is exclusive in some way? Cara Some people can look at the ceiling in the Sistine Chapel, or listen to Beethoven's Ninth, and feel nothing special. Chris replied: > One of my clinic instructors used palpation exclusively for point > location and to also feel what the body needed rather than rely > exclusively on theory. He was worshiped by some and thought crazy > by others. One of the most respected teachers, couldn't feel chi > and although he wouldn't speak out publicly, thought locating > points through feel rather than CAM, was folly. Some can feel it, > others seem to have a hard time with it. Chris Such is life. Some great composers were completely deaf, or tone- deaf, but " heard " the score " in their heads " , or " saw " (visualised) it in mathematical or notation terms. IMO, there are few natural geniuses, but, through hard work, discussion and practice, most committed people can become competent at their profession. In some ways, I envy those who have highly developed sensitivity/6th Sense. One of my first teachers, the late Erwin Westermayer DVM, Bellamont, Germany, had incredible skills in that area. As an exercise, he often made his Dx at a distance of several kilometers from the farm. To do that, he used to stop the car and get out on the side of the road, close his eyes and visualise himself inside the animal's body ... My head is the patient;'s head,... my eyes are the patient's eyes, ... my elbow is the patient's elbow, .. what do I feel in my body now? He would tell me his feelings and make a Dx. Then we would drive on to see the animal. Time after time, we found [by conventional methods, and in taking a good case-history from the farmer] what he had found by his visualisation/spirit occupation exercise earlier. Erwin [who had NOT studied herbal medicine formally, or in great detail] could also take a leaf or flower in his hand, close his eyes and imagine what sensations the plant caused in his body. By that method, he claimed to know the main medicinal uses of that plant, or at least the main organs that it assisted. He could also sense the correct points to treat by programming his mind to feel a " tickle " in his palm when he passed his palm through the subject's energy field WITHOUT TOUCHING the subject. I have talked with several dozen vets who spent time with Erwin, and their impressions coincided largely with mine. HE was a genius in Dx and Tx, but I know very few professionals who have the gift to his extent. Most of us must be satisfied with basic competence, learned the hard way. But even if we can't see/feel Qi as the Seers/Sensitives do, we can still see/feel its effects [like the effects of Wind, as so well described by Attilio and others, elsewhere). One way that I use to become more aware of Qi is to go, alone or with 1-2 good friends, to fish rivers in the wilds of the West of Ireland. I prefer rivers that few others fish, and where one can spend a day away from other people. In the wilderness, one is alone in Nature, alone with the wind, trees, water, rocks, earth, kestrels, larks, otters, etc. Such places are truly magical. Others may prefer the mountains, sea/lake, desert, volcano, glacier; to each her/his own... For me, discovery of Qi in Nature - the Qi of the Five Elements, the Qi of dark and the bright places, quiet and cacophonous forests [Yin-Yang], the Qi of megalithic tombs, etc., teaches and amplifies the discovery of Qi in animals and people. As to feeling acupoints, I agree that the ancient Chinese chose the word " Xue " (hollow, hole, depression) with care. I can feel the depression in most points, but I allow my instinct to direct my hand in the anatomical vicinity of the point. I disagree with some who disparage the use of guide-tubes. I have been using them (in humans and dogs) for many years now and I reckon that I can still hit the correct points. IMO, these tubes are ingenious. By applying HEAVY pressure from the guide-tube on the point one uses the principle of " Two Point Discrimination Difficulty " to confuse brain discrimination of two stimuli applied close together. This makes needle insertion almost painless. On advancing the needle into the depth, one can always use the human subject's Deqi sensation to verify that the tip of the needle is in the correct place. I do not use guide tubes in horses. For them, my preferred needle is a 3 " , 20-gauge hypodermic needle. For points over heavy muscle, having located the point, I hold the needle by its hub, with its point turned towards my palm. After rythmically thumping the point several (6-10) times with the back of my fist, or the ulnar edge of my needling-hand, and without breaking rhythm, I insert the needle very quickly through the skin. I then advance the needle to the correct depth. Unfortunately animals cannot verbalise their Deqi sensation but there are other tell-tale signs, like fine muscular fibrillation, often seen for 1-2 feet proximal and distal to the needle, or lifting a limb. The latter is common in dogs when points in the limbs over peripheral nerves (such as PC06 or GB34) are needled. Attilo, back to Wind. One friend told me a strange story. [shamana/Wonder, do not blush if you still on the List!]. She was one of the few [if not the only] women of her Tribe [a small tribe of Indians on the US/Canadian border] ever allowed to train with the young [male] braves before the selection process for deeper spiritual training. She passed the initiation tests with flying colours, including the 5-day fast and the freak-out [when one meets one's Guide Animal, but can also meet everything that ever might terrify one]. She told me that she sometimes goes to the forest on retreat - to " recharge her batteries " . There, when the Wind blows, she has orgasms, often multiple. Wind may be her Mother Element; for others the Mother Element may be Water, Wood, Fire or Earth. IMO, orgasm is the explosive dispersion/release of pent-up Qi-Xue, the temporary resolution of a Qi-Xue Shi/Qi-Xue Stasis. But I could not help the thought: " Is true love being the Wind [or other |Mother element] for one's Beloved? " . And the afterthought - if one is the Mother Element of one's Beloved, the Beloved CANNOT be the Mother Element that the Lover needs! Ah well, one can't have everything ... Best regards, WORK : Teagasc Staff Development Unit, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland WWW : Email: < Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Email: < Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2003 Report Share Posted July 28, 2003 Hi Phil. Your friend is trully amazing. I would of loved to have met him. I hope to aspire to his state of skill one day. I can relate to him alot, but my psychic skills are still developing and i won't go in their state on this list. Lol, very good ideas on Wind and organism. I read somewhere that excessive sexual desire is the result of a blood deficiency, hence my wife is on a lifetime course of blood tonics. (Couldn't help putting that one in). Is your friend's element Wind in terms of her Chinese star sign? Personally, i'm tiger wood and aires. And am therefore my own worst enemy as my fire element ignites my wood. No wonder i'm on Jia Wei Xiao Yao Wan! I do have a constant damp problem and the UK climate doesn't help. And if i get in contact with fungi i get in a real mess. My wife is a horse but i dont know what element, i'll have to look into that very seriously. Attilio Chinese Medicine , " " <@e...> wrote: > Hi All, > > Cara wrote: > > Am I so deeply sequestered in my world of Qi that I cannot > imagine that this is exclusive in some way? Cara > > Some people can look at the ceiling in the Sistine Chapel, or listen > to Beethoven's Ninth, and feel nothing special. > > Chris replied: > > One of my clinic instructors used palpation exclusively for point > > location and to also feel what the body needed rather than rely > > exclusively on theory. He was worshiped by some and thought crazy > > by others. One of the most respected teachers, couldn't feel chi > > and although he wouldn't speak out publicly, thought locating > > points through feel rather than CAM, was folly. Some can feel it, > > others seem to have a hard time with it. Chris > > Such is life. Some great composers were completely deaf, or tone- > deaf, but " heard " the score " in their heads " , or " saw " (visualised) it > in mathematical or notation terms. > > IMO, there are few natural geniuses, but, through hard work, > discussion and practice, most committed people can become > competent at their profession. > > In some ways, I envy those who have highly developed > sensitivity/6th Sense. One of my first teachers, the late Erwin > Westermayer DVM, Bellamont, Germany, had incredible skills in > that area. As an exercise, he often made his Dx at a distance of > several kilometers from the farm. To do that, he used to stop the > car and get out on the side of the road, close his eyes and > visualise himself inside the animal's body ... My head is the > patient;'s head,... my eyes are the patient's eyes, ... my elbow is > the patient's elbow, .. what do I feel in my body now? He would tell > me his feelings and make a Dx. Then we would drive on to see the > animal. Time after time, we found [by conventional methods, and in > taking a good case-history from the farmer] what he had found by > his visualisation/spirit occupation exercise earlier. > > Erwin [who had NOT studied herbal medicine formally, or in great > detail] could also take a leaf or flower in his hand, close his eyes > and imagine what sensations the plant caused in his body. By that > method, he claimed to know the main medicinal uses of that plant, > or at least the main organs that it assisted. > > He could also sense the correct points to treat by programming his > mind to feel a " tickle " in his palm when he passed his palm through > the subject's energy field WITHOUT TOUCHING the subject. > > I have talked with several dozen vets who spent time with Erwin, > and their impressions coincided largely with mine. HE was a > genius in Dx and Tx, but I know very few professionals who have > the gift to his extent. > > Most of us must be satisfied with basic competence, learned the > hard way. But even if we can't see/feel Qi as the Seers/Sensitives > do, we can still see/feel its effects [like the effects of Wind, as so > well described by Attilio and others, elsewhere). > > One way that I use to become more aware of Qi is to go, alone or > with 1-2 good friends, to fish rivers in the wilds of the West of > Ireland. I prefer rivers that few others fish, and where one can spend > a day away from other people. > > In the wilderness, one is alone in Nature, alone with the wind, > trees, water, rocks, earth, kestrels, larks, otters, etc. Such places > are truly magical. Others may prefer the mountains, sea/lake, > desert, volcano, glacier; to each her/his own... > > For me, discovery of Qi in Nature - the Qi of the Five Elements, the > Qi of dark and the bright places, quiet and cacophonous forests > [Yin-Yang], the Qi of megalithic tombs, etc., teaches and amplifies > the discovery of Qi in animals and people. > > As to feeling acupoints, I agree that the ancient Chinese chose the > word " Xue " (hollow, hole, depression) with care. I can feel the > depression in most points, but I allow my instinct to direct my hand > in the anatomical vicinity of the point. I disagree with some who > disparage the use of guide-tubes. I have been using them (in > humans and dogs) for many years now and I reckon that I can still > hit the correct points. > > IMO, these tubes are ingenious. By applying HEAVY pressure > from the guide-tube on the point one uses the principle of " Two > Point Discrimination Difficulty " to confuse brain discrimination of > two stimuli applied close together. This makes needle insertion > almost painless. On advancing the needle into the depth, one can > always use the human subject's Deqi sensation to verify that the > tip of the needle is in the correct place. > > I do not use guide tubes in horses. For them, my preferred needle > is a 3 " , 20-gauge hypodermic needle. For points over heavy > muscle, having located the point, I hold the needle by its hub, with > its point turned towards my palm. After rythmically thumping the > point several (6-10) times with the back of my fist, or the ulnar edge > of my needling-hand, and without breaking rhythm, I insert the > needle very quickly through the skin. I then advance the needle to > the correct depth. > > Unfortunately animals cannot verbalise their Deqi sensation but > there are other tell-tale signs, like fine muscular fibrillation, often > seen for 1-2 feet proximal and distal to the needle, or lifting a limb. > The latter is common in dogs when points in the limbs over > peripheral nerves (such as PC06 or GB34) are needled. > > Attilo, back to Wind. One friend told me a strange story. > [shamana/Wonder, do not blush if you still on the List!]. She was > one of the few [if not the only] women of her Tribe [a small tribe of > Indians on the US/Canadian border] ever allowed to train with the > young [male] braves before the selection process for deeper > spiritual training. She passed the initiation tests with flying colours, > including the 5-day fast and the freak-out [when one meets one's > Guide Animal, but can also meet everything that ever might terrify > one]. She told me that she sometimes goes to the forest on retreat > - to " recharge her batteries " . There, when the Wind blows, she has > orgasms, often multiple. Wind may be her Mother Element; for > others the Mother Element may be Water, Wood, Fire or Earth. > > IMO, orgasm is the explosive dispersion/release of pent-up Qi-Xue, > the temporary resolution of a Qi-Xue Shi/Qi-Xue Stasis. But I could > not help the thought: " Is true love being the Wind [or other |Mother > element] for one's Beloved? " . > > And the afterthought - if one is the Mother Element of one's > Beloved, the Beloved CANNOT be the Mother Element that the > Lover needs! > > Ah well, one can't have everything ... > > > > Best regards, > > > WORK : Teagasc Staff Development Unit, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland > WWW : > Email: <@e...> > Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] > > HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland > WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm > Email: <@e...> > Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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