Guest guest Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 My grandson is eight months old. He is underweight, and has no teeth. His mother nurses him. His mother is a vegan. He also eats solid foods - 4 oz jars 3 times a day. He usually only eats fruits and vegetables. My daughter also gives him 2 tbsp of oatmeal in a day. Are there any other foods that will help him gain weight and his teething problems. Also he does not sleep through the night and nurses 4-5 times at night. Is there anything else that we can give him to help with his weight and teething problem and help him sleep through the night. Any suggestions would be highly appreciated. Regards. Tulu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 Walnuts, black beans, black rice, black sesame (ask me how to prepare) and possibly red grapes, as they have a great deal of qi. Get organic, of course. These foods all promote foundational essence, which also is manifest in tooth and bone development. Chinese sea cucumber is pure essence, but it's like $300.00/lb, if you can find it. There's more, but I've been drinking all night. Ask me again later. LOL. RASPBERRIES. And/or raspberry tea. Don't sweeten with honey. Children under 3 should never have honey, as it contains spores which they have no immunity to. ( " To which they have no immunity. " ) Also Royal Jelly, despite promoting foundational essence, is contraindicated for this reason. Take it yourself, but don't give it to grandson until he's at least 3. Preferably older. Seriously, organic has like 85% more essence and nutrients than GM. And if it's not organic, it's GM. Chinese woflberry. Goji. tulu 489 wrote: > My grandson is eight months old. He is underweight, and has no teeth. His mother nurses him. His mother is a vegan. He also eats solid foods - 4 oz jars 3 times a day. He usually only eats fruits and vegetables. My daughter also gives him 2 tbsp of oatmeal in a day. Are there any other foods that will help him gain weight and his teething problems. Also he does not sleep through the night and nurses 4-5 times at night. > Is there anything else that we can give him to help with his weight and teething problem and help him sleep through the night. Any suggestions would be highly appreciated. > > Regards. > > Tulu > > > > > --- > > Post message address: Chinese Traditional Medicine > http://health.Chinese Traditional Medicine/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 Are nuts safe for a child that young?� Fear of allergies. � Tanya � --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Mercurius Trismegistus <magisterium_magnum wrote: Mercurius Trismegistus <magisterium_magnum Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Infant food Chinese Traditional Medicine Saturday, September 6, 2008, 11:33 PM Walnuts, black beans, black rice, black sesame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 Tanya7774 wrote: > I think just keep offering him the solids, maybe increas the amount if he is still hungry after the first jar, and as much milk as he would like. She may want to offer even more solids and maybe even finger foods that dissolve. How about some soy yogurt, mashed avocado or mashed beans? Then he is getting some protein and staying within moms vegan choice. I don't think that there are any problems with his teeth. They will come in when they're good and ready. My son didn't get any until he was 9 months old and then they seemed to all come in at once, and not in the regular pattern. > If the peditrician, and mom, isn't worried I don't think you should be. > He probably won't sleep through the night until mom decides she wants to wean him from those night feedings. If he's use to getting up and she offers it, he will take it. I know cause I did the same thing. My son didn't sleep though the night until after 18mo and he was fully weaned by then but still got up 1-2 times out of habit and I slowly had to wean him from the middle of the night bottle. > Tanya > MT: Well there are foods that promote foundational essence, according to Traditional , Dietary Therapy. Soy has alot of estrogen, as I understand it. Problems sleeping through the night could be heart heat due to foundational deficiency, or any number of patterns. It is impossible to say without actually seeing the child. Try to encourage foundational essence to avoid deficiency heat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 Tanya7774 wrote: > Are nuts safe for a child that young?� Fear of allergies. > � > Tanya > � MT: Generally, unless there is hereditary history there. Stay away from peanuts, if you're afraid of allergies. Walnuts are where it's at, in TCM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 Hi Tulu, What was his height and weight at birth? How long was he in utero? Has your daughter breatfed? Is there a history of any illness? What have the doctors said about his weight? There are lots of ways to address this but more info is needed. Where geographically is his family located? God (of your understanding) Bless Pete - tulu 489 Chinese Traditional Medicine Sunday, September 07, 2008 1:11 AM [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Infant food My grandson is eight months old. He is underweight, and has no teeth. His mother nurses him. His mother is a vegan. He also eats solid foods - 4 oz jars 3 times a day. He usually only eats fruits and vegetables. My daughter also gives him 2 tbsp of oatmeal in a day. Are there any other foods that will help him gain weight and his teething problems. Also he does not sleep through the night and nurses 4-5 times at night. Is there anything else that we can give him to help with his weight and teething problem and help him sleep through the night. Any suggestions would be highly appreciated. Regards. Tulu Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1645 - Release 9/1/2008 7:19 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 It's very normal for some babies not to get their first teeth until they're a year old (a friend of mine did just this). So not to worry - those little teeth will come when they're ready and when " his " inner workings want them to make an appearance! As far as the underweight issue goes, it just might be he's going to be " slight " because it's part of his genetic makeup. I would be concerned with the amount of protein (or lack thereof) he's getting in his diet. A vegan diet is pretty strict and his Mom has got to make sure he's getting enough proteins, fats etc for such a young age.these are all critical in developing, growing etc. At that age if he's nursing 4-5 times a night it could be that he's never really feeling " full " . Have your daughter at the very least increase the oatmeal throughout the day - and to try and make sure it's fortified and packed with all sorts of necessary things (including protein if possible). If there isn't any, perhaps she'd consider offering a bit of protein powder (there are lactose free whey proteins available) - www.doctorgreens.com <http://www.doctorgreens.com/> is a place who's got an excellent which I throw into my kids' pancakes :-) Good luck and if you're concerned ask your daughter to call her pediatrician and inform them that she's raising her son vegan and what additional steps she should take to ensure he's healthy. L _____ On Behalf Of tulu 489 Sunday, September 07, 2008 1:15 AM Infant food My grandson is eight months old. He is underweight, and has no teeth. His mother nurses him. His mother is a vegan. He also eats solid foods - 4 oz jars 3 times a day. He usually only eats fruits and vegetables. My daughter also gives him 2 tbsp of oatmeal in a day. Are there any other foods that will help him gain weight and his teething problems. Also he does not sleep through the night and nurses 4-5 times at night. Is there anything else that we can give him to help with his weight and teething problem and help him sleep through the night. Any suggestions would be highly appreciated. Regards. Tulu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 , tulu 489 <tulu489 wrote > >My grandson is eight months old. He is underweight, Hi, how much does he weigh? One of my breastfed sons was considered " underweight " based on the charts at the pediatricians office...yet he wasn't considered " failing to thrive " . A friend of mine started giving her baby some rice cereal around 8 months to help with sleeping through the night. What helped me was establishing nightly routines. During the day the baby would nap. After 5pm or so I take him for a walk, keep him entertained. After a bath, I'd massage him gently with lotion. This really seemed to tire him out and get him ready for a good 5-6 hours of sleep. Hope this helps! Jennifer minimalisticliving/ and has no teeth. His mother nurses him. His mother is a vegan. He also eats solid foods - 4 oz jars 3 times a day. He usually only eats fruits and vegetables. My daughter also gives him 2 tbsp of oatmeal in a day. Are there any other foods that will help him gain weight and his teething problems. Also he does not sleep through the night and nurses 4-5 times at night. > Is there anything else that we can give him to help with his weight and teething problem and help him sleep through the night. Any suggestions would be highly appreciated. > > Regards. > > Tulu > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Hi! I have 3 year old who is vegan and underweight. I am incresing her caloric intake as well as making sure every meal has 15 grams of fat. Her Dr. Is also asking me to give her pediasure befor bedtime. This is not vegan but she needs to be 15 pounds heavier. We will give it to her for a month to see optimal results. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile tulu 489 <tulu489 Sat, 6 Sep 2008 22:14:50 Infant food My grandson is eight months old. He is underweight, and has no teeth. His mother nurses him. His mother is a vegan. He also eats solid foods - 4 oz jars 3 times a day. He usually only eats fruits and vegetables. My daughter also gives him 2 tbsp of oatmeal in a day. Are there any other foods that will help him gain weight and his teething problems. Also he does not sleep through the night and nurses 4-5 times at night. Is there anything else that we can give him to help with his weight and teething problem and help him sleep through the night. Any suggestions would be highly appreciated. Regards. Tulu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 That's the problem! I breast fed for 2 yrs and added solids at 1 withe breast milk but the weight always is an issue despite her good health! Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile " spreadwingsdove " <spreadwingsdove Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:21:49 Re: Infant food , tulu 489 <tulu489 wrote > >My grandson is eight months old. He is underweight, Hi, how much does he weigh? One of my breastfed sons was considered " underweight " based on the charts at the pediatricians office...yet he wasn't considered " failing to thrive " . A friend of mine started giving her baby some rice cereal around 8 months to help with sleeping through the night. What helped me was establishing nightly routines. During the day the baby would nap. After 5pm or so I take him for a walk, keep him entertained. After a bath, I'd massage him gently with lotion. This really seemed to tire him out and get him ready for a good 5-6 hours of sleep. Hope this helps! Jennifer minimalisticliving/ and has no teeth. His mother nurses him. His mother is a vegan. He also eats solid foods - 4 oz jars 3 times a day. He usually only eats fruits and vegetables. My daughter also gives him 2 tbsp of oatmeal in a day. Are there any other foods that will help him gain weight and his teething problems. Also he does not sleep through the night and nurses 4-5 times at night. > Is there anything else that we can give him to help with his weight and teething problem and help him sleep through the night. Any suggestions would be highly appreciated. > > Regards. > > Tulu > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 This is a serious problem. I would knock myself out to get that mother improving her own diet to include some animal products (not meat, if she finds that objectionable.) This child will have serious problems all his life if he does not receive the nutrients necessary for brain development. Both she and the child need a source of DHA (essential fatty acid)available from algae in supplement form, as she obviously won't eat fish.) I suspect that both mother & child have multiple deficiencies. Possibly the child keeps getting up at night to nurse because his body is craving nutrients. The child should be started on a wee bit of egg yolk from free-range chickens fed a diet that promotes production of EFAs in their eggs. Such eggs are readily available in the supermarket. Kefir is a powerful food and I'd start the poor boy on that, too, made from org. milk if possible. Or yogurt, which is not quite as strong. Veganism + pregnancy + nursing = disaster. The body's needs at this time are so great. I can assure you that if the mother continues with her & her son's vegan diet, the ending will not be good. I am not saying she has to go the whole red-meat route - there are ways around this so that one can remain a vegetarian. But not vegan. Wishing your family the best of health. - Mrs. Barley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Hi Ms. Barley With all due respect there are members of my family who have been vegetarians for generations and have borne numerous (some too numerous, in fact!) healthy, sound, sane, well-nourished children. Yes, they do drink milk. Just no animal flesh. Generations of vegans in India and now here in the US. --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Mrs. Barley <chosenbarley wrote: Mrs. Barley <chosenbarley [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Infant food Chinese Traditional Medicine Monday, September 8, 2008, 11:38 PM This is a serious problem. I would knock myself out to get that mother improving her own diet to include some animal products (not meat, if she finds that objectionable. ) This child will have serious problems all his life if he does not receive the nutrients necessary for brain development. Both she and the child need a source of DHA (essential fatty acid)available from algae in supplement form, as she obviously won't eat fish.) I suspect that both mother & child have multiple deficiencies. Possibly the child keeps getting up at night to nurse because his body is craving nutrients. The child should be started on a wee bit of egg yolk from free-range chickens fed a diet that promotes production of EFAs in their eggs. Such eggs are readily available in the supermarket. Kefir is a powerful food and I'd start the poor boy on that, too, made from org. milk if possible. Or yogurt, which is not quite as strong. Veganism + pregnancy + nursing = disaster. The body's needs at this time are so great. I can assure you that if the mother continues with her & her son's vegan diet, the ending will not be good. I am not saying she has to go the whole red-meat route - there are ways around this so that one can remain a vegetarian. But not vegan. Wishing your family the best of health. - Mrs. Barley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Chinese Traditional Medicine , Twyla <twylahoodah wrote: > > Hi Ms. Barley > > With all due respect there are members of my family who have been vegetarians for generations and have borne numerous (some too numerous, in fact!) healthy, sound, sane, well-nourished children. Yes, they do drink milk. Just no animal flesh. Generations of vegans in India and now here in the US. > > > > >Thanks for replying. I am all for vegetarianism if it includes some eggs or milk products. Veganism is dangerous for pregnant women and babies and growing children, though - unless you stuff yourself with endless supplements. The poor little 8-month old we have been discussing is in a worrisome condition. I am happy to hear that your family has been vegetarian for generations. I would like to see everyone eat less or no flesh, and milk & eggs only from humanely-treated animals. As far as I can see, it is difficult to consume milk & still be kind to the animals. You have to keep the cow pregnant all her life - and then what happens when she can't reproduce anymore? Yup - the baloney factory, an execution-style death that chills my blood when I think of it. (My parents killed their animals more humanely, but, still I did not like what I saw.) Most farmers cannot afford to support postreproductive cows, tho they could do so if the consumer of milk products agreed to pay much more. (Won't happen.) And then there is the little problem of the male animals. Their fate is even worse, but you probably know all this. So, there is no 100% humane diet, but all we can do is try to approach it. I don't want to see this 8-month old boy develop problems while he is still growing, because such problems are likely not curable, ever. A poor start is the worse situation imaginable. Thank you so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Mrs. Barley wrote: > As far as I can see, it is difficult to consume milk & still be kind > to the animals. You have to keep the cow pregnant all her life - and > then what happens when she can't reproduce anymore? MT: WHAT!? You have to keep them PREGNANT? I've never heard of that, and I'm from Wisconsin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Chinese Traditional Medicine , Mercurius Trismegistus <magisterium_magnum wrote: > > Mrs. Barley wrote: > > As far as I can see, it is difficult to consume milk & still be kind > > to the animals. You have to keep the cow pregnant all her life - and > > then what happens when she can't reproduce anymore? > > > > MT: WHAT!? You have to keep them PREGNANT? > I've never heard of that, and I'm from Wisconsin. > No, I did not mean that the cow is pregnant every day of her reproductive life. I meant that - for those of you who did not know this, and so many don't - a cow cannot give milk if she has not birthed a calf. I did not express myself correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 they don't have to be pregnant all of their lives, and after the hefer has done her cycle of giving milk SHE is shot, just like all the other animals are for food... I GREW up on a farm did dairy 4-H as a kid.... u want to talk about cruel.. butchers still cut a pigs throat and let the poor thing bleed to death.. On 9/10/08, Mrs. Barley <chosenbarley wrote: > > Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40>, > Mercurius Trismegistus > <magisterium_magnum wrote: > > > > Mrs. Barley wrote: > > > As far as I can see, it is difficult to consume milk & still be kind > > > to the animals. You have to keep the cow pregnant all her life - and > > > then what happens when she can't reproduce anymore? > > > > > > > > MT: WHAT!? You have to keep them PREGNANT? > > I've never heard of that, and I'm from Wisconsin. > > > > No, I did not mean that the cow is pregnant every day of her > reproductive life. I meant that - for those of you who did not know > this, and so many don't - a cow cannot give milk if she has not > birthed a calf. I did not express myself correctly. > > > -- Blessed be Lisa and Spike psd (soon to be a pup in training here) on kwelyroos71 on MSN kwelyroos71 on aol kwelyroos1971 google talk kwelyroos71 ICQ 477496656 dark.moon.crafts kwelyroos71 kwelyroos71 www.myspace.com/adventures_in_lobstering www.myspace.com/loves_my_pipsqeak www.myspace.com/i_am_the_famous_spike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 My friend when I was growing up worked on a family owned dairy farm. Milking cows start around 2 or 3 years and basically have to calve once a year to keep the milk in. You can check that here under the title " management of the dairy herd " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy_farm Chinese Traditional Medicine , Mercurius Trismegistus <magisterium_magnum wrote: > > Mrs. Barley wrote: > > As far as I can see, it is difficult to consume milk & still be kind > > to the animals. You have to keep the cow pregnant all her life - and > > then what happens when she can't reproduce anymore? > > > > MT: WHAT!? You have to keep them PREGNANT? > I've never heard of that, and I'm from Wisconsin. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Don't they do that with hormones now? mrasmm wrote: > My friend when I was growing up worked on a family owned dairy farm. > Milking cows start around 2 or 3 years and basically have to calve > once a year to keep the milk in. > > You can check that here under the title " management of the dairy herd " > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy_farm > > Chinese Traditional Medicine , Mercurius Trismegistus > <magisterium_magnum wrote: > >> Mrs. Barley wrote: >> >>> As far as I can see, it is difficult to consume milk & still be kind >>> to the animals. You have to keep the cow pregnant all her life - and >>> then what happens when she can't reproduce anymore? >>> >> >> MT: WHAT!? You have to keep them PREGNANT? >> I've never heard of that, and I'm from Wisconsin. >> >> > > > > --- > > Post message address: Chinese Traditional Medicine > http://health.Chinese Traditional Medicine/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 DUDE, u really need to visit a dairy farm, nothing except myabe the Veal market is cruel.. i have been some dairy farms that are cleaner than most ppls houses! On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 2:40 AM, mrasmm <mrasmm wrote: > My friend when I was growing up worked on a family owned dairy farm. > Milking cows start around 2 or 3 years and basically have to calve > once a year to keep the milk in. > > You can check that here under the title " management of the dairy herd " > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy_farm > > Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40>, > Mercurius Trismegistus > <magisterium_magnum wrote: > > > > Mrs. Barley wrote: > > > As far as I can see, it is difficult to consume milk & still be kind > > > to the animals. You have to keep the cow pregnant all her life - and > > > then what happens when she can't reproduce anymore? > > > > > > > > MT: WHAT!? You have to keep them PREGNANT? > > I've never heard of that, and I'm from Wisconsin. > > > > > -- Blessed be Lisa and Spike psd (soon to be a pup in training here) on kwelyroos71 on MSN kwelyroos71 on aol kwelyroos1971 google talk kwelyroos71 ICQ 477496656 dark.moon.crafts kwelyroos71 kwelyroos71 www.myspace.com/adventures_in_lobstering www.myspace.com/loves_my_pipsqeak www.myspace.com/i_am_the_famous_spike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 I would like to point out that while the 'vegan belief' of death to animals for food may be considered cruelty to them doesn't seem to be the CM view of things... Not saying the practice of CM can't coexist with many belief systems, but this is a CM list. Also, It seems very closed minded to declare as cruelty acts that many (i.e. Judaeo/Christian/Muslim, etc. beliefs) consider to be acts that are spiritually elevating the animals, the very opposite of cruelty. In fact the using of animals for work and food are acts of compassion lifting their animal souls to higher purpose that they can not obtain in any other way. Granted there are abuses in parts of the meat and dairy industry. Putting that aside, we should all consider a more open and tolerant view to alternative points of view. David Botton " I am not an animal, I eat them. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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