Guest guest Posted March 28, 2003 Report Share Posted March 28, 2003 Hi there. Still on the skin case: Mr. Hamill, I'd already referred the patient to a specialist on TCM dietetics, but as a first thing I recommended his leaving out of his diet grains and dairy, wich he did and obtained immediate improvements on his digestion and bowel activity. As to ginger tea, I would hesitate to recommend it on a case of such exuberant heat. Instead, had him take peppermint tea wich seemed to help a little at least where his digestion was concerned (feelings of repletion, borborigmus and pre-sleep agitation disappeared). Bobby: thanks for your interest. Below I am reproducing the original post - perhaps someone else missed it the first time and may yet get interested...it went like this: " HI folks. I got this case in my hands and thought to benefit from your experience, if you would be so kind as to advise me. Patient is male, 27. He has, basically, red, very itchy rashes all over his body. The worst areas are the arms where, at the elbows, there are larger red scabby areas that constantly drips clear, non-odorous liquid. Patient states that he's been " immune to cold " since he was a kid. Had a bad attack of the same pattern about 3 years ago, controlled with homeopathy+allopathic treatment. Both crisis coincided with periods of great anxiety and changes in his life. Eating mostly hot (red meat, bread, french fries etc) food. LI working only every 2-3 days. Pulses all fast, Stomach and GB tense and thin, Heart showing yin deficiency. I advised him to change his diet at once and referred him to a specialist in TCM dietetics, of wich I know only the basics. After eight sessions of acupuncture and dietary change the vivid red colour had subdued, becoming more rosy/purplish on the one hand, but the spots seemed to spread to the chest area. The dripping on the right arm ceased, but on the left remained unchanged. The itching diminished at first, then came back. It's important to notice that at about the time we begun treatment, weather has suddenly become unseasonably cold in Rio. We haven't had any winter temps below 20 Celsius (lol!) for the past three years and now it's 13 Celsius. The weekend this cold front came in, the patiend had an intense attack of fever with diarrhoea, wich subsided with antibiotics (prescribed in a hurry by his uncle, MD) after 2 days (of course he stuck to the full 7 -day treatment). He right now has a more normal body temperature, and is feeing some cold, much to the amazement of his familiars, the itching has somewhat subsided but on cold weather his skin usually itches, even outside the rash areas. I tought to cool blood and expel wind, using such points as fengmen, fengchi, shenmai, siguan (hegu/taichong) weizhong (bleeding) and quchi for wind and xuehai, sanyinjiao, geshu, xinshu, jueyin shu and ying-spring points to nourish and cool blood and treat heat in the whole body. Also fenglong, qiuxu and jianshi to resolve damp. I'd much appreciate your comments. " Thanks again, Daniel Luz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2003 Report Share Posted August 27, 2003 Dear Daniel, Well done on any improvement on a skin condition using acupuncture! It is hard enough to make a change on any Yin Xu/Heat condition using acupuncture alone, let alone one which manifests on the skin. Without wishing to replicate your thoughts, but wishing to confirm a TCM diagnosis, it sounds like Psoriasis, which also corresponds in 4 level diagnosis as Blood Heat, and Wind in the Blood Level. This can be due to an inherited tendency, or due to something as simple as the kind of vaccination he had as a child, introducing heat into the innermost level of the body. Both these things can ultimately be very much helped, along with the other heat symptoms, by the use of herbal formulae such as, for example, a Xiao Feng San variation. Also, Spleen 10 is the best point to cool blood. The success of herbal medicine on skin conditions is unsurpassed even with western steriods, especially when combined with acupuncture and lifestyle advice. Can you get hold of a book by Daverick Leggett on TCM and Food - perhaps on Amazon? This is a superb cookbook, and gives advice on recipies according to TCM diagnosis, as well as categorising food according to its energetic makeup. Hope this is of help, Naava Carman. > " Daniel Luz " <danielluzacupuntura >Chinese Medicine ><Chinese Medicine > > Skin condition & thanks >Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:18:07 -0300 > >Hi there. Still on the skin case: > >Mr. Hamill, I'd already referred the patient to a specialist on TCM >dietetics, but as a first thing I recommended his leaving out of his diet >grains and dairy, wich he did and obtained immediate improvements on his >digestion and bowel activity. As to ginger tea, I would hesitate to >recommend it on a case of such exuberant heat. Instead, had him take >peppermint tea wich seemed to help a little at least where his digestion >was >concerned (feelings of repletion, borborigmus and pre-sleep agitation >disappeared). > >Bobby: thanks for your interest. Below I am reproducing the original post - >perhaps someone else missed it the first time and may yet get >interested...it went like this: > > " HI folks. I got this case in my hands and thought to benefit from your >experience, if you would be so kind as to advise me. Patient is male, 27. >He >has, basically, red, very itchy rashes all over his body. The worst areas >are the arms where, at the elbows, there are larger red scabby areas that >constantly drips clear, non-odorous liquid. Patient states that he's been > " immune to cold " since he was a kid. Had a bad attack of the same pattern >about 3 years ago, controlled with homeopathy+allopathic treatment. Both >crisis coincided with periods of great anxiety and changes in his life. >Eating mostly hot (red meat, bread, french fries etc) food. LI working only >every 2-3 days. Pulses all fast, Stomach and GB tense and thin, Heart >showing yin deficiency. > > I advised him to change his diet at once and referred him to a specialist >in TCM dietetics, of wich I know only the basics. >After eight sessions of acupuncture and dietary change the vivid red colour >had subdued, becoming more rosy/purplish on the one hand, but the spots >seemed to spread to the chest area. The dripping on the right arm ceased, >but on the left remained unchanged. The itching diminished at first, then >came back. It's important to notice that at about the time we begun >treatment, weather has suddenly become unseasonably cold in Rio. We haven't >had any winter temps below 20 Celsius (lol!) for the past three years and >now it's 13 Celsius. The weekend this cold front came in, the patiend had >an >intense attack of fever with diarrhoea, wich subsided with antibiotics >(prescribed in a hurry by his uncle, MD) after 2 days (of course he stuck >to >the full 7 -day treatment). He right now has a more normal body >temperature, >and is feeing some cold, much to the amazement of his familiars, the >itching >has somewhat subsided but on cold weather his skin usually itches, even >outside the rash areas. > >I tought to cool blood and expel wind, using such points as fengmen, >fengchi, shenmai, siguan (hegu/taichong) weizhong (bleeding) and quchi for >wind and xuehai, sanyinjiao, geshu, xinshu, jueyin shu and ying-spring >points to nourish and cool blood and treat heat in the whole body. Also >fenglong, qiuxu and jianshi to resolve damp. I'd much appreciate your >comments. " > >Thanks again, >Daniel Luz > > _______________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 Would it be worthwhile to do some form of enema (but not colonic irrigation) to get the digestive system going (not often but maybe regularly). This of course once the effects of antibiotics are over and done with. Did not Dan Bensky make a loose comment that antibiotics " are " diuretics? Anyway I would be interested if people according to Chinese medicine use enemas of various sorts. My supervisor at the hospital She tend to prescribe some sort of coffee enemas in part to stimulate the vesicular billiard... I would like to develop here rhubarb enema any comments and or immediate cautions? As for herbs and the skin patient. In Brazil are Chinese herbs accessible? maybe: Da Huang Bai shao Yao Sheng di Fu Ling All in high doses... Not a formula per say (I think) but rather a fairly common base to be incorporated in to severe skin conditions... In England there is a person Named Mazin Al-Kafiji (spelling not sure of, apologies) he is very qualified both with regard to Chinese medicine and dermatology or skin conditions. Maybe he has some materials that might be useful for you? Marco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 Hi Marco > In England there is a person Named Mazin Al-Kafiji (spelling not sure of, apologies) Spelling is close enough :-)) It is Mazin Al-Khafaji and he is co- author with Peter Deadman and Kevin Baker of the great book " A Manual of Acupuncture " . Alwin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 In a message dated 8/28/2003 5:03:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, bergh writes: > In England there is a person Named Mazin Al-Kafiji (spelling not sure of, > apologies) > Mazin Al Khafaji .... just FYI, he is co-author of the " A Manual of Acupuncture " , commonly refered to as " the Deadman book " . Maya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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