Guest guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 Hi all I wonder if you who have studied the Nei Jing can confirm if it mentions a pulse diagnostic method using two points in comparison, one located at ST-9 and the uther at LU-9. the method is used widely in Korean Hand Acupuncture to asses system excess and to verify the treatment. I use it myself and find it being a great method. My question once again. Is this mentioned in Huang di Nei Jing? Holger Wendt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:53:08 Holger Wendt <holger.wendt wrote: >I wonder if you who have studied the Nei Jing can confirm if it mentions a >pulse diagnostic method using two points in comparison, one located at ST-9 >and the uther at LU-9. One place is at the end of SuWen, Chapter 9 Here is the passage (in quotation marks is my word-for-word translation; out of quotation marks is paraphrased from comparing two published translations):: " Cause [of] RenYing [st9] 1-times abundant [or flourishing or raging], disease is ShaoYang; 2-times abundant, disease is TaiYang; 3-times abundant, disease is YangMing; 4-times abundant " is Yang escaping / rejected, not communicating with Yin. " CunKou [Lu9] 1-times abundant, disease is JueYin; 2-times abundant, disease is ShaoYin; 3-times abundant, disease is TaiYin; 4-times abundant " , Yin is collapsed / closed, can't communicate with Yang. RenYing and CunKou both 4-times abundant, is " guan ke " , obstructed; heaven and earth, pre- and post-natal JingQi are in a bad way -- death. <end of passage> One translation (by MaoShing Ni) interprets this as " When the carotid pulse is twice as large as normal, ....when the radial pulse is twice as large as normal... " The other translation (that I have at hand, by Andrew Wu and his father) interprets it as " When the RenYing pulse ... [is] one fold greater than the CunKou pulse.... When the CunKou pulse is one fold greater then the RenYing pulse.... " Note the major difference of interpretation here. Also that the original text (Wang Bing edition) does not explicitly state comparison of carotid and radial pulses. On the other hand, I think I have seen other translations or renditions interpreting this passage as comparing the two pulse locations. What does the text really say? (Or what was originally intended?) I'm a relative beginner at studying the NeiJing, and can't say one way or the other. Also there may be other passages in the NeiJing (SuWen) or in the ZhenJing (LingShu) which are more explicit. I'm not familiar with the whole books yet, and just happen to have recently read this chapter of SuWen. >the method is used widely in Korean Hand Acupuncture to asses system excess >and to verify the treatment. I do know that Dr. Tae-Woo Yoo, the author of KHT, back ca. 1972, also re-created a NeiJing carotid-radial pulse comparison technique in the 1990s, called " Yin-Yang Pulse diagnosis " . The passage quoted above is certainly based on Yin-Yang. Dan Lobash, who teaches and otherwise promotes KHT in the USA, once sent me an article (in translation) by Dr. Yoo on this pulse system, which would take me a while to dig out of my chaotic archives. The web site of Dan's company (http://www.khtsystems.com/) mentions the pulse method a couple of times. I'm not promoting KHT here, just pointing out sources. The NeiJing translations referred to above, by MaoShing Ni, and by Nelson and Andrew Wu, can be readily located on-line at Amazon.com (and probably at .co.uk or .de). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 P.S. There's another , named " PulseDiagnosis " , which probably has been brought up in this forum before (I'm relatively new here). Many people active in that forum are well versed in both pulse know-how and the classics. It's subscription email address is: PulseDiagnosis- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 Chinese Medicine , Holger Wendt <holger.wendt@t...> wrote: > Hi all > > I wonder if you who have studied the Nei Jing can confirm if it mentions a > pulse diagnostic method using two points in comparison, one located at ST-9 > and the uther at LU-9. > > the method is used widely in Korean Hand Acupuncture to asses system excess > and to verify the treatment. > I use it myself and find it being a great method. > > My question once again. Is this mentioned in Huang di Nei Jing? > > Holger Wendt Hi Holger, You can find Renying pulse (ST-9) mentioned in Suwen chap. 9, 46, 47, 59, 74 and 79, in relation with Cunkou (radial pulse), and Taiyuan pulse (LU-9) in Suwen chap. 69. But... you must read yourself Neijing. Also Nanjing and Zhenjiu jiayijing (at least). Otherwise... Confucius said once: " theory without practice is sterile, but practice without theory is criminal " . Yours, Laurentiu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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