fungal infection in HIV/HEP C individual

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--- On Wed, 1/7/09, Nelly C. <nellycave wrote:

Nelly C. <nellycaveoleander soup Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 10:45 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Hello and thanks to all of you for your input,

 

Husband is taking OPC/sutherlandia since last June (3 caps twice a day), plus essiac, plus Klamath algae, selenium, vit B, milk thistle and more. He started CS in October.Now waiting for NAC and Alpha lipoic acid, curcumin, black seed oil to add for HIV. He has been off ARVs since May but was on them for about 14 years (from monotherapy to HAART) including several years on Bactrim Forte ... (we were young, scared and not so well informed when he was diagnosed).

 

 

Anyway, we are going to test for fungal infection as suggested by Duke but in the meantime would like try some mms to see what happens. The ulcers are not candida but seem more like canker sores as Arthur suggests. However hub also suffers on and off from dermatatis seborica (scalp and face) which I think could indicate fungal infection or perhaps be due to the liver problem??? Also not sure whether to start mms until he has done the blood test for fungal infection because wonder if it could effect the results??

 

Anyway thanks for all the advice. I will keep you posted.

 

Nelly

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Besides colloidal silver. some of the best anti-fungal agents are:

 

 

Garlic

 

Olive leaf extract

 

Oil of wild mountain oregano

 

Grapefruit seed extract

Colloidal silver must be taken in good quantity (a couple of ounces a day) to have the best chance of success against candida and stomach bacteria. One should also use probiotics to keep the good bacteria flourishing and digestive enzymes are a good idea too, particularly in the presence of ulcers. Bentonite clay is also highly recommended to fight candida.

Now, you say canker sores instead of ulcers? Where and what are we talking about. By definition, canker sore are ONLY open sores in the soft tissues of the mouth. Ulcers are sores inside the stomach, generally caused by the bacterium Helicobacter pylori burrowing through the stomach lining. Injury of the gastric mucosal lining, and weakening of the mucous defenses are also responsible for gastric ulcers. Excess secretion of hydrochloric acid, genetic predisposition, and psychological stress are important contributing factors in the formation and worsening of duodenal ulcers.Another major cause of ulcers is the chronic use of anti-inflammatory medications, such as aspirin. Cigarette smoking is also an important cause of ulcer formation and ulcer treatment failure.

For ulcers:

 

 

Bananas. Eat at least three bananas a day. These fruits contain an antibacterial substance that may inhibit the growth of ulcer-causing H. pylori. And studies show that animals fed bananas have a thicker stomach wall and greater mucus production in the stomach, which helps build a better barrier between digestive acids and the lining of the stomach. Eating plantains is also helpful.

 

Cayenne pepper. Cayenne pepper is a wonderful ulcer healing spice. And it dulls the pain! It's a bit strong and may take getting used to. Start with one-eighth teaspoon of cayenne pepper in a glass of water twice a day. Work your way up to a quarter-teaspoon. If you would rather, you can take cayenne capsules that you can get at the health food store. Take three a day right after meals.

 

Raw cabbage. The best home remedy that I know is raw cabbage. To make it easy, juice your cabbage with a juicer. Try mixing it with carrots in your juicer to make it go down easier! (it's not too bad, honest!) Drink half a cup of the juice before each meal and at bed time (make sure that it is fresh!). Don't be surprised if you ulcer is gone within a few weeks!

 

Garlic. Garlic's antibacterial properties include fighting H. pylori. Take two small crushed cloves a day.

 

Plums. Red- and purple-colored foods inhibit the growth of H. pylori. Like plums, berries too can help.

 

Slippery Elm Bark. The bark of slippery elm is used for its ability to soothe the mucous membranes that line the stomach and duodenumm. It's often taken in powdered form. Some herbalists recommend taking about one teaspoon of powdered slippery elm bark (added to one cup of warm water to form a gruel-like substance) three times a day.

 

Honey. Honey soothes and reduces inflammation of the lining of the stomach.

 

A few other great ulcer remedies are: barley water, aloe juice, propolis capsules, licorice root or marshmallow root.

Is your husband doing all that I recommend to cleanse, protect and regenerate the liver? In additon to liver cleanses:

 

 

Coffee enemas - help open the bile ducts so bile and toxins can be released properly.

 

Coconut oil - a wonderful item everyone should take, it helps maintain a good bile flow.

 

Beetroot juice - is also good for the liver and bile flow.

 

Turmeric - is a cancer fighter itself, especially for smokers, and it helps regulate bile flow.

 

Milk thistle - is a must as it helps protect the liver and actually regenerate it

 

Alpha lipoic acid - another liver supplement that also helps fight cancer and HIV

 

Selenium - a third liver supplement that is good against cancer and HIV too.

 

In the Berkson Clinical Study, three women who were facing liver transplants or chemo with interferon (a horrendous treatment with very low success rates for hepatitis and cirhossis), took milk thistle, alpha lipoic acid and selenium, modified their diets a bit and got some daily exercise and restored their liver functions to normal.

The coconut oil should help with the ulcers as well.

oleander soup , "Nelly C." <nellycave wrote:>> > > --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Nelly C. nellycave wrote:> > > Nelly C. nellycave > oleander soup > Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 10:45 AM> > > > > > > > Hello and thanks to all of you for your input,> > Husband is taking OPC/sutherlandia since last June (3 caps twice a day), plus essiac, plus Klamath algae, selenium, vit B, milk thistle and more. He started CS in October.Now waiting for NAC and Alpha lipoic acid, curcumin, black seed oil to add for HIV. He has been off ARVs since May but was on them for about 14 years (from monotherapy to HAART) including several years on Bactrim Forte ... (we were young, scared and not so well informed when he was diagnosed).> > > Anyway, we are going to test for fungal infection as suggested by Duke but in the meantime would like try some mms to see what happens. The ulcers are not candida but seem more like canker sores as Arthur suggests. However hub also suffers on and off from dermatatis seborica (scalp and face) which I think could indicate fungal infection or perhaps be due to the liver problem??? Also not sure whether to start mms until he has done the blood test for fungal infection because wonder if it could effect the results??> > Anyway thanks for all the advice. I will keep you posted.> > Nelly> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hello Tony,

 

Thanks for the all the advice. I think I need to re-read everything I

have received over the last few months and rethink hubbies regime. I

am adding things in but also need to take some stuff out otherwise it

will seem as if he is taking everything except the kitchen sink plus

it is getting seriously expensive.

 

Now what are these awful things in my husbands mouth that make he so

grouchy? I think the correct term is canker sores - they are what I

would call in plain British English " mouth ulcers " . They are reddish

open sores that are painful sting expecially when eating tangy/acidic

foods fruits. They sometimes look a little like blisters before

bursting. They are located mainly on the sides and bottom of his

tongue and sometimes on inner lips. They do not seem to be candida

because they are not white and fluffy. They are not in the throat.

Hub says it feels like someone is putting out cigarettes on his

tongue. He sometimes has trouble talking when he has a lot on the

sides of his tongue.

 

His sister also suffers from them altho she is neither hepc nor hiv

positive.

 

Nelly

 

PS Are Utopia closed for holidays? Have been waiting for confirmation

of an international order enquiry since Monday but no sign of a reply

yet?

 

 

 

oleander soup , " Tony " wrote:

>

>

> Besides colloidal silver. some of the best anti-fungal agents are:

>

> *

> Garlic

>

> *

> Olive leaf extract

>

> *

> Oil of wild mountain oregano

>

> *

> Grapefruit seed extract

>

>

> Colloidal silver must be taken in good quantity (a couple of ounces

a

> day) to have the best chance of success against candida and stomach

> bacteria. One should also use probiotics to keep the good bacteria

> flourishing and digestive enzymes are a good idea too, particularly

in

> the presence of ulcers. Bentonite clay is also highly recommended to

> fight candida.

>

> Now, you say canker sores instead of ulcers? Where and what are we

> talking about. By definition, canker sore are ONLY open sores in the

> soft tissues of the mouth. Ulcers are sores inside the stomach,

> generally caused by the bacterium Helicobacter pylori burrowing

through

> the stomach lining. Injury of the gastric mucosal lining, and

weakening

> of the mucous defenses are also responsible for gastric ulcers.

Excess

> secretion of hydrochloric acid, genetic predisposition, and

> psychological stress are important contributing factors in the

formation

> and worsening of duodenal ulcers.

>

> Another major cause of ulcers is the chronic use of anti-

inflammatory

> medications, such as aspirin. Cigarette smoking is also an important

> cause of ulcer formation and ulcer treatment failure.

>

> For ulcers:

>

> *

> Bananas. Eat at least three bananas a day. These fruits contain an

> antibacterial substance that may inhibit the growth of ulcer-

causing H.

> pylori. And studies show that animals fed bananas have a thicker

stomach

> wall and greater mucus production in the stomach, which helps build

a

> better barrier between digestive acids and the lining of the

stomach.

> Eating plantains is also helpful.

>

> *

> Cayenne pepper. Cayenne pepper is a wonderful ulcer healing spice.

And

> it dulls the pain! It's a bit strong and may take getting used to.

Start

> with one-eighth teaspoon of cayenne pepper in a glass of water

twice a

> day. Work your way up to a quarter-teaspoon. If you would rather,

you

> can take cayenne capsules that you can get at the health food store.

> Take three a day right after meals.

>

> *

> Raw cabbage. The best home remedy that I know is raw cabbage. To

make it

> easy, juice your cabbage with a juicer. Try mixing it with carrots

in

> your juicer to make it go down easier! (it's not too bad, honest!)

Drink

> half a cup of the juice before each meal and at bed time (make sure

that

> it is fresh!). Don't be surprised if you ulcer is gone within a few

> weeks!

>

> *

> Garlic. Garlic's antibacterial properties include fighting H.

pylori.

> Take two small crushed cloves a day.

>

> *

> Plums. Red- and purple-colored foods inhibit the growth of H.

pylori.

> Like plums, berries too can help.

>

> *

> Slippery Elm Bark. The bark of slippery elm is used for its

ability to

> soothe the mucous membranes that line the stomach and duodenumm.

It's

> often taken in powdered form. Some herbalists recommend taking

about one

> teaspoon of powdered slippery elm bark (added to one cup of warm

water

> to form a gruel-like substance) three times a day.

>

> *

> Honey. Honey soothes and reduces inflammation of the lining of the

> stomach.

>

> *

> A few other great ulcer remedies are: barley water, aloe juice,

propolis

> capsules, licorice root or marshmallow root.

>

>

> Is your husband doing all that I recommend to cleanse, protect and

> regenerate the liver? In additon to liver cleanses:

>

> *

> Coffee enemas - help open the bile ducts so bile and toxins can be

> released properly.

>

> *

> Coconut oil - a wonderful item everyone should take, it helps

maintain a

> good bile flow.

>

> *

> Beetroot juice - is also good for the liver and bile flow.

>

> *

> Turmeric - is a cancer fighter itself, especially for smokers, and

it

> helps regulate bile flow.

>

> *

> Milk thistle - is a must as it helps protect the liver and actually

> regenerate it

>

> *

> Alpha lipoic acid - another liver supplement that also helps fight

> cancer and HIV

>

> *

> Selenium - a third liver supplement that is good against cancer and

HIV

> too.

>

> *

> In the Berkson Clinical Study, three women who were facing liver

> transplants or chemo with interferon (a horrendous treatment with

very

> low success rates for hepatitis and cirhossis), took milk thistle,

alpha

> lipoic acid and selenium, modified their diets a bit and got some

daily

> exercise and restored their liver functions to normal.

>

>

> The coconut oil should help with the ulcers as well.

>

> >

> oleander soup , " Nelly C. " <nellycave@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Nelly C. nellycave@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Nelly C. nellycave@

> > Subject:

> > oleander soup

> > Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 10:45 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hello and thanks to all of you for your input,

> >

> > Husband is taking OPC/sutherlandia since last June (3 caps twice a

> day), plus essiac, plus Klamath algae, selenium, vit B, milk

thistle and

> more. He started CS in October.Now waiting for NAC and Alpha lipoic

> acid, curcumin, black seed oil to add for HIV. He has been off ARVs

> since May but was on them for about 14 years (from monotherapy to

HAART)

> including several years on Bactrim Forte ... (we were young, scared

and

> not so well informed when he was diagnosed).

> >

> >

> > Anyway, we are going to test for fungal infection as suggested by

Duke

> but in the meantime would like try some mms to see what happens. The

> ulcers are not candida but seem more like canker sores as Arthur

> suggests. However hub also suffers on and off from dermatatis

seborica

> (scalp and face) which I think could indicate fungal infection or

> perhaps be due to the liver problem??? Also not sure whether to

start

> mms until he has done the blood test for fungal infection because

wonder

> if it could effect the results??

> >

> > Anyway thanks for all the advice. I will keep you posted.

> >

> > Nelly

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Nelly,

These are canker sores or mouth ulcers, one and the same.

I used to have these too but learned that one of the main causes is a

lack of a B vitamin. I believe it was Riboflavin or Vit B 3 that helps

this. I suggest a full B complex 100 mgs and then take an extra B3.

I know that I also have used the Black strap molasses because it is

very healing in the mouth for sores. I like to take spoonfuls of it and

swirl it in the mouth and slowly swallow. It will soothe and heal this

too.

I tell people to learn to like the taste of it because it is full of

nutrition. Good source of potassium and minerals. Try this because I

know it will help.

 

Kathryn

 

 

 

 

 

oleander soup , " N. Cave " <nellycave wrote:

>

> Hello Tony,

>

> Thanks for the all the advice. I think I need to re-read everything I

> have received over the last few months and rethink hubbies regime. I

> am adding things in but also need to take some stuff out otherwise it

> will seem as if he is taking everything except the kitchen sink plus

> it is getting seriously expensive.

>

> Now what are these awful things in my husbands mouth that make he so

> grouchy? I think the correct term is canker sores - they are what I

> would call in plain British English " mouth ulcers " . They are reddish

> open sores that are painful sting expecially when eating tangy/acidic

> foods fruits. They sometimes look a little like blisters before

> bursting. They are located mainly on the sides and bottom of his

> tongue and sometimes on inner lips. They do not seem to be candida

> because they are not white and fluffy. They are not in the throat.

> Hub says it feels like someone is putting out cigarettes on his

> tongue. He sometimes has trouble talking when he has a lot on the

> sides of his tongue.

>

> His sister also suffers from them altho she is neither hepc nor hiv

> positive.

>

> Nelly

>

> PS Are Utopia closed for holidays? Have been waiting for confirmation

> of an international order enquiry since Monday but no sign of a reply

> yet?

>

>

>

> oleander soup , " Tony " @ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Besides colloidal silver. some of the best anti-fungal agents are:

> >

> > *

> > Garlic

> >

> > *

> > Olive leaf extract

> >

> > *

> > Oil of wild mountain oregano

> >

> > *

> > Grapefruit seed extract

> >

> >

> > Colloidal silver must be taken in good quantity (a couple of ounces

> a

> > day) to have the best chance of success against candida and stomach

> > bacteria. One should also use probiotics to keep the good bacteria

> > flourishing and digestive enzymes are a good idea too, particularly

> in

> > the presence of ulcers. Bentonite clay is also highly recommended to

> > fight candida.

> >

> > Now, you say canker sores instead of ulcers? Where and what are we

> > talking about. By definition, canker sore are ONLY open sores in the

> > soft tissues of the mouth. Ulcers are sores inside the stomach,

> > generally caused by the bacterium Helicobacter pylori burrowing

> through

> > the stomach lining. Injury of the gastric mucosal lining, and

> weakening

> > of the mucous defenses are also responsible for gastric ulcers.

> Excess

> > secretion of hydrochloric acid, genetic predisposition, and

> > psychological stress are important contributing factors in the

> formation

> > and worsening of duodenal ulcers.

> >

> > Another major cause of ulcers is the chronic use of anti-

> inflammatory

> > medications, such as aspirin. Cigarette smoking is also an important

> > cause of ulcer formation and ulcer treatment failure.

> >

> > For ulcers:

> >

> > *

> > Bananas. Eat at least three bananas a day. These fruits contain an

> > antibacterial substance that may inhibit the growth of ulcer-

> causing H.

> > pylori. And studies show that animals fed bananas have a thicker

> stomach

> > wall and greater mucus production in the stomach, which helps build

> a

> > better barrier between digestive acids and the lining of the

> stomach.

> > Eating plantains is also helpful.

> >

> > *

> > Cayenne pepper. Cayenne pepper is a wonderful ulcer healing spice.

> And

> > it dulls the pain! It's a bit strong and may take getting used to.

> Start

> > with one-eighth teaspoon of cayenne pepper in a glass of water

> twice a

> > day. Work your way up to a quarter-teaspoon. If you would rather,

> you

> > can take cayenne capsules that you can get at the health food store.

> > Take three a day right after meals.

> >

> > *

> > Raw cabbage. The best home remedy that I know is raw cabbage. To

> make it

> > easy, juice your cabbage with a juicer. Try mixing it with carrots

> in

> > your juicer to make it go down easier! (it's not too bad, honest!)

> Drink

> > half a cup of the juice before each meal and at bed time (make sure

> that

> > it is fresh!). Don't be surprised if you ulcer is gone within a few

> > weeks!

> >

> > *

> > Garlic. Garlic's antibacterial properties include fighting H.

> pylori.

> > Take two small crushed cloves a day.

> >

> > *

> > Plums. Red- and purple-colored foods inhibit the growth of H.

> pylori.

> > Like plums, berries too can help.

> >

> > *

> > Slippery Elm Bark. The bark of slippery elm is used for its

> ability to

> > soothe the mucous membranes that line the stomach and duodenumm.

> It's

> > often taken in powdered form. Some herbalists recommend taking

> about one

> > teaspoon of powdered slippery elm bark (added to one cup of warm

> water

> > to form a gruel-like substance) three times a day.

> >

> > *

> > Honey. Honey soothes and reduces inflammation of the lining of the

> > stomach.

> >

> > *

> > A few other great ulcer remedies are: barley water, aloe juice,

> propolis

> > capsules, licorice root or marshmallow root.

> >

> >

> > Is your husband doing all that I recommend to cleanse, protect and

> > regenerate the liver? In additon to liver cleanses:

> >

> > *

> > Coffee enemas - help open the bile ducts so bile and toxins can be

> > released properly.

> >

> > *

> > Coconut oil - a wonderful item everyone should take, it helps

> maintain a

> > good bile flow.

> >

> > *

> > Beetroot juice - is also good for the liver and bile flow.

> >

> > *

> > Turmeric - is a cancer fighter itself, especially for smokers, and

> it

> > helps regulate bile flow.

> >

> > *

> > Milk thistle - is a must as it helps protect the liver and actually

> > regenerate it

> >

> > *

> > Alpha lipoic acid - another liver supplement that also helps fight

> > cancer and HIV

> >

> > *

> > Selenium - a third liver supplement that is good against cancer and

> HIV

> > too.

> >

> > *

> > In the Berkson Clinical Study, three women who were facing liver

> > transplants or chemo with interferon (a horrendous treatment with

> very

> > low success rates for hepatitis and cirhossis), took milk thistle,

> alpha

> > lipoic acid and selenium, modified their diets a bit and got some

> daily

> > exercise and restored their liver functions to normal.

> >

> >

> > The coconut oil should help with the ulcers as well.

> >

> > > >

> > oleander soup , " Nelly C. " <nellycave@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Nelly C. nellycave@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Nelly C. nellycave@

> > > Subject:

> > > oleander soup

> > > Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 10:45 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hello and thanks to all of you for your input,

> > >

> > > Husband is taking OPC/sutherlandia since last June (3 caps twice a

> > day), plus essiac, plus Klamath algae, selenium, vit B, milk

> thistle and

> > more. He started CS in October.Now waiting for NAC and Alpha lipoic

> > acid, curcumin, black seed oil to add for HIV. He has been off ARVs

> > since May but was on them for about 14 years (from monotherapy to

> HAART)

> > including several years on Bactrim Forte ... (we were young, scared

> and

> > not so well informed when he was diagnosed).

> > >

> > >

> > > Anyway, we are going to test for fungal infection as suggested by

> Duke

> > but in the meantime would like try some mms to see what happens. The

> > ulcers are not candida but seem more like canker sores as Arthur

> > suggests. However hub also suffers on and off from dermatatis

> seborica

> > (scalp and face) which I think could indicate fungal infection or

> > perhaps be due to the liver problem??? Also not sure whether to

> start

> > mms until he has done the blood test for fungal infection because

> wonder

> > if it could effect the results??

> > >

> > > Anyway thanks for all the advice. I will keep you posted.

> > >

> > > Nelly

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Usually this is caused by not having the right bacteria in your gut. My mother and brother both suffered with mouth ulcers for years. My Mom had them so bad she'd beat the table with her first when she ate, because everything made them burn and hurt so bad, and she'd have 3 and 4 at a time. My brother didn't have it that bad, usually only had one at a time. They tried everything the doctor gave them, even going so far as to take a vaccination. I think it was measles or small pox--I forget which. It was suppose to stop the outbreaks. It didn't work for either of them.

 

Finally I made my Mom try acidophilus. It worked so great for her that she told my brother and he started taking it. When he told his doctor what was helping him, his doc told him about a better product--Lysodophilus and Friends, it was called back then. Don't know if it's still on the market or not, but it was lysene and acidophilus and a couple other strains of probiotics in one product.

 

They both had to it for about 2 to 3 years before they could quit taking it without getting an outbreak again. They finally got enough probiotics in their gut to handle the problem.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Samala,

Renee

 

----

 

Now what are these awful things in my husbands mouth that make he so

grouchy? I think the correct term is canker sores - they are what I

would call in plain British English "mouth ulcers".

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all the input.

 

Vit B complex and lactoacidophilus both seem to help but when the

ulcers finally clear up they seem to hover in the background for a

while and then break out again. I think hub needs to be more consistent

with the lactoacidophilus but also want to find out if there is an

underlying fungal infection at the root of the problem.

 

Anyway, after all recent input am rethinking supplements for hub's

whole complicated picture and really appreciate the advice received

from everyone.

 

Nelly