Guest guest Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 Hi Holger, Could you describe the protocol [acupoints, session intervals, expected number of sessions, etc] to be used in the BL incontinence study? Will point selection be cookbook [say BL28 + CV03 + SP06 + BL23], or selected according to the TCM Pattern in individual cases? Do you intend to check for Irritation Foci (Trigger Points) on scars [esp in women who have had Caesarean sections or other abdominal/perineal surgery]? Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 Hi Phil. Thanks for your questions I intend tu use a mixed protocol, cookbook plus individual additions. and try to reduce the cookbook treatment to be as simple as possible CV03 I will most certainly use, possibly with moxa on the micropoint in the hand Spleen tonifying points as SP06, ST36 and possibly DU20, and bladdermeridian points and kidney tonifying points may be included in the point selection. but I want it as simple as possible My intention is to have a cookbok receipt + add individual points. Scars.. did not think of that.. of course! Well that should be one of the individual additions treatment once a week, sessions 3-6 I will instruct them to do some homework, moxa on hand at home or massage and also looking over lifestyle, rest, stress etc. never done a study like this, so I appreciate any advice I can get Holger Hi Holger, Could you describe the protocol [acupoints, session intervals, expected number of sessions, etc] to be used in the BL incontinence study? Will point selection be cookbook [say BL28 + CV03 + SP06 + BL23], or selected according to the TCM Pattern in individual cases? Do you intend to check for Irritation Foci (Trigger Points) on scars [esp in women who have had Caesarean sections or other abdominal/perineal surgery]? Best regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2003 Report Share Posted September 30, 2003 Hi All & Hi Holger, (1) My simplest Cookbook selection would be: (a) Mother Point of the WEAKEST Channel in any Sheng- or Ko- triangle found. For example, LU09 in a LU-KI-LV (Sheng) triangle, or SP02 in a SP-KI- HT (Ko) triangle, + (b) CV03 + BL28 + © KI07 or SP06 [they are so close together and so similar in their uses that I would not use them together; maybe alternate them OK] + (d) Trigger Points/sensitive scar points [if found]. (2) I would also query the role of FEAR, especially if the incontinence is nocturnal, and especially if it dates back to childhood. In my experience, ALL enuretic men [i have not treated enuretic women] had been abused mentally, physically or sexually as children. The father or an older brother was the abuser in all cases. Recall of the event(s), and recognition that the abuse had happened long ago, were the main factors in successful Tx outcome in those cases. Best regards, Phil >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Holger wrote: Hi Phil, I intend to use a mixed protocol, cookbook + individual additions and to reduce the cookbook treatment to be as simple as possible. CV03 I will most certainly use, possibly with moxa on the micropoint in the hand. Spleen tonifying points as SP06, ST36 and possibly GV20, and BL points and KI tonifying points may be included in the point selection. but I want it as simple as possible My intention is to have a cookbok receipt + add individual points. Scars.. did not think of that.. of course! Well that should be one of the individual additions. treatment once a week, 3-6 sessions. I will instruct them to do some homework, moxa on hand at home or massage and also looking over lifestyle, rest, stress etc. I appreciate any advice I can get. Holger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2003 Report Share Posted September 30, 2003 Highly appreciated, Thanks Phil I will definitely keep you informed on the progress Holger Hi All & Hi Holger, (1) My simplest Cookbook selection would be: (a) Mother Point of the WEAKEST Channel in any Sheng- or Ko- triangle found. For example, LU09 in a LU-KI-LV (Sheng) triangle, or SP02 in a SP-KI- HT (Ko) triangle, + (b) CV03 + BL28 + © KI07 or SP06 [they are so close together and so similar in their uses that I would not use them together; maybe alternate them OK] + (d) Trigger Points/sensitive scar points [if found]. (2) I would also query the role of FEAR, especially if the incontinence is nocturnal, and especially if it dates back to childhood. In my experience, ALL enuretic men [i have not treated enuretic women] had been abused mentally, physically or sexually as children. The father or an older brother was the abuser in all cases. Recall of the event(s), and recognition that the abuse had happened long ago, were the main factors in successful Tx outcome in those cases. Best regards, Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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