Guest guest Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 Does anyone here ever heard of the research done in japan about the 8 extraordinary vessel points? I heard that was a clinical research just about the use of these points. I am always interested in the background application of these 8 points. If anyone knows how to get to this research please contact me. Vanessa >> matt bauer <acu.guy wrote: Hi Marco, I have had good success treating childhood asthma although some cases are more chronic respiratory and sinus conditions that are misdiagnosed. I have had great success with an herbal formula called Autumn Tea Made by Traditions of Tao herb co. The principal ingredient is loquat leaf, others are lily bulb, armeniaca seed, crucligins seed, Mai Men Dong root, sophora fruit, Suan Zao seed, arbor vitae seed and oyster shell. This is a very mild formula that works great on kids. Acupuncture/pressure can be done at cv17, cv22, lu1 & 2, bl11,12 & 13 areas. As mentioned, some of these cases involve chronic post-nasal or other sinus conditions and these need to be addressed also. And in some cases stress is a serious factor. We tend to forget that kids can suffer stress also especially if there are family problems. Sorry for such a short note but gotta run. Matt Bauer - Marco Chinese Medicine Thursday, August 28, 2003 4:09 AM Re: discussions - asthma Yesterday someone asked me about asthma and children (which I have no real experience in treating, unfortunately). Anyway it was just a loose question how to prescribe something at long distance which I can not. However in this thread if anyone would not mind shearing case histories of asthma or difficult bereaving or wheezing and coughing in children both chronic and acute. Thanks in advance:-) Marco i agree with Anand. Here is some info on asthma taken from the files section of this group. Hope you find it intersting: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 Try Yoshio Manaka's work entitled " Chasing the Dragon's tail " , or Kiiko Matsumoto's " Extraordinary Vessels " as a good start. Good luck, Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME chusauli See my webpages at: http://www.chusaulei.com - Chinese Medicine Friday, August 29, 2003 7:27 PM 8 extra points research in Japan Does anyone here ever heard of the research done in japan about the 8 extraordinary vessel points? I heard that was a clinical research just about the use of these points. I am always interested in the background application of these 8 points. If anyone knows how to get to this research please contact me. Vanessa >> matt bauer <acu.guy wrote: Hi Marco, I have had good success treating childhood asthma although some cases are more chronic respiratory and sinus conditions that are misdiagnosed. I have had great success with an herbal formula called Autumn Tea Made by Traditions of Tao herb co. The principal ingredient is loquat leaf, others are lily bulb, armeniaca seed, crucligins seed, Mai Men Dong root, sophora fruit, Suan Zao seed, arbor vitae seed and oyster shell. This is a very mild formula that works great on kids. Acupuncture/pressure can be done at cv17, cv22, lu1 & 2, bl11,12 & 13 areas. As mentioned, some of these cases involve chronic post-nasal or other sinus conditions and these need to be addressed also. And in some cases stress is a serious factor. We tend to forget that kids can suffer stress also especially if there are family problems. Sorry for such a short note but gotta run. Matt Bauer - Marco Chinese Medicine Thursday, August 28, 2003 4:09 AM Re: discussions - asthma Yesterday someone asked me about asthma and children (which I have no real experience in treating, unfortunately). Anyway it was just a loose question how to prescribe something at long distance which I can not. However in this thread if anyone would not mind shearing case histories of asthma or difficult bereaving or wheezing and coughing in children both chronic and acute. Thanks in advance:-) Marco i agree with Anand. Here is some info on asthma taken from the files section of this group. Hope you find it intersting: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 Thanks for the information.I read both books, but I heard of this special research done in japan about the clinical application of the 8 extras. I am just curious . Vanessa >> --- Robert Chu <chusauli wrote: > Try Yoshio Manaka's work entitled " Chasing the > Dragon's tail " , or Kiiko Matsumoto's " Extraordinary > Vessels " as a good start. > > Good luck, > > Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME > chusauli > > See my webpages at: http://www.chusaulei.com > - > > Chinese Medicine > Friday, August 29, 2003 7:27 PM > 8 extra points research in Japan > > > Does anyone here ever heard of the research done > in japan about the 8 extraordinary vessel points? > I heard that was a clinical research just about > the use of these points. > I am always interested in the background > application of these 8 points. > If anyone knows how to get to this research please > contact me. > Vanessa > > >> > matt bauer <acu.guy wrote: > Hi Marco, > > I have had good success treating childhood asthma > although some cases are more chronic respiratory and > sinus conditions that are misdiagnosed. I have had > great success with an herbal formula called Autumn > Tea Made by Traditions of Tao herb co. The principal > ingredient is loquat leaf, others are lily bulb, > armeniaca seed, crucligins seed, Mai Men Dong root, > sophora fruit, Suan Zao seed, arbor vitae seed and > oyster shell. This is a very mild formula that works > great on kids. > > Acupuncture/pressure can be done at cv17, cv22, > lu1 & 2, bl11,12 & 13 areas. As mentioned, some of > these cases involve chronic post-nasal or other > sinus conditions and these need to be addressed > also. And in some cases stress is a serious factor. > We tend to forget that kids can suffer stress also > especially if there are family problems. Sorry for > such a short note but gotta run. > > Matt Bauer > - > Marco > Chinese Medicine > > Thursday, August 28, 2003 4:09 AM > Re: discussions - asthma > > > Yesterday someone asked me about asthma and > children (which I have no real experience in > treating, unfortunately). Anyway it was just a loose > question how to prescribe something at long distance > which I can not. > > However in this thread if anyone would not mind > shearing case histories of asthma or difficult > bereaving or wheezing and coughing in children both > chronic and acute. > > Thanks in advance:-) > > Marco > > > i agree with Anand. Here is some info on > asthma taken from the files section of this group. > Hope you find it intersting: > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2003 Report Share Posted September 1, 2003 Chinese Medicine , wrote: > > > Thanks for the information.I read both books, but I > heard of this special research done in japan about the > clinical application of the 8 extras. > I am just curious . > > Vanessa > There are a number of different approaches to EV in Japan, developed by people like Manaka, Ito, Miyawaki, Irie, Nawafune, Kawai, etc, etc... if you have some name(s) to put with the research, it might be helpful. Most of the approaches use some form of abdominal dx and " plus-minus " (magnets, IP, etc) techniques. robert hayden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2003 Report Share Posted September 1, 2003 > Hello Robert, the research was not attached to any of these masters. The only thing I heard was thatthe research was done using the 8 etras and was a full on immense clinical data just on those points. But I can't find out more about it. Vanessa >>> > Thanks for the information.I read both books, but I > heard of this special research done in japan about the > clinical application of the 8 extras. > I am just curious . > > Vanessa > There are a number of different approaches to EV in Japan, developed by people like Manaka, Ito, Miyawaki, Irie, Nawafune, Kawai, etc, etc... if you have some name(s) to put with the research, it might be helpful. Most of the approaches use some form of abdominal dx and " plus-minus " (magnets, IP, etc) techniques. robert hayden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2003 Report Share Posted September 1, 2003 Chinese Medicine , wrote: > > > > Hello Robert, the research was not attached to any of these masters. The only thing I heard was thatthe research was done using the 8 etras and was a full on immense clinical data just on those points. > > But I can't find out more about it. > > Vanessa > > Vanessa, Where did you hear about it? robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2003 Report Share Posted September 2, 2003 I heard in the PA-L group of acupuncture. Someone there mention this reseacrh done in Japan, I tried many times to post asking for any information, with no response. They direc me to read books about it. Where I did already. I use these points in almost every case I see . But I heard about this research and I am curious of whatelse they used this points for. Vanessa >>> kampo36 <kampo36 wrote: Chinese Medicine , wrote: > > > > Hello Robert, the research was not attached to any of these masters. The only thing I heard was thatthe research was done using the 8 etras and was a full on immense clinical data just on those points. > > But I can't find out more about it. > > Vanessa > > Vanessa, Where did you hear about it? robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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