Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 I posted an article about Dr. Hammer a while ago and how he theorized that cancer was caused by a Psychological trauma. Following is an article that was posted on Google news about spontaneous cancer remissions and how there are more cases than it can be explained. Could there be some truth to Dr. Hammer's Theory. He stated that on average, a person get cancer 6 to 10 times in their life time and don't even know it!!!! http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/25/health/25breast.html?ref=health Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 I think it is possible that the physical toll from long term mental distress could provide an invitation for cancer - but in no way will I ever believe that trauma and stress alone cause cancer.One again I take exception to anyone advancing a theory that they have discovered one single universal cause for cancer, whether it be trauma, stress, flukes, fungus, bacteria, virus, myco-toxins, etc. I suspect that, just like those who claim that they have a universal cure for cancer, a prime motivation is to sell books and products.To paraphrase a poster in the CureZone cancer forum I moderate - how can you attribute cancers in infants and young children to trauma? Did their pacifier fall out and role under the sofa and that caused them to get cancer?Eliminating stress, controlling emotions and dealing with psychological issues can all be important tools in beating cancer and I highly recommend everyone fighting cancer do so. In no way would I dare suggest that one should ONLY do those things and neither should Dr. Hammer or anyone else.TonyHTML clipboard --- In oleander soup , "Mike V" <mds9513 wrote:>> I posted an article about Dr. Hammer a while ago and how he theorized> that cancer was caused by a Psychological trauma. Following is an> article that was posted on Google news about spontaneous cancer> remissions and how there are more cases than it can be explained.> Could there be some truth to Dr. Hammer's Theory. He stated that on> average, a person get cancer 6 to 10 times in their life time and> don't even know it!!!!> > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/25/health/25breast.html?ref=health> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Mike I think there is something here but I am not willing to stop all of what I am doing to try it. Duke Stone ----- Dallas, Texas info --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Mike V <mds9513 wrote: Mike V <mds9513 Interesting and true . . .oleander soup Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 10:37 PM I posted an article about Dr. Hammer a while ago and how he theorizedthat cancer was caused by a Psychological trauma. Following is anarticle that was posted on Google news about spontaneous cancerremissions and how there are more cases than it can be explained.Could there be some truth to Dr. Hammer's Theory. He stated that onaverage, a person get cancer 6 to 10 times in their life time anddon't even know it!!!!http://www.nytimes. com/2008/ 11/25/health/ 25breast. html?ref= health Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 I am not saying that Dr. Hammer's Theory is the only reason for cancer and to answer the question about children's cancer, trauma can come from mother before birth, during birth, due to unfit parents, fights and arguments in the home, and etc. Children don't need to be directly involved to suffer trauma. I know several people including myself with cancer and without exception every one I know prior to their cancer had super stressful lives and emotional problems, negative thoughts and a lot of wasted energy. It almost sounds as if the cause of cancer is more directly related to the psychological state of mind rather than toxins and immune system and etc. How else are these unexplained remissions explained. Don't you think that one of the reasons that some cancer patients go into remission is because they change their state of mind where as others that get worse by the day keep thinking about their problem and make it bigger than it is in their own mind, and contribute to its worsening! It is a proven fact that we can find evidence of cancer and its healing marks in 100% of cadavers that are autopsied and there is got to be a mechanism by which those bodies repaired themselves. Ask any one over the age of 70 and they can remember a couple of times in their life where they didn't feel well for a long duration and then suddenly they felt better and better. Could these instances be when they were going through cancer and they didn't even know it. Just my two cents oleander soup , " Tony " wrote: > > I think it is possible that the physical toll from long term mental > distress could provide an invitation for cancer - but in no way will I > ever believe that trauma and stress alone cause cancer. > > One again I take exception to anyone advancing a theory that they have > discovered one single universal cause for cancer, whether it be trauma, > stress, flukes, fungus, bacteria, virus, myco-toxins, etc. I suspect > that, just like those who claim that they have a universal cure for > cancer, a prime motivation is to sell books and products. > > To paraphrase a poster in the CureZone cancer forum I moderate - how can > you attribute cancers in infants and young children to trauma? Did > their pacifier fall out and role under the sofa and that caused them to > get cancer? > > Eliminating stress, controlling emotions and dealing with psychological > issues can all be important tools in beating cancer and I highly > recommend everyone fighting cancer do so. In no way would I dare > suggest that one should ONLY do those things and neither should Dr. > Hammer or anyone else. > > > oleander soup , " Mike V " <mds9513@> wrote: > > > > I posted an article about Dr. Hammer a while ago and how he theorized > > that cancer was caused by a Psychological trauma. Following is an > > article that was posted on Google news about spontaneous cancer > > remissions and how there are more cases than it can be explained. > > Could there be some truth to Dr. Hammer's Theory. He stated that on > > average, a person get cancer 6 to 10 times in their life time and > > don't even know it!!!! > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/25/health/25breast.html?ref=health > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 On 11/26/2008, Mike V (mds9513) wrote: > It almost sounds as if the cause of cancer is more directly related to > the psychological state of mind rather than toxins and immune system > and etc. Stress may be a trigger, but it certainly is not the cause. Otto Warburg won the nobel prize in 1931 for essentially discovering the cause of cancer - cellular hypoxia - although he didn't apply his research to cancer until much later... http://healingtools.tripod.com/primecause1.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 No doubt changes in mental attitude, the same as changes in diet and lifestyle, can have beneficial effects in many ways - including remissiion of cancer. I am not downplaying the role of stress, just saying that anyone who claims it is THE cause of cancer is off base - and in some instances trying to sell a book the same as Tulio Simoncini is hawking his book claiming baking soda is THE cure for cancer. I know of many people who have not had that much apparent trauma or stress and still developed cancer. Of course one can always use the rationale that says maybe they had stress and/or trauma that was not readily apparent to me or others. But that is just too easy - EVERYONE has some stress and trauma in their lives, so we could use the same rationale to say trauma and stress cause every single disease and condition there is. How about this - cancer is pretty much a modern disease and was pretty rare prior to man introducing all the chemicals, pollution, toxic drugs, GMO foods, junk foods, etc. No doubt modern society has lots of stress - but previous generations had incredible trauma and stress (think of the Civil War and WWI and II for examples) and still did not have nearly the incidence of cancers. So I would have to say that trauma and stress can help trigger cancer, but they are not actual causes. oleander soup , "Mike V" <mds9513 wrote:>> I am not saying that Dr. Hammer's Theory is the only reason for cancer> and to answer the question about children's cancer, trauma can come> from mother before birth, during birth, due to unfit parents, fights> and arguments in the home, and etc. Children don't need to be directly> involved to suffer trauma. > > I know several people including myself with cancer and without> exception every one I know prior to their cancer had super stressful> lives and emotional problems, negative thoughts and a lot of wasted> energy.> > It almost sounds as if the cause of cancer is more directly related to> the psychological state of mind rather than toxins and immune system> and etc. > > How else are these unexplained remissions explained. Don't you think> that one of the reasons that some cancer patients go into remission is> because they change their state of mind where as others that get worse> by the day keep thinking about their problem and make it bigger than> it is in their own mind, and contribute to its worsening!> > It is a proven fact that we can find evidence of cancer and its> healing marks in 100% of cadavers that are autopsied and there is got> to be a mechanism by which those bodies repaired themselves. > > Ask any one over the age of 70 and they can remember a couple of times> in their life where they didn't feel well for a long duration and then> suddenly they felt better and better. Could these instances be when> they were going through cancer and they didn't even know it.> > Just my two cents> > > oleander soup , "Tony" @ wrote:> >> > I think it is possible that the physical toll from long term mental> > distress could provide an invitation for cancer - but in no way will I> > ever believe that trauma and stress alone cause cancer.> > > > One again I take exception to anyone advancing a theory that they have> > discovered one single universal cause for cancer, whether it be trauma,> > stress, flukes, fungus, bacteria, virus, myco-toxins, etc. I suspect> > that, just like those who claim that they have a universal cure for> > cancer, a prime motivation is to sell books and products.> > > > To paraphrase a poster in the CureZone cancer forum I moderate - how can> > you attribute cancers in infants and young children to trauma? Did> > their pacifier fall out and role under the sofa and that caused them to> > get cancer?> > > > Eliminating stress, controlling emotions and dealing with psychological> > issues can all be important tools in beating cancer and I highly> > recommend everyone fighting cancer do so. In no way would I dare> > suggest that one should ONLY do those things and neither should Dr.> > Hammer or anyone else.> > > > Tony> > > > HTML clipboard Have you visited our website yet today? The Best Years> > in Life - Live Longer, Healthier and Happier Lives oleander soup , "Mike V" <mds9513@> wrote:> > >> > > I posted an article about Dr. Hammer a while ago and how he theorized> > > that cancer was caused by a Psychological trauma. Following is an> > > article that was posted on Google news about spontaneous cancer> > > remissions and how there are more cases than it can be explained.> > > Could there be some truth to Dr. Hammer's Theory. He stated that on> > > average, a person get cancer 6 to 10 times in their life time and> > > don't even know it!!!!> > >> > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/25/health/25breast.html?ref=health> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Yes! The mind creates the physical. Everything starts in the mind. Not necessarily trauma and stress...just the belief system...I'm not good enough...guilt demands punishment and the mind will create some "problem" to agree with the subconscious mind. Lots of info on this. Nonie EVERYONE has some stress and trauma in their lives, so we could use the same rationale to say trauma and stress cause every single disease and condition there is. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 I think you are right - I think there is a spiritual element in the chronic disease I suffer. Stress just does not help one heal but it can't be the sole reason.I believe it was the result of my own shortcoming in being unforgiving. I believe I have forgiven, but perhaps the disease is a negative response from my subconscious. Recognition of this goes a long way, but it's not enough. Prayer is very helpful - thank God that he already knows what is in the heart, because sometimes the discomfort makes one unable to form words or thoughts. Thanks so much for the reminder.Maracuja--- On Wed, 11/26/08, Nonie <nmsammy wrote:Nonie <nmsammyRE: Re: Interesting and true . . .."oleander soup" <oleander soup >Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 1:52 PM Yes! The mind creates the physical. Everything starts in the mind. Not necessarily trauma and stress...just the belief system...I'm not good enough...guilt demands punishment and the mind will create some "problem" to agree with the subconscious mind. Lots of info on this. Nonie EVERYONE has some stress and trauma in their lives, so we could use the same rationale to say trauma and stress cause every single disease and condition there is. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Maracuja, I do not believe your cancer has anything to do with your being unforgiving. We are all unforgiving at one time or another and forgiving in certain situations can sometimes be very hard. Yet, it is a lesson we must learn. However your belief about this has a lot to do with it. Guilt is a very harmful emotion. Forgive yourself, and don't beat yourself up. We are all human. And you are on the road to healing. Hugs, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 I agree with you 100%. I have seen many people begin a turn around in their health after they began to seriously work on their mind and emotions. Deep-seeded emotions such as anger, resentment, unforgiveness, guilt, negativity, etc. all play a part in illness. I also notice that those who hang around with people who are negative/angry/cynical or people who are overally sympathetic have a more difficult time in getting well. We don’t need people to cry with us when we are fighting disease, we need people to cheer us on and believe in what we are doing to get well. We also need people who will pray for us and we need to be willing to pray for ourselves. Be proactive, be positive, love life, live life, laugh, take long walks, read positive books, enjoy nature, meditate and get the stress out! If this means a change of friends, scenery, job, etc. then do it remembering that this is only for a season. I know that to some this sounds like stuff that is way-out-there and maybe even ridiculous. Almost nine years ago, I would have thought exactly the same thing because I thought I had that part of my life “together.” Well, I was wrong and boy did I ever have to be willing to change. Difficult? Absolutely one of the hardest things I have ever had to change. AND, most likely one of the things that had the most impact toward my healing. Those that are willing to learn how to quiet their mind have truly found a diamond. Be Well Loretta --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Nonie <nmsammy wrote: Yes! The mind creates the physical. Everything starts in the mind. Not necessarily trauma and stress...just the belief system...I'm not good enough...guilt demands punishment and the mind will create some " problem " to agree with the subconscious mind. Lots of info on this. Nonie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Excellent post, Dr. L! I too agree that stress and mental issues contribute negatively to health and addressing and eliminating them help pave the way to recovery. To quote from my Anti Cancer Protocol and my book : The final key to winning your battle is your mental attitude. Remove as much stress from your life as you can and believe that you are going to win. Stress and worry accomplish nothing – worse, they are actually allies of illness and disease. You have surely heard the term "stress, the silent killer"? It's true! So you must do whatever it takes to remove stress from your life and make your mental attitude your ally. Meditate, take yoga, change jobs, retire, go fishing, find a pleasant hobby – do whatever you must to remove stress and have a positive mental outlook. Just remember, anyone who introduces or keeps worry and stress in your life is neither a friend nor an ally during this fight. And make no mistake, it is a fight - likely the most important one of your life. But it is a fight you can and will win. Think it, believe it and live it. Live long, live healthy, live happy! oleander soup , "Dr. Loretta Lanphier" <drlanphier wrote:>> I agree with you 100%. I have seen many people begin a turn around in their> health after they began to seriously work on their mind and emotions.> Deep-seeded emotions such as anger, resentment, unforgiveness, guilt,> negativity, etc. all play a part in illness. I also notice that those who> hang around with people who are negative/angry/cynical or people who are> overally sympathetic have a more difficult time in getting well. We don't> need people to cry with us when we are fighting disease, we need people to> cheer us on and believe in what we are doing to get well. We also need> people who will pray for us and we need to be willing to pray for ourselves.> > > Be proactive, be positive, love life, live life, laugh, take long walks,> read positive books, enjoy nature, meditate and get the stress out! If this> means a change of friends, scenery, job, etc. then do it remembering that> this is only for a season.> > I know that to some this sounds like stuff that is way-out-there and maybe> even ridiculous. Almost nine years ago, I would have thought exactly the> same thing because I thought I had that part of my life "together." Well, I> was wrong and boy did I ever have to be willing to change. Difficult?> Absolutely one of the hardest things I have ever had to change. AND, most> likely one of the things that had the most impact toward my healing. > > > > Those that are willing to learn how to quiet their mind have truly found a> diamond.> > Be Well> Loretta> > > > _____ > > --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Nonie nmsammy wrote:> > Yes! The mind creates the physical. Everything starts in the mind. Not> necessarily trauma and stress...just the belief system...I'm not good> enough...guilt demands punishment and the mind will create some "problem" to> agree with the subconscious mind.> > Lots of info on this.> > > Nonie> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Hi Maracuja, You're welcome!! I need daily reminders...well, actually, minute reminders!! I love Catherine Ponders' books..especially "The Prospering Power of Love". And Louise Hay. And Marianne Williamson. Don't forget to forgive yourself, too! We are all doing the best we can. Nonie I think you are right - I think there is a spiritual element in the chronic disease I suffer. Stress just does not help one heal but it can't be the sole reason.I believe it was the result of my own shortcoming in being unforgiving. I believe I have forgiven, but perhaps the disease is a negative response from my subconscious. Recognition of this goes a long way, but it's not enough. Prayer is very helpful - thank God that he already knows what is in the heart, because sometimes the discomfort makes one unable to form words or thoughts. Thanks so much for the reminder.Maracuja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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