They said surgery will fix it.

September 25, 2004

I also have pain on

the right side of my head when my arm is hurting which I've been

told isn't connected.

If it were me, I'd get Doc's free tape and then take him up on his free phone consultation to get his suggestions. There are different herbal formuals that can help, but I think he could give you a better regimen (for your particular problem) than I could.

Gloria

September 25, 2004

I have an injury from 5/14/03. I work with EI high schools kids &

one of them that was very upset threw me to the ground. I have since

suffered with right arm, elbow, shoulder pain. I also have pain on

the right side of my head when my arm is hurting which I've been

told isn't connected. After 3 stints of OT & PT, it still hurts. My

orthopedic dr has said that the area (my elbow on top & bottom) is

diseased & the only way to make it not hurt is to take out the

diseased stuff that's in there. I don't know what else to do. I do

know that this affects my everyday & my job. I am restricted from

doing my complete job but I've not missed work from this. Does

anyone have any thoughts or ideas on this?

Thank you,

Kim

September 25, 2004

Don't listen to the doctors -- it's *all* connected. I don't know herbally

what you should do (although I'm sure someone here will know more than I),

but I highly recommend you take a dose of homeopathic Arnica, probably in a

200C potency for something like this. Maybe even more than one, spaced a

week or two apart. It doesn't matter how old the injury is; arnica will

help dispel the existing trauma from the body.

This explanation of the use of homeopathic arnica is from a horse site, but

it applies to all traumas, bruises and shocks to the system:

http://www.naturalhorse.com/archive/volume1/Issue1/article_12.php

Sharyn

Kimberly [kdtudman]

I have an injury from 5/14/03.

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Kim -

I'd suggest you start with Arnica 30C, which is a middle of the road

amount to take. Any homeopathic in a 200C is getting into the realm of

you should consult with a homeopathic doctor. Arnica is one of a very

few homeopathic remedies which has a general use for it, as Sharyn said,

for traumas, etc. Otherwise, a homeopathic doctor will take your case

and decide what is the correct remedy for your particular constitution.

Why not try Doc's deep tissue repair formula? BTW, from your email, it

sounds like you ARE having a connected pain. In Chinese medicine, there

are 12 meridians running through our bodies, which start/end from our

feet to the center top of our head. Whatever is along a particular

meridian will be affected.

Jan

Sharyn Cerniglia [sharyn.cerniglia]

Saturday, September 25, 2004 11:57 AM

herbal remedies

RE: Herbal Remedies - They said surgery will fix it.

Don't listen to the doctors -- it's *all* connected. I don't know

herbally what you should do (although I'm sure someone here will know

more than I), but I highly recommend you take a dose of homeopathic

Arnica, probably in a 200C potency for something like this. Maybe even

more than one, spaced a week or two apart. It doesn't matter how old

the injury is; arnica will help dispel the existing trauma from the

body.

This explanation of the use of homeopathic arnica is from a horse site,

but it applies to all traumas, bruises and shocks to the system:

http://www.naturalhorse.com/archive/volume1/Issue1/article_12.php

Sharyn

Kimberly [kdtudman]

I have an injury from 5/14/03.

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Dr.IanShillington

September 25, 2004

Hi Kim,

I'm an independent medical scientist (see

http://medsci.cybernetics-institute.org for who I'm)

with no affiliation with the drug industry. I joined

this list to include herbal remedies in my research.

The problem that most " academic " medical centers have

is that there is not enough " proper " research into

herbal remedies. Part of my research is to examine

this. My view is that clinical research and medicine

is to provide the best care possible and not to use

your patient for your advances in medical science.

To this effect, if you choose a herbal option over the

surgical option, I would like to track your process in

a clinical study. I would not make any recommendations

as to what you choose, unless you ask. My function is

simply to track the results of your choice. This can

be done over the internet, so no travel is required.

If you (or anyone else) are interest in this type of

clinical study please contact me at

medsci_cyberneticsinstitute

Dr. Daniel Carras, PhD, DMSc, MD (defending)

reference;

1. PhD - Philosopher's Degree

2. DMSc - Doctor of Medical Science

3. MD (defending) - I'm defending my medical doctor's

degree and am not licenced

--- Kimberly <kdtudman wrote:

> I have an injury from 5/14/03. I work with EI high

> schools kids &

> one of them that was very upset threw me to the

> ground. I have since

> suffered with right arm, elbow, shoulder pain. I

> also have pain on

> the right side of my head when my arm is hurting

> which I've been

> told isn't connected. After 3 stints of OT & PT, it

> still hurts. My

> orthopedic dr has said that the area (my elbow on

> top & bottom) is

> diseased & the only way to make it not hurt is to

> take out the

> diseased stuff that's in there. I don't know what

> else to do. I do

> know that this affects my everyday & my job. I am

> restricted from

> doing my complete job but I've not missed work from

> this. Does

> anyone have any thoughts or ideas on this?

> Thank you,

> Kim

September 25, 2004

Yeah,

definitely be careful with high dosages. When new to herbs, your body may react

very differently and so don’t jump in head first. Wade in the water, to quote

an old spiritual. J

JG

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Saturday, September 25, 2004

12:33 PM

To:

herbal remedies

RE: Herbal Remedies -

They said surgery will fix it.

Kim -

I'd suggest you start with Arnica 30C, which is a middle of the road

amount to take. Any homeopathic in a 200C is getting into the realm

of

you should consult with a homeopathic doctor. Arnica is one of a very

few homeopathic remedies which has a general use for it, as Sharyn said,

for traumas, etc. Otherwise, a homeopathic doctor will take your case

and decide what is the correct remedy for your particular constitution.

Why not try Doc's deep tissue repair formula? BTW, from your email,

it

sounds like you ARE having a connected pain. In Chinese medicine,

there

are 12 meridians running through our bodies, which start/end from our

feet to the center top of our head. Whatever is along a particular

meridian will be affected.

Jan

Sharyn Cerniglia [sharyn.cerniglia]

Saturday, September 25, 2004 11:57 AM

herbal remedies

RE: Herbal Remedies - They said surgery will fix it.

Don't listen to the doctors -- it's *all* connected. I don't know

herbally what you should do (although I'm sure someone here will know

more than I), but I highly recommend you take a dose of homeopathic

Arnica, probably in a 200C potency for something like this. Maybe

even

more than one, spaced a week or two apart. It doesn't matter how old

the injury is; arnica will help dispel the existing trauma from the

body.

This explanation of the use of homeopathic arnica is from a horse site,

but it applies to all traumas, bruises and shocks to the system:

http://www.naturalhorse.com/archive/volume1/Issue1/article_12.php

Sharyn

Kimberly [kdtudman]

I have an injury from 5/14/03.

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2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural

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and to prescribe for your own health.

We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long

as

they behave themselves.

Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any

person

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It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products

from list members, you are agreeing to

be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and

members free of any liability.

Dr. Ian Shillington

Doctor of Naturopathy

Dr.IanShillington

September 25, 2004

Another option (in addition to the herbs) would be to see a chiro, I had an injury -like whiplash- which caused my left side to be in a LOT of pain, fearful headaches (i was totally nonfunctional with the headache) blind in my left eye, left arm was numb, and i drug my left leg around. The arnica and deep tissue sound like a good to do too. They recommended surgery for me too... but......

diane in nw mt

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Kimberly

herbal remedies

Saturday, September 25, 2004 7:37 AM

Herbal Remedies - They said surgery will fix it.

I have an injury from 5/14/03. I work with EI high schools kids & one of them that was very upset threw me to the ground. I have since suffered with right arm, elbow, shoulder pain. I also have pain on the right side of my head when my arm is hurting which I've been told isn't connected. After 3 stints of OT & PT, it still hurts. My orthopedic dr has said that the area (my elbow on top & bottom) is diseased & the only way to make it not hurt is to take out the diseased stuff that's in there. I don't know what else to do. I do know that this affects my everyday & my job. I am restricted from doing my complete job but I've not missed work from this. Does anyone have any thoughts or ideas on this?Thank you, Kim

September 26, 2004

Hi,

I'm sort of " new " but not really. Mostly a lurker but I just have

to comment here. (Steam blowing out my ears!) LOL.

For one thing: this doctor talks to you like you are a two year old.

I never heard of an orthopedic doctor speak in that kind of speech

therapy.

What does he mean that your elbow is diseased? Did you catch a virus

or something from the dirty floor? I'm sorry, you are in pain and I'm

making fun of this doctor. Please find a new one, fast!

Think of your fall in terms of skeletal positions. You took a hard

fall. Most likely your whole weight fell on those areas that are in

pain. Muscles, joints and bones (not to mention the SPINE) is

involved. Unless you have serious broken bones, surgery needn't be an

option. You are most likely internally bruised with spinal

dislocations that are pinching nerves, besides the internal bruising

of tissues, muscles and bone. All very painful, indeed. All being

able to be healed without drastic surgical procedures. Unless your

elbow joint has been severed or bone fragments are missing, surgery is

but one of many options. Find out all you can on what exactly is

going on with your elbow. Ask to see the x-ray and have him explain

it to you. You can see fractures on x-rays. Ask him to show you what

a normal elbow looks like, if you are not sure what he is showing you.

Surgery is invasive to your system but if you really need it, then

have it done but be informed first about what is going on with your

body.

Above all, be gentle with yourself. Take a nice leisurely bath, to

soak those bruised, stiff areas. Sip on some herbal tea, all cozied

up on the couch, bed or wherever....under the stars. Know you are

loved and honored for the job you do. It takes a special kind of

person to be a Teacher or work in our country's school systems.

That student was hurting, deeply inside and you were the first thing

he saw to take out his frustrations.

Please not that I am NOT condoning what he did to you. Just feeling

the higher contents to his chaos.

I hope you find the perfect remedies so that you can start feeling

whole again.

Sincerely,

Lori

" Kimberly " <kdtudman> wrote:

> I have an injury from 5/14/03. I work with EI high schools kids &

> one of them that was very upset threw me to the ground. I have since

> suffered with right arm, elbow, shoulder pain. I also have pain on

> the right side of my head when my arm is hurting which I've been

> told isn't connected. After 3 stints of OT & PT, it still hurts. My

> orthopedic dr has said that the area (my elbow on top & bottom) is

> diseased & the only way to make it not hurt is to take out the

> diseased stuff that's in there. I don't know what else to do. I do

> know that this affects my everyday & my job. I am restricted from

> doing my complete job but I've not missed work from this. Does

> anyone have any thoughts or ideas on this?

> Thank you,

> Kim

September 26, 2004

I would find a GOOD chiropractor. When I say GOOD I mean talk to people and

find one who doesn't want to see you every other day for weeks on end, who

is gentle, does cranial sacral work, muscle testing, maybe even herbs and

essential oils. In my experience, a chiro that wants a series of xrays as

standard procedure before they will talk to you doens't know what they are

doing- although in your case they may be necessary.

Marisa

Domestic Engineer and Mother of 2

God put Adam and Eve in a Garden NOT a Pharmacy!

> " Kimberly " <kdtudman> wrote:

> > I have an injury from 5/14/03. I work with EI high schools kids &

> > one of them that was very upset threw me to the ground. I have since

> > suffered with right arm, elbow, shoulder pain. I also have pain on

> > the right side of my head when my arm is hurting which I've been

> > told isn't connected. After 3 stints of OT & PT, it still hurts. My

> > orthopedic dr has said that the area (my elbow on top & bottom) is

> > diseased & the only way to make it not hurt is to take out the

> > diseased stuff that's in there. I don't know what else to do. I do

> > know that this affects my everyday & my job. I am restricted from

> > doing my complete job but I've not missed work from this. Does

> > anyone have any thoughts or ideas on this?

> > Thank you,

> > Kim

>

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Justin,

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RE: Herbal Remedies - They said surgery will fix it.

Yeah, definitely be careful with high dosages. When new to herbs, your body may react very differently and so don’t jump in head first. Wade in the water, to quote an old spiritual. J

September 26, 2004

Sorry. added it as my signature and forgot to remove for the group

JG

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>

> Yeah, definitely be careful with high dosages. When new to herbs, your body

may react very differently and so don't jump in head first. Wade in the water,

to

quote an old spiritual. J

>

Justin Giddings

<><

September 26, 2004

Actually, with an injury like that, seeing her every other day for several

weeks may be the answer she needs. The body can only hold an alignment when

it's badly out of alignment for a very short time, then has to be " reminded "

again. In time it will hold it longer and the visits will be tapered.

Chiros don't have you come in every other day for weeks to make money; they

do it because that's the way the body works.

Sharyn

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In my experience, a chiro that wants a series of xrays as

standard procedure before they will talk to you doens't know what they are

doing-

I just started going to a pretty amazing chiro. He takes no x-rays, claiming they are unsafe and he doesn't need them. He practices the Toftness Technique, (no back cracking), and can tell just by touch, sight, and the Toftness scanner, what and where the problem is. Before going this guy, I didn't even know chiros like this existed! He's an older guy, been in the business a loooong time, and really knows his stuff.

Gloria

September 27, 2004

Sometimes it's necessary to be adjusted frequently, but I for one was

strung along uselessly by chiros and none could find what was wrong

with my hip. They all gave me a different diagnosis of what had

happened and how to fix it. There are plenty of Chiro's that will

heard you through.

Look for a mechanotherapist as it's supperior to chiropratic in about

everyway.

Here's a joke about chiropractors that I have found to be so true.

How many chiropractors does it take to screw in a light bulb?

One, but it will take 125 visits to do it.

I'm not doubting that it may require several visits, but many chiros

will certainly yank your chain and empty your wallet for mediocure

results. Been there done that, and won't fall for it again!

herbal remedies , " Sharyn Cerniglia "

<sharyn.cerniglia@v...> wrote:

> Actually, with an injury like that, seeing her every other day for

several

> weeks may be the answer she needs. The body can only hold an

alignment when

> it's badly out of alignment for a very short time, then has to

be " reminded "

> again. In time it will hold it longer and the visits will be

tapered.

> Chiros don't have you come in every other day for weeks to make

money; they

> do it because that's the way the body works.

>

> Sharyn

>

> Corless Family [corless@s...]

>

> find one who doesn't want to see you every other day for weeks on

end,

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Do you have a lot of inflammation? What kind of disease do you have?

If so try wobenzyme as it will surely help the inflammation.

Also sesame oil with clove and wintergreen essential oils will give

pain relief.

herbal remedies , " Kimberly " <kdtudman>

wrote:

> I have an injury from 5/14/03. I work with EI high schools kids &

> one of them that was very upset threw me to the ground. I have

since