HAVE DU WILL TRAVEL: An Interview With Major Doug Rokke

[Guest guest]

http://lonestaricon.com/2006/Archives/09/news09.htm

 

 

 

 

 

February 28, 2006 7:39 PM

HAVE DU WILL TRAVEL

 

 

`There ain't no buck stopping anywhere.'

An Interview With Major Doug Rokke

 

By W. Leon Smith

EDITOR-IN-CHIEF

 

ICONOCLAST: We're doing a story about the release that's coming out

March 1 . . .

 

ROKKE: Chris Busby's work.

 

ICONOCLAST: Right. What's your take on it.

 

ROKKE: Brian Spratt's comment in The London Times — he's from the

Royal Acadamey of Sciences — he said if anything it was the stir-up of

the natural uranium from the shock and awe. That's crazy. If there was

that much there to begin with, it got there because we dumped it there.

 

Some other British Ministry of Defense people said that this was

released from the nuclear power plants.

 

As you're totally aware, nuclear power plants don't have that stuff to

release. It is totally encased in the power rods. That's also

absolutely nuts.

 

When you look at it, it is extremely important to note that the use of

uranium munitions is absolutely confirmed. It is thoroughly confirmed

that they're absolutely refusing to comply with the Army regulations

to clean it up. They're simply refusing to comply with the orders and

mandates that regulate medical care, not only for the U.S. troops, but

for all the coalition forces, and up and beyond that by the Geneva

Convention, all the Iraqis and all the civilians. That's not just

Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Afghanastan, or the Balkans, but here in

the United States.

 

I think what was so funny is that the story broke from Chris Busby's

work, where they're measuring the high concentrations. Now, if they're

measuring the concentrations there in England, there's no doubt that

it is all the way across the continent, which is extremely important.

That goes back to even more emphasis on cleaning up the contanimation

as is required by the regulation. And the same thing, even more

important, for the medical care.

 

When you read the story in The London Times, and Brian Spratt says

from shock and awe they stirred up all this stuff, natural uranium is

at parts per million. That's like one grain of pepper in a salt

shaker. With the DU, we've used thousands of tons over there and its

scattered all over the place. On-site measurements verify that. Still

photography verifies it. Live video verifies it. All you have to do is

watch this stuff on the evening news when they're hitting anything

because the DU signature is absolutely distinctive. There is nothing

like it. You can see from the Bunker Busters and everything else and

all that's fired from the tanks, it's just absolutely crazy.

 

Now, what was really interesting yesterday, the Army just ordered $38

million worth of DU munitions from Allied Tech up in Minneapolis.

That's 120 mm round, 829. This stuff is awesome. I've used the 829

round, it's absolutely awesome.

 

ICONOCLAST: In what regard?

 

ROKKE: It's a DU round. It just literally destroys everything. It's a

120 mm round, over 4,700 grams, incredible velocities. It just

destroys everything. Now, there are no targets left in Iraq. We

haven't had any armored targets in Iraq. We haven't had any, so why

would they be ordering millions and millions of dollars worth of

munitions, except to invade Iran. That's the only reason they'd be

doing that stuff. We've absolutely verified that they've shot up

apartment buildings, they've shot cars and trucks, they're shooting

anything they can. If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, shoot

it, too, and use DU because it's a weapon of choice. It is that good.

 

ICONOCLAST: Are they at the point now that cleanup would be impossible?

 

ROKKE: It was from the beginning. They never cleaned up the highway of

death that's all around Basra. They just didn't do it and they didn't

do the medical care. All the orders for medical care have absolutely

just been totally ignored. The VA, and it should be coming out with a

new publication, but the VA publishes a thing called " Gulf War

Review. " Volume 13, No. 1, on page 12 was published last spring so

it's a year or so old. They acknowledged that in 14 years they had

only tested 270 people. I had over 400 names submitted personally.

 

Now you look at Chris Busby's work. He is an incredible scientist. He

is absolutely sound, solid.

 

ICONOCLAST: What do you think about the delay in getting the numbers

because of the government not releasing those?

 

ROKKE: The government is not going to release that. They're not going

to acknowledge using this stuff. The government is not going to

acknowlege the environmental effects. They have no intention of it.

The fact that they just and went and bought 38 million more dollars of

ammo just absolutely verifies and proves it. You know, Karen Parker

has done work as far as illegal use of uranium munitions. In the stuff

that we did it absolutely verifys it and Karen Parker's work in the

United Nations shows this stuff is illegal.

 

When you go to the common task right now, it states point blank that

it makes food and water unusable. Well, you can't do that. You can't

clean it up.

 

In 1995, we released a report we had started in 1992, back when we got

the task, and in December of 1992, a guy named Walker, assistant

Secretary of the Army, told us at that time to figure out ways that

would reduce the toxicity and DU so it could be used. Obviously, you

can't do that. It's impossible, but they don't give a flying rat's

ass.You've got everything going around and around. The guy from your

hometown down there knows perfectly well this stuff is dangerous. He

knows what the orders and the regulations are. He is the

commander-in-chief of the military. Yet he's not enforcing the

mandatory medical care. He's not enforcing the mandatory environmental

remediation. Now, you've got contamination measurements as far away as

England. This means you have to have incredible contamination figures

all over the place. This stuff is not like playing checkers, where you

can hop, skip, and jump a space.

 

ICONOCLAST: Anywhere in between there and London and beyond?

 

ROKKE: In all directions. It has to be. We know that gross

contanimation exists in Iraq. That's a given. We've got the videos.

We've got the on-site measurements. The military has acknowledged that

and has not cleaned it up. The key thing is we now have additional

evidence of confirmed contamination, which we already knew. But, the

consequences of the refusal to comply with the environmental

remediation and medical care have now resulted in contamination all

over the place.

 

That's absolutely unacceptable.

 

Now, with this big new purchase of DU ammo, it's sort of like what is

going on here? To me, and I have to look at it from a military point

of view, for Gulf War II we started planning back in `95, was

thoroughly ready to go, and they finally implemented it.

 

They just had to have justification to scare the population and do it,

okay?

 

It had nothing to do with 9-11 or terrorism or anything else. It was

just strickly, we're gonna do it, you know, for oil shit. So you've

got all of that stuff and then you're using it where there are no real

targets. They called for it and now we've got it all over.

 

I've got video, I mean I've got entire apartment buildings that were

totally destroyed with DU munitions, civilian apartment buildings. The

Army officers on tape refusing to clean it up. Someone needs to ask

the president if he intends to enforce the law.

 

You've got to have some sort of accountability.

 

We had gotten fed up the the Clinton administration and so we went

over to the Bush side, hoping for improvement. It all fell apart

completely. It just fell apart.

 

ICONOCLAST: Why do you think it fell apart?

 

ROKKE: Cheney.

 

ICONOCLAST: His influence?

 

ROKKE: Completely. When you look at this stuff, you've got everybody

lying through their teeth. You've got everybody lying through their

teeth and ignoring everything.. Georgie Bush didn't know what was

going on. Cheney has always been there. Cheney was there when we did

those no bid contracts with Haliburton per Madelyn Albright back in

`92, -93. I've still got those things.

 

If you look at everything with Haliburton and with KBR,, total misuse

of funds. They're billing for stuff that they're not doing. They can't

account for anything.

 

To me this is just symptomatic. Total carelessness. Total disregard

for everything.

 

Army regulations have the force of U.S. law.

 

On the medical care order, Ron Peak ordered that medical care. Colonel

Bobbing, according to the order, that supposed to make it happen.

 

I was born back in the time when Harry Truman said the buck stops

here. Well, there ain't no buck stopping anywhere. The buck is getting

blown all over the place.