Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 - " Lee " <kapolaka <herbal remedies > Wednesday, April 12, 2006 6:16 PM Herbal Remedies - Re: soy >I am learning that it is very difficult to find soy that is not GM. > So it is scary to try and find soy without it. > > Lee > > herbal remedies , Renee <violingirl wrote: >> >> Interesting. Why are you so against soy? I, being allergic to > Almonds, Walnuts, Pecans, milk, and many other things...have to > resort to soy milk when it calls for any type of milk in a recipe > (not often, but sometimes). Usually, I just use water to cook > with, in place of milk or oils. I'm curious to know what the evils > of soy are. thanks! >> >> spotspace <spotspace wrote: ALMOND... through all > that soy in the trash where it belongs. >> do some research and stay far away from the soy. >> blessings.. >> spot >> > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural > remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and > to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long > as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any > person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from > list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and > members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 My sister had this problem with her youngest daughter. What it is is a digestive system that is not fully formed at birth. Fairly common. Have your daughter drink catnip tea regularly throughout the day. The digestive benifits pass through the breast milk and will help the baby be less gassy. Ramona Quoting dsdollman <dsdollman: > My grand daughter's doctor recommended a switch to soy formula when > the baby was three week's old because of stomach upset and gas. Are > there other options my daughter should consider? She breast fed for > three weeks but the baby had alot of stomach upset, then the doctor > suggested switching to formula, then soy formula. > > Also, is there a way to purchase any of the recipes in the file > already prepared? > Thank you! Darla > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural > remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from > list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members > free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 The absolute best baby formula is to be found in the files - check the file called Member Contributions, and is called Baby Barley formula. You can substitute cow's milk with another, preferably NOT soy, but perhaps goat's milk, or otherwise home made almond milk. And yes, you can buy Doc's preparations from his office - via web check out the link section, or else phone his office. love Lisa de Haas Senior Moderator herbal remedies , " dsdollman " <dsdollman wrote: > > My grand daughter's doctor recommended a switch to soy formula when > the baby was three week's old because of stomach upset and gas. Are > there other options my daughter should consider? She breast fed for > three weeks but the baby had alot of stomach upset, then the doctor > suggested switching to formula, then soy formula. > > Also, is there a way to purchase any of the recipes in the file > already prepared? > Thank you! Darla > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 there are several other formulas that are not soy and are better tolerated than plain milk based- theres lactose free formulas similar to lactaid milk - I think ailementum is one and another is called lactofree I think. my oldest who is now almost 9 was on these for the same reasons. look on the formula aisle at any grocery store, they all look the same I know but you can find several different varieties readily available and many babies have to use them so they are now easier to find than they were years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 I just got an article from Organic Consumer that states: Two of the largest organic dairy companies in the nation, Horizon Organic (a subsidiary of Dean Foods) and supplier to Wal-Mart and many health food stores; and Aurora Organic, a supplier of private brand name organic milk to Costco, Safeway, Giant, Wild Oats and others, are purchasing the majority of their milk from feedlot dairies where the cows have little or no access to pasture. The National Standards Board is currently accepting public comments regarding factory farm dairy. They have a petition at Organic Consumer.com This really bites! Also my husband tells me that the " cage free " chicken and eggs are a scam. The chickens are caged up the first part of their lifes and then the doors opened and they are so conditioned they just stay in the cage! And the " cage free " place is just a small block of land. Disgusting. Corporate greed is destroying our planet! Gas prices; food contamination; land destruction and we the masses just stand by. (myself included) seer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 so, we should not be buying horizon anymore? Publix caries their brand as well..but i recently found out that horizon's milk is ultra-pasteurized so it may as well be dead..i think i will change to Organic Valley..anyone hear bad things on them? herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of seerWednesday, April 19, 2006 8:47 AMherbal remedies Subject: Herbal Remedies - RE: soy I just got an article from Organic Consumer that states: Two of the largest organic dairy companies in the nation, Horizon Organic (asubsidiary of Dean Foods) and supplier to Wal-Mart and many health foodstores; and Aurora Organic, a supplier of private brand name organic milk toCostco, Safeway, Giant, Wild Oats and others, are purchasing the majority oftheir milk from feedlot dairies where the cows have little or no access topasture. The National Standards Board is currently accepting public commentsregarding factory farm dairy. They have a petition at Organic Consumer.comThis really bites! Also my husband tells me that the "cage free" chickenand eggs are a scam. The chickens are caged up the first part of theirlifes and then the doors opened and they are so conditioned they just stayin the cage! And the "cage free" place is just a small block of land.Disgusting. Corporate greed is destroying our planet! Gas prices; foodcontamination; land destruction and we the masses just stand by. (myselfincluded)seer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Seer, I just got an e-mail this AM that said the same thing about the milk. And we know first hand about the " Cage Free " chicken thing. That and the " Organic Fed " poultry. Jokes, and as you said, scams. We get a lot of e-mails about the chicken things because we're into chickens. And each morning when I open our chicken houses, all 135 of them are right there waiting to get out! They come back and lay in the nest boxes(mostly-we have Easter egg hunts daily), but they are out there running over the whole place in unfenced pleasure.(But not today, the wind is so strong they're all carrying rocks in their feet to hold them down.) I doubt we'd get an egg if we locked ours up, not to mention how sad they'd all be. Yeah, they're about half pets. Or like all pets, is that pests? It seems like we should be able to get something done about all these lies and false labelling instances, but I guess the right people in the right places have all been bought and paid for. And don't get me started on the FDA or the USDA! I also just heard the new laws say they don't even have to label certain things anymore, and there's also something coming down about the 'new' organic labelling. I say, either it is or it isn't! Creative labelling means somebody is telling you a lie. Bob. herbal remedies , " seer " <seer7 wrote: > > > I just got an article from Organic Consumer that states: > > Two of the largest organic dairy companies in the nation, Horizon Organic (a > subsidiary of Dean Foods) and supplier to Wal-Mart and many health food > stores; and Aurora Organic, a supplier of private brand name organic milk to > Costco, Safeway, Giant, Wild Oats and others, are purchasing the majority of > their milk from feedlot dairies where the cows have little or no access to > pasture. The National Standards Board is currently accepting public comments > regarding factory farm dairy. > They have a petition at Organic Consumer.com > > This really bites! Also my husband tells me that the " cage free " chicken > and eggs are a scam. The chickens are caged up the first part of their > lifes and then the doors opened and they are so conditioned they just stay > in the cage! And the " cage free " place is just a small block of land. > > Disgusting. Corporate greed is destroying our planet! Gas prices; food > contamination; land destruction and we the masses just stand by. (myself > included) > seer > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 AMEN to you both! it is very hard for me not to allow my frustrations about all the below mentioned to take hold of me and obsess me to the point of illness. I saw a "cellular therepist" (Think that's what she was called... you know, with the chakras and everything... really just did it for fun) last year on vacation, found her in this little town in the country... and she told me that I need to be able to better let go of the anger I have towards the worldly issues before it kills me, which led me to personal meditation and such... but it's hard! Especially when it's all around us!"I say... we all pitch in for the cost of a few acres each, and start our own community!"A good friend of mine and I have made that joke for years... always joke to go buy up as much property as we can, perhaps in northern Canada, previously untouched by civilized man, enough land to bring in all our loved ones, and lock the gate! Wouldn't it be great if things could just be the way they were intended to be? Ah, well... if only it were so easy. In the mean time, I don't eat any of the dairy or meat sold here in the city, except for the occasional slip...I am VERY thankful for good people who still believe in a better world, and are willing to teach and learn. Maybe I am naive... my father always told me I was born in the wrong time completely... but I still believe in humans and the fact that we WILL be able to change things slowly. I am especially thankful I found this board! :)Blessings and Love to All ~Raaven"I'm sensitive, and I'd like to stay that way" )sandyloopfarm <sandyloopfarm wrote: Seer, I just got an e-mail this AM that said the same thing about the milk. And we know first hand about the "Cage Free" chicken thing. That and the "Organic Fed" poultry. Jokes, and as you said, scams. We get a lot of e-mails about the chicken things because we're into chickens. It seems like we should be able to get something done about all these lies and false labelling instances, but I guess the right people in the right places have all been bought and paid for. And don't get me started on the FDA or the USDA! I also just heard the new laws say they don't even have to label certain things anymore, and there's also something coming down about the 'new' organic labelling. I say, either it is or it isn't! Creative labelling means somebody is telling you a lie. Bob. herbal remedies , "seer" <seer7 wrote: > > > I just got an article from Organic Consumer that states: > > Two of the largest organic dairy companies in the nation, Horizon Organic (a > subsidiary of Dean Foods) and supplier to Wal-Mart and many health food > stores; and Aurora Organic, a supplier of private brand name organic milk to > Costco, Safeway, Giant, Wild Oats and others, are purchasing the majority of > their milk from feedlot dairies where the cows have little or no access to > pasture. The National Standards Board is currently accepting public comments > regarding factory farm dairy. > They have a petition at Organic Consumer.com > > This really bites! Also my husband tells me that the "cage free" chicken > and eggs are a scam. The chickens are caged up the first part of their > lifes and then the doors opened and they are so conditioned they just stay > in the cage! And the "cage free" place is just a small block of land. > > Disgusting. Corporate greed is destroying our planet! Gas prices; food > contamination; land destruction and we the masses just stand by. (myself > included) > seer > How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 , " Marsha Abernethy " <bigslowsmom wrote: >>>Now I am reading two > different opinions about the soybean. I would appreciate some > opinions on the topic. Since I an in remission from Hodgkins > Lymphoma, I certainly don't want to risk brain cancer! Any ideas??? <<< I think what the emphasis should be on...if you do not want cancer is if the food is alkaline or acidic. Cancer lives in acidic bodies. One of the problems you run into when drinking soy milk is that commercially sold soy milk is acidic to the body. The soybean is acidic and the added sugar to soy milk tops the scales AND NOT in your favor. Sugar - is HUGE at creating a toxic acidic body. I think it is more important to concentrate on taking out sugar when trying to create a healthy body. To worry about our health (should we eat soy products...should we stop eating red meat) and ignore the one thing that should be taken out of the diet is counter productive. I believe tofu -because it is fermented - is alkaline to the body. Donna N. Cali. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Donna wrote: " I believe tofu -because it is fermented - is alkaline to the body. " Soy milk and Tofu are not really fermented soy products! Fermentation does not make food more alkaline; acidity or alkalinity reserves in the body are more dependent on whether the metabolic byproducts of the foods we ingest are alkaline or acidic... nitrogen/sulfur based foods like proteins tend to leave an acidic residue and potassium/calcium rich foods like fruits and vegetables provide alkalizing minerals. Deep breathing is a very important technique for maintaining proper blood Ph balance which most people do not use. Prana Yoga and Qigong are good practices for this! Tempeth, miso, soy sauce, natto, etc. are true fermented soy product . > > <%40>, " Marsha Abernethy " > <bigslowsmom wrote: > >>>Now I am reading two > > different opinions about the soybean. I would appreciate some > > opinions on the topic. Since I an in remission from Hodgkins > > Lymphoma, I certainly don't want to risk brain cancer! Any ideas??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 , Domingo Pichardo <dpichardo3 wrote: >>>Soy milk and Tofu are not really fermented soy products! <<< I didn't say soy milk was...for I do not know that - nor have I come across information to say it is. However, tofu...can be fermented and you can check out this website to get examples: scroll down to fermented soy products: http://www.ellenskitchen.com/clearlight/soyfoods.html#fermented >>>Fermentation does not make food more alkaline;<<< There are many lists online that give an 'in general' list...with a few foods people can not agree on that switch from alkaline to the acidic side and back. In general however, if you research it - this webpage gives a pretty good idea of which foods go where. This one: http://www.essense-of-life.com/info/foodchart.htm Matches many that I have seen in books...so I bookmarked the page. This particular list has soy on the acidic side and tempeh on the alkaline side. I would love to read any information that does not agree with this list... >>>> breathing is a very important technique for maintaining proper blood Ph balance which most people do not use. Prana Yoga and Qigong are good practices for this!<<< I did not know this. I will research more about it. Thanks, Donna N. Cali. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 Herbs, Acupuncture, Theory, Case StudiesHas anyone read this article? Do you know if the controlled for example lack of meat consumption in people eating more tofu? OBJECTIVE: To examine associations of midlife tofu consumption with brain function and structural changes in late life. METHODS: The design utilized surviving participants of a longitudinal study established in 1965 for research on heart disease, stroke, and cancer. Information on consumption of selected foods was available from standardized interviews conducted 1965-1967 and 1971-1974. A 4-level composite intake index defined " low-low " consumption as fewer than two servings of tofu per week in 1965 and no tofu in the prior week in 1971. Men who reported two or more servings per week at both interviews were defined as " high-high " consumers. Intermediate or less consistent " low " and " high " consumption levels were also defined. Cognitive functioning was tested at the 1991-1993 examination, when participants were aged 71 to 93 years (n = 3734). Brain atrophy was assessed using neuroimage (n = 574) and autopsy (n = 290) information. Cognitive function data were also analyzed for wives of a sample of study participants (n = 502) who had been living with the participants at the time of their dietary interviews. RESULTS: Poor cognitive test performance, enlargement of ventricles and low brain weight were each significantly and independently associated with higher midlife tofu consumption. A similar association of midlife tofu intake with poor late life cognitive test scores was also observed among wives of cohort members, using the husband's answers to food frequency questions as proxy for the wife's consumption. Statistically significant associations were consistently demonstrated in linear and logistic multivariate regression models. Odds ratios comparing endpoints among " high-high " with " low-low " consumers were mostly in the range of 1.6 to 2.0. CONCLUSIONS: In this population, higher midlife tofu consumption was independently associated with indicators of cognitive impairment and brain atrophy in late life. - Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine Friday, February 15, 2008 12:54 AM Digest Number 2574 Herbs, Acupuncture, Theory, Case Studies Messages In This Digest (13 Messages) 1a. Re: Bleeding during ovulation sxm2649 2a. Re: angioedema/anaphylactic shock/food allergies? sxm2649 3a. FW: Kiiko Matsumoto's Practical Application of Chinese Classics Sund Emily Konstan 4a. Re: difficult case: chronic low back pain pejo_mstd 4b. Re: difficult case: chronic low back pain Togan Muftuoglu 4c. Re: difficult case: chronic low back pain ra6151 4d. Re: difficult case: chronic low back pain 5.1. Re: eating meat Ross Ralph 6a. Contact details for practitioners who use acupuncture in reptiles or 6b. Re: Contact details for practitioners who use acupuncture in reptile bill_schoenbart 7. Post Operative Acupuncture fudgelisa 8. Referral in Columbus, OH fudgelisa 9. Acupuncturist in Union Square, NYC purekarm View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. Re: Bleeding during ovulation Posted by: " sxm2649 " sxm2649 sxm2649 Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:49 am (PST) Hi, Chris I think u r right as there is surely deficiency. However, u will get confused as u mingle the concept of western medicine in pure tcm diagnosis. Tcm does not say ovulation ( u need to mark down the body temperature in trace the ovulation period). TCM talks about spotting. Spotting is a sign found in gyneocology so u look at the disease and then u come up with different patterns such as blood deficiency, blood heat etc. Jin Gui Yao Lue (Sypnosis of the Golden Chamber) by ZHANG,Zhong-jing devotes THREE chapters taking about gynecology 1800 years ago. The pathomechanism of spotting may vary from liver kidney Yin deficiency, spleen and kidney Yang deficiency, to blood stasis etc and then u rule out the least likely and come up with diagnosis. Apart from the knowledge from the book, u rely on clinical experiences to enhance your clinical efficacy. Ex., women in this age may have spotting after sex life due to biological reason (pretty common). U r not convenient to do body check as a male practitoner. Taking everything into considerations, u can see the tree (signs) as well as the forest(disease). U then can easily come up with an effective formula (apart from using acupuncture). Spotting can be easily treated with tcm herbology once u hit the right diagnosis. It is just like the case in another thread here (Julia's lower back pain), u will achieve quicker efficacy once the formula is added. Since u r a tcm student so i talk a bit more, hope u do not mind. Regards, SUNG, Yuk-ming Phd(Chengdu) Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 2a. Re: angioedema/anaphylactic shock/food allergies? Posted by: " sxm2649 " sxm2649 sxm2649 Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:11 am (PST) Hi,Kath I second Douglas that there are also lung and spleen deficiency, plus your diagnosis, kidney xu. I had experiences treating Raynaud's syndrome before and wrote an ariticle in the acupuncture journal about it. Besides acu, I used herbs. Since your patient suffers from lung, spleen, and kidney deficiency, herbs is necessary and may take at least 3 to 6 months to talk about recovery. Regards, SUNG,Yuk-ming PhD (Chengdu) Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 3a. FW: Kiiko Matsumoto's Practical Application of Chinese Classics Sund Posted by: " Emily Konstan " emilylists emilykonstan Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:43 am (PST) This is from a colleague. If you're interested, her contact info is below. Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:00:23 -0500 monkeykingsdaughter latepiano Kiiko Matsumoto's Practical Application of Chinese Classics Sunday Seminar Dear Fellow Acupuncturists - My name is Eugenia Lai, a medical board certified and Massachusetts licensed acupuncturist and Chinese Herbalist. I am currently sponsoring a three Sunday acupuncture workshop series for Sensei Kiiko Matsumoto. I am in need of reaching out to as many acupuncturists as possible. Please help me reach them by forwarding this email to your fellow acupuncturists. Kiiko Matsumoto's workshop will be held on: Sundays: 3/9, 4/27, 5/25. Time: 9am to 5:30pm Location: Kiiko Matsumoto's Newton Clinic *Credits: 7.5 CEU/CAE per day Cost: $400 ($350 student) for three day workshop or $140 ($130) for one day Contact: Eugenia Lai 781-246-3064 or Jessica Sollee 617-335-2148 Kiiko Matsumoto is a dynamic speaker who is a true master of Traditional Classics. All her knowledge and techniques are based on her deep understanding of ancient texts. You will find her teachings very practical and helpful in applying them to your acupuncture practices. Enclosed is a flyer and a document with information about the upcoming Seminar. If you prefer I can forward these info to them as long as you give me the access of your membership email addresses. Thank you very much. Please sign up by sending me the full amount by check only (payable to Eugenia Lai) as soon as possible before February 29, 2008 to: Eugenia Lai 34 Montrose Ave Wakefield, MA 01880 781-246-3064 monkeykingsdaughter Please note that the workshop is a three day workshop in its entirety. However, if you can not make it to any one day, you can still sign up for those days which you can make it on a day basis. Since we can only take 18 people for the seminar this time, the attendance is limited. The person who signs up for the three day seminar (by paying for the whole three day seminar by check) will take the precedence in admission before those who only sign up for one or two days. Hope all is going well with everyone, and I look forward to seeing you soon. Eugenia Lai Medical Board Licensed Acupuncturist and Chinese Medicine Herbalist Danvers, MA 01923 781-246-3064 monkeykingsdaughter (p.s. Please forgive me if I sent this notice to you twice. I have tried to screen the names but have encountered some issues.) ________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your " fix " . http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 Hi Alon, What's the citation for this article? Thanks, Marian Chinese Medicine , <alonmarcus wrote: > > Herbs, Acupuncture, Theory, Case StudiesHas anyone read this article? Do you know if the controlled for example lack of meat consumption in people eating more tofu? > > OBJECTIVE: To examine associations of midlife tofu consumption with brain function and structural changes in late life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 Marian i cant remember just google the text 400 29th St. Suite 419 Oakland Ca 94609 alonmarcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 So I was a soy formula baby back in the 70s and my now DD5 was also a soy formula baby (b/c of colic) and is also hooked on vanilla soy milk. I've recently been made aware of all the dangers surrounding soy, along with the conflicting benefits. It's all very overwhelming and scary to me. What do you know about soy, good and bad? Just how bad is it for a 5 year old to be drinking at least 16 oz. of soy milk a day? Thanks, Laura in Austin ____________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ____________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Hi Laura, It's good that you are becoming aware of the pros and cons of soy. IMO, they are mostly cons. Even if your daughter is drinking organic, NON-GMO soy, it will cause hormonal challenges and perhaps sooner than you might think. Soy increases estrogen levels in the body... there's just no way around it. This is one of the primary causes of Precocious (early) puberty in girls. I urge you to research this further and wean your daughter off of soy products. Almond milk is an excellent alternative. Michelle http://www.HolisticPerimenopause.com I've recently been made aware of all the dangers surrounding soy, along with the conflicting benefits. It's all very overwhelming and scary to me. What do you know about soy, good and bad? Just how bad is it for a 5 year old to be drinking at least 16 oz. of soy milk a day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Hi Laura, It's not good at all, especially for young boys! It is very much like giving boys birth control pills. Soy mimics estrogen - and we already have enough problems with excess estrogens in our water, food, products, and the environment. These link say it better than I could: http://www.westonaprice.org/brochures/SoyAlertTrifold.pdf http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html Nobody really should be eating soy the way we do in the U.S. (essentially as an animal protein substitute). Don't miss the second page of the pdf on the first link - it has a nice summary of all the myths and truths about soy. Sorry about the bad news, but unfortunately we can't count on the FDA to keep us safe. They are more interested in keeping the drug companies and chemical industries happy and in business. Melissa , " Laura Hon " <laura.hon wrote: > > So I was a soy formula baby back in the 70s and my now DD5 was also a soy formula baby (b/c of colic) and is also hooked on vanilla soy milk. > I've recently been made aware of all the dangers surrounding soy, along with the conflicting benefits. It's all very overwhelming and scary to me. What do you know about soy, good and bad? Just how bad is it for a 5 year old to be drinking at least 16 oz. of soy milk a day? > > Thanks, > > Laura in Austin > > ____________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ____________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 I wonder if in Asian countries, where people have been consuming soy longer than here happens the same or not. Does anyone know? Rena - Michelle Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:45 AM Re: soy Hi Laura, It's good that you are becoming aware of the pros and cons of soy. IMO, they are mostly cons. Even if your daughter is drinking organic, NON-GMO soy, it will cause hormonal challenges and perhaps sooner than you might think. Soy increases estrogen levels in the body... there's just no way around it. This is one of the primary causes of Precocious (early) puberty in girls. I urge you to research this further and wean your daughter off of soy products. Almond milk is an excellent alternative. Michelle http://www.HolisticPerimenopause.com I've recently been made aware of all the dangers surrounding soy, along with the conflicting benefits. It's all very overwhelming and scary to me. What do you know about soy, good and bad? Just how bad is it for a 5 year old to be drinking at least 16 oz. of soy milk a day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 They eat small amounts of fermented soy. Denise >I wonder if in Asian countries, where people have been consuming soy longer >than here happens the same or not. > Does anyone know? > > Rena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 do you have a good sight with info on the neg side of soy-if so would be pleased to read it -thanks --- On Thu, 26/2/09, Michelle <michelle wrote: Michelle <michelle Re: soy Received: Thursday, 26 February, 2009, 2:45 AM Hi Laura, It's good that you are becoming aware of the pros and cons of soy. IMO, they are mostly cons. Even if your daughter is drinking organic, NON-GMO soy, it will cause hormonal challenges and perhaps sooner than you might think. Soy increases estrogen levels in the body... there's just no way around it. This is one of the primary causes of Precocious (early) puberty in girls. I urge you to research this further and wean your daughter off of soy products. Almond milk is an excellent alternative. Michelle http://www.Holistic Perimenopause. com I've recently been made aware of all the dangers surrounding soy, along with the conflicting benefits. It's all very overwhelming and scary to me. What do you know about soy, good and bad? Just how bad is it for a 5 year old to be drinking at least 16 oz. of soy milk a day? Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs./mail/smarterinbox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 I would suggest using Almond milk it is delicious and you can even make your own by soaking raw almonds over night then blending with water straining it sweetin with honey if you want and vuala. Yum. I never have done any studys on soy I know I use to give my son soy after I was done nursing him and it constipated him. , " Laura Hon " <laura.hon wrote: > > So I was a soy formula baby back in the 70s and my now DD5 was also a soy formula baby (b/c of colic) and is also hooked on vanilla soy milk. > I've recently been made aware of all the dangers surrounding soy, along with the conflicting benefits. It's all very overwhelming and scary to me. What do you know about soy, good and bad? Just how bad is it for a 5 year old to be drinking at least 16 oz. of soy milk a day? > > Thanks, > > Laura in Austin > > ____________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ____________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 l8 The Asian diet is always based on grains, rich in B vitamins. B12 they get from miso and seaweed. Their soybean culture emphasizes fermented products like miso, natto, soy sauce, tempeh- all much healthier than soymilk American style. We ought to study their traditions instead of (arrogantly) using our (naive) intuitive approach. Gout and arthritis etc. are meat eaters diseases. Skeletal remains from the ice age (when there were no plants to eat) show signs of arthritic deformity. Instead of replacing cows milk with soymilk, eat grain with miso soup (a digestive aid and powerful antioxidant and detoxifier, drink tea. Calcium? When derived from minerals (supplements) and animals the calcium is poorly absorbed, lodges in the joints and forms calcium deposits. The best plant source of assimilable calcium is seaweed. Dr Stephen Jared ND Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 Hi Michelle and Laura, I'm a recent r to this post who has been speaking out about soy for many years on my alternate health web site. FYI, I was also allergic to soy products, and was lucky enough to find a acupuncture specialist that neutralized me 4 times over the years. Soy is as ubiquitous as wheat or milk or corn in our cultural diet. It is literally in everything. I know as for years I've had to read labels. (My wife has a corn allergy.) I've also researched the data on soy and estrogen, and it clearly shows that the rise of cheap soy usage as food (and milk substitute) correlates directly with the lowering of age of female maturation. (There's also a lot of data that shows that homogenization of milk along with Leaky Gut Syndrome is a major factor in milk sensitivity/allergy. Laura, I agree completely with Michelle. Get your daughter off all soy products if you can. IMO, even sweet cola drinks are better for her! -- Phil Bate PhD http://drbate.com Free Alternate Health Advice Neuroliminal Training (NT) helps solve mental problems without drugs at low cost. ADD to Autism, Anxiety to depression etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 Fermented soy products are fine. Read Sally Fallon's " Nourishing Traditions " for good information about soy products. What we are sold in this country is mostly not fermented. Foods like fermented miso, tempeh, fermented soy sauce etc are fine. Unfermented is not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 Would you please tell me what soy products are fermented? Also, tofu is fermented? Rena - O' Conchubair Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:25 PM Re: soy They eat small amounts of fermented soy. Denise >I wonder if in Asian countries, where people have been consuming soy longer >than here happens the same or not. > Does anyone know? > > Rena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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