Guest guest Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Tony, Do you (or others out there) have any thoughts about the use of Beta Glucan in cancer therapy. Roger Mason published a little book on this subject in 2001. I have read it a couple times and remain impressed with the apparent quality of the research done on this subject, which he argues is " the most powerful natural immune enhancer known to science. " On page 11 of this book, he says: " If I had, say, diabetes, cancer or another serious condition, I would take up to 300 to 500 mg a day (of Beta Glucan) for at least a year and then drop down to maintenance does of the usual 100 mg. " Any reaction on your part? Duane Christensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 I think it is no accident that one of the most potent anti-cancer mushroom is the Agaricus Blazei Murrill (ABM) mushroom, whose nickname is "the mushroom of God" and it was found in major studies in Japan and the United Kingdom to have the highest concentration of beta glucans of any other mushroom. As far as beta glucan being the most powerful immune enhancer known to science, I would have to see it tested against oleander to believe that, though it may be a supreme immune enhancer. Oleander is reported to have shown in European studies in 1986-87 to have six times the immune stimulating activities of the most powerful patented immune stimulators known to science at that time, and extensive research into beta glucans had been conducted by then. oleander soup , "Duane Christensen" <duanechristensen wrote:>> Tony,> > Do you (or others out there) have any thoughts about the use of Beta> Glucan in cancer therapy. Roger Mason published a little book on this> subject in 2001. I have read it a couple times and remain impressed> with the apparent quality of the research done on this subject, which> he argues is "the most powerful natural immune enhancer known to> science." > > On page 11 of this book, he says: "If I had, say, diabetes, cancer or> another serious condition, I would take up to 300 to 500 mg a day (of> Beta Glucan) for at least a year and then drop down to maintenance> does of the usual 100 mg."> > Any reaction on your part?> > Duane Christensen> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Tony, Thank you for your useful response (below) to my question about beta glucan. I am not sure that beta glucan alone is responsible for the effectiveness of the Agaricus Blazei Murrill (ABM) mushroom, as you seem to be suggesting. In short, I am not yet convinced that beta glucan itself is as important as Roger Mason says it is in fighting cancer. The studies that Roger Mason cites [all prior to 2001] seem to indicate that the actual original source of the beta glucan itself doesn't make much difference -- whether it is extracted from brewers yeast, mushrooms, or whole grains such as oats and/or barley. The price of oral capsules of beta glucan vary considerably in the market and I am not yet convinced that any of them are worth the expense, including the capsules sold by Roger Mason. I would prefer to get my beta glucan from natural food sources, if possible. At the moment, I am trying to determine exactly how much beta glucan is contained in a half cup of organic barley flakes, which I normally consume for breakfast (in which I include a heaping tablespoon of ground apricot kernels). Perhaps you and/or others in the group can help me with this. My guess is that there is more beta glucan in that half cup of barley flakes than Roger Mason's suggested dosage of 300-500 mg. Correct me if I am wrong on this. Duane Christensen Dx 6.26.06 @ 68, bPSA 14.9, bPSADT 2.51 yrs, T2c Gl 3+3 {reread 4+3 @ Johns Hopkins} | ADT (5 mns) + chemo (2 mns) aborted 11.16.06 | Protocel 19 mns (11.1.06-6.14.08) | Laetrile (1.11-5.16.08) & maintenance -- w/ Essiac Tea (6.14.08), IP-6 (6.20.08), Flax Hull Lignans (6.23.08); Sutherlandia OPC (7.25.08); Budwig FO/CC (9.17.08); Ayurstate (10.2.08 suspended 1.14.09); Iodine Therapy (12.26.08). ***** Re: Beta Glucan I think it is no accident that one of the most potent anti-cancer mushrooms is the Agaricus Blazei Murrill (ABM) mushroom, whose nickname is " the mushroom of God " and it was found in major studies in Japan and the United Kingdom to have the highest concentration of beta glucans of any other mushroom. As far as beta glucan being the most powerful immune enhancer known to science, I would have to see it tested against oleander to believe that, though it may be a supreme immune enhancer. Oleander is reported to have shown in European studies in 1986-87 to have six times the immune stimulating activities of the most powerful patented immune stimulators known to science at that time, and extensive research into beta glucans had been conducted by then. ***** oleander soup , " Duane Christensen " <duanechristensen wrote: Tony, Do you (or others out there) have any thoughts about the use of Beta Glucan in cancer therapy. Roger Mason published a little book on this subject in 2001. I have read it a couple times and remain impressed with the apparent quality of the research done on this subject, which he argues is " the most powerful natural immune enhancer known to science. " On page 11 of this book, he says: " If I had, say, diabetes, cancer or another serious condition, I would take up to 300 to 500 mg a day (of Beta Glucan) for at least a year and then drop down to maintenance doses of the usual 100 mg. " Any reaction on your part? Duane Christensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 I am with you, Duane. I do not at all think that the ABM mushroom is effective solely because of beta glucans any more than I think oleander is effective solely because of the cardiac glycoside oleandrin. Though in each case they are key components, when you isolate them out of the original plant they liable to be not nearly as effective. Nature works synergistically just like our bodies do. There is an average of about 2 grams of betaglucan soluable fiber in a half cup of uncooked barley flakes, so you win your bet. >> Tony,> > Thank you for your useful response (below) to my question about beta> glucan. I am not sure that beta glucan alone is responsible for the> effectiveness of the Agaricus Blazei Murrill (ABM) mushroom, as you> seem to be suggesting. In short, I am not yet convinced that beta> glucan itself is as important as Roger Mason says it is in fighting> cancer. > > The studies that Roger Mason cites [all prior to 2001] seem to> indicate that the actual original source of the beta glucan itself> doesn't make much difference -- whether it is extracted from brewers> yeast, mushrooms, or whole grains such as oats and/or barley. > > The price of oral capsules of beta glucan vary considerably in the> market and I am not yet convinced that any of them are worth the> expense, including the capsules sold by Roger Mason. I would prefer to> get my beta glucan from natural food sources, if possible.> > At the moment, I am trying to determine exactly how much beta glucan> is contained in a half cup of organic barley flakes, which I normally> consume for breakfast (in which I include a heaping tablespoon of> ground apricot kernels). Perhaps you and/or others in the group can> help me with this. My guess is that there is more beta glucan in that> half cup of barley flakes than Roger Mason's suggested dosage of> 300-500 mg. Correct me if I am wrong on this.> > Duane Christensen> > Dx 6.26.06 @ 68, bPSA 14.9, bPSADT 2.51 yrs, T2c Gl 3+3 {reread 4+3 @> Johns Hopkins} | ADT (5 mns) + chemo (2 mns) aborted 11.16.06 |> Protocel 19 mns (11.1.06-6.14.08) | Laetrile (1.11-5.16.08) & > maintenance -- w/ Essiac Tea (6.14.08), IP-6 (6.20.08), Flax Hull> Lignans (6.23.08); Sutherlandia OPC (7.25.08); Budwig FO/CC (9.17.08);> Ayurstate (10.2.08 suspended 1.14.09); Iodine Therapy (12.26.08).> > *****> > Re: Beta Glucan > > I think it is no accident that one of the most potent anti-cancer> mushrooms is the Agaricus Blazei Murrill (ABM) mushroom, whose> nickname is "the mushroom of God" and it was found in major studies in> Japan and the United Kingdom to have the highest concentration of beta> glucans of any other mushroom.> > As far as beta glucan being the most powerful immune enhancer known to> science, I would have to see it tested against oleander to believe> that, though it may be a supreme immune enhancer. Oleander is> reported to have shown in European studies in 1986-87 to have six> times the immune stimulating activities of the most powerful patented> immune stimulators known to science at that time, and extensive> research into beta glucans had been conducted by then.> > Tony> > *****> > oleander soup , "Duane Christensen"> duanechristensen@ wrote:> > Tony,> > Do you (or others out there) have any thoughts about the use of Beta> Glucan in cancer therapy. Roger Mason published a little book on this> subject in 2001. I have read it a couple times and remain impressed> with the apparent quality of the research done on this subject, which> he argues is "the most powerful natural immune enhancer known to> science." > > On page 11 of this book, he says: "If I had, say, diabetes, cancer or> another serious condition, I would take up to 300 to 500 mg a day (of> Beta Glucan) for at least a year and then drop down to maintenance> doses of the usual 100 mg."> > Any reaction on your part?> > Duane Christensen> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Tony, Thank you for your quick response on this one. You say: << There is an average of about 2 grams of betaglucan soluable fiber in a half cup of uncooked barley flakes, so you win your bet. >> It is good to know that I am already consuming 2 grams of beta glucan daily on my present regimen without spending more money on capsules. In the past two years I have successfully gotten myself off all pharmaceutical drugs. It is now time to get myself off as many of the supplements as possible as well -- in favor of using natural food sources. You say: << Nature works synergistically just like our bodies do. >> For this very reason, it makes the most sense to me to eat wisely in the first place -- and to get the " medicine " we need from the food we eat, as much as possible. Duane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 I don't know if this is marketing hype or not, but an article in the JAMA journal said that Transfer Point 1-3D beta glucan (extracted from yeast sources) was far more effective than other forms of beta glucans and other immune system enhancers. (Oleander was NOT tested in this group). Factors influencing effectiveness included the size of the beta glucan particles, whether they got past the stomach undigested, the ratio of 3D beta glucans (should be over 80%) etc, etc, etc... Transer point is sold by a number of vendors. I won't list any here, but one is promoted by Bill Henderson's popular book on alternative cancer healing. The recommended dosage of this form of beta glucan is 500 mg per 50 lbs of body weight per day, taken early in the morning on an empty stomach. It works best if it gets past the stomach undigested. This is EXPENSIVE!!! At $1 a pill, this is $4.00 a day for me!!! This is the major drawback of this stuff! (It better work or I'll be mad. Or dead.) There are also articles on the Vitamin Research Product (VRP)website (vrp.com) about the health benefits of beta glucan extracted from yeast. VRP sells either transfer point or something almost identical, I believe. I strongly recommend the VRP website for a bounty of amazing scientific articles on various nutrients. Per their supplements (all being their own brand) -- well, most are competitively priced, but there are equal or better deals out there on the web from other web vendors on many products, so I'll leave that up to you. In other words, I am not trying to promote any one brand or website. However, VRP does have amazing articles on nutrients. oleander soup , " Duane Christensen " <duanechristensen wrote: > > Tony, > > Thank you for your quick response on this one. You say: > > << There is an average of about 2 grams of betaglucan soluable fiber > in a half cup of uncooked barley flakes, so you win your bet. >> > > It is good to know that I am already consuming 2 grams of beta glucan > daily on my present regimen without spending more money on capsules. > In the past two years I have successfully gotten myself off all > pharmaceutical drugs. It is now time to get myself off as many of the > supplements as possible as well -- in favor of using natural food > sources. > > You say: > > << Nature works synergistically just like our bodies do. >> > > For this very reason, it makes the most sense to me to eat wisely in > the first place -- and to get the " medicine " we need from the food we > eat, as much as possible. > > Duane > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Jim, The information you give here is the sort of promotional hype I was referring to. Who cares whether the beta glucan extracted from yeast sources is the most effective? Why bother with extracting any beta glucan at all? A pound of organic barley flakes costs about $1.80 in a health-food store here in the San Francisco Bay Area. It takes six minutes to cook a half cup of the stuff into a tasty cereal. I include a teaspoon of cinnamon along with a handful of raisins -- and, of course, my heaping teaspoon of ground apricot kernels [Vitamin B17], which necessitates a little honey as well for taste. I add a scoop of Flax Hull Lignans and a little soy milk. This provides me with two grams of beta glucan. At 500mg per 50 lbs of body weight, I need two grams. So that's what I am getting for about ten cents while you are apparently paying $4 for essentially the same amount of beta glucan in a fancier form. I continue to believe that we are better off getting what we need from the food we eat when this is in fact possible. With beta glucan, that appears to be both possible and enjoyable. Duane Christensen ***** oleander soup , " jrrjim " <jim.mcelroy10 wrote: > > > I don't know if this is marketing hype or not, but an article in the > JAMA journal said that Transfer Point 1-3D beta glucan (extracted > from yeast sources) was far more effective than other forms of beta > glucans and other immune system enhancers. (Oleander was NOT tested > in this group). > > Factors influencing effectiveness included the size of the beta > glucan particles, whether they got past the stomach undigested, the > ratio of 3D beta glucans (should be over 80%) etc, etc, etc... > > Transer point is sold by a number of vendors. I won't list any here, > but one is promoted by Bill Henderson's popular book on alternative > cancer healing. > > The recommended dosage of this form of beta glucan is 500 mg per 50 > lbs of body weight per day, taken early in the morning on an empty > stomach. It works best if it gets past the stomach undigested. This > is EXPENSIVE!!! At $1 a pill, this is $4.00 a day for me!!! This is > the major drawback of this stuff! (It better work or I'll be mad. > Or dead.) > > There are also articles on the Vitamin Research Product (VRP)website > (vrp.com) about the health benefits of beta glucan extracted from > yeast. VRP sells either transfer point or something almost > identical, I believe. > > I strongly recommend the VRP website for a bounty of amazing > scientific articles on various nutrients. Per their supplements (all > being their own brand) -- well, most are competitively priced, but > there are equal or better deals out there on the web from other web > vendors on many products, so I'll leave that up to you. In other > words, I am not trying to promote any one brand or website. However, > VRP does have amazing articles on nutrients. > > > > > > oleander soup , " Duane Christensen " > <duanechristensen@> wrote: > > > > Tony, > > > > Thank you for your quick response on this one. You say: > > > > << There is an average of about 2 grams of betaglucan soluable fiber > > in a half cup of uncooked barley flakes, so you win your bet. >> > > > > It is good to know that I am already consuming 2 grams of beta > glucan > > daily on my present regimen without spending more money on capsules. > > In the past two years I have successfully gotten myself off all > > pharmaceutical drugs. It is now time to get myself off as many of > the > > supplements as possible as well -- in favor of using natural food > > sources. > > > > You say: > > > > << Nature works synergistically just like our bodies do. >> > > > > For this very reason, it makes the most sense to me to eat wisely in > > the first place -- and to get the " medicine " we need from the food > we > > eat, as much as possible. > > > > Duane > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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