Interesting article: Hope, for those with cancer

November 20, 2008

There don't seem to be any doctors offering GcMAF treatment anywhere but the article describes nutrients that are injected. Can these be acquired at healthfood stores and what, exactly would be purchased? Can they be taken orally for the same effect or must they be injected? Seems like it can't hurt to do along with OS.

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oleander soup From: marcswanDate: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:41:02 +0200Re: Interesting article: Hope, for those with cancer

I am relatively skeptical about articles like this one which claim a final cure for cancer. Firstly, the researchers often use markers that are claimed to show that the cancer has been cured. Whether these markers in fact show any such thing, must be shown. Secondly, as in the case of Hulda Clark, some researchers maintain that their test subjects have cancer according to their own definitions and/or markers and then, when these markers show improvement, they claim a cure. Thirdly, many researchers do their tests in a test tube but then fail to duplicate the results on real people. Lastly and most importantly, many people (myself included) believe that cancer is a self-protection mechanism when body cells are being threatened by an imbalance in our inner terrain. The threatened cells then convert from the normal cell-division process of oxidation to the archaic cell-division method of fermentation, a process mediated by a switch mechanism in the mitochondria. This is what Otto Warburg received his Nobel prize for although he did not know about the mitochondrial involvement. Dr Heinrich Kremer of Germany has written a whole book about this (Unfortunately, it is in German and the available translations of one or two chapters are not very good). Cancer cells are thus NOT deemed foreign cells and that is why they are not recognized by our immune systems. According to the oxidation/fermentation theory which view cancer as but a symptom of underlying problems in the body, a process that relies on immune system activation is not viable unless it addresses the inner terrain problem at the same time.

Marc Swanepoel

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Simon

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:05 PM

Re: Interesting article: Hope, for those with cancer

On 11/20/2008, Simon (tanstaafl (AT) libertytrek (DOT) org) wrote:> At a bare minimum, you should always post the full link to the original> article - and I would be very interested in that link...Well, here is one:http://www.thenhf.com/articles/articles_792/articles_792.htm

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November 21, 2008

Agreed...there is so much more to things than we will ever know.

Tammatha

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Marc Swanepoel - PhD

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 10:16 AM

Re: Interesting article: Hope, for those with cancer

I have read all Moritz's books including the one on cancer as a symptom. He has some very interesting points.

Marc S

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Tammatha

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 7:31 PM

Re: Interesting article: Hope, for those with cancer

Hi Marc,

You are on the same thought train it sounds as Andreas Mortiz, he wrote the book "Cancer is not a Disease it is a Survival Mechanism". Wonderful book, I'm sure you have heard of or read. I recently read it and enjoyed it. A must read for anyone who has or had cancer.

Tammatha

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Marc Swanepoel - PhD

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 6:41 AM

Re: Interesting article: Hope, for those with cancer

I am relatively skeptical about articles like this one which claim a final cure for cancer. Firstly, the researchers often use markers that are claimed to show that the cancer has been cured. Whether these markers in fact show any such thing, must be shown. Secondly, as in the case of Hulda Clark, some researchers maintain that their test subjects have cancer according to their own definitions and/or markers and then, when these markers show improvement, they claim a cure. Thirdly, many researchers do their tests in a test tube but then fail to duplicate the results on real people. Lastly and most importantly, many people (myself included) believe that cancer is a self-protection mechanism when body cells are being threatened by an imbalance in our inner terrain. The threatened cells then convert from the normal cell-division process of oxidation to the archaic cell-division method of fermentation, a process mediated by a switch mechanism in the mitochondria. This is what Otto Warburg received his Nobel prize for although he did not know about the mitochondrial involvement. Dr Heinrich Kremer of Germany has written a whole book about this (Unfortunately, it is in German and the available translations of one or two chapters are not very good). Cancer cells are thus NOT deemed foreign cells and that is why they are not recognized by our immune systems. According to the oxidation/fermentation theory which view cancer as but a symptom of underlying problems in the body, a process that relies on immune system activation is not viable unless it addresses the inner terrain problem at the same time.

Marc Swanepoel

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Simon

oleander soup

Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:05 PM

Re: Interesting article: Hope, for those with cancer

On 11/20/2008, Simon (tanstaafl (AT) libertytrek (DOT) org) wrote:> At a bare minimum, you should always post the full link to the original> article - and I would be very interested in that link...Well, here is one:http://www.thenhf.com/articles/articles_792/articles_792.htm

November 24, 2008

Marc, I agree with you completely.Nicely said.Tony

interesting. It's what helps keeps us and our forums going! For more

info see --- In oleander soup , "Marc Swanepoel - PhD" <marcswan wrote:>> I am relatively skeptical about articles like this one which claim a final cure for cancer. Firstly, the researchers often use markers that are claimed to show that the cancer has been cured. Whether these markers in fact show any such thing, must be shown. Secondly, as in the case of Hulda Clark, some researchers maintain that their test subjects have cancer according to their own definitions and/or markers and then, when these markers show improvement, they claim a cure. Thirdly, many researchers do their tests in a test tube but then fail to duplicate the results on real people. Lastly and most importantly, many people (myself included) believe that cancer is a self-protection mechanism when body cells are being threatened by an imbalance in our inner terrain. The threatened cells then convert from the normal cell-division process of oxidation to the archaic cell-division method of fermentation, a process mediated by a switch mechanism in the mitochondria. This is what Otto Warburg received his Nobel prize for although he did not know about the mitochondrial involvement. Dr Heinrich Kremer of Germany has written a whole book about this (Unfortunately, it is in German and the available translations of one or two chapters are not very good). Cancer cells are thus NOT deemed foreign cells and that is why they are not recognized by our immune systems. According to the oxidation/fermentation theory which view cancer as but a symptom of underlying problems in the body, a process that relies on immune system activation is not viable unless it addresses the inner terrain problem at the same time.> > Marc Swanepoel> > - > Simon > oleander soup > Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:05 PM> Re: Interesting article: Hope, for those with cancer> > > On 11/20/2008, Simon (tanstaafl) wrote:> > At a bare minimum, you should always post the full link to the original> > article - and I would be very interested in that link...> > Well, here is one:> > http://www.thenhf.com/articles/articles_792/articles_792.htm>

November 24, 2008

Which prompts me to say a heartfelt thanks for all the research you, and others on this list do. Many come to this list in an extreme state and don't have the strength, or perhaps the time , to sift through so much information. Sometimes desperation makes even the ridiculous seem possible. I like to read the articles that the mainstream touts as some new "hope" for cancer sufferers, but only if it means a cheap and effective measure one can use without going near a hospital! So many people die of so-called therapies - particularly chemo & radiotherapy. In an honest world, they shouldn't be allowed to call them therapies.However, when we find these articles, I guess we should head them with FYI - For Your Information. Sometimes they are another arrow in our quivers, but, as you always say, there is no one answer, no magic

bullet.Thanks again - this is the best ever group!Maracuja--- On Sun, 11/23/08, Tony wrote:Tony Re: Interesting article: Hope, for those with canceroleander soup Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 5:27 PM

Marc, I agree with you completely.Nicely said.Tony

interesting. It's what helps keeps us and our forums going! For more

info see /HowToHelpUs. htmoleander soup, "Marc Swanepoel - PhD" <marcswan wrote:>> I am relatively skeptical about articles like this one which claim a final cure for cancer. Firstly, the researchers often use markers that are claimed to show that the cancer has been cured.

Whether these markers in fact show any such thing, must be shown. Secondly, as in the case of Hulda Clark, some researchers maintain that their test subjects have cancer according to their own definitions and/or markers and then, when these markers show improvement, they claim a cure. Thirdly, many researchers do their tests in a test tube but then fail to duplicate the results on real people. Lastly and most importantly, many people (myself included) believe that cancer is a self-protection mechanism when body cells are being threatened by an imbalance in our inner terrain. The threatened cells then convert from the normal cell-division process of oxidation to the archaic cell-division method of fermentation, a process mediated by a switch mechanism in the mitochondria. This is what Otto Warburg received his Nobel prize for although he did not know about the mitochondrial involvement. Dr Heinrich Kremer of Germany has written a whole book about this

(Unfortunately, it is in German and the available translations of one or two chapters are not very good). Cancer cells are thus NOT deemed foreign cells and that is why they are not recognized by our immune systems. According to the oxidation/fermentat ion theory which view cancer as but a symptom of underlying problems in the body, a process that relies on immune system activation is not viable unless it addresses the inner terrain problem at the same time.> > Marc Swanepoel> > - > Simon > oleander soup > Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:05 PM> Re: Interesting article: Hope, for those with cancer> > > On 11/20/2008, Simon (tanstaafl@. ..) wrote:> > At a bare minimum, you should always post the full link to the original> > article - and I would be very

interested in that link...> > Well, here is one:> > http://www.thenhf. com/articles/ articles_ 792/articles_ 792.htm>