question about preserving Oleander soup with vodka or ACV

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I have a question about the following step that describes mixing the

Oleander soup with vodka or apple cider vinegar:

 

" To preserve the product, you can mix the remaining with 80 proof

vodka, or apple cider vinegar (organic non-distilled is by far the

best), 50/50 as a preservative, extending shelf life by at least 6

months. For flavor, you may choose to add some of your favorite

pancake syrup, such as boysenberry, for flavoring, in moderation. "

 

When you mix it 50/50 (half Oleander soup and half vodka or apple

cider vinegar), do you need to take twice as much as the normal

recommended dose since it's diluted in half?

 

Is 1 Tablespoon three time per day the maximum dose one should work up

to? What dosage of Sutherlandia OPC does that compare to?

 

Also how long is Oleander soup good for without preserving it for the

extra 6 months?

 

One more question regarding making it into a skin cream. When you

boil it down to a syrup, approximately by how much does the total

volume of liquid decrease by? " Light syrup " is kind of vague. The

instructions for the soup more clearly states that at the end you end

up with about 30% of the original liquid. Can you give me an

approximate percentage of what you should end up with to get to a good

consistency for a hand cream? Is it something like 5 or 10% of the

original liquid?

I was actually going to measure the amount of liquid I start with in

the pot with a ruler and kind of base the rest off of that.

 

Thanks you so much! I'm about to make my first batch. :-)

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Organic non-distilled apple cider vinegar is no longer recommended as a preservative - instead use distilled for superior preservative properties (even though organic non-distilled is better if you take apple cider vinegar by itself).

No, you do not double the amount taken - preserving 50/50 is part of the instructions.

Do not make it without preserving it. Period. Nowhere in the instructions does it say anything about it being permissable to make without preserving it. If you do not preserve it, it will begin to deteriorate (spoil) soon thereafter, the same as any juice type item or other food item would.

I believe that the 1 tablespoon is the same as 5 ml of OPC extract, even though you can work up to three times the single dose amount of OPC (15 ml).

Yes, light syrup is kind of vague. Perhaps less vague would be as thick as you can get it without scorching it. It is not intended to ever use as a hand cream, but rather as a skin cream you apply directly to spots you wish to treat.

The best way to measure is to use a hydrometer and condense until you have 1.07 the weight of an equal volume of water. 30% (or roughly 1/3) is a good rough guestimate that is close enough to work just fine, but the hydrometer measure will insure that you are much closer to the patented Anvirzel the home remedy was modeled after. Using the 30% measurement does not and cannot take into account the differences that will naturally occur from one plant and climate to another.

oleander soup , "Katy" <katypomelov wrote:>> I have a question about the following step that describes mixing the> Oleander soup with vodka or apple cider vinegar:> > "To preserve the product, you can mix the remaining with 80 proof> vodka, or apple cider vinegar (organic non-distilled is by far the> best), 50/50 as a preservative, extending shelf life by at least 6> months. For flavor, you may choose to add some of your favorite> pancake syrup, such as boysenberry, for flavoring, in moderation."> > When you mix it 50/50 (half Oleander soup and half vodka or apple> cider vinegar), do you need to take twice as much as the normal> recommended dose since it's diluted in half? > > Is 1 Tablespoon three time per day the maximum dose one should work up> to? What dosage of Sutherlandia OPC does that compare to?> > Also how long is Oleander soup good for without preserving it for the> extra 6 months?> > One more question regarding making it into a skin cream. When you> boil it down to a syrup, approximately by how much does the total> volume of liquid decrease by? "Light syrup" is kind of vague. The> instructions for the soup more clearly states that at the end you end> up with about 30% of the original liquid. Can you give me an> approximate percentage of what you should end up with to get to a good> consistency for a hand cream? Is it something like 5 or 10% of the> original liquid?> I was actually going to measure the amount of liquid I start with in> the pot with a ruler and kind of base the rest off of that.> > Thanks you so much! I'm about to make my first batch. :-)>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Tony, that makes more sense now.

When you say distilled vinegar do you mean distilled white vinegar or

something else? Or maybe there's a distilled apple cider vinegar?

I'm not really sure what types of distilled vinegar there are.

 

 

oleander soup , " Tony " wrote:

>

> Organic non-distilled apple cider vinegar is no longer recommended as a

> preservative - instead use distilled for superior preservative

> properties (even though organic non-distilled is better if you take

> apple cider vinegar by itself).

>

> No, you do not double the amount taken - preserving 50/50 is part of the

> instructions.

>

> Do not make it without preserving it. Period. Nowhere in the

> instructions does it say anything about it being permissable to make

> without preserving it. If you do not preserve it, it will begin to

> deteriorate (spoil) soon thereafter, the same as any juice type item or

> other food item would.

>

> I believe that the 1 tablespoon is the same as 5 ml of OPC extract, even

> though you can work up to three times the single dose amount of OPC (15

> ml).

>

> Yes, light syrup is kind of vague. Perhaps less vague would be as thick

> as you can get it without scorching it. It is not intended to ever use

> as a hand cream, but rather as a skin cream you apply directly to spots

> you wish to treat.

>

> The best way to measure is to use a hydrometer and condense until you

> have 1.07 the weight of an equal volume of water. 30% (or roughly 1/3)

> is a good rough guestimate that is close enough to work just fine, but

> the hydrometer measure will insure that you are much closer to the

> patented Anvirzel the home remedy was modeled after. Using the 30%

> measurement does not and cannot take into account the differences that

> will naturally occur from one plant and climate to another.

>

> >

>

> oleander soup , " Katy " <katypomelov@> wrote:

> >

> > I have a question about the following step that describes mixing the

> > Oleander soup with vodka or apple cider vinegar:

> >

> > " To preserve the product, you can mix the remaining with 80 proof

> > vodka, or apple cider vinegar (organic non-distilled is by far the

> > best), 50/50 as a preservative, extending shelf life by at least 6

> > months. For flavor, you may choose to add some of your favorite

> > pancake syrup, such as boysenberry, for flavoring, in moderation. "

> >

> > When you mix it 50/50 (half Oleander soup and half vodka or apple

> > cider vinegar), do you need to take twice as much as the normal

> > recommended dose since it's diluted in half?

> >

> > Is 1 Tablespoon three time per day the maximum dose one should work up

> > to? What dosage of Sutherlandia OPC does that compare to?

> >

> > Also how long is Oleander soup good for without preserving it for the

> > extra 6 months?

> >

> > One more question regarding making it into a skin cream. When you

> > boil it down to a syrup, approximately by how much does the total

> > volume of liquid decrease by? " Light syrup " is kind of vague. The

> > instructions for the soup more clearly states that at the end you end

> > up with about 30% of the original liquid. Can you give me an

> > approximate percentage of what you should end up with to get to a good

> > consistency for a hand cream? Is it something like 5 or 10% of the

> > original liquid?

> > I was actually going to measure the amount of liquid I start with in

> > the pot with a ruler and kind of base the rest off of that.

> >

> > Thanks you so much! I'm about to make my first batch. :-)

[Guest guest]

One more question... When you make the skin cream, do you first make

the soup, then add the preservative and then boil it down to a syrup?

Or do you boil it down to a syrup first and then add a preservative?

The directions for making it into a cream don't specify. I'm

assuming you still need to add the preservative for the cream, and

then you mix it with aloe or ozonated oil?

 

 

oleander soup , " Tony " wrote:

>

>

> Organic non-distilled apple cider vinegar is no longer recommended as a

> preservative - instead use distilled for superior preservative

> properties (even though organic non-distilled is better if you take

> apple cider vinegar by itself).

>

> No, you do not double the amount taken - preserving 50/50 is part of the

> instructions.

>

> Do not make it without preserving it. Period. Nowhere in the

> instructions does it say anything about it being permissable to make

> without preserving it. If you do not preserve it, it will begin to

> deteriorate (spoil) soon thereafter, the same as any juice type item or

> other food item would.

>

> I believe that the 1 tablespoon is the same as 5 ml of OPC extract, even

> though you can work up to three times the single dose amount of OPC (15

> ml).

>

> Yes, light syrup is kind of vague. Perhaps less vague would be as thick

> as you can get it without scorching it. It is not intended to ever use

> as a hand cream, but rather as a skin cream you apply directly to spots

> you wish to treat.

>

> The best way to measure is to use a hydrometer and condense until you

> have 1.07 the weight of an equal volume of water. 30% (or roughly 1/3)

> is a good rough guestimate that is close enough to work just fine, but

> the hydrometer measure will insure that you are much closer to the

> patented Anvirzel the home remedy was modeled after. Using the 30%

> measurement does not and cannot take into account the differences that

> will naturally occur from one plant and climate to another.

>

> >

>

> oleander soup , " Katy " <katypomelov@> wrote:

> >

> > I have a question about the following step that describes mixing the

> > Oleander soup with vodka or apple cider vinegar:

> >

> > " To preserve the product, you can mix the remaining with 80 proof

> > vodka, or apple cider vinegar (organic non-distilled is by far the

> > best), 50/50 as a preservative, extending shelf life by at least 6

> > months. For flavor, you may choose to add some of your favorite

> > pancake syrup, such as boysenberry, for flavoring, in moderation. "

> >

> > When you mix it 50/50 (half Oleander soup and half vodka or apple

> > cider vinegar), do you need to take twice as much as the normal

> > recommended dose since it's diluted in half?

> >

> > Is 1 Tablespoon three time per day the maximum dose one should work up

> > to? What dosage of Sutherlandia OPC does that compare to?

> >

> > Also how long is Oleander soup good for without preserving it for the

> > extra 6 months?

> >

> > One more question regarding making it into a skin cream. When you

> > boil it down to a syrup, approximately by how much does the total

> > volume of liquid decrease by? " Light syrup " is kind of vague. The

> > instructions for the soup more clearly states that at the end you end

> > up with about 30% of the original liquid. Can you give me an

> > approximate percentage of what you should end up with to get to a good

> > consistency for a hand cream? Is it something like 5 or 10% of the

> > original liquid?

> > I was actually going to measure the amount of liquid I start with in

> > the pot with a ruler and kind of base the rest off of that.

> >

> > Thanks you so much! I'm about to make my first batch. :-)

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I personally did not add preservative prior to or after boiling and condensing down further. I inadvertently left off ozonated olive oil but yes that is a good addition. So are, imo, iodine, DMSO, and colloidal silver. Of course when you use DMSO you must be sure to wash your hands prior to applying, as the DMSO will carry anything on your skin into the skin.

To answer your other question, I do not think it matters but I have always preferred the yellow distilled apple cider vinegar. Or vodka, though I tend to favor the vinegar and wonder if perhaps vodka may result in more precipitate falling to the bottom of the extract.

When oleander is extracted by ethanol instead of boiling water, key water soluable (polar) compounds such as long chain polysacharrides are lost because they precipitate out during the extraction process.

Has anyone tried both and noticed a difference?

I got precipitate matter when I used appx. 20% colloidal silver as a preservative, but that is pretty likely my own fault because I inadvertently refrigerated the "soup" and cold temperatures make silver prone to clumping.

oleander soup , "Katy" <katypomelov wrote:>> One more question... When you make the skin cream, do you first make> the soup, then add the preservative and then boil it down to a syrup?> Or do you boil it down to a syrup first and then add a preservative?> The directions for making it into a cream don't specify. I'm> assuming you still need to add the preservative for the cream, and> then you mix it with aloe or ozonated oil?> > > oleander soup , "Tony" @ wrote:> >> > > > Organic non-distilled apple cider vinegar is no longer recommended as a> > preservative - instead use distilled for superior preservative> > properties (even though organic non-distilled is better if you take> > apple cider vinegar by itself).> > > > No, you do not double the amount taken - preserving 50/50 is part of the> > instructions.> > > > Do not make it without preserving it. Period. Nowhere in the> > instructions does it say anything about it being permissable to make> > without preserving it. If you do not preserve it, it will begin to> > deteriorate (spoil) soon thereafter, the same as any juice type item or> > other food item would.> > > > I believe that the 1 tablespoon is the same as 5 ml of OPC extract, even> > though you can work up to three times the single dose amount of OPC (15> > ml).> > > > Yes, light syrup is kind of vague. Perhaps less vague would be as thick> > as you can get it without scorching it. It is not intended to ever use> > as a hand cream, but rather as a skin cream you apply directly to spots> > you wish to treat.> > > > The best way to measure is to use a hydrometer and condense until you> > have 1.07 the weight of an equal volume of water. 30% (or roughly 1/3)> > is a good rough guestimate that is close enough to work just fine, but> > the hydrometer measure will insure that you are much closer to the> > patented Anvirzel the home remedy was modeled after. Using the 30%> > measurement does not and cannot take into account the differences that> > will naturally occur from one plant and climate to another.> > > > Tony> > > > > > oleander soup , "Katy" <katypomelov@> wrote:> > >> > > I have a question about the following step that describes mixing the> > > Oleander soup with vodka or apple cider vinegar:> > >> > > "To preserve the product, you can mix the remaining with 80 proof> > > vodka, or apple cider vinegar (organic non-distilled is by far the> > > best), 50/50 as a preservative, extending shelf life by at least 6> > > months. For flavor, you may choose to add some of your favorite> > > pancake syrup, such as boysenberry, for flavoring, in moderation."> > >> > > When you mix it 50/50 (half Oleander soup and half vodka or apple> > > cider vinegar), do you need to take twice as much as the normal> > > recommended dose since it's diluted in half?> > >> > > Is 1 Tablespoon three time per day the maximum dose one should work up> > > to? What dosage of Sutherlandia OPC does that compare to?> > >> > > Also how long is Oleander soup good for without preserving it for the> > > extra 6 months?> > >> > > One more question regarding making it into a skin cream. When you> > > boil it down to a syrup, approximately by how much does the total> > > volume of liquid decrease by? "Light syrup" is kind of vague. The> > > instructions for the soup more clearly states that at the end you end> > > up with about 30% of the original liquid. Can you give me an> > > approximate percentage of what you should end up with to get to a good> > > consistency for a hand cream? Is it something like 5 or 10% of the> > > original liquid?> > > I was actually going to measure the amount of liquid I start with in> > > the pot with a ruler and kind of base the rest off of that.> > >> > > Thanks you so much! I'm about to make my first batch. :-)> > >> >>