[Chinese Traditional Medicine] RE: Diabetes - Syndrome X

[Guest guest]

> ** Perhaps you would like to explain this Jackie. You admit to the horse

> being castrated and then say " I never thought to mention it anywhere!? "

 

I never thought to mention the timing of the castration 'til you asked. The

fact that he is a gelding makes castration itself axiomatic.

 

> ** That is not a very flattering statement

 

It is simply the truth as far as I can see it. I see no shame in being

baffled by a very complex endocrine condition, it happens all the time in

the medical professions, and my excellent vet has no problem in admitting

it.

 

> ** Finally, the case does not have me " baffled " , since I identified the

> root cause of Yin deficiency due to castration in April!

 

Then why will you never answer MY questions to you? If inapropriately timed

castration is the root of the problem, then why did the horses female mother

have

the same problem, and why were symptoms of said yin deficiency evident seven

months before castration?

 

Jackie

[Guest guest]

Jackie,

 

You ask this question but it has already been answered in my previous post.

 

Sammy.

If

castration is the root of the problem, then why did the horses female mother

have

the same problem, and why were symptoms of said yin deficiency evident seven

months before castration?

 

Jackie

 

What you say about stress being transferred from mother to offspring may be

true. But have you ever considered that your horse may have been trying to

compensate hormone-wise for higher than normal corticosteroids by making

more androgens? There is a common pre-hormone cascade from cholesterol to

androgens in one branch and from cholesterol to corticosteroids in another

branch in human males & probably in male horses as well. Adaptogenic

processes in the young animal may have triggered higher testosterone levels

to pull the production away from corticosteroids and thereby enable growth.

Corticosteroids as you probably are aware tend to catabolism so any growing

animal in a permanent / inherited stressesd-catabolic state is going to

make adaptive changes to its hormonal mileau to facilitate normal growth. By

castrating the animal when it was in just such an adaptive state it has been

condemned to a life of permanent stress.

 

You evidently have not read above, and from which it is becoming

increasingly clear that further response to you on this subject is a waste

of time. I feel you have been less than open about your " complex quine

problem " - never having mentioned the phrase " gelding " throughout the whole

of 2003 until I asked about it in April. That is despite the dozens of

emails travelling back and forth on the subject.

 

What is considered standard practice in the horse community regarding

gelding is really immaterial: the fact this horse was unwell from the start

should have been ringing alarm bells and should have prompted you on every

occasion to ensure your correspondents had a clear idea of the animal's

history.

 

Goodbye.

 

Sammy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

jackie [Jackie]

28 August 2003 23:40

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Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] RE: Diabetes - Syndrome X

 

 

 

> ** Perhaps you would like to explain this Jackie. You admit to the horse

> being castrated and then say " I never thought to mention it anywhere!?

"

 

I never thought to mention the timing of the castration 'til you asked.

The

fact that he is a gelding makes castration itself axiomatic.

 

> ** That is not a very flattering statement

 

It is simply the truth as far as I can see it. I see no shame in being

baffled by a very complex endocrine condition, it happens all the time in

the medical professions, and my excellent vet has no problem in admitting

it.

 

> ** Finally, the case does not have me " baffled " , since I identified

the

> root cause of Yin deficiency due to castration in April!

 

Then why will you never answer MY questions to you? If inapropriately

timed

castration is the root of the problem, then why did the horses female

mother

have

the same problem, and why were symptoms of said yin deficiency evident

seven

months before castration?

 

Jackie

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

>Never having mentioned the phrase " gelding " throughout the whole

of 2003 until I asked about it in April.

 

It is in the very first line of his case history ie " 12 yo gelding " , always

has been. As I say, none of the vets or TCM professionals who have examined

or treated the horse, and requested or were given the full case history,

felt it relevant or remarked upon it in any way.

 

I do see that 'excess testosterone being produced as a compensation for

excess corticosteroids' is an interesting theory, but I do not see that as

the same theory as 'lack of testosterone/jing' being the root of the

problem, and the sole treatment solution.

 

I agree the discussion has become too emotive.

 

Jackie