Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Chinese Traditional Medicine , Richard Wallin <gophergrad_1972 wrote: > > What is the best treatment for tinnitis, ringing in > the ears? Tinnitus is a condition that can have one or more of several different Roots. Treatment is going to vary according to what the Root is. There is a good article on tinnitus by Honora Lee Wolfe: http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/archives2000/mar/03wolfe.html A Discussion of One Treatment Protocol for Tinnitus I don't know how much of a background you have in TCM, so I'm going to be very basic in this post. The main thing to keep in mind is that tinnitus can have different Roots so treatment will vary. Wolfe says in her article: " According to The Treatment of Disease in TCM, Volume II: Diseases of the Eyes, Ears, Nose and Throat, tinnitus can be discriminated into 10 possible patterns: wind heat invading the lungs; exuberant liver fire; ascendant liver yang; insufficiency of liver blood; kidney yin vacuity; insufficiency of kidney qi; breakdown of interaction between the heart and kidneys; spleen/stomach vacuity; phlegm fire; and qi stagnation and blood stasis. " Don't worry about memorizing these at this point. The important thing is to just have an idea of how many possible causes there are, and that the majority of them have to do with the Kidneys and/or Liver. (For readers who are new to TCM, TCM Organs are not equivalent to anatomical organs. TCM Organs are collections of functions. Usually writers will capitalize the names of TCM Organs; unfortunately, Wolfe did not. This can be confusing for beginners.) Read through the article. Don't worry about understanding it if you're new to TCM. Just read through it and ask questions. Your understanding of TCM and tinnitus will grow as you do this. The term " shao yang channel " refers to the Gall Bladder and Triple Burner (aka Triple Heater, aka Triple Warmer) meridians. The Gall Bladder is the foot shao yang channel, and the Triple Burner is the hand shao yang channel. The Gall Bladder tranverses the leg, and the TH transverses the arm. They both cirle around the ears. It sounds like what the two doctors in China tried to do is to come up with a one-treatment-helps-a-lot-of-tinnitus-suffers-but-not-all treatment. As Wolfe points out, they didn't break the study down into pattern discrimination. Into the 10 Roots seen in the paragraph above. I want to point out to those new to TCM that even though the two doctors are concentrating on the GB and TH meridians because they run so close to the ears, not all of the acupuncture points are in the vacinity of the ears. You'll see this frequently in acupuncture and acupressure. The points that help a certain area of the body the most may be far away from that part of the body. Points between the tip of the fingers and the elbow and between the tip of the toes and the knees may get used a lot because it's easier to influence Qi throughout the body by working certain special points in those areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 Chinese Medicine , " ladylee0999 " <acudoc wrote:yes we can definately treat tinnitus with auricular acupuncture an dpranic healing. if u suggest i will definately treat him . please mail me on baihuiacu. and tell me the standard time at which u will sit and i can heal. bye > > Anyone have any luck treating high pitch, buzzing tinnitus? > > Patient is a 54 year old male, heavy smoker. He says he got it from a > drug treatment he was on years ago that degenerated the nerves. > > Lee Tritt, AP, OMD, Dipl. Ac.(NCCAOM) > 321-961-6432 > A LITTLE " NEEDLING " NEVER HURT ANYONE > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 Thank you for your kind response but I was hoping for acupuncture and/or suggestions. He claims the sound is like crickets. I treated him twice and had an effect on the sound. It would get louder, softer, go away for a few hours at a time....., but it would keep coming back. He can not get in to see me more than once per week, which I think is part of the problem. Chinese Medicine , " baihuiacu " <baihuiacu wrote: > > Chinese Medicine , " ladylee0999 " > <acudoc@> wrote:yes we can definately treat tinnitus with auricular > acupuncture an dpranic healing. if u suggest i will definately treat > him . please mail me on baihuiacu and tell me the > standard time at which u will sit and i can heal. bye > > > > Anyone have any luck treating high pitch, buzzing tinnitus? > > > > Patient is a 54 year old male, heavy smoker. He says he got it from > a > > drug treatment he was on years ago that degenerated the nerves. > > > > Lee Tritt, AP, OMD, Dipl. Ac.(NCCAOM) > > 321-961-6432 > > A LITTLE " NEEDLING " NEVER HURT ANYONE > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 Try the obvious suspects SI 19 Listening Palace (my ear is blocked right now - so I ask myself what is it that I am not listening to) GB 2 TH 21 Also there is a Master Tung point on the upper leg ( believe half way up the leg near LR and SP line - sorry can't go look for notes - but it might be in the archives- or someone else might chime in). I did that point and my patient noticed a change in the ear ringling right on the table. I also, at some point in his treatements, did the 3 amigos above. The all helped. Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- " ladylee0999 " <acudoc > Thank you for your kind response but I was hoping for acupuncture > and/or suggestions. He claims the sound is like crickets. I treated > him twice and had an effect on the sound. It would get louder, > softer, go away for a few hours at a time....., but it would keep > coming back. He can not get in to see me more than once per week, > which I think is part of the problem. > > Chinese Medicine , " baihuiacu " > <baihuiacu wrote: > > > > Chinese Medicine , " ladylee0999 " > > <acudoc@> wrote:yes we can definately treat tinnitus with auricular > > acupuncture an dpranic healing. if u suggest i will definately > treat > > him . please mail me on baihuiacu and tell me the > > standard time at which u will sit and i can heal. bye > > > > > > Anyone have any luck treating high pitch, buzzing tinnitus? > > > > > > Patient is a 54 year old male, heavy smoker. He says he got it > from > > a > > > drug treatment he was on years ago that degenerated the nerves. > > > > > > Lee Tritt, AP, OMD, Dipl. Ac.(NCCAOM) > > > 321-961-6432 > > > A LITTLE " NEEDLING " NEVER HURT ANYONE > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 Thank you When he came in today, he said he actually had a tinnitis free day but it came back the next day (I scheduled him to skip a day). I tried the points you suggested in addition to the others I used. Any more help or experiences with this condition would be helpful Lee Tritt, AP, OMD, Dipl. Ac.(NCCAOM) 321-961-6432 A LITTLE " NEEDLING " NEVER HURT ANYONE Chinese Medicine Chinese MedicineOn Behalf Of anne.crowley Tuesday, May 01, 2007 10:26 PM Chinese Medicine Re: Re: tinnitis Try the obvious suspects SI 19 Listening Palace (my ear is blocked right now - so I ask myself what is it that I am not listening to) GB 2 TH 21 Also there is a Master Tung point on the upper leg ( believe half way up the leg near LR and SP line - sorry can't go look for notes - but it might be in the archives- or someone else might chime in). I did that point and my patient noticed a change in the ear ringling right on the table. I also, at some point in his treatements, did the 3 amigos above. The all helped. Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- " ladylee0999 " <acudoc > Thank you for your kind response but I was hoping for acupuncture > and/or suggestions. He claims the sound is like crickets. I treated > him twice and had an effect on the sound. It would get louder, > softer, go away for a few hours at a time....., but it would keep > coming back. He can not get in to see me more than once per week, > which I think is part of the problem. > > Chinese Medicine , " baihuiacu " > <baihuiacu wrote: > > > > Chinese Medicine , " ladylee0999 " > > <acudoc@> wrote:yes we can definately treat tinnitus with auricular > > acupuncture an dpranic healing. if u suggest i will definately > treat > > him . please mail me on baihuiacu and tell me the > > standard time at which u will sit and i can heal. bye > > > > > > Anyone have any luck treating high pitch, buzzing tinnitus? > > > > > > Patient is a 54 year old male, heavy smoker. He says he got it > from > > a > > > drug treatment he was on years ago that degenerated the nerves. > > > > > > Lee Tritt, AP, OMD, Dipl. Ac.(NCCAOM) > > > 321-961-6432 > > > A LITTLE " NEEDLING " NEVER HURT ANYONE > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 I am currently treating someone with tinnitus as their main complaint. Here are the points I took: BL11, BL15, BL23, BL33, GV2, GV4, GV13, GV11, GV20, GB20. Then, when I turned her over I did GB2, TH21 & 22, BL2. She said that the ringing in her ears was gone after the first treatment for about 5 days. The second treatment I don't know yet because I haven't seen her again. This is a 60+ yr. old woman who has had this for about a year. She's also suffered from shoulder/neck pain in addition to lower back pain. She's a retired hair dresser. I hope this helps. Jamie www.whartenby.com - Acudoc Chinese Medicine Wednesday, May 02, 2007 6:25 PM RE: Re: tinnitis Thank you When he came in today, he said he actually had a tinnitis free day but it came back the next day (I scheduled him to skip a day). I tried the points you suggested in addition to the others I used. Any more help or experiences with this condition would be helpful Lee Tritt, AP, OMD, Dipl. Ac.(NCCAOM) 321-961-6432 A LITTLE " NEEDLING " NEVER HURT ANYONE Chinese Medicine Chinese MedicineOn Behalf Of anne.crowley Tuesday, May 01, 2007 10:26 PM Chinese Medicine Re: Re: tinnitis Try the obvious suspects SI 19 Listening Palace (my ear is blocked right now - so I ask myself what is it that I am not listening to) GB 2 TH 21 Also there is a Master Tung point on the upper leg ( believe half way up the leg near LR and SP line - sorry can't go look for notes - but it might be in the archives- or someone else might chime in). I did that point and my patient noticed a change in the ear ringling right on the table. I also, at some point in his treatements, did the 3 amigos above. The all helped. Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- " ladylee0999 " <acudoc > Thank you for your kind response but I was hoping for acupuncture > and/or suggestions. He claims the sound is like crickets. I treated > him twice and had an effect on the sound. It would get louder, > softer, go away for a few hours at a time....., but it would keep > coming back. He can not get in to see me more than once per week, > which I think is part of the problem. > > Chinese Medicine , " baihuiacu " > <baihuiacu wrote: > > > > Chinese Medicine , " ladylee0999 " > > <acudoc@> wrote:yes we can definately treat tinnitus with auricular > > acupuncture an dpranic healing. if u suggest i will definately > treat > > him . please mail me on baihuiacu and tell me the > > standard time at which u will sit and i can heal. bye > > > > > > Anyone have any luck treating high pitch, buzzing tinnitus? > > > > > > Patient is a 54 year old male, heavy smoker. He says he got it > from > > a > > > drug treatment he was on years ago that degenerated the nerves. > > > > > > Lee Tritt, AP, OMD, Dipl. Ac.(NCCAOM) > > > 321-961-6432 > > > A LITTLE " NEEDLING " NEVER HURT ANYONE > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 Okay, Jamie. Can you give us the reasoning for these. The obvious ones by the ear I can see. Tinnitus can be a stubborn condition to deal with, so I would appeciate any new points ideas. Would really like to know the application behind these. Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- " Whartenby! " <jwhartenby > I am currently treating someone with tinnitus as their main complaint. Here are > the points I took: BL11, BL15, BL23, BL33, GV2, GV4, GV13, GV11, GV20, GB20. > Then, when I turned her over I did GB2, TH21 & 22, BL2. She said that the > ringing in her ears was gone after the first treatment for about 5 days. The > second treatment I don't know yet because I haven't seen her again. > This is a 60+ yr. old woman who has had this for about a year. She's also > suffered from shoulder/neck pain in addition to lower back pain. She's a > retired hair dresser. > > I hope this helps. > Jamie > www.whartenby.com > - > Acudoc > Chinese Medicine > Wednesday, May 02, 2007 6:25 PM > RE: Re: tinnitis > > > Thank you > > When he came in today, he said he actually had a tinnitis free day but it > came back the next day (I scheduled him to skip a day). I tried the points > you suggested in addition to the others I used. > > Any more help or experiences with this condition would be helpful > > Lee Tritt, AP, OMD, Dipl. Ac.(NCCAOM) > 321-961-6432 > A LITTLE " NEEDLING " NEVER HURT ANYONE > > > Chinese Medicine > Chinese MedicineOn Behalf Of > anne.crowley > Tuesday, May 01, 2007 10:26 PM > Chinese Medicine > Re: Re: tinnitis > > Try the obvious suspects SI 19 Listening Palace (my ear is blocked right > now - so I ask myself what is it that I am not listening to) > GB 2 > TH 21 > > Also there is a Master Tung point on the upper leg ( believe half way up > the leg near LR and SP line - sorry can't go look for notes - but it might > be in the archives- or someone else might chime in). I did that point and my > patient noticed a change in the ear ringling right on the table. > > I also, at some point in his treatements, did the 3 amigos above. The all > helped. > > Anne > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > " ladylee0999 " <acudoc > > Thank you for your kind response but I was hoping for acupuncture > > and/or suggestions. He claims the sound is like crickets. I treated > > him twice and had an effect on the sound. It would get louder, > > softer, go away for a few hours at a time....., but it would keep > > coming back. He can not get in to see me more than once per week, > > which I think is part of the problem. > > > > Chinese Medicine , " baihuiacu " > > <baihuiacu wrote: > > > > > > Chinese Medicine , " ladylee0999 " > > > <acudoc@> wrote:yes we can definately treat tinnitus with auricular > > > acupuncture an dpranic healing. if u suggest i will definately > > treat > > > him . please mail me on baihuiacu and tell me the > > > standard time at which u will sit and i can heal. bye > > > > > > > > Anyone have any luck treating high pitch, buzzing tinnitus? > > > > > > > > Patient is a 54 year old male, heavy smoker. He says he got it > > from > > > a > > > > drug treatment he was on years ago that degenerated the nerves. > > > > > > > > Lee Tritt, AP, OMD, Dipl. Ac.(NCCAOM) > > > > 321-961-6432 > > > > A LITTLE " NEEDLING " NEVER HURT ANYONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 Hi Anne, lee and everybody, Like our parallel discussion recently I believe on CHA, even though here, it's obvious that tinnitus is a local condition, I think that it's really important to treat the parallel root cause of it as well, and by determining if it's soft or loud, high pitched or low pitched, what accompanying symptoms there are, and what patterns are involved. If you do, it should make a great difference as to the success of the treatment, IMVHO. Lee has given us the information that this patient is a 54 year old heavy smoker, and the ringing sounds like crickets, it's high pitched, and the loudness alternates between soft and loud. So tell us more about the patient: Are there symptoms of liver yang rising or liver fire? Is there damp heat or phlegm accumulation blocking the channels or phlegm fire? is there low back pain? Is there liver blood xu? Is there qi and blood stagnation? Is there spleen or kidney qi xu, etc. Each pattern, if it is treated with specificity, should G-d willing, resolve the pathogenesis and address the root of the tinnitus, whereas when you treat just the local points you are leaving yourself open for the symptoms to return. I find this philosophically parallel to using chemo to treat cancer, or taking an anti-fungal to treat a yeast infection-- unless you use appropriate diagnostic tool and take a thorough history to determine how one eats and lives, and unless you can get them to change the lifestyle that precipitated this imbalance, the symptom will come back either the same way, or even in a more severe way. anne.crowley wrote: Okay, Jamie. Can you give us the reasoning for these. The obvious ones by the ear I can see. Tinnitus can be a stubborn condition to deal with, so I would appeciate any new points ideas. Would really like to know the application behind these. Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- " Whartenby! " <jwhartenby > I am currently treating someone with tinnitus as their main complaint. Here are > the points I took: BL11, BL15, BL23, BL33, GV2, GV4, GV13, GV11, GV20, GB20. > Then, when I turned her over I did GB2, TH21 & 22, BL2. She said that the > ringing in her ears was gone after the first treatment for about 5 days. The > second treatment I don't know yet because I haven't seen her again. > This is a 60+ yr. old woman who has had this for about a year. She's also > suffered from shoulder/neck pain in addition to lower back pain. She's a > retired hair dresser. > > I hope this helps. > Jamie > www.whartenby.com > - > Acudoc > Chinese Medicine > Wednesday, May 02, 2007 6:25 PM > RE: Re: tinnitis > > > Thank you > > When he came in today, he said he actually had a tinnitis free day but it > came back the next day (I scheduled him to skip a day). I tried the points > you suggested in addition to the others I used. > > Any more help or experiences with this condition would be helpful > > Lee Tritt, AP, OMD, Dipl. Ac.(NCCAOM) > 321-961-6432 > A LITTLE " NEEDLING " NEVER HURT ANYONE > > > Chinese Medicine > Chinese MedicineOn Behalf Of > anne.crowley > Tuesday, May 01, 2007 10:26 PM > Chinese Medicine > Re: Re: tinnitis > > Try the obvious suspects SI 19 Listening Palace (my ear is blocked right > now - so I ask myself what is it that I am not listening to) > GB 2 > TH 21 > > Also there is a Master Tung point on the upper leg ( believe half way up > the leg near LR and SP line - sorry can't go look for notes - but it might > be in the archives- or someone else might chime in). I did that point and my > patient noticed a change in the ear ringling right on the table. > > I also, at some point in his treatements, did the 3 amigos above. The all > helped. > > Anne > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > " ladylee0999 " <acudoc > > Thank you for your kind response but I was hoping for acupuncture > > and/or suggestions. He claims the sound is like crickets. I treated > > him twice and had an effect on the sound. It would get louder, > > softer, go away for a few hours at a time....., but it would keep > > coming back. He can not get in to see me more than once per week, > > which I think is part of the problem. > > > > Chinese Medicine , " baihuiacu " > > <baihuiacu wrote: > > > > > > Chinese Medicine , " ladylee0999 " > > > <acudoc@> wrote:yes we can definately treat tinnitus with auricular > > > acupuncture an dpranic healing. if u suggest i will definately > > treat > > > him . please mail me on baihuiacu and tell me the > > > standard time at which u will sit and i can heal. bye > > > > > > > > Anyone have any luck treating high pitch, buzzing tinnitus? > > > > > > > > Patient is a 54 year old male, heavy smoker. He says he got it > > from > > > a > > > > drug treatment he was on years ago that degenerated the nerves. > > > > > > > > Lee Tritt, AP, OMD, Dipl. Ac.(NCCAOM) > > > > 321-961-6432 > > > > A LITTLE " NEEDLING " NEVER HURT ANYONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 I agree that tinnitus is a stubborn condition. This woman has responded to the acupuncture very well. I took these points because of listening to her medical history and listening to her pulses. Her pulse wiry. Also,because of the shoulder/neck tension that's why I did those. She also said she's had reoccuring lowback pain and that' why I did the GV4, BL23 points. So she had some redness around the edges of her tounge. The GV20 and the GB20 was to subdue LV Yang. Sometimes it's hard for me to explain WHY I took this point or that point because the answer is that sometimes I don't really know. I don't just start sticking needles in someone though. I always listen to the pulses several times and listen to what they tell me. I also think that some people just heal better than others regardless of what I do. I hope this helps, Jamie - anne.crowley Chinese Medicine Thursday, May 03, 2007 6:26 AM Re: Re: tinnitis Okay, Jamie. Can you give us the reasoning for these. The obvious ones by the ear I can see. Tinnitus can be a stubborn condition to deal with, so I would appeciate any new points ideas. Would really like to know the application behind these. Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- " Whartenby! " <jwhartenby > I am currently treating someone with tinnitus as their main complaint. Here are > the points I took: BL11, BL15, BL23, BL33, GV2, GV4, GV13, GV11, GV20, GB20. > Then, when I turned her over I did GB2, TH21 & 22, BL2. She said that the > ringing in her ears was gone after the first treatment for about 5 days. The > second treatment I don't know yet because I haven't seen her again. > This is a 60+ yr. old woman who has had this for about a year. She's also > suffered from shoulder/neck pain in addition to lower back pain. She's a > retired hair dresser. > > I hope this helps. > Jamie > www.whartenby.com > - > Acudoc > Chinese Medicine > Wednesday, May 02, 2007 6:25 PM > RE: Re: tinnitis > > > Thank you > > When he came in today, he said he actually had a tinnitis free day but it > came back the next day (I scheduled him to skip a day). I tried the points > you suggested in addition to the others I used. > > Any more help or experiences with this condition would be helpful > > Lee Tritt, AP, OMD, Dipl. Ac.(NCCAOM) > 321-961-6432 > A LITTLE " NEEDLING " NEVER HURT ANYONE > > > Chinese Medicine > Chinese MedicineOn Behalf Of > anne.crowley > Tuesday, May 01, 2007 10:26 PM > Chinese Medicine > Re: Re: tinnitis > > Try the obvious suspects SI 19 Listening Palace (my ear is blocked right > now - so I ask myself what is it that I am not listening to) > GB 2 > TH 21 > > Also there is a Master Tung point on the upper leg ( believe half way up > the leg near LR and SP line - sorry can't go look for notes - but it might > be in the archives- or someone else might chime in). I did that point and my > patient noticed a change in the ear ringling right on the table. > > I also, at some point in his treatements, did the 3 amigos above. The all > helped. > > Anne > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > " ladylee0999 " <acudoc > > Thank you for your kind response but I was hoping for acupuncture > > and/or suggestions. He claims the sound is like crickets. I treated > > him twice and had an effect on the sound. It would get louder, > > softer, go away for a few hours at a time....., but it would keep > > coming back. He can not get in to see me more than once per week, > > which I think is part of the problem. > > > > Chinese Medicine , " baihuiacu " > > <baihuiacu wrote: > > > > > > Chinese Medicine , " ladylee0999 " > > > <acudoc@> wrote:yes we can definately treat tinnitus with auricular > > > acupuncture an dpranic healing. if u suggest i will definately > > treat > > > him . please mail me on baihuiacu and tell me the > > > standard time at which u will sit and i can heal. bye > > > > > > > > Anyone have any luck treating high pitch, buzzing tinnitus? > > > > > > > > Patient is a 54 year old male, heavy smoker. He says he got it > > from > > > a > > > > drug treatment he was on years ago that degenerated the nerves. > > > > > > > > Lee Tritt, AP, OMD, Dipl. Ac.(NCCAOM) > > > > 321-961-6432 > > > > A LITTLE " NEEDLING " NEVER HURT ANYONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 This patient was treated yesterday. He has some Liver fire, lung heat with phlegm, and kidney deficiency. He's a hard one because he did not want to answer questions. After much discussion, he finally admitted to low back pain. He has also had gout in his right toe recently. He is a big, robust man. He also had pitting edema around his ankles and lower legs. His tongue body was very swollen red with wet coat down the center and thick yellow creamy coating on either sides almost to the edges. It was so swollen there were folds and creases. The tip was more swollen. I did treat for the other systems as well as local and distal points suggested by Anne. Sp 6, 9, Lung heat points, and a few others. Today he said that the noise was back to the starting point. Lee Tritt, AP, OMD, Dipl. Ac.(NCCAOM) 321-961-6432 A LITTLE " NEEDLING " NEVER HURT ANYONE Chinese Medicine Chinese MedicineOn Behalf Of yehuda frischman Thursday, May 03, 2007 1:00 PM Chinese Medicine Re: Re: tinnitis Hi Anne, lee and everybody, Like our parallel discussion recently I believe on CHA, even though here, it's obvious that tinnitus is a local condition, I think that it's really important to treat the parallel root cause of it as well, and by determining if it's soft or loud, high pitched or low pitched, what accompanying symptoms there are, and what patterns are involved. If you do, it should make a great difference as to the success of the treatment, IMVHO. Lee has given us the information that this patient is a 54 year old heavy smoker, and the ringing sounds like crickets, it's high pitched, and the loudness alternates between soft and loud. So tell us more about the patient: Are there symptoms of liver yang rising or liver fire? Is there damp heat or phlegm accumulation blocking the channels or phlegm fire? is there low back pain? Is there liver blood xu? Is there qi and blood stagnation? Is there spleen or kidney qi xu, etc. Each pattern, if it is treated with specificity, should G-d willing, resolve the pathogenesis and address the root of the tinnitus, whereas when you treat just the local points you are leaving yourself open for the symptoms to return. I find this philosophically parallel to using chemo to treat cancer, or taking an anti-fungal to treat a yeast infection-- unless you use appropriate diagnostic tool and take a thorough history to determine how one eats and lives, and unless you can get them to change the lifestyle that precipitated this imbalance, the symptom will come back either the same way, or even in a more severe way. anne.crowley wrote: Okay, Jamie. Can you give us the reasoning for these. The obvious ones by the ear I can see. Tinnitus can be a stubborn condition to deal with, so I would appeciate any new points ideas. Would really like to know the application behind these. Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- " Whartenby! " <jwhartenby > I am currently treating someone with tinnitus as their main complaint. Here are > the points I took: BL11, BL15, BL23, BL33, GV2, GV4, GV13, GV11, GV20, GB20. > Then, when I turned her over I did GB2, TH21 & 22, BL2. She said that the > ringing in her ears was gone after the first treatment for about 5 days. The > second treatment I don't know yet because I haven't seen her again. > This is a 60+ yr. old woman who has had this for about a year. She's also > suffered from shoulder/neck pain in addition to lower back pain. She's a > retired hair dresser. > > I hope this helps. > Jamie > www.whartenby.com > - > Acudoc > Chinese Medicine > Wednesday, May 02, 2007 6:25 PM > RE: Re: tinnitis > > > Thank you > > When he came in today, he said he actually had a tinnitis free day but it > came back the next day (I scheduled him to skip a day). I tried the points > you suggested in addition to the others I used. > > Any more help or experiences with this condition would be helpful > > Lee Tritt, AP, OMD, Dipl. Ac.(NCCAOM) > 321-961-6432 > A LITTLE " NEEDLING " NEVER HURT ANYONE > > > Chinese Medicine > Chinese MedicineOn Behalf Of > anne.crowley > Tuesday, May 01, 2007 10:26 PM > Chinese Medicine > Re: Re: tinnitis > > Try the obvious suspects SI 19 Listening Palace (my ear is blocked right > now - so I ask myself what is it that I am not listening to) > GB 2 > TH 21 > > Also there is a Master Tung point on the upper leg ( believe half way up > the leg near LR and SP line - sorry can't go look for notes - but it might > be in the archives- or someone else might chime in). I did that point and my > patient noticed a change in the ear ringling right on the table. > > I also, at some point in his treatements, did the 3 amigos above. The all > helped. > > Anne > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > " ladylee0999 " <acudoc > > Thank you for your kind response but I was hoping for acupuncture > > and/or suggestions. He claims the sound is like crickets. I treated > > him twice and had an effect on the sound. It would get louder, > > softer, go away for a few hours at a time....., but it would keep > > coming back. He can not get in to see me more than once per week, > > which I think is part of the problem. > > > > Chinese Medicine , " baihuiacu " > > <baihuiacu wrote: > > > > > > Chinese Medicine , " ladylee0999 " > > > <acudoc@> wrote:yes we can definately treat tinnitus with auricular > > > acupuncture an dpranic healing. if u suggest i will definately > > treat > > > him . please mail me on baihuiacu and tell me the > > > standard time at which u will sit and i can heal. bye > > > > > > > > Anyone have any luck treating high pitch, buzzing tinnitus? > > > > > > > > Patient is a 54 year old male, heavy smoker. He says he got it > > from > > > a > > > > drug treatment he was on years ago that degenerated the nerves. > > > > > > > > Lee Tritt, AP, OMD, Dipl. Ac.(NCCAOM) > > > > 321-961-6432 > > > > A LITTLE " NEEDLING " NEVER HURT ANYONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 my ds, sister in law and aunt has this, I don't know if your doctor told you this but they have had to change their diet, no salt, or caffine, no chocolate (caffine) that is some of them I know they can't have. I know how misserable they are and can be. good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Hi Anastasia, One of the major causes of tinnitus is a deficiency of manganese. This can also cause muscle aches after exercise. Many years ago, when I was just starting to learn about mineral balance and vitamins, I was playing softball once or twice a week, and getting out of bed sore the next morning. I got a hair analysis on myself, and found that my manganese was very low. I started to supplement and was amazed to find that the following week - no muscle ache! I have not had discernible tinnitus myself, but have solved it many times in various patients with manganese supplements. I used 15-30 mg in pill form. -- Phil Bate PhD http://drbate.com - Free Alternate Health Advice Neuroliminal Training (NT) helps solve mental problems without drugs at low cost. ADD to Autism, Insomnia to depression & more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 thanks for this info, I have aching legs a lot, I never tried to find out why. i looked up manganese, i'll be talking to the local naturopath tomorrow. amazing what just one nutrient can do. i'm also fighting against anorexia and bulumia, i have a lot of issues to get rid of, so it seems likely a deficiency might be there. even trying to eat properly. i've increased the colloidal silver to 3 tablespoons 3 times a day for my mouth thrush. i started meditating again yesterday, not verysuccessful, but i will continue. to think i used to do aromatherapy massage reiki and giuded meditation, seems so long ago. i'm sure getting back to that path life will be a lot better with or without my disabilty. Anastasia --- On Tue, 7/4/09, Dr Bate <drbate wrote: Dr Bate <drbate Re: tinnitis Received: Tuesday, 7 April, 2009, 7:22 PM Hi Anastasia, One of the major causes of tinnitus is a deficiency of manganese. This can also cause muscle aches after exercise. Many years ago, when I was just starting to learn about mineral balance and vitamins, I was playing softball once or twice a week, and getting out of bed sore the next morning. I got a hair analysis on myself, and found that my manganese was very low. I started to supplement and was amazed to find that the following week - no muscle ache! I have not had discernible tinnitus myself, but have solved it many times in various patients with manganese supplements. I used 15-30 mg in pill form. -- Phil Bate PhD http://drbate. com - Free Alternate Health Advice Neuroliminal Training (NT) helps solve mental problems without drugs at low cost. ADD to Autism, Insomnia to depression & more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Hi- Acupuncture and TCM (traditional chinese medicine) have been the most recommended courses I have heard. Good luck...Even among alternative medicine practitioners, tinnitus is a tough egg to crack... Janet " Anastasia " <aphroditeanastasia wrote: > > yesterday i was told i had tinnitus by the ent specialist, > Anastasia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 Anatasia, I have never heard of using collodial silver for thrush. How is that working for you? When I've had thrush or any kind of mouth sore, I've always swished part hydrogen peroxide (a capful from the cap from hydrogren peroxide bottle) and equal part or better of water in my mouth. There's been times I have had to use it up to 4 times a day. It stings, but it works. I even recommend it to friends who have had thrush and they are always amazed at the results. Lara http://naturaloptionsbylara.blogspot.com/ , Anastasia Aphrodite <aphroditeanastasia wrote: > > thanks for this info, I have aching legs a lot, I never tried to find out why. i looked up manganese, i'll be talking to the local naturopath tomorrow. amazing what just one nutrient can do. i'm also fighting against anorexia and bulumia, i have a lot of issues to get rid of, so it seems likely a deficiency might be there. even trying to eat properly. > i've increased the colloidal silver to 3 tablespoons 3 times a day for my mouth thrush. > i started meditating again yesterday, not verysuccessful, but i will continue. to think i used to do aromatherapy massage reiki and giuded meditation, seems so long ago. > i'm sure getting back to that path life will be a lot better with or without my disabilty. > Anastasia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 hi, i tried using the glycerin and it did not subdue the buzzing, but maybe after a few more applications, the noise will stop. thank you for the site, laura --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Sharon <foru2bhealed wrote: Sharon <foru2bhealed Re: tinnitis Sunday, April 5, 2009, 2:41 PM Hello Andy, My son had Tinnitus when he was a teen. He went to the doctor for a round of antibiotics that did not help. When he finally relented to trying my home remedy of Glycerine, it worked. Glycerine should be easy to find at any drug store. I could not find the book where I originally got this remedy, but here's a website where I found it repeated. http://www.mamaherb.com/Treatments/View.aspx?id=1349 Sending you love and light... Sharon http://foru2bhealed.angelfire.com/ ----- , Eandrew T <eandrewt2000 wrote: > > Hi, > I have had tinnitus for years now, the ringing, buzzing in my ear, etc. . I have tried gingko and homeopathic rememdies. I have found nothing that works. Now I hear what sounds like electric motors running all the time...eek! sometimes it sounds like I live next to a factory! I hope somebody else has a good answer? Good luck to U. > ~Andy T > > --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Anastasia <aphroditeanastasia wrote: > > > Anastasia <aphroditeanastasia > tinnitis > > Friday, April 3, 2009, 9:30 PM yesterday i was told i had tinnitus by the ent specialist, and perfect hearing. he said nothing to do about it. after seeing my gp this morning, he suggested gingko biloba. so i bought some after consulting with my chemist for any mixing of my meds, i have essential tremor, asthma and hiatal hernia, so have to check. i hope this works as the noises are driving me crazy. i'm burning essential oils and playing relaxation therapy music. > as i've read also stress can make it worse, > Anastasia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 In addition to the ginkgo, zinc is said to be very helpful. Michelle http://www.HolisticMenopause.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 The best supplement is manganese - that's not magnesium. 15-30 mg per day. A deficiency also leads to muscle ache after exercise as I found out 30 years ago while playing softball in an after 50 group. I used to wake upery Wednesday AM with aching muscles. I found I was short of manganese, and started taking supplements of it. Next Wednesday, no aching muscles. -- Phil Bate PhD http://drbate.com - Free Alternate Health Advice Neuroliminal Training (NT) helps solve mental problems without drugs at low cost. ADD to Autism, Insomnia to depression & more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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