Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 DH and I ran into a couple at the local HFS that read in some local holistic newspaper about the Shultz Liver/GB Cleanse and were about to do the same thing. We refered them here and told them they'd get alot better results if they did IC #1 and #2 first but i dont know if they ever checked the site or logged in here for support. I know Dr Shulze has some good formula's and not meaning any disrespect, but it seems as though this is somewhat irresponsible? Some people have serious health problems and without support from a group or under direct supervision of an ND seems they could cause other problems. The couple we met has several issues each, some similar to ones i had and we told them about my sucess and that it was due to the " entire " program and the support here. This is not the first article of this type that i have seen either. As I am writing this i am wondering if that peoiple who try half or part of a program such as this and then fail or get other symptoms relate the failure to natural or Herbal medicine rather than the fact that they needed supervision. Sylvia herbal remedies , " Candace Podratz " <CandaceAndBrock@w...> wrote: > MessageI was just poking around in Dr. Schulze's herbal catalog and it mentioned the need to do a liver/gallbladder cleanse each season change. > Never said anything about doing a colon cleanse first. I didn't know it was necessary at the time! > > Candace > - > Kelli Bever > herbal remedies > Monday, May 17, 2004 4:37 PM > RE: Herbal Remedies - Re: juice cleanse ??? > > > Ah, yeah, this conversation's been done before, right? Refresh my memory. Why didn't you do the intestinal cleanse? > > Kelli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 The thing about Dr. Schulze is he sends out newsletters with specials on his products from time to time. One month it'll be the liver cleanse and he'll go on about how you NEED to do the liver cleanse. I think it was two months after I did the liver cleanse I got his newsletter about a special on IC # 1 and 2. But it still never mentioned (that I saw) doing it before any other cleanse. NOW I know to clean my bowel first thanks to you guys/gals! I, personally, think he should put a PARAGRAPH at least at the beginning of the cleanse description about not doing a liver cleanse until a colon cleanse is done FIRST. I got great results from doing the liver cleanse but it would have been a big disaster if I wouldn't have been regular while doing it. Candace - " Sylvia " <h10feet <herbal remedies > Monday, May 17, 2004 6:09 PM Herbal Remedies - Re: juice cleanse /liver Cleanse??? > DH and I ran into a couple at the local HFS that read in some local > holistic newspaper about the Shultz Liver/GB Cleanse and were about > to do the same thing. We refered them here and told them they'd get > alot better results if they did IC #1 and #2 first but i dont know if > they ever checked the site or logged in here for support. I know Dr > Shulze has some good formula's and not meaning any disrespect, but it > seems as though this is somewhat irresponsible? > > Some people have serious health problems and without support from a > group or under direct supervision of an ND seems they could cause > other problems. The couple we met has several issues each, some > similar to ones i had and we told them about my sucess and that it > was due to the " entire " program and the support here. This is not > the first article of this type that i have seen either. > > As I am writing this i am wondering if that peoiple who try half or > part of a program such as this and then fail or get other symptoms > relate the failure to natural or Herbal medicine rather than the fact > that they needed supervision. > > Sylvia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 <<<As I am writing this i am wondering if that people who try half or part of a program such as this and then fail or get other symptoms relate the failure to natural or Herbal medicine rather than the fact that they needed supervision.>>> Bingo, Sylvia. This happens a lot but most times these people have been told the whole story but choose the quick fix, like the couple you talked to. They’ve been told but did they do it? probably not. That’s when alternative methods get a bad rap. People are just lazy <sigh> I just went over to Dr. Schulz’s site (curezone). He makes it very clear that you need to do the bowel cleanse before the liver cleanse and continue it during the liver cleanse: IMPORTANT NOTICE: You must complete the 2-week bowel detoxification and rebuilding program using Intestinal Corrective Formulae #1 and #2, and CONTINUE taking #1 & #2, while completing this program. Alternate this Kidney Cleanse Program with the 5 Day Liver Cleansing and Detoxification Program. Could it be any clearer?????????? Where did you get your info, Candace? You should alert the people that they are being irresponsible by not telling you about the entire program. Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 <<<<I, personally, think he should put a PARAGRAPH at least at the beginning of the cleanse description about not doing a liver cleanse until a colon cleanse is done FIRST.>>>> Candace: You should absolutely alert the publishers of this. This is the type of thing the medicos, FDA, FTC, etc. love to jump on and shut them down completely. Not good. You would be doing them a favor. If you don’t want to do it, send the newsletters to me and I’ll do it!! Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Dr Schulze's official site isn't curezone. It's www.800herbdoc.com His whole catalog is online there. The page that talks about the liver/gallbladder flush is http://www.800herbdoc.com/p34.asp It says nothing about taking IC #1 and 2 during or before. It's an exact copy of the catalog I got. Candace - DrCrandall herbal remedies Monday, May 17, 2004 8:34 PM RE: Herbal Remedies - Re: juice cleanse /liver Cleanse??? Could it be any clearer?????????? Where did you get your info, Candace? You should alert the people that they are being irresponsible by not telling you about the entire program. Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Ay yai yai. I whipped out my catalog and when you start reading about the IC#1 it says it should be your first step. But I didn't read that since I was looking for a liver cleanse, not a poop enhancer. LOL I guess if you read the catalog from beginning to end you see what you should do first. Candace - DrCrandall herbal remedies Monday, May 17, 2004 8:40 PM RE: Herbal Remedies - Re: juice cleanse /liver Cleanse??? <<<<I, personally,think he should put a PARAGRAPH at least at the beginning of the cleansedescription about not doing a liver cleanse until a colon cleanse is doneFIRST.>>>> Candace: You should absolutely alert the publishers of this. This is the type of thing the medicos, FDA, FTC, etc. love to jump on and shut them down completely. Not good. You would be doing them a favor. If you don’t want to do it, send the newsletters to me and I’ll do it!! Anna Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 I'm sure that's absolutely true, Sylvia. Or people that go back to their "old ways" after a cleanse and then blame the results on herbal, or.... Anyway, it's very easy for us to blame others for our own irresponsibility. I think we need a big educational campaign to clear up the misconceptions about herbal medicine in the minds of the general public and especially legislatures. Silly decisions are being made because of lack of information and/or false information. Very sad. OK, I'm done rambling for now! LOL! Kelli Sylvia [h10feet] Monday, May 17, 2004 4:09 PMherbal remedies Subject: Herbal Remedies - Re: juice cleanse /liver Cleanse???i am wondering if that peoiple who try half or part of a program such as this and then fail or get other symptoms relate the failure to natural or Herbal medicine rather than the fact that they needed supervision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Thank you Candace for the info on Dr. Schultz’s website. I am going to look it all over and be in touch with them. You’re right, the liver cleanse info says nothing about detoxing the colon first. This is very irresponsible. I’ll let y’all know what kind of response comes from them. Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 <<<<<<But I didn't read that since I was looking for a liver cleanse, not a poop enhancer. LOL I guess if you read the catalog from beginning to end you see what you should do first.>>>>> That’s true but we’re all human and I as I’m sure most people do, tend to skim and focus on what I’m wanting IE a liver cleanse, etc. Something should be said in the liver cleanse about doing the colon cleanse first, regardless of where else it may be mentioned in any material about cleanses. Again, they are being very irresponsible and this is the type of thing our gracious <sneer> imperial government looks for to shut them down and make alternative methods look bad. Believe me, I know, they’re still trying to do it to Chiropractic. The FTC is especially draconian. Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 <<<I think we need a big educational campaign to clear up the misconceptions about herbal medicine>>>> Wouldn’t that be a wonderful thing. The problem is, as I’m sure you know, the only ‘folks’ <gag> that have enough money for this are the drug companies and they’re busy covertly infiltrating the vitamin/herbal manufacturers/vendors in order to destroy them. Good thing I’m taking garlic and cayenne as my BP (blood pressure) would be way up after responding to this few post <J> Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 You're such a bulldog Anna! That's great! Keep us posted! :)Kelli DrCrandall [drcrandall] Tuesday, May 18, 2004 8:19 AMherbal remedies Subject: RE: Herbal Remedies - Re: juice cleanse /liver Cleanse??? I’ll let y’all know what kind of response comes from them. Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 I don't know if I'd bother or not Anna. Schulze has pretty much gone off the deep end. In his winter 2001 Newsletter he put the entire blame for 9/11 on Organized religion and even slamdunked the Mormons (the religion of his mentor Doc Christopher). Furthermore, he's really gotten hot and heavy into promoting sex and porn crap. A very good friend of mine who has done PR for his company was invited to Schulze's Christmas party last Dec, at his home in CA, and it was "Come Nude". I used to promote him quite avidly as being an intense natural healer, but then I fully disconnected from him a couple of years ago after his vicious attack against all the major religions of the world. I won't have anything to do with the man any more. Personally I feel it's a shame, but he's lost it. He just don't listen no more. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.727-738-0554DocShillington - DrCrandall herbal remedies Tuesday, May 18, 2004 11:19 AM RE: Herbal Remedies - Re: juice cleanse /liver Cleanse??? Thank you Candace for the info on Dr. Schultz’s website. I am going to look it all over and be in touch with them. You’re right, the liver cleanse info says nothing about detoxing the colon first. This is very irresponsible. I’ll let y’all know what kind of response comes from them. Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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