Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illness

[Guest guest]

I've seen this before. Very very wrong. sounds like Eugenics in it's modern form.

 

Lynn

 

[Guest guest]

Somehow, when it comes to Bush, I'm not surprised at anything. I'm

not trying to be political here, but since Bush has come into office

our family has been struggling in many, many ways, and this is just

ONE MORE THING. (((sigh)))

 

Ella (ABB)

 

herbal remedies , " Doc Shillington "

<DocShillington@V...> wrote:

> Sorry to cross the political line folks, but President Bush just

crossed it himself by fucking with my Human Rights to be responsible

for my own mental health.

>

> In sadness and in anger,

>

> Doc

>

> Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D.

> 727-738-0554

> DocShillington@V...

[Guest guest]

You may be as political as you like in this instance. I opened this thread and made it FAIR GAME. If it gets outa hand - I'll close it.

 

The only reason I opened it is because it has to do with all of us. This affects each and everyone one of us.

 

My contention is that NO governing body has the right to interfere with my "Health" choices whether Physical or Mental. Period!!!

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.727-738-0554DocShillington

 

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Ella

herbal remedies

Sunday, June 20, 2004 5:02 PM

Herbal Remedies - Re: Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illness

Somehow, when it comes to Bush, I'm not surprised at anything. I'm not trying to be political here, but since Bush has come into office our family has been struggling in many, many ways, and this is just ONE MORE THING. (((sigh)))Ella (ABB)herbal remedies , "Doc Shillington" <DocShillington@V...> wrote:> Sorry to cross the political line folks, but President Bush just crossed it himself by fucking with my Human Rights to be responsible for my own mental health. > > In sadness and in anger,

[Guest guest]

Holy crap. I too cannot say that I am

surprised by this. The bush administration has been out of control for a long

time. It makes me sick that the evidence is there right in front of peoples

faces and still no one (but a select few) are willing to take a stand against

this man. People believe what they want to believe and they all think that bush

is in their best interest. If he isn’t stopped we are going to see dark

days ahead of us. The motto around our house is anyone but bush in 2004.

liz

 

 

 

 

 

Doc Shillington

[DocShillington]

Sunday, June 20, 2004 6:14

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To:

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Re: Herbal Remedies - Re:

Bush plans to screen whole US

population for mental illness

 

 

 

You may be as political as you like in this instance. I opened

this thread and made it FAIR GAME. If it gets outa hand - I'll close it.

 

 

 

 

 

The only reason I opened it is because it has to do with all of

us. This affects each and everyone one of us.

 

 

 

 

 

My contention is that NO governing body has the right to interfere with

my " Health " choices whether Physical or Mental. Period!!!

 

 

 

 

 

Love,

 

 

 

 

 

Doc

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I can not in good conscience vote for either Bush or Kerry. Bush has also supported legislation that increases the difficulty involved with suing a HMO. Kerry however, has said that he would like to stimulate the economy by providing more funding for childcare. Like we need more kids in daycare. His solutions have the same effect of the "cradle to grave" population control. That and he thinks that killing babies is ok. Quite frankly, both of them are bent on raping us of our civil rights and I can't wait to see the whole world go to hell. The Human Race will have to reinvent itself out of the ashes of it's own complacency. Just remember that when it all blows up in our face that I said it would be soon. My guess is within the next 5 years.

-Shelby

 

fyrespryte [fyrespryte]Sunday, June 20, 2004 9:14 PMherbal remedies Subject: RE: Herbal Remedies - Re: Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illness

 

Holy crap. I too cannot say that I am surprised by this. The bush administration has been out of control for a long time. It makes me sick that the evidence is there right in front of peoples faces and still no one (but a select few) are willing to take a stand against this man. People believe what they want to believe and they all think that bush is in their best interest. If he isn’t stopped we are going to see dark days ahead of us. The motto around our house is anyone but bush in 2004.

liz

 

 

 

 

 

Doc Shillington [DocShillington] Sunday, June 20, 2004 6:14 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Re: Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illness

 

 

You may be as political as you like in this instance. I opened this thread and made it FAIR GAME. If it gets outa hand - I'll close it.

 

 

 

The only reason I opened it is because it has to do with all of us. This affects each and everyone one of us.

 

 

 

My contention is that NO governing body has the right to interfere with my "Health" choices whether Physical or Mental. Period!!!

 

 

 

Love,

 

 

 

Doc

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Sounds more like an inroad to BioEthics to me.

 

JohnLynn <mrningdw wrote:

 

I've seen this before. Very very wrong. sounds like Eugenics in it's modern form.

 

Lynn

 

 

[Guest guest]

" fucking? " I am sorry, but I am offended by that word and am sure

others are also.

 

Marlene

Herbalists, Reiki Master

 

herbal remedies , " Doc Shillington "

<DocShillington@V...> wrote:

> Sorry to cross the political line folks, but President Bush just

crossed it himself by fucking with my Human Rights to be responsible

for my own mental health.

>

> Please note that it's not just the Republicans who've sold out

here. The Democrats have been bought out too, as you'll notice when

you see that Eli Lily et al have been contributing to both political

parties, albeit the lion's share has gone to the Republicans.

>

> Valorie and I will be supporting the Libertarians this coming

election if only as a protest. (I've always considered myself

apolitical and a " Responsible Anarchist " )

>

> We're losing it folks. This country is going down the tubes if we

don't do something about this, and do it quick. Even though it is

against list policies to discuss politics on HR, for the nonce, I am

opening up this thread and allowing it to continue while reserving

the right to shut it down at any time if discussions can not be kept

sane.

>

> The following article is enough to make me sick. If you love your

country; if you love your freedom; if you love your sanity and your

human rights; you'll fight this with everything you have. I am.

Both the Republicans and the Democrats have betrayed us, and we need

to take our country back.

>

> In sadness and in anger,

>

> Doc

>

> Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D.

> 727-738-0554

> DocShillington@V...

>

> BMJ 2004;328:1458 (19 June), doi:10.1136/bmj.328.7454.1458

> Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illness

> Jeanne Lenzer

>

> http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/328/7454/1458

>

> New York

>

> A sweeping mental health initiative will be unveiled by President

George W

> Bush in July. The plan promises to integrate mentally ill patients

fully

> into the community by providing " services in the community, rather

than

> institutions, " according to a March 2004 progress report entitled

New

> Freedom Initiative (www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/newfreedom/toc-

2004.html).

> While some praise the plan's goals, others say it protects the

profits of

> drug companies at the expense of the public.

>

> Bush established the New Freedom Commission on Mental Health in

April 2002

> to conduct a " comprehensive study of the United States mental

health service

> delivery system. " The commission issued its recommendations in July

2003.

> Bush instructed more than 25 federal agencies to develop an

implementation

> plan based on those recommendations.

>

> The president's commission found that " despite their prevalence,

mental

> disorders often go undiagnosed " and recommended comprehensive

mental health

> screening for " consumers of all ages, " including preschool children.

> According to the commission, " Each year, young children are

expelled from

> preschools and childcare facilities for severely disruptive

behaviours and

> emotional disorders. " Schools, wrote the commission, are in a " key

position "

> to screen the 52 million students and 6 million adults who work at

the

> schools.

>

> The commission also recommended " Linkage [of screening] with

treatment and

> supports " including " state-of-the-art treatments " using " specific

> medications for specific conditions. " The commission commended the

Texas

> Medication Algorithm Project (TMAP) as a " model " medication

treatment plan

> that " illustrates an evidence-based practice that results in better

consumer

> outcomes. "

>

> Dr Darrel Regier, director of research at the American Psychiatric

> Association (APA), lauded the president's initiative and the Texas

project

> model saying, " What's nice about TMAP is that this is a logical

plan based

> on efficacy data from clinical trials. "

>

> He said the association has called for increased funding for

implementation

> of the overall plan.

>

> But the Texas project, which promotes the use of newer, more

expensive

> antidepressants and antipsychotic drugs, sparked off controversy

when Allen

> Jones, an employee of the Pennsylvania Office of the Inspector

General,

> revealed that key officials with influence over the medication plan

in his

> state received money and perks from drug companies with a stake in

the

> medication algorithm (15 May, p1153). He was sacked this week for

speaking

> to the BMJ and the New York Times.

>

> The Texas project started in 1995 as an alliance of individuals

from the

> pharmaceutical industry, the University of Texas, and the mental

health and

> corrections systems of Texas. The project was funded by a Robert

Wood

> Johnson grant-and by several drug companies.

>

> Mr Jones told the BMJ that the same " political/pharmaceutical

alliance " that

> generated the Texas project was behind the recommendations of the

New

> Freedom Commission, which, according to his whistleblower report,

were

> " poised to consolidate the TMAP effort into a comprehensive

national policy

> to treat mental illness with expensive, patented medications of

questionable

> benefit and deadly side effects, and to force private insurers to

pick up

> more of the tab "

(http://psychrights.org/Drugs/AllenJonesTMAPJanuary20.pdf).

>

> Larry D Sasich, research associate with Public Citizen in

Washington, DC,

> told the BMJ that studies in both the United States and Great

Britain

> suggest that " using the older drugs first makes sense. There's

nothing in

> the labeling of the newer atypical antipsychotic drugs that

suggests they

> are superior in efficacy to haloperidol [an older " typical "

antipsychotic].

> There has to be an enormous amount of unnecessary expenditures for

the newer

> drugs. "

>

> Drug companies have contributed three times more to the campaign of

George

> Bush, seen here campaigning in Florida, than to that of his rival

John Kerry

>

> Olanzapine (trade name Zyprexa), one of the atypical antipsychotic

drugs

> recommended as a first line drug in the Texas algorithm, grossed

$4.28bn

> (£2.35bn; 3.56bn) worldwide in 2003 and is Eli Lilly's top selling

drug. A

> 2003 New York Times article by Gardiner Harris reported that 70% of

> olanzapine sales are paid for by government agencies, such as

Medicare and

> Medicaid.

>

> Eli Lilly, manufacturer of olanzapine, has multiple ties to the Bush

> administration. George Bush Sr was a member of Lilly's board of

directors

> and Bush Jr appointed Lilly's chief executive officer, Sidney

Taurel, to a

> seat on the Homeland Security Council. Lilly made $1.6m in political

> contributions in 2000-82% of which went to Bush and the Republican

Party.

>

> Jones points out that the companies that helped to start up the

Texas

> project have been, and still are, big contributors to the election

funds of

> George W Bush. In addition, some members of the New Freedom

Commission have

> served on advisory boards for these same companies, while others

have direct

> ties to the Texas Medication Algorithm Project.

>

> Bush was the governor of Texas during the development of the Texas

project,

> and, during his 2000 presidential campaign, he boasted of his

support for

> the project and the fact that the legislation he passed expanded

Medicaid

> coverage of psychotropic drugs.

>

> Bush is the clear front runner when it comes to drug company

contributions.

> According to the Center for Responsive Politics (CRP),

manufacturers of

> drugs and health products have contributed $764 274 to the 2004 Bush

> campaign through their political action committees and employees-far

> outstripping the $149 400 given to his chief rival, John Kerry, by

26 April.

>

> Drug companies have fared exceedingly well under the Bush

administration,

> according to the centre's spokesperson, Steven Weiss.

>

> The commission's recommendation for increased screening has also

been

> questioned. Robert Whitaker, journalist and author of Mad in

America, says

> that while increased screening " may seem defensible, " it could also

be seen

> as " fishing for customers, " and that exorbitant spending on new

drugs " robs

> from other forms of care such as job training and shelter

programmes. "

>

> But Dr Graham Emslie, who helped develop the Texas project, defends

> screening: " There are good data showing that if you identify kids

at an

> earlier age who are aggressive, you can intervene... and change

their

> trajectory. "

[Guest guest]

Then why did you repeat it???

There comes a time when politeness is not appropriate.

This is one of those times. When it comes to the Human Rights of Myself, my loved ones and my friends, politeness can take a back seat.

No apologies!

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.727-738-0554DocShillington

 

-

Marlene

herbal remedies

Monday, June 21, 2004 11:39 AM

Herbal Remedies - Re: Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illness

"fucking?" I am sorry, but I am offended by that word and am sure others are also.MarleneHerbalists, Reiki Masterherbal remedies , "Doc Shillington" <DocShillington@V...> wrote:> Sorry to cross the political line folks, but President Bush just crossed it himself by fucking with my Human Rights to be responsible for my own mental health. > > Please note that it's not just the Republicans who've sold out here. The Democrats have been bought out too, as you'll notice when you see that Eli Lily et al have been contributing to both political parties, albeit the lion's share has gone to the Republicans.> > Valorie and I will be supporting the Libertarians this coming election if only as a protest. (I've always considered myself apolitical and a "Responsible Anarchist")> > We're losing it folks. This country is going down the tubes if we don't do something about this, and do it quick. Even though it is against list policies to discuss politics on HR, for the nonce, I am opening up this thread and allowing it to continue while reserving the right to shut it down at any time if discussions can not be kept sane.> > The following article is enough to make me sick. If you love your country; if you love your freedom; if you love your sanity and your human rights; you'll fight this with everything you have. I am. Both the Republicans and the Democrats have betrayed us, and we need to take our country back.> > In sadness and in anger,> > Doc

[Guest guest]

i cant believe he( the pres.) would try to do something like that . he should be taking care of our troops.and maybe he should be the first in line for the mental evaluation, because if thats his first priority he has a few loose screws himself.

 

 

 

 

 

Doc Shillington <DocShillington wrote:

Then why did you repeat it???

There comes a time when politeness is not appropriate.

This is one of those times. When it comes to the Human Rights of Myself, my loved ones and my friends, politeness can take a back seat.

No apologies!

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.727-738-0554DocShillington

 

-

Marlene

herbal remedies

Monday, June 21, 2004 11:39 AM

Herbal Remedies - Re: Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illness

"fucking?" I am sorry, but I am offended by that word and am sure others are also.MarleneHerbalists, Reiki Masterherbal remedies , "Doc Shillington" <DocShillington@V...> wrote:> Sorry to cross the political line folks, but President Bush just crossed it himself by fucking with my Human Rights to be responsible for my own mental health. > > Please note that it's not just the Republicans who've sold out here. The Democrats have been bought out too, as you'll notice when you see that Eli Lily et al have been contributing to both political parties, albeit the lion's share has gone to the Republicans.> > Valorie and I will be supporting the Libertarians this coming election if only as a protest. (I've always considered myself apolitical and a

"Responsible Anarchist")> > We're losing it folks. This country is going down the tubes if we don't do something about this, and do it quick. Even though it is against list policies to discuss politics on HR, for the nonce, I am opening up this thread and allowing it to continue while reserving the right to shut it down at any time if discussions can not be kept sane.> > The following article is enough to make me sick. If you love your country; if you love your freedom; if you love your sanity and your human rights; you'll fight this with everything you have. I am. Both the Republicans and the Democrats have betrayed us, and we need to take our country back.> > In sadness and in anger,> > DocFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

 

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Marlene

herbal remedies

Monday, June 21, 2004 11:39 AM

Herbal Remedies - Re: Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illness

"fucking?" I am sorry, but I am offended by that word and am sure others are also.MarleneHerbalists, Reiki Masterherbal remedies , "Doc Shillington" <DocShillington@V...> wrote:> Sorry to cross the political line folks, but President Bush just crossed it himself by fucking with my Human Rights to be responsible for my own mental health. > > Please note that it's not just the Republicans who've sold out here. The Democrats have been bought out too, as you'll notice when you see that Eli Lily et al have been contributing to both political parties, albeit the lion's share has gone to the Republicans.> > Valorie and I will be supporting the Libertarians this coming election if only as a protest. (I've always considered myself apolitical and a "Responsible Anarchist")> > We're losing it folks. This country is going down the tubes if we don't do something about this, and do it quick. Even though it is against list policies to discuss politics on HR, for the nonce, I am opening up this thread and allowing it to continue while reserving the right to shut it down at any time if discussions can not be kept sane.> > The following article is enough to make me sick. If you love your country; if you love your freedom; if you love your sanity and your human rights; you'll fight this with everything you have. I am. Both the Republicans and the Democrats have betrayed us, and we need to take our country back.> > In sadness and in anger,> > Doc> > Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.> 727-738-0554> DocShillington@V...> > BMJ 2004;328:1458 (19 June), doi:10.1136/bmj.328.7454.1458 > Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illness > Jeanne Lenzer > > http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/328/7454/1458> > New York > > A sweeping mental health initiative will be unveiled by President George W> Bush in July. The plan promises to integrate mentally ill patients fully> into the community by providing "services in the community, rather than> institutions," according to a March 2004 progress report entitled New> Freedom Initiative (www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/newfreedom/toc-2004.html).> While some praise the plan's goals, others say it protects the profits of> drug companies at the expense of the public. > > Bush established the New Freedom Commission on Mental Health in April 2002> to conduct a "comprehensive study of the United States mental health service> delivery system." The commission issued its recommendations in July 2003.> Bush instructed more than 25 federal agencies to develop an implementation> plan based on those recommendations. > > The president's commission found that "despite their prevalence, mental> disorders often go undiagnosed" and recommended comprehensive mental health> screening for "consumers of all ages," including preschool children.> According to the commission, "Each year, young children are expelled from> preschools and childcare facilities for severely disruptive behaviours and> emotional disorders." Schools, wrote the commission, are in a "key position"> to screen the 52 million students and 6 million adults who work at the> schools. > > The commission also recommended "Linkage [of screening] with treatment and> supports" including "state-of-the-art treatments" using "specific> medications for specific conditions." The commission commended the Texas> Medication Algorithm Project (TMAP) as a "model" medication treatment plan> that "illustrates an evidence-based practice that results in better consumer> outcomes." > > Dr Darrel Regier, director of research at the American Psychiatric> Association (APA), lauded the president's initiative and the Texas project> model saying, "What's nice about TMAP is that this is a logical plan based> on efficacy data from clinical trials." > > He said the association has called for increased funding for implementation> of the overall plan. > > But the Texas project, which promotes the use of newer, more expensive> antidepressants and antipsychotic drugs, sparked off controversy when Allen> Jones, an employee of the Pennsylvania Office of the Inspector General,> revealed that key officials with influence over the medication plan in his> state received money and perks from drug companies with a stake in the> medication algorithm (15 May, p1153). He was sacked this week for speaking> to the BMJ and the New York Times. > > The Texas project started in 1995 as an alliance of individuals from the> pharmaceutical industry, the University of Texas, and the mental health and> corrections systems of Texas. The project was funded by a Robert Wood> Johnson grant-and by several drug companies. > > Mr Jones told the BMJ that the same "political/pharmaceutical alliance" that> generated the Texas project was behind the recommendations of the New> Freedom Commission, which, according to his whistleblower report, were> "poised to consolidate the TMAP effort into a comprehensive national policy> to treat mental illness with expensive, patented medications of questionable> benefit and deadly side effects, and to force private insurers to pick up> more of the tab" (http://psychrights.org/Drugs/AllenJonesTMAPJanuary20.pdf).> > Larry D Sasich, research associate with Public Citizen in Washington, DC,> told the BMJ that studies in both the United States and Great Britain> suggest that "using the older drugs first makes sense. There's nothing in> the labeling of the newer atypical antipsychotic drugs that suggests they> are superior in efficacy to haloperidol [an older "typical" antipsychotic].> There has to be an enormous amount of unnecessary expenditures for the newer> drugs." > > Drug companies have contributed three times more to the campaign of George> Bush, seen here campaigning in Florida, than to that of his rival John Kerry> > Olanzapine (trade name Zyprexa), one of the atypical antipsychotic drugs> recommended as a first line drug in the Texas algorithm, grossed $4.28bn> (£2.35bn; 3.56bn) worldwide in 2003 and is Eli Lilly's top selling drug. A> 2003 New York Times article by Gardiner Harris reported that 70% of> olanzapine sales are paid for by government agencies, such as Medicare and> Medicaid. > > Eli Lilly, manufacturer of olanzapine, has multiple ties to the Bush> administration. George Bush Sr was a member of Lilly's board of directors> and Bush Jr appointed Lilly's chief executive officer, Sidney Taurel, to a> seat on the Homeland Security Council. Lilly made $1.6m in political> contributions in 2000-82% of which went to Bush and the Republican Party. > > Jones points out that the companies that helped to start up the Texas> project have been, and still are, big contributors to the election funds of> George W Bush. In addition, some members of the New Freedom Commission have> served on advisory boards for these same companies, while others have direct> ties to the Texas Medication Algorithm Project. > > Bush was the governor of Texas during the development of the Texas project,> and, during his 2000 presidential campaign, he boasted of his support for> the project and the fact that the legislation he passed expanded Medicaid> coverage of psychotropic drugs. > > Bush is the clear front runner when it comes to drug company contributions.> According to the Center for Responsive Politics (CRP), manufacturers of> drugs and health products have contributed $764 274 to the 2004 Bush> campaign through their political action committees and employees-far> outstripping the $149 400 given to his chief rival, John Kerry, by 26 April.> > Drug companies have fared exceedingly well under the Bush administration,> according to the centre's spokesperson, Steven Weiss. > > The commission's recommendation for increased screening has also been> questioned. Robert Whitaker, journalist and author of Mad in America, says> that while increased screening "may seem defensible," it could also be seen> as "fishing for customers," and that exorbitant spending on new drugs "robs> from other forms of care such as job training and shelter programmes." > > But Dr Graham Emslie, who helped develop the Texas project, defends> screening: "There are good data showing that if you identify kids at an> earlier age who are aggressive, you can intervene... and change their> trajectory."Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

I think he's trying to divert the attention from what he's all about and that happens to be warfare and the burning of our civil rights. I think we should have taken saddam out, but that's because he's a evil SOB who tortures and murders millions of people. It's called a look-at-this-hand trick. He did the same thing with the whole lets go to Mars speal.

Unfortunately, Kerry is just as much of a bastard. He's bought and sold by the NEA who would love to force our children in to the worst of mental prisons, public school.

Picture this. You are in a battle. The opposing side has flanked you on the right and left. Bush is leading one advance and Kerry the other. Why is one general better than the other? BOTH OF THEM HAVE THE SAME OBJECTIVE. So talking about which advancing force is worse is moot because either way you're dead unless you recognize the enemy for what it is and you fight it.

-Shelby

 

isabel flores [kitty_cat486]Monday, June 21, 2004 8:48 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Re: Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illness

 

 

 

 

i cant believe he( the pres.) would try to do something like that . he should be taking care of our troops.and maybe he should be the first in line for the mental evaluation, because if thats his first priority he has a few loose screws himself.

 

 

 

 

 

Doc Shillington <DocShillington wrote:

Then why did you repeat it???

There comes a time when politeness is not appropriate.

This is one of those times. When it comes to the Human Rights of Myself, my loved ones and my friends, politeness can take a back seat.

No apologies!

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.727-738-0554DocShillington

 

-

Marlene

herbal remedies

Monday, June 21, 2004 11:39 AM

Herbal Remedies - Re: Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illness

"fucking?" I am sorry, but I am offended by that word and am sure others are also.MarleneHerbalists, Reiki Masterherbal remedies , "Doc Shillington" <DocShillington@V...> wrote:> Sorry to cross the political line folks, but President Bush just crossed it himself by fucking with my Human Rights to be responsible for my own mental health. > > Please note that it's not just the Republicans who've sold out here. The Democrats have been bought out too, as you'll notice when you see that Eli Lily et al have been contributing to both political parties, albeit the lion's share has gone to the Republicans.> > Valorie and I will be supporting the Libertarians this coming election if only as a protest. (I've always considered myself apolitical and a "Responsible Anarchist")> > We're losing it folks. This country is going down the tubes if we don't do something about this, and do it quick. Even though it is against list policies to discuss politics on HR, for the nonce, I am opening up this thread and allowing it to continue while reserving the right to shut it down at any time if discussions can not be kept sane.> > The following article is enough to make me sick. If you love your country; if you love your freedom; if you love your sanity and your human rights; you'll fight this with everything you have. I am. Both the Republicans and the Democrats have betrayed us, and we need to take our country back.> > In sadness and in anger,> > DocFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

 

 

Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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Doc Shillington For President!!!!

 

Whose with me?

I hate when I'm treated like a child who needs decisions made for me. The gov makes decisions on stuff they have NO right sticking their nose into. Example: If morons want to use herbs the wrong way and die from it I say let them. That's a few less morons out there. Natures way of weeding out the dopes.

 

I never vote for Pres. I've never liked any of the candidates. Last election I definately favored Bush, but he's turning out to be a real turd just like all those before him.

 

Candace

 

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Shelby Blakely

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Monday, June 21, 2004 12:22 PM

RE: Herbal Remedies - Re: Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illness

 

I think he's trying to divert the attention from what he's all about and that happens to be warfare and the burning of our civil rights. I think we should have taken saddam out, but that's because he's a evil SOB who tortures and murders millions of people. It's called a look-at-this-hand trick. He did the same thing with the whole lets go to Mars speal.

Unfortunately, Kerry is just as much of a bastard. He's bought and sold by the NEA who would love to force our children in to the worst of mental prisons, public school.

Picture this. You are in a battle. The opposing side has flanked you on the right and left. Bush is leading one advance and Kerry the other. Why is one general better than the other? BOTH OF THEM HAVE THE SAME OBJECTIVE. So talking about which advancing force is worse is moot because either way you're dead unless you recognize the enemy for what it is and you fight it.

-Shelby

 

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[Guest guest]

The question then was bush or Gore...even with all the voter fraud Gore couldn't win. in 2000 it was a way of kicking clinton out of office.

-Shelby

 

Candace Podratz [CandaceAndBrock]Monday, June 21, 2004 10:23 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Re: Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illness

Doc Shillington For President!!!!

 

Whose with me?

I hate when I'm treated like a child who needs decisions made for me. The gov makes decisions on stuff they have NO right sticking their nose into. Example: If morons want to use herbs the wrong way and die from it I say let them. That's a few less morons out there. Natures way of weeding out the dopes.

 

I never vote for Pres. I've never liked any of the candidates. Last election I definately favored Bush, but he's turning out to be a real turd just like all those before him.

 

Candace

 

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Shelby Blakely

herbal remedies

Monday, June 21, 2004 12:22 PM

RE: Herbal Remedies - Re: Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illness

 

I think he's trying to divert the attention from what he's all about and that happens to be warfare and the burning of our civil rights. I think we should have taken saddam out, but that's because he's a evil SOB who tortures and murders millions of people. It's called a look-at-this-hand trick. He did the same thing with the whole lets go to Mars speal.

Unfortunately, Kerry is just as much of a bastard. He's bought and sold by the NEA who would love to force our children in to the worst of mental prisons, public school.

Picture this. You are in a battle. The opposing side has flanked you on the right and left. Bush is leading one advance and Kerry the other. Why is one general better than the other? BOTH OF THEM HAVE THE SAME OBJECTIVE. So talking about which advancing force is worse is moot because either way you're dead unless you recognize the enemy for what it is and you fight it.

-Shelby

 

-----Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

I don't know what "BioEthics" is, but it sounds like an oxymoron to me - nothing the govt or chem/drug companies has done that's bio-related (ie, LIFE related) has been ethical at all!

 

Kelli

 

 

John Ybarra [deuteronomy2929] Monday, June 21, 2004 6:06 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illness

Sounds more like an inroad to BioEthics to me.

 

John

[Guest guest]

That's an EXCELLENT idea Candace!! I don't know that it would work in general, though - Doc is TOO SANE which would put off most of the population I think!LOL!

 

Honestly, though, I myself have friends and family who prefer that "they" take care of things for them - make the rules, tell them what to do, etc. Whether it's their boss, their spouse, their MD, their president, whatever. Then, of course, they have something to complain about!

 

We are a unique group here that wants to take control of our own health and well-being, not resigned to just taking a pill! LOL!

 

Kelli

 

 

Candace Podratz [CandaceAndBrock] Monday, June 21, 2004 11:23 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Re: Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illness

Doc Shillington For President!!!!

 

Whose with me?

I hate when I'm treated like a child who needs decisions made for me. The gov makes decisions on stuff they have NO right sticking their nose into.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the vote of confidence Candace, but being a Canuck, I could never be the Prez ;o)

As I said earlier, Valorie and I are supporting the Libertarians in this election if only as a protest.

Love,

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.727-738-0554DocShillington

 

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Candace Podratz

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Monday, June 21, 2004 2:22 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Re: Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illness

 

Doc Shillington For President!!!!

 

Whose with me?

I hate when I'm treated like a child who needs decisions made for me. The gov makes decisions on stuff they have NO right sticking their nose into. Example: If morons want to use herbs the wrong way and die from it I say let them. That's a few less morons out there. Natures way of weeding out the dopes.

 

I never vote for Pres. I've never liked any of the candidates. Last election I definately favored Bush, but he's turning out to be a real turd just like all those before him.

 

Candace

[Guest guest]

herbal remedies , " Doc Shillington "

<DocShillington@V...> wrote:

> Then why did you repeat it???

> There comes a time when politeness is not appropriate.

> This is one of those times. When it comes to the Human Rights of

Myself, my loved ones and my friends, politeness can take a back

seat.

> No apologies!

> Doc

 

 

Gotta agree with Doc on this one, and it is only a word folks. When

yet another thing like this comes to our attention it is really hard

to no get furious and actually, I would worry more about someone not

being infuriated by this than about the language used! This is yet

another invasion into territory where NO ONE has any right invading

our personal info and our very bodies. It is along the same lines as

John Ashcroft opening up the medical records of each and every woman

of childbearing age in this country to see if they had an abortion,

if so when, and if it was medically necessary. This is also in the

process of being enacted and if that doesn't piss you off more than

a word than something is wrong! sorry, just my opinion.

[Guest guest]

I have a friend that way. I worked with her and we had a boss who was VERY vague about what he wanted done and I LOVED it. He'd tell me "do this" and I'd go do it and I could do it however I wanted.

Meanwhile she was back asking 1,000 questions about every little detail "how do you want the fonthow may wordshow should the title be"

Ay yai yai. I wanted to scream "JUST DO IT!"

He told her to have a mind of her own and she got mad and couldn't figure out how to do something on her own. She quit eventually.

 

Candace

 

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Kelli Bever

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Monday, June 21, 2004 2:24 PM

RE: Herbal Remedies - Re: Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illness

 

That's an EXCELLENT idea Candace!! I don't know that it would work in general, though - Doc is TOO SANE which would put off most of the population I think!LOL!

 

Honestly, though, I myself have friends and family who prefer that "they" take care of things for them - make the rules, tell them what to do, etc. Whether it's their boss, their spouse, their MD, their president, whatever. Then, of course, they have something to complain about!

 

We are a unique group here that wants to take control of our own health and well-being, not resigned to just taking a pill! LOL!

 

Kelli

[Guest guest]

Very good point Cheryl.

I am never pissed off by people by what they say, as much as I am by what they DO.

Love,

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.727-738-0554DocShillington

 

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Cheryl

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Monday, June 21, 2004 4:13 PM

Herbal Remedies - Re: Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illnessGotta agree with Doc on this one, and it is only a word folks. When yet another thing like this comes to our attention it is really hard to no get furious and actually, I would worry more about someone not being infuriated by this than about the language used! This is yet another invasion into territory where NO ONE has any right invading our personal info and our very bodies. It is along the same lines as John Ashcroft opening up the medical records of each and every woman of childbearing age in this country to see if they had an abortion, if so when, and if it was medically necessary. This is also in the process of being enacted and if that doesn't piss you off more than a word than something is wrong! sorry, just my opinion.

[Guest guest]

This is just amazing. These people are not republicans. The people who now occupy the highest offices in the land are religious fanatics who if given the chance would make the taliban look good.

 

Keep in mind who you are voting for in the upcoming election. If you are republican, do not vote for the religious right.

 

JamesDoc Shillington <DocShillington wrote:

 

Very good point Cheryl.

I am never pissed off by people by what they say, as much as I am by what they DO.

Love,

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.727-738-0554DocShillington

 

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Cheryl

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Monday, June 21, 2004 4:13 PM

Herbal Remedies - Re: Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illnessGotta agree with Doc on this one, and it is only a word folks. When yet another thing like this comes to our attention it is really hard to no get furious and actually, I would worry more about someone not being infuriated by this than about the language used! This is yet another invasion into territory where NO ONE has any right invading our personal info and our very bodies. It is along the same lines as John Ashcroft opening up the medical records of each and every woman of childbearing age in this country to see if they had an abortion, if so when, and if it was medically necessary. This is also in the process of being enacted and if that doesn't piss you off more than a word than something is wrong! sorry, just my opinion.Federal Law

requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

My DH has been saying this would happen sooner or later. This goes

hand-in-hand with our opinion of the Pharmies and the medicos

collaberation with getting is all hooked on drugs. testing everyone

for mental illness would allow the govt the ability to asses who

among us is a threat to the " system " . I know my thought processes

and opinions of the govt have changed tremendously over the last 5

years. does that make me a candidate for mental therapy or

medication?

 

If you think about it, the general populous is using/addicted or

required to take some type of prescription medication in order to

function. These people are dependant on the " system " , they cannot

function without someone think for them, and would loose

their " quality of life " . Now this qulaity of life is not the one

that was intended for us, but more what the media and those who feed

it would like us to think it is. I have come to know many of you and

believe that we few are the enlightened because we dont buy into

the " system " . We dont need, Viagra, Nexium, Zoloft etc and our

children dont need Adderal, Ritalin etc. We just need the clean

lives that the creator intended.

 

Now in the eyes of some, this would be deviant and therefore we might

be deemed, mentally incompitent. SO is this could be an effort to

screen the likes of us, or others who buck the " system " out.

 

This is very scarry stuff indeed and i for one am glad to have this

brought to my attention and will consider what i can do to help

prevent this further Control over my so called human rights!

 

Sylvia

 

 

 

herbal remedies , " Doc Shillington "

<DocShillington@V...> wrote:

> You may be as political as you like in this instance. I opened

this thread and made it FAIR GAME. If it gets outa hand - I'll close

it.

>

> The only reason I opened it is because it has to do with all of

us. This affects each and everyone one of us.

>

> My contention is that NO governing body has the right to interfere

with my " Health " choices whether Physical or Mental. Period!!!

>

> Love,

>

> Doc

>

> Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D.

> 727-738-0554

> DocShillington@V...

> -

> Ella

> herbal remedies

> Sunday, June 20, 2004 5:02 PM

> Herbal Remedies - Re: Bush plans to screen whole US

population for mental illness

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Hold the phone, gotta take offense to the whole taliban thing. I'm pretty sure that bush does not want to kill women for publicly showing some hair. he does not want me to paint my windows black so nobody can see me. If my husband died and I had to support my kids, I would not be beaten for trying to beg for food for my starving kids. I think that by comparing the civil rights violations under bush to the BASIC HUMAN rights violations of the taliban you are undermining everything that those afflicted by the Taliban went through.

Bottom line. In America if anybody beats or kills me (including male family members) they go to jail or get the death penalty.

Bottom line in Taliban country. If anybody beats or kills me (including male family members) they are honorable men for protecting their family image and ego.

Am I wrong?

-Shelby

 

James [bigmuddie2001]Monday, June 21, 2004 1:14 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Re: Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illness

This is just amazing. These people are not republicans. The people who now occupy the highest offices in the land are religious fanatics who if given the chance would make the taliban look good.

 

Keep in mind who you are voting for in the upcoming election. If you are republican, do not vote for the religious right.

 

James

[Guest guest]

They can tell as many people as they want they need drugs; how many will

actually take them!?! I wouldn't! They'd have to lock me up somewhere and

force them on me!

 

Candace

 

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" Sylvia " <h10feet

<herbal remedies >

Monday, June 21, 2004 5:27 PM

Herbal Remedies - Re: Bush plans to screen whole US population for

mental illness

 

 

> My DH has been saying this would happen sooner or later. This goes

> hand-in-hand with our opinion of the Pharmies and the medicos

> collaberation with getting is all hooked on drugs. testing everyone

> for mental illness would allow the govt the ability to asses who

> among us is a threat to the " system " . I know my thought processes

> and opinions of the govt have changed tremendously over the last 5

> years. does that make me a candidate for mental therapy or

> medication?

>

> If you think about it, the general populous is using/addicted or

> required to take some type of prescription medication in order to

> function. These people are dependant on the " system " , they cannot

> function without someone think for them, and would loose

> their " quality of life " . Now this qulaity of life is not the one

> that was intended for us, but more what the media and those who feed

> it would like us to think it is. I have come to know many of you and

> believe that we few are the enlightened because we dont buy into

> the " system " . We dont need, Viagra, Nexium, Zoloft etc and our

> children dont need Adderal, Ritalin etc. We just need the clean

> lives that the creator intended.

>

> Now in the eyes of some, this would be deviant and therefore we might

> be deemed, mentally incompitent. SO is this could be an effort to

> screen the likes of us, or others who buck the " system " out.

>

> This is very scarry stuff indeed and i for one am glad to have this

> brought to my attention and will consider what i can do to help

> prevent this further Control over my so called human rights!

>

> Sylvia

[Guest guest]

I agree completely Cheryl! You go girl!!

 

Kelli

 

 

Cheryl [portable_kitten] Monday, June 21, 2004 1:13 PMherbal remedies Subject: Herbal Remedies - Re: Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illnessJohn Ashcroft opening up the medical records of each and every woman of childbearing age in this country to see if they had an abortion, if so when, and if it was medically necessary. This is also in the process of being enacted and if that doesn't piss you off more than a word than something is wrong! sorry, just my opinion.

[Guest guest]

Yep, we all know one or two - or two hundred! - people like that! LOL!

 

Kelli

 

 

Candace Podratz [CandaceAndBrock] Monday, June 21, 2004 1:15 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Re: Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illness

He told her to have a mind of her own and she got mad and couldn't figure out how to do something on her own. She quit eventually.