skin disease and Milian's white atrophy

[Guest guest]

Hi Naava and everyone else.

 

Navaa, thanks for your remarks. And yes, I know that herbal medicine has

pride of place when it comes to treating this kind of condition. Thing is,

here in Brazil MD's won't allow any other kind of practicioner to prescibe

drugs or indeed any sort of medicine whatsoever. These guys are mean;

oriental traditional practitioners belonging to respectable associations in

Japan with more than 20 years practice in Brazil have been arrested and put

to jail for quackery and illegal practice of medicine. Beautiful, innit? I

was hoping however that the chinese dietetics+acupuncture+WM would do the

trick. If he doesn't recovers completely during the next week, I'll follow

your suggestion and refer him to a MD who works regularly with chinese

herbals/patents. Bbtw, patient condition has further improved this week as

he went into a new WM drug - sulphanilamide-based ones. God bless drugs that

work, whatever their origin! As to xuehai SP10, I've been using it along

with some other blood-coolers... does anyone has a favorite? I understand

blood cooling isn't exactly acupuncture's strongest point (no pun intended

.

 

Since you mentioned skin conditions being difficult to treat w/acupuncture,

let me tell you of this case I'm struggling with now. Let me ask your

forgiveness in advance for the long wind (a certain cause of dis-ease! and

the roundabout ways - my english isn't up to the task, really. So. Patient

is female, 38 yrs old. When she was 14, she had a cerebral aneurism wich

left her with a slightly impaired left side, specially the hand (contracted)

and the arm wich she can't raise above shoulder level or fully stretch. She

came to my office because of former patient wich I had treated of a bullet

wound (those famous Rio lost bullets!) wich had shattered his arm and left

his hand temporarily impaired. He had quite good results and there she was

on his recommendation to see if I could loosen up her hand. What called my

attention, however, was the very ugly state her feet were on: the skin was

humid, warm, blackened (yes, coal-black in places!), quite swollen and,

specially around the malleoli, cracked, showing bright red flesh beneath.

The left (impaired) foot was in worse state than the right. There were

numerous lesions resembling small craters on the dorsum of the feet. These,

upon closing, generated a stretched scarred tissue resembling burn lesions.

Up her shins the black/darkened skin gradually " petered out " in small

circular stains gradually to disappear mid-shins. The soles of her feet had

each a large light-purple stain around the arch of the foot (the only area

free of the stain would be what you'd see on a footprint, just the outer

part of the foot sole). It looked as if some blood had somewhat spilled

inside her feet. There were also numerous small congealed blood spots,

ranging from wine-coloured to black everywhere. These, she told me, would

eventually fall of, leaving a white lesion wich would then evolve to form

the crater-like lesions. After going to countless doctors (one even

recommended psychiatric treatment!!), she had a diagnosis of Milian's white

atrophy.

 

Well, I remebered the old CM saying " strange diseases all pertain to

phlegm " . Well they don't make 'em much stranger than that, and indeed we

could easily discern stagnation, humidity, heat and blood stasis. I thought

then to use good old xuehai sp10 et al and specially to try my hand at

moxibustion (sticks) to resolve damp. I must admit I was daunted by the

case, wich is considered an auto-immune disease without cure, control

treatment or even a very clear understanding of the causes themselves in WM.

To my amazement, in the next session the skin was noticeably less swollen

and were my eyes deceiving me or did it look less blackened too? I continued

for another week with moderately good results and proposed to the patient

that she have an extra session per week with intense moxibustion (with that

wood box with a grate at the bottom, are you familiar with that?). As a

result, now her right foot has virtually no lesions and is no longer

swollen, the black areas having completely disappeared, and its skin has

resumed its normal tonus and is no longer specially warm. The left one has

shown improvement too - swelling reduced also greatly, the cracked skin

around the malleoli is mostly closed and the blackened areas are definitely

clearing up. The mauve stain on the right foot sole is now spotted with

healthy-colored skin. On the left side we've obtained only a slight change.

Unfortunately, the congealed blood spots keep popping up and producing

lesions, though a few (20%?) now seem just to dissolve back into the

organism. They are not, it appears, related to the blackened skin areas -

they may pop anywhere.

 

I'm SO sorry I didn't think to take a picture of her feet when I began

treatment - if you actually saw the contrast between her condition before

and now, you'd be amazed. However, I'm far from convinced I'm doing anything

to really CURE this patient. Certes, she's very happy with the results, but

during a 3-month period when she felt she couldn't afford to come twice a

week anymore (despite my offering her very reduced fees - $10 per session -

so she'd not have to interrupt treatment) everything came back full force

after the second month. She went back to the 2 sessions per week schedule

and now we're yet better than before, thank God. So I think all in all

moxibustion is at least worth a try on Milian's white atrophy treatment. Any

comments or suggestions will be very much welcome.

 

Thanks for the time you took reading this ENORMOUS msg.

Daniel Luz

[Guest guest]

hi,

UTS has a TCM based masters program. plese contact UTS

on thier web site.

contact warren on Warren.Cochran

good luck

anand

 

 

--- Daniel Luz <danielluzacupuntura wrote:

> Hi Naava and everyone else.

>

> Navaa, thanks for your remarks. And yes, I know that

> herbal medicine has

> pride of place when it comes to treating this kind

> of condition. Thing is,

> here in Brazil MD's won't allow any other kind of

> practicioner to prescibe

> drugs or indeed any sort of medicine whatsoever.

> These guys are mean;

> oriental traditional practitioners belonging to

> respectable associations in

> Japan with more than 20 years practice in Brazil

> have been arrested and put

> to jail for quackery and illegal practice of

> medicine. Beautiful, innit? I

> was hoping however that the chinese

> dietetics+acupuncture+WM would do the

> trick. If he doesn't recovers completely during the

> next week, I'll follow

> your suggestion and refer him to a MD who works

> regularly with chinese

> herbals/patents. Bbtw, patient condition has further

> improved this week as

> he went into a new WM drug - sulphanilamide-based

> ones. God bless drugs that

> work, whatever their origin! As to xuehai SP10, I've

> been using it along

> with some other blood-coolers... does anyone has a

> favorite? I understand

> blood cooling isn't exactly acupuncture's strongest

> point (no pun intended

> .

>

> Since you mentioned skin conditions being difficult

> to treat w/acupuncture,

> let me tell you of this case I'm struggling with

> now. Let me ask your

> forgiveness in advance for the long wind (a certain

> cause of dis-ease! and

> the roundabout ways - my english isn't up to the

> task, really. So. Patient

> is female, 38 yrs old. When she was 14, she had a

> cerebral aneurism wich

> left her with a slightly impaired left side,

> specially the hand (contracted)

> and the arm wich she can't raise above shoulder

> level or fully stretch. She

> came to my office because of former patient wich I

> had treated of a bullet

> wound (those famous Rio lost bullets!) wich had

> shattered his arm and left

> his hand temporarily impaired. He had quite good

> results and there she was

> on his recommendation to see if I could loosen up

> her hand. What called my

> attention, however, was the very ugly state her feet

> were on: the skin was

> humid, warm, blackened (yes, coal-black in places!),

> quite swollen and,

> specially around the malleoli, cracked, showing

> bright red flesh beneath.

> The left (impaired) foot was in worse state than the

> right. There were

> numerous lesions resembling small craters on the

> dorsum of the feet. These,

> upon closing, generated a stretched scarred tissue

> resembling burn lesions.

> Up her shins the black/darkened skin gradually

> " petered out " in small

> circular stains gradually to disappear mid-shins.

> The soles of her feet had

> each a large light-purple stain around the arch of

> the foot (the only area

> free of the stain would be what you'd see on a

> footprint, just the outer

> part of the foot sole). It looked as if some blood

> had somewhat spilled

> inside her feet. There were also numerous small

> congealed blood spots,

> ranging from wine-coloured to black everywhere.

> These, she told me, would

> eventually fall of, leaving a white lesion wich

> would then evolve to form

> the crater-like lesions. After going to countless

> doctors (one even

> recommended psychiatric treatment!!), she had a

> diagnosis of Milian's white

> atrophy.

>

> Well, I remebered the old CM saying " strange

> diseases all pertain to

> phlegm " . Well they don't make 'em much stranger than

> that, and indeed we

> could easily discern stagnation, humidity, heat and

> blood stasis. I thought

> then to use good old xuehai sp10 et al and specially

> to try my hand at

> moxibustion (sticks) to resolve damp. I must admit I

> was daunted by the

> case, wich is considered an auto-immune disease

> without cure, control

> treatment or even a very clear understanding of the

> causes themselves in WM.

> To my amazement, in the next session the skin was

> noticeably less swollen

> and were my eyes deceiving me or did it look less

> blackened too? I continued

> for another week with moderately good results and

> proposed to the patient

> that she have an extra session per week with intense

> moxibustion (with that

> wood box with a grate at the bottom, are you

> familiar with that?). As a

> result, now her right foot has virtually no lesions

> and is no longer

> swollen, the black areas having completely

> disappeared, and its skin has

> resumed its normal tonus and is no longer specially

> warm. The left one has

> shown improvement too - swelling reduced also

> greatly, the cracked skin

> around the malleoli is mostly closed and the

> blackened areas are definitely

> clearing up. The mauve stain on the right foot sole

> is now spotted with

> healthy-colored skin. On the left side we've

> obtained only a slight change.

> Unfortunately, the congealed blood spots keep

> popping up and producing

> lesions, though a few (20%?) now seem just to

> dissolve back into the

> organism. They are not, it appears, related to the

> blackened skin areas -

> they may pop anywhere.

>

> I'm SO sorry I didn't think to take a picture of her

> feet when I began

> treatment - if you actually saw the contrast between

> her condition before

> and now, you'd be amazed. However, I'm far from

> convinced I'm doing anything

> to really CURE this patient. Certes, she's very

> happy with the results, but

> during a 3-month period when she felt she couldn't

> afford to come twice a

> week anymore (despite my offering her very reduced

> fees - $10 per session -

> so she'd not have to interrupt treatment) everything

> came back full force

> after the second month. She went back to the 2

> sessions per week schedule

> and now we're yet better than before, thank God. So

> I think all in all

> moxibustion is at least worth a try on Milian's

> white atrophy treatment. Any

> comments or suggestions will be very much welcome.

>

> Thanks for the time you took reading this ENORMOUS

> msg.

> Daniel Luz

>

>

>

>

 

=====

Anand Bapat

Pain Management Specialist

Sports Injury Specialist

Blacktown, Parramatta, Punchbowl, & Hammondville

0402 472 897

 

 

 

 

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