Dr. Kelly's lecture

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Today. I found Dr. Kelly's lecture about cancer. We clean our fruits and veggies under running water, then quickly rinse in baking soda water solution (no matter the cleaning we do, we would find residues of dirt in the bowl), then soak in either colloidal silver or hydrogen peroxide.

 

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Dr Kelley lecture

 

 

The following recording was made on Sunday afternoon, November 7, 1971 at the monthly meeting of the Mid-Manhattan Chapter of the International Association of Cancer Victims and Friends. It was held at the Times Square Center, 410 West 45th Street, New York City. Ruth Sackman, the Executive Director, is heard as she introduces Dr. William Donald Kelley of the Kelley Research Foundation, Post Office Box 89, Grapevine, Texas, Zip Code 76051.

Dr Kelly holds a degree of D.D.S., and M.S., in education.

RUTH SACKMAN: "I'd like to tell you something about Dr Kelley. He's a practicing dentist in Grapevine, Texas, Head of the Kelley Research Foundation, Fellow of the International College of Applied Nutrition, Member of the American Dental Association and many other dental societies and nutritional groups. Author of the book "One Answer to Cancer". His research work has been reviewed and published by the American Cancer Society in their November December 1970 issue of Cancer Journal for Clinicians. He is presently working at Baylor university to obtain his Ph.D., as well as lecturing, writing and conducting a dental practice. Now I want to add to that, you have here a very compassionate man who is terribly interested in helping rid this country of this terrible disease. I know many if you would like to talk to him personally but he is exhausted. Many people have taken up a lot of his time but I do hope you will be able to get all of; your

questions answered today. I am honoured to present Dr. William Donald Kelley."

DR. KELLEY: "Well, thank you very much Mrs Sackman. I have a problem most of the time getting people to hear me so if I don't talk loud enough why you stand up and scream or something and I'll holler a little louder.

It's a real privilege to be here in New York City. You really have a fantastic place here. It's a jumping, live-wire place and we've really enjoyed it. We've been here, in and out of here, for almost a week now and we've certainly enjoyed being here.

I want to talk to you today a little bit about the diet in relationship to malignant conditions. And first of all, we have to understand what we are talking about and to define our terms, and so we'll spend a little time doing that. But the very first thing I want you to really understand is that, when you go along with me or I go along with you, the basic principal involved here is something that we as Americans are going to have to change our way of living. Period. This means a whole, complete radical change and the first thing is to change our philosophy of living. It's too easy for us to whip out our little 'ol pocketbook and get out one of these things and just go around and plunk it down and buy everything we want. This is the philosophy we are into right now and we've got to stop that. We just can't buy good health - we just don't have that much money---no matter who you are. It's going to take more than actual money. It would be easy that

way and I would like to do it and I tried it for a long time and it doesn't work. We're putting our physicians under a tremendous, horrible stress pattern whenever we think that we can take this beautiful instrument that God has given us - this most perfect machine that's ever been developed and do anything on earth to it. We can smoke it to death, we can junk food it to death. We can stress it all day and all night. We can be angry, unhappy and ugly to it. We can mutilate it any way we want to and then when it finally wears down a little bit or wears out, wel1 then all we have to do is just run and pay the doctor a little money and he fixes it up. Well, we’re getting to the point now where we can't do this.

So this is what we’re going to talk to you today about: ---let's do something for ourselves, it's our responsibility. You know, it's each individual person's responsibility. When you're talking in terms of cures, we don’t believe in cures. I’ve got several degrees and I don’t care how many degrees you have in college and how many degrees you have, you can only cure one person and that's yourself. You can’t cure another person. You can only give him help that he can cure himself. Put this is the definition of the term cure that we're talking about. You have to do it yourself, your own body does its own curing. The doctor may direct you and you may follow this direction but you must do your own curing and your own body will cure itself or adapt to the stress it has been placed under.

Now, first of all we want to talk to you so that you can understand, a kind or a philosophy in which we orientate ourselves. And we're talking. in terms of diabetes, first. Let's go into the history of diabetes. In all the history of the world up until about 1918 when a person developed a gangrenous foot or a gangrenous hand or had problems in this area healing, or had a bad injury that wouldn't heal and so forth, then the doctor said "Well, you've got diabetes". And they'd cut off a leg or a foot or an arm or something and say, "well, you’re cured of your diabetes", and this isn't true. Finally, it dawned on them around the early 1900's that diabetes was a systemic disease. Up until this time you'd go into the doctor’s office and you'd say "Well, what can I eat?" And he'd say, "Well, it doesn't make any difference". "Just eat whatever you want to". And; of course, we know better than that now. Almost all, an overwhelming amount of

diabetes is controlled by diet alone.

This is the same developmental level we are on at the present time in cancer. We go to the doctor now and when we say "what's wrong with me, "why do I feel so bad?" Finally in a year or two they find out why. You have cancer. So they cut it out. So you say, "Well doctor, what can I eat?" Well it doesn't make any difference. "Eat anything you want to. Eat a lot of meat and stuff and it'll be real good for you. All the nutritionists have repeated the medical data, like Adele Davis, (who has done a beautiful job and she is a wonderful person and a good friend) but these people just don't know what they're talking about. It would be just as bad if you go to the doctor with a good diabetic condition and he'd say, "Well, you've just got to eat more sugar, you just need it, you’re deficient in sugar. You've got to eat more and more sugar". Well, it just doesn't work. So now what I'm trying to say is this. Diabetes is the inability of the body to

metabolize properly, sugars and carbohydrates. Cancer is nothing more than the very simple inability of the body to metabolize proteins properly. And that's all cancer is. And no matter how much you want to think of it in other terms, you're going to eventually have to come back to the concept that cancer is nothing more than the inability of the body to metabolize proteins. It's a systemic condition. It will not under any wildest imagination that you can contrive, this tumor or lump that you've formed or that develops in your body is not cancer. It is a cancerous tumor and is not the condition called cancer, any more than a gangrenous foot is diabetes. It’s just the result of a diabetic condition. And the tumor mass or glob or lump you have in your breast or in your prostate or in your stomach or under your skin or anything is nothing more than the end result of a general systemic condition-----the inability of the

body to metablize protein properly.

Now we want to know what causes this condition. And this is simply a failure of the body chemistry or an upsetting of the body chemistry and this is most frequently or can most easily be orientated around the function of the pancreas. The pancreas is the body’s natural defense against a malignant condition. It is the area in which we produce enzymes which metabolize our foods. Particularly proteins. And so we go into what fails in relationship to the pancreas. The pancreas fails and after the pancreas fails, usually it’s between 8 to 18 months after the pancreas falls to function properly that you develop a little tiny cancer cell in your body and then this starts growing, the tumor. You shouldn’t say cancer cell, you should say tumor mass but most of us think in terms of cancer. But the tumor begins by one little cell developing.

This grows for approximately 39 months before it becomes large enough for your physician to clinically find it. And then when that happens he says, "well, you’ve got cancer". But you've had cancer for about 5 years before he can find it. Occasionally you have a real rapid growing tumor and it nay he a year before they can clinically find it. A fast growing tumor or we should say a cancerous condition where your pancreas really fails real rapidly and you have a complete failure of the pancreas and then you develop a malignant condition rather rapidly. Generally most, or the largest percentage of our, malignant conditions or tumor masses develop over a long period of tine. Sometimes they'll grow and sometimes they'll recede. It depends on the diet. There are occasionally times that the tumor mass will grow for a while and then you change your diet and then it'll dissolve for a while. Some people, on and off, have

had cancer develop and recede, develop and recede, for several years, say 10 or 20 years. Which is normal, too. Which rather substantiates our theory or our basic concept that cancer is nothing but a systemic malfunction of the protein metabolism.

Now, what happens. There's about five basic things in relation that happen in the body whenever you fail in your protein metabolism or the pancreatic failure. One is the over intake of too much protein in the body. This is the first thing that happens in our American society. In Africa and in India they had very little cancer until the Americans came during World War II and introduced peanuts and other high concentrated proteins. We felt so sorry for those people over there. We introduced great concentrated protein diet of mostly peanuts and other products but mostly peanuts. And since their diet has been changed, of course, their incidence of cancer is much greater.

And so what happens? Let me describe the typical beautiful cancer developmental person in his early stages. He's a person, he or she, that gets up about 6 o'clock in the morning. This person drinks lots of milk, stretches a little bit, puts on their jogging clothes or takes some bending exercises or jogs around the block. He comes back in and eats ham and eggs for breakfast. He goes down to the office to work and gets into the office and about 10 o'clock he's completely fagged. He has a loss of energy, tired. So he gets a package of peanuts and eats those. For lunch, on Monday he goes down to the Lyons Club and eats roast beef. On Tuesday he goes down to the Kawanis Club and eats roast beef. On wednesday, he goes to the Rlotary Club and eats roast beef. On Thursday and Friday, the same routine, he goes to some club and eats roast beef. Well now he’s gotten along pretty good in society end makes enough income that he can afford to be up in the

world. He comes home and demands a steak or at least a half a pound of ground meat of some kind for dinner. And he eats this, which is good. And finally he tosses the baby up \in the air and plays with him for a minute and then flops over on the couch and somebody turn on the idiot box in front of him to entertain him for a little while. He sits there and reads or watches the idiot box for a while then, along abut 9:30 he says, "Oh gosh, I'm so hungry. I've got to have something to eat". He demands the wife to run out and get him a big bowl of chocolate ice cream. He eats that and goes on and dozes on and off between the late shows. Finally along about midnight, he'll get up and has I peanut butter sandwich or a ham sandwich and another glass of milk and goes to bed.

Well, this is typical. And if this man had three pancreas, there's no way on earth that he could possibly digest all the protein, the junk that he puts down his intestinal tract. So what does he do? The symptoms are that he starts belching a lot of gas. He starts passing a lot of gas, until it runs through the house like a puffing 1870 Steam engine, and making about as much steam. And so we find that this is one of the very early signs of a malignant condition. We find that the person just cannot handle the protein and their pancreas is totally exhausted from trying to digest the junk that is put down the mouth. And this just overworks the pancreas, exhausts it. And what happens in a normal defense mechanism in a malignant condition, the person eats a reasonable amount of protein and the pancreatic enzyme secretes into the small intestine and it digests that. There's plenty of pancreatic enzyme left over that goes back into

the blood stream, finds its way into the body, and when it gets into the body it attacks any cancer cells that happen to be forming that day.

The next most frequent cause of malignant conditions or failure of the pancrease function, so forth, is probably the mineral metabolism in our diet. Probably one of the best examples of this was a beautiful soul, a man in our area, that came in one time. He had cancer so bad in his chest, and through his heart and lungs that he could not possibly live. He had probably, at most, two months to live. He was a veteran. The Veteran's Administration would not even use cobalt on him he was so bad. They said it was no use wasting cobalt on you, you’re so bad. So he said, "What am I going to do? I've got a real problem." I saw his left side and it was quite enlarged and, there, he had his pancreas greatly enlarged. I thought this guy's got a real pancreatic tumor. And so we ran our little evaluation tests on him and we found that his pancreas was not infected with malignant condition, that it was enlarged because the body knew that it had

to defend itself and so it was producing about 3 times what he average pancreas would produce in enzymes to destroy the tumor mass. But it wasn’t working. These enzymes were running right by his cancer and just looking at them and saying, Goodby". Nothing was happening. I said, Well, you've got a real simple problem there. All you have to have is minerals". And he said, "Well, I don't have any money". I said, "Well, the only thing I know to do (we were really so poor that we couldn't afford to give him any supplements), the best thing for you to do is to go down to the local place where we feed (and in Texas we have a lot of places like this), and you go down and take a bucket or a fruit jar or something that you can get out of somebody's back yard and get a quart of black strap molasses and take a tablespoon of this, three times a day". He said, "Well, doctor, I thought you'd give me some fancy pills or something or some

miracle cure. I said, "I'm giving you what you need and I don't know anything about these miracle cures. That beyond my comprehension. I don't have any rest machines or anything like that". And so he did this.

In about three weeks he called me back and he said, "Oh doctor, you're killing me". I said, "How’s that?" He said, "Well, you know my diabetes is so bad that I just can’t stand this sugar and its making me worse. And that makes my blood pressure so high that I just can't stand it". I said. OK this is what you need. Now, you're very fortunate because if we can kill you with diabetes or with high blood pressure, then you don’t have to suffer the death of cancer". He said, "Well, you’re not very sympathetic." I said. "No, that’s exactly what you need". So he said, "OK" and he went on. I Said. "You can cut that down from a tablespoon three times a day to a teaspoon three times a day". In three months he called and said, "I just don't have the cancer any more and don't have the high blood pressure any more and I don't have the diabetes any more". And I said, "Well, that's

good. Wasn’t that what you wanted?". He said, "That's what I came to get". I said. "Well you got it now".

In order to get minerals into the body we must first have enough hydrochloric acid. The hydrochloric acid dissolves the minerals from the food so that they may be absorbed. We are assuming of course, that the food has minerals in it! We are assuming also that the food is grown on good soil and that we are eating real---not synthetic---foods. If we fail to have enough minerals in our diet, what happens? The blood is going to maintain a mineral level so it must pull the minerals out of the bone. In order to get a small amount of trace minerals needed, there must be a great destruction of the bone. After the bones are destroyed the excess Calcium is deposited end we have arthritic conditions. The doctors should consider mineral metabolism in their treatment of arthritic conditions.

But the body has to have the minerals to maintain life. It has to have the protein to maintain life. So when this cancer victim starts into the loss of pancreatic function, he not only absorbs the bone structure to get minerals, he also absorbs the muscle structure to get protein. You have to have a certain amount of blood protein. Your blood protein has to be at a certain level in order to maintain life or you just won’t make it. If you don't get enough protein in your intestinal tract through your diet, you're going to get it pulled out of your muscles. And, therefore, you’re dissolving your own muscle system, you're dissolving your own bone system. This is a typical cancer patient.

In the next most frequent cause of pancreatic failure, number three., here we find that we have blood clots that develop in the body, various parts of the body. Whenever a blood clot develops in the heart, we call it a heart attack. We get all the preferential treatment in the world. We get to lay in bed for a month. We get doctors running around and oxygen tents and all kinds of drugs and things and attention of nurses. Even your neighbours will mow your yard for you and everything. So this is really great. But whenever you have a "heart attack" or a blood clot in the pancreas, what happens? Well, you have a bad stomach-ache or stiffness in your left side there a little bit. This blood clot easy have wiped out 10 to 70% of your pancreas and you feel pretty lousy that night. The next morning you go to the doctor. Unfortunately our medical world has not developed an adequate pancreatic function test. So the doctor says, "you most

have gotten food poison or you must have indigestion". He treats you for both of them end sends you home and lets you stay in bed the next day if you've got a company with sick leave. If you don't, if you own your own business, you go to work. And you don’t think anymore about it. From that point on whenever your pancreas falls, and you start your deterioration of the protein metabolism in your body which eventually leads to a mass or tumor that develops and is called cancer.

And the next most frequent cause of pancreatic failure is probably emotional cause. You help the guy sitting in the office next to you or studying for this next to you for the last 20 years, did a lot of his work for him. Now comes promotion time. He has goofed off. You did his work and your work too and the boss promotes him over you. And that really upsets you. Just blows your mind, as the young people say. And this blows something in your mind, blows a fuse or something. Psychologically, it really wipes you out. So from that point on the nerve impulses from the brain telling the pancreas to work and to operate properly, well the message just doesn't get there. The connection developed that should be working there is not working anymore. Or the husband runs off with the secretary or something like that. Her mother dies or the kid gets run over by a car or something is such a shock to you it just really upsets you

tremendously. It upsets you physically or psychosomatically. And these are some of the main basic causes of failure of the pancreas.

Now after the pancreas fails you have this inability to get protein into your blood stream through your intestinal tract. You get to the point where you just crave protein. You just crave milk. It's just unbelieveable how much you crave milk and meat and nuts because your body knows that it need's the protein. No matter how much you put into your mouth, none of its going to get into your blood stream. If we assume everything is working, everything is functioning perfectly. You grow your food on a beautiful soil and it has a lot of minerals, it's -organically grown, no poisons...

By the way, the fifth failure of the, excuse me, I forgot the fifth failure, of the pancreatic function is enzyme antagonists. These antagonistic things are poisons DDT, malathion, aluminum, lead, any of the pollutants we commonly think of in terms of what we're fighting daily. The scientists discovered there is such a thing as ecology. Now the politicians are getting in on the act. They're fleecing us more and more of our own money to do more things to save us from pollution. But pollution is a pretty significant thing in relation to cancer. An enzyme is like a little key that goes in and it'll destroy or unlock the cancer cells and metabolize the protein whether it's cancer cells or its beef steak, it'll do the same thing. These enzymes, molecularly, have free-end radicals, and each little free-end radical gets stopped up with these poisons and pollutants that we have in our society now. This

makes them very ineffective. It's like, if you had a key to your front door and it doesn't fit the key to my front door. There's an enzyme that fits the key to digest meat proteins and your cancer, which it does. And say you lost the key to your house and you can't get in, but in addition to that, if you have the key and you happen to act a drop of solder on one of those little bumps on your key, then you're not going to get into your house. You can try to fit that key in your lock all day long and it's not going to work. And this is what happens with the pollutants. It ties up the enzymes. It's like dropping a bit of solder on your key, It ties up the enzyme so that it will not be effective. It's like buying a brand new Cadillac without a gasoline tank. It's all there and it looks nice, but it just doesn't work. It needs all the parts and needs to be free to work properly. So these are the five things that are in refernce to the, that are the basic,

and there are a lot of other little things that are, like .1% and .01%o f the frequency and we've got lists and lists of things that cause the pancreas to fail. But these are the primary things that should be considered. Now, let's assume that a person has the food that he takes into his body, grown on beautiful soil with a lot of minerals, and so forth, and forget the toxin's. Then we take it and put it into our mouth. First of all, we take it into the kitchen and we mutilate it, we destroy it. This is the first hurdle we have to get over. We go in and we process it in order to feed our massive population. Even if we had good food, it's hard to get the good food to each individual, particularly in an area like we've got here. So we process it and put a lot of pollutants in it, and that's bad for you. But even worse than that is that we cook it. And when we cook it, we destroy the enzymes. We make it, maybe, softer,

make carrots soft so we can chew a little better, and so forth, but we've destroyed the enzymes in this.

Now, whenever you take a fruit or a vegetable and you see a bruised spot on it, well you don't want to buy that. But this is the living example, all the time, of enzymes working all the time. This is how we ripen fruit, is through the enzyme action of the fruit. If you keep it at a warm temperature, it's going to ripen faster. If you keep it at a cold temperature, it won't. It's the action of the enzymes. And whenever you push on a pear, you're going to have a little bruise spot on it, or an orange or a banana or a carrot or anything else. What you do whenever you mash or break the cell walls down, then you release the enzymes in it, and it starts predigesting. So whenever you take the food into your body, most of the food should be raw. You should put it in your mouth and chew it 28 times like the book says. What you're doing there is you're pre-digesting your food. Not with your enzymes

that's in your body. You're not depleting your body of enzymes but you're utilizing the enzymes that are already on the fruit and already on the vegetables. And whenever you get them working for you, you've gotten a long ways down the line. You’re starting to do something constructively. And so we must chew this food properly and release their own enzymes. This goes down to the stomach, and there's the stomach without any hydrochloric acid.

Well, why doesn't the hydrochloric acid work in the stomach? Why don't we have any hydrochloric acid in the stomach? Well, two primary reasons. We need the chlorine ion and… I'm not telling you anything different than your doctor does and don't let anything I tell you... you always have to clear it with your physician. And consider that possibility. I mean, I'm just telling you some general principles and each of your cases may be different. There are two things the whole health food industry agrees on and the medical profession agrees on, and they both agree on this one thing. And they're both wrong. And that's no salt. They just get kind of uptight about salt. There's no reason to get uptight about salt, it's a necessary thing. Don't completely neglect salt. You have too much salt but you need enough. So in order to have hydrochloric acid in the stomach you have to have enough chloride

ions in the body. And then, too, you must psychologically, or physiologically I should say, turn on the hydrochloric acid.

What do we do in our society? We go out and we eat a salad and we eat it first at the meal. That tells the stomach and the hydrochloric acid function to turn off. So turn off. So we don't need that, we're having salad today. Or we’re having fruit and we really need hydrochloric acid particularly for that, right now. So it turns it off. You need the hydrochloric acid mostly for meat and for the protein's. We eat things backwards in our society. We should, when we go to the restaurant, and they serve you a salad, set it aside and slap the waiter's hand if he takes it away before he serve's you, and then eat it after you eat the meat. Then eat your vegetables and stuff, which would be the ideal way. Then you eat the meat first, why? It turn's on your hydrochloric acid. However, if you're an ulcer prone person, it's OK to

eat your salad first. That cuts off the hydrochlorlic acid so you don't get too much of it and that will help you along with ulcers. But the vast majority of us don't have ulcers. Unless it's specifically a regional thing. Maybe in New York City you do but in most of the country, not everybody has ulcers. But you might consider that possibility.

Now that you've got the food into your stomach with a good hydrochloric acid supply, then it comes down into your small intestine and here, really, this is where the whole factory blows up. You have several factors in the small intestine. It is really significant. First of all your pancreas has dumped a lot of enzymes into there, and we assume that's right. Your liver has to dump a lot of digestive juices, a lot of bile, and so forth. From the factors the liver dumps into your intestinal tract, makes it alkaline. It gets bile and does the fat metabolism. If you don't have a good liver, why then you have a strike against you.

So now we need to balance, and get your liver working better. And this is not too bad a job, but anyhow we must consider this possibility. We must always have your liver working right. So you have a small intestine that really is a beautiful machine and it has millions of little finger-like projections out from the inside of the intestine, and these little finger-like projections give a mass surface of many miles of digestive capacity so that it absorbs. Inside this little, villi finger-like, thing sticking out into the intestinal tract are the blood vessel's where the food is absorbed and goes into the main artery, goes into the liver, into the body to supply the body with food. We’ve eaten so much milk that these little finger-like projections into the intestinal tract have got mucus stacked about this deep in there. There’s nothing, short of dynamite, that can get this mucus out of the way long enough for the food to get up here to

these finger-like projection's. So all these finger-like projection's are just coated and filled with mucus. This is why we eat so much and we’re so hungry all the time. You take a big ‘ol fat girl and she is starving to death. You look at her and say, "Why, that big ‘ol girl, she ought to quit eating. She just eats like a hog! Sure she eats like a hog. This finger down here is starving to death. It sends a message up to the brain, "Give me something to eat, my God, give me something to eat, for heaven's sake, I'm starving to death". After that turns on, this poor lady eats and eats and eats and it goes down into the intestinal tract, and what happens? Some of the water and a little bit of the sugar trickles into these villi that’s working there. She's starved to death for minerals and proteins and vitamins. She lives on a little bit of sugar and a whole lot of water. She's just stuffed full of water

and sugar.

Now you take a real skinny 'ol guy, and he is so skinny, he’d eat you out of house and home, and he's still skinny. There’s no way on earth you can put weight on him. He's suffering from the same thing, he's got so much mucus attached in there. This mucus is selective. On some people, it only lets sugar go through, and on some people, only protein. On this guy, it only lets protein go through or maybe a few minerals, but mostly, just proteins. All he can assimilate is protein. He can’t assimilate any of the vitamins and minerals and carbohydrates. He's starved to death. You say, "My God, he's got a tape worm. It’s bad enough to have one kid to feed, but to have one kid with three tape worms is an impossible grocery bill."

But it coud be the mucus, because you’ve fed him milk all of his life, and cottage cheese. Now cottage cheese and milk is so good, such a good mucus builder that you can just kill yourself with it. And Metracal is anther one, and all these things that you're trying to reduce with. You eat more and more Metrecal, and this type of junk, and this wipes you out. You can't absorb any food. So that's OK, you just go around starving for the rest of your life. And then people expect you to function good at work. Your husband expects you to feel good all the time and you can't. It’s impossible for you to starve to death and feel good. The boss expects you to perform, and you can't do it. The teacher expects you to perform at school, and you can't do it...because you're starved to death. Basically, we're just starved to death. There's great malnutrition in our nation, just unbelievable. It's from many causes, but

this is one.

So let's assume that, in some miracle way, barring dynamite, we can get this mucus out of the intestinal tract. We can digest it off with enzymes. And finally get this upper intestinal tract cleaned out. Now, a lot of people say, "Well, I’m going to go home and take a lot of colonics and enemas." Well, they won’t ever get up to your small intestines, so don't try that for this reason. Don’t try to take enough enemas to clean out your small intestinal tract, because you can't do it. But you can digest this off with enzyme's. And let's assume you've gotten that digested off. Now you've got a villi sticking out here that's just coated with food and now it’s ready to absorb all this food. You’ve got a blood vessel inside that little villi just circulating blood. Then you've got two primary factors involved there that's keeping you from getting the food down here to this little cell at the end of your finger.

One is, this blood vessel should be this big around, say, and it's about that big around. You just barely get anything through it. Most of this blood vessel is coated with white sugar. You've eaten white sugar all your life and your body can't utilize all that and it can't even store it all so it has to do something. It can't even throw it off as waste, you've put so much down from lemon meringue pie to chocolate eclairs. You've just jammed your body with so much white sugar it has to store it somewhere. So it store's it on the blood vessel and the blood vessel get smaller and smaller and smaller, mixed up with cholesterol and other junk that you eat. So you have a little tiny hole and your blood flow should be, maybe, a gallon through this vessel in an hour, and maybe you get a pint through there. And so that's a problem. The best way we've found to clean up this blood vessel is just plain simple "Terribly expensive", black strap

molasses. If we could make it more expensive, some way, why people might utilize it more, but it's so cheap, black strap molasses is so cheap that they won't ever use it. This sugar can be cleaned out with this simple black strap molasses. Take a tablespoon in a cup of hot water, twice a day, or three times a day, twice a day is adequate. Now, you take grandma who's senile or grandpa, and you get them on black strap molasses a couple of times a day, or three times a day, and in about 6 month's they'll be sharper than you are and you'll have to hustle to keep up with them. If you don't live with them, just make the nursing home take care of that problem. Anyhow, they’ll run circles around you. At the nursing home, you can let them have the black strap molasses. And so we get this blood vessel cleaned out. Now you've got a big vessel there that's got plenty of freedom, but the next factor involved, you just hate

to drink water or anything. I guess it is kind of dangerous to drink water anymore.

Your blood is so thick, that it just mopes through there like an old tired horse. It just barely chugs through the blood vessels. Instead of a gallon a minute going through there, maybe a pint a minute goes through there, because it’s just too slow. This is one of the big factors in heart attacks. The blood is so thick, you're dehydrated

Your actual blood system is dehydrated. The best way to correct that is also one of these terribly expensive things, and that is: you take a third of a glass of juice, apple juice, pineapple, grapefruit, carrot, any kind of juice, it doesn't make any difference, and two-thirds of water, mix that up with a little bit of salt, an eighth of a teaspoon, just put a little shake of salt into this and stir this up. The salt and the juice solution will force so much liquid into the blood stream and dilute the blood stream and get it back into a proper volume. You need a good amount of volume in your blood stream. So now you get the volume in your blood stream right. Now then you're really wheeling and dealing. Now you’re about ready to do something in your body. You've got good food going to your stomach, you've got it into the villi and it's going up to the cell.

It comes up to this finger up here, end the finger says, "Wow, I’m really getting something. Well now, I can really get some good food, and I'm so thankful." And this little cell up here in your finger says, "That's great". It starts absorbing all this good food its getting. And you really have problems now. You really begin to have your problems start. This cell has had to live on junk for so long; it says, "I've got something good to eat in there and I'm going to unload all that junk". So it throws all that junk out into the blood stream and absorbs all the good stuff out of the blood stream. Then your blood stream is loaded with junk or toxins. You begin to feel lousy. This fill's your blood stream so much with toxins, and the blood stream can't handle it, so it backs up into the lymph system. Your lymph system fills up and then it swells and stretches and you get achy, and hurting all over. You get sick and nauseated and headachy and you loose

your appetite. I’m going to insult you for sure now. I hate to do this to you, but you're going to have to take an enema at this point. It takes about three weeks after the cells really start working that you get the loss of appetite, you get the head-achy feeling, you just feel, generally goopy. That's the best way to describe it, goopy, ugly sick. You just feel lousy, in general. And so you need to take a good enema. Coffee enemas are good, or anything to keep the colon cleaned out, to help the liver unload the poisons. And the kidneys-- keep drinking up fluids to keep the kidneys washed out. Keep the urine flowing beautifully, because the kidneys and the liver have to dump this poison out. The lungs, take good breathing exercises. Go huff and puff around the block until you sweat. Get some of this poison out. Anyway you can get it out of your body,

get it out.

You finally get this balanced. You get the poisons coming out of your system, and you get food back in there and this cell starts re-growing. It starts having a normal, healthy environment to live in. You’d be surprised. It really perks up and you begin to feel good. You might feel good one day and then feel lousy for two or three. But every once in a while, you wake up and just feel like you did when you were 14 or 15, and feel like you could whip the world with one hand tied behind your back. And then your problems begin. This cell up here has waited 20 years to get something good to eat and says, "My God, I don't want to stop this". It continues that same message up to the brain, "Give me something to eat. I'm hungry." It's just gotten into the old habit of repeating the message. It's afraid it’s never going to get anything else to eat, and it doesn’t want to stop now. It wants to store up a bunch good stuff, because you may get back into

the old problem you used to have before this. You really need a psychiatrist at this point, because it's really going to be tough. This thing continues to send a message to the brain and unless you have a lot of self will, and so forth, you’re going to get wider and wider and wider. You’re going to keep on eating as much as you always did. And when you keep on eating as much as you always did, instead of assimilating 5% of it, you’re going to assimilate 95%. You're going to get fatter and fatter and fatter

[Guest guest]

, Melly Bag

<tita_mel wrote:

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> Today. I found Dr. Kelly's lecture about cancer. Dr. Gonzalez of NYC

learned Dr. Kelly's protocol/s and heals patients using it adding his

own modifications. Please know that papain from papaya and bromelain

from pineapple are proteolytic enzymes (similar to pancreatic enzymes)

that help the pancreas digest protein. Ingesting both would help

minimize the stress of the pancreas.

>

> Melly

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Hi Melly,

 

Thanks for posting an extremely informative transcription of Dr. Kelly.

However it was not quite readable. So I took the liberty of editing and

re-posting. I hope it helps others too.

 

Suren

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Dr. Kelly's Lecture on Cancer

 

 

 

The following recording was made on Sunday afternoon, November 7,

1971 at the

monthly meeting of the Mid-Manhattan Chapter of the International

Association of

Cancer Victims and Friends. It was held at the Times Square Center,

410 West

45th Street, New York City. Ruth Sackman, the Executive Director, is

heard as

she introduces Dr. William Donald Kelley of the Kelley Research

Foundation, Post

Office Box 89, Grapevine, Texas, Zip Code 76051.

 

Dr Kelly holds a degree of D.D.S., and M.S., in education.

 

 

RUTH SACKMAN: " I'd like to tell you something about Dr Kelley. He's a

practicing

dentist in Grapevine, Texas, Head of the Kelley Research Foundation,

Fellow of

the International College of Applied Nutrition, Member of the American

Dental

Association and many other dental societies and nutritional groups;

Author of

the book " One Answer to Cancer " . His research work has been reviewed and

published by the American Cancer Society, in their November December

1970 issue

of Cancer Journal for Clinicians. He is presently working at Baylor

University

to obtain his Ph.D., as well as lecturing, writing and conducting a

dental

practice. Now I want to add to that, you have here a very compassionate

man who

is terribly interested in helping rid this country of this terrible

disease. I

know many of you would like to talk to him personally but he is

exhausted. Many

people have taken up a lot of his time but I do hope you will be able to

get all

of your questions answered today. I am honored to present Dr. William

Donald Kelley. "

 

 

DR. KELLEY: " Well, thank you very much Mrs Sackman. I have a problem

most of the

time getting people to hear me so if I don't talk loud enough why

don't you stand up

and scream or something and I'll holler a little louder.

 

 

It's a real privilege to be here in New York City. You really have a

fantastic

place here. It's a jumping, live-wire place and we've really enjoyed it.

We've

been here, in and out of here, for almost a week now and we've certainly

enjoyed

being here.

 

 

I want to talk to you today a little bit about the diet in relationship

to

malignant conditions. And first of all, we have to understand what we

are

talking about and to define our terms, and so we'll spend a little time

doing

that. But the very first thing I want you to really understand is that,

when you

go along with me or I go along with you, the basic principle involved

here is

something that we as Americans are going to have to change our way of

living,

Period. This means a whole, complete radical change and the first thing

is to

change our philosophy of living. It's too easy for us to whip out our

little 'ol

pocketbook and get out one of these things and just go around and plunk

it down

and buy everything we want. This is the philosophy we are into right now

and

we've got to stop that. We just can't buy good health - we just don't

have that

much money---no matter who you are. It's going to take more than actual

money.

 

 

It would be easy that way and I would like to do it and I tried it for a

long time and it doesn't work. We're putting our physicians under a

tremendous, horrible stress pattern whenever we think that we can take

this beautiful instrument that God has given us - this

most perfect machine that's ever been developed and do anything on earth

to it.

We can smoke it to death, we can junk food it to death. We can stress it

all day

and all night. We can be angry, unhappy and ugly to it. We can mutilate

it any

way we want to and then when it finally wears down a little bit or wears

out,

wel1 then all we have to do is just run and pay the doctor a little

money and he

fixes it up. Well, we're getting to the point now where we can't do

this.

So this is what we're going to talk to you today about: ---let's do

something

for ourselves, it's our responsibility. You know, it's each individual

person's

responsibility.

 

 

 

When you're talking in terms of cures, we don't believe in

cures. I've got several degrees and I don't care how many

degrees you have in

college and how many degrees you have, you can only cure one person and

that's

yourself. You can't cure another person. You can only give him help

that he can

cure himself. Put this is the definition of the term cure that we're

talking

about. You have to do it yourself, your own body does its own curing.

The doctor

may direct you and you may follow this direction but you must do your

own curing

and your own body will cure itself or adapt to the stress it has been

placed

under.

 

 

Now, first of all we want to talk to you so that you can understand, a

kind of

philosophy in which we orientate ourselves. And we're talking in terms

of

diabetes, first. Let's go into the history of diabetes. In all the

history of

the world up until about 1918 when a person developed a gangrenous foot

or a

gangrenous hand or had problems in this area healing, or had a bad

injury that

wouldn't heal and so forth, then the doctor said " Well, you've got

diabetes " .

And they'd cut off a leg or a foot or an arm or something and say,

" Well, you're

cured of your diabetes " , and this isn't true. Finally, it dawned on them

around

the early 1900's that diabetes was a systemic disease. Up until this

time you'd

go into the doctor's office and you'd say " Well, what can I eat? "

And he'd say,

" Well, it doesn't make any difference " . " Just eat whatever you want to " .

And, of

course, we know better than that now. Almost all, an overwhelming amount

of

diabetes is controlled by diet alone.

 

 

This is the same developmental level we are on at the present time in

cancer. We

go to the doctor now and when we say " what's wrong with me, " why do I

feel so

bad? " Finally in a year or two they find out why. You have cancer. So

they cut

it out. So you say, " Well doctor, what can I eat? " Well it doesn't make

any

difference. " Eat anything you want to. Eat a lot of meat and stuff and

it'll be

real good for you. All the nutritionists have repeated the medical data,

like

Adele Davis, (who has done a beautiful job and she is a wonderful person

and a

good friend) but these people just don't know what they're talking

about. It

would be just as bad if you go to the doctor with a good diabetic

condition and

he'd say, " Well, you've just got to eat more sugar, you just need it,

you're

deficient in sugar. You've got to eat more and more sugar " . Well, it

just

doesn't work.

 

 

 

So now what I'm trying to say is this. Diabetes is the inability

of the body to metabolize properly, sugars and carbohydrates. Cancer is

nothing more than the very simple inability of the body to metabolize

proteins properly. And that's all cancer is. And no matter how much you

want to think of it in other terms, you're going to

eventually have to come back to the concept that cancer is nothing more

than the

inability of the body to metabolize proteins. It's a systemic condition.

It will

not under any wildest imagination that you can contrive, this tumor or

lump that

you've formed or that develops in your body is not cancer. It is a

cancerous

tumor and is not the condition called cancer, any more than a gangrenous

foot is

diabetes. It's just the result of a diabetic condition. And the

tumor mass or

glob or lump you have in your breast or in your prostate or in your

stomach or

under your skin or anything is nothing more than the end result of a

general

systemic condition-----the inability of the body to metabolize protein

properly.

 

 

Now we want to know what causes this condition. And this is simply a

failure of

the body chemistry or an upsetting of the body chemistry and this is

most

frequently or can most easily be orientated around the function of the

pancreas.

The pancreas is the body's natural defense against a malignant

condition. It is

the area in which we produce enzymes which metabolize our foods,

particularly

proteins. And so we go into what fails in relationship to the pancreas.

 

 

 

The pancreas fails and after the pancreas fails, usually it's

between 8 to 18 months

after the pancreas falls to function properly that you develop a little

tiny

cancer cell in your body and then this starts growing, the tumor. You

shouldn't

say cancer cell, you should say tumor mass but most of us think in terms

of

cancer. But the tumor begins by one little cell developing.

 

 

This grows for approximately 39 months before it becomes large enough

for your

physician to clinically find it. And then when that happens he says,

" well,

you've got cancer " . But you've had cancer for about 5 years before

he can find

it. Occasionally you have a real rapid growing tumor and it may be a

year before

they can clinically find it. A fast growing tumor or we should say a

cancerous

condition where your pancreas really fails real rapidly and you have a

complete

failure of the pancreas and then you develop a malignant condition

rather

rapidly. Generally most, or the largest percentage of our, malignant

conditions

or tumor masses develop over a long period of time. Sometimes they'll

grow and

sometimes they'll recede. It depends on the diet. There are occasionally

times

that the tumor mass will grow for a while and then you change your diet

and then

it'll dissolve for a while. Some people, on and off, have had cancer

develop and

recede, develop and recede, for several years, say 10 or 20 years, which

is normal, too. Which rather substantiates our theory or our basic

concept that cancer is nothing but

a systemic malfunction of the protein metabolism.

 

 

Now, what happens? There are about five basic things in relation that

happen in

the body whenever you fail in your protein metabolism or the pancreatic

failure.

One is the over intake of too much protein in the body. This is the

first thing

that happens in our American society. In Africa and in India they had

very

little cancer until the Americans came during World War II and

introduced

peanuts and other high concentrated proteins. We felt so sorry for those

people

over there. We introduced great concentrated protein diet of mostly

peanuts and

other products but mostly peanuts. And since their diet has been

changed, of

course, their incidence of cancer is much greater.

 

 

And so what happens? Let me describe the typical beautiful cancer

developmental

person in his early stages. He's a person, he or she, who gets up about

six

o'clock in the morning. This person drinks lots of milk, stretches a

little bit,

puts on his jogging clothes or takes some bending exercises or jogs

around the

block. He comes back in and eats ham and eggs for breakfast. He goes

down to the

office to work and gets into the office and about 10 o'clock he's

completely

fagged. He has a loss of energy, tired. So he gets a package of peanuts

and eats

those. For lunch, on Monday he goes down to the Lyons Club and eats

roast beef.

On Tuesday he goes down to the Kiwanis Club and eats roast beef. On

Wednesday,

he goes to the Rotary Club and eats roast beef. On Thursday and Friday,

the

same routine, he goes to some club and eats roast beef. Well now

he's gotten

along pretty good in society and makes enough income that he can afford

to be up

in the world.

 

 

 

He comes home and demands a steak or at least a half a pound of ground

meat of

some kind for dinner. And he eats this, which is good. And finally he

tosses the

baby up in the air and plays with him for a minute and then flops over

on the

couch and somebody turns on the idiot box in front of him to entertain

him for a

little while. He sits there and reads or watches the idiot box for a

while. Then,

along abut 9:30 he says, " Oh gosh, I'm so hungry. I've got to have

something to

eat " . He demands the wife to run out and get him a big bowl of chocolate

ice

cream. He eats that and goes on and dozes on and off between the late

shows.

Finally along about midnight, he'll get up and has a peanut butter

sandwich or a

ham sandwich and another glass of milk and goes to bed.

 

 

Well, this is typical. And if this man had three pancreases, there's no

way on

earth that he could possibly digest all the protein, the junk that he

puts down

his intestinal tract. So what does he do? The symptoms are that he

starts

belching a lot of gas. He starts passing a lot of gas, until it runs

through the

house like a puffing 1870 Steam engine, and making about as much steam.

And so

we find that this is one of the very early signs of a malignant

condition. We

find that the person just cannot handle the protein and their pancreas

is

totally exhausted from trying to digest the junk that is put down the

mouth. And

this just overworks the pancreas, exhausts it. And what happens in a

normal

defense mechanism in a malignant condition, the person eats a reasonable

amount

of protein and the pancreatic enzyme secretes into the small intestine

and it

digests that. There's plenty of pancreatic enzyme left over that goes

back into

the blood stream, finds its way into the body, and when it gets into the

body it attacks any cancer cells that happen to be forming that day.

 

 

The next most frequent cause of malignant conditions or failure of the

pancreas

function, so forth, is probably the mineral metabolism in our diet.

Probably one

of the best examples of this was a beautiful soul, a man in our area,

who came

in one time. He had cancer so bad in his chest and through his heart and

lungs

that he could not possibly live. He had probably, at most, two months to

live.

He was a veteran. The Veteran's Administration would not even use cobalt

on him

he was so bad. They said it was no use wasting cobalt on you, you're

so bad. So

he said, " What am I going to do? I've got a real problem. " I saw his

left side

and it was quite enlarged and, there, he had his pancreas greatly

enlarged. I

thought this guy's got a real pancreatic tumor. And so we ran our little

evaluation tests on him and we found that his pancreas was not infected

with

malignant condition, that it was enlarged because the body knew that it

had to

defend itself and so it was producing about three times what he average

pancreas would produce in enzymes to destroy the tumor mass.

 

 

 

But it wasn't working. These enzymes were running right by his

cancer and just looking at them and saying, Goodbye. Nothing was

happening. I said, well, you've got a real simple problem there. All you

have to have is minerals. And he said, " Well, I don't have any money " . I

said, " Well, the only thing I know to do (we were really so poor that we

couldn't afford to give him any supplements), the best thing for you to

do is to

go down to the local place where we feed (and in Texas we have a lot of

places

like this), and you go down and take a bucket or a fruit jar or

something that

you can get out of somebody's back yard and get a quart of black strap

molasses

and take a tablespoon of this, three times a day. He said, " Well,

doctor, I

thought you'd give me some fancy pills or something or some miracle

cure. "

 

 

 

I said, " I'm giving you what you need and I don't know anything about

these miracle cures. That's beyond my comprehension. I don't have

any test machines or anything like that " . And so he did this.

 

 

In about three weeks he called me back and he said, " Oh doctor, you're

killing

me " . I said, " How's that? " He said, " Well, you know my diabetes is

so bad that I

just can't stand this sugar and its making me worse. And that makes

my blood

pressure so high that I just can't stand it " . I said " OK this is

what you need.

Now, you're very fortunate because if we can kill you with diabetes or

with high

blood pressure, then you don't have to suffer the death of cancer " .

He said,

" Well, you're not very sympathetic. " I said " No, that's exactly

what you need " .

So he said, " OK " and he went on. I said " You can cut that down from a

tablespoon three times a day to a teaspoon three times a day " . In three

months

he called and said, " I just don't have the cancer any more and don't

have the

high blood pressure any more and I don't have the diabetes any more " .

And I

said, " Well, that's good. Wasn't that what you wanted? " He said,

" That's what I

came to get " . I said, " Well you got it now " .

 

 

In order to get minerals into the body we must first have enough

hydrochloric

acid. The hydrochloric acid dissolves the minerals from the food so that

they

may be absorbed. We are assuming of course, that the food has minerals

in it! We

are assuming also that the food is grown on good soil and that we are

eating

real---not synthetic---foods. If we fail to have enough minerals in our

diet,

what happens? The blood is going to maintain a mineral level so it must

pull the

minerals out of the bone. In order to get a small amount of trace

minerals

needed, there must be a great destruction of the bone. After the bones

are

destroyed the excess calcium is deposited and we have arthritic

conditions. The

doctors should consider mineral metabolism in their treatment of

arthritic

conditions.

 

 

But the body has to have the minerals to maintain life. It has to have

the

protein to maintain life. So when this cancer victim starts into the

loss of

pancreatic function, he not only absorbs the bone structure to get

minerals, he

also absorbs the muscle structure to get protein. You have to have a

certain

amount of blood protein. Your blood protein has to be at a certain level

in

order to maintain life or you just won't make it. If you don't get

enough

protein in your intestinal tract through your diet, you're going to get

it

pulled out of your muscles. And, therefore, you're dissolving your

own muscle

system; you're dissolving your own bone system. This is a typical

cancer

patient.

 

 

In the next most frequent cause of pancreatic failure, number three,

here we

find that we have blood clots that develop in the body, various parts of

the

body. Whenever a blood clot develops in the heart, we call it a heart

attack. We

get all the preferential treatment in the world. We get to lie in bed

for a

month. We get doctors running around and oxygen tents and all kinds of

drugs and

things and attention of nurses. Even your neighbors will mow your yard

for you

and everything. So this is really great. But whenever you have a " heart

attack "

or a blood clot in the pancreas, what happens? Well, you have a bad

stomach-ache

or stiffness in your left side there a little bit. This blood clot

easily wiped out 10 to 70% of your pancreas and you feel pretty lousy

that night. The next morning you go to the doctor. Unfortunately our

medical world has not developed an adequate pancreatic function test. So

the doctor says, " You must have gotten food poison or you must have

indigestion " .

 

 

 

He treats you for both of them end sends you home and lets you stay in

bed the next day if you've got a company with sick leave. If you don't,

if you own your own business, you go to work. And you don't think

anymore about it. From that point on whenever your pancreas fails, you

start your deterioration of the protein metabolism in your body which

eventually leads to a mass or tumor that develops and is called cancer.

 

 

And the next most frequent cause of pancreatic failure is probably

emotional

cause. You help the guy sitting in the office next to you or studying

for this

next to you for the last twenty years, did a lot of his work for him.

Now comes

promotion time. He has goofed off. You did his work and your work too

and the

boss promotes him over you. And that really upsets you. Just blows your

mind, as

the young people say. And this blows something in your mind, blows a

fuse or

something. Psychologically, it really wipes you out. So from that point

on the

nerve impulses from the brain telling the pancreas to work and to

operate

properly, well the message just doesn't get there. The connection

developed that

should be working there is not working anymore. Or the husband runs off

with the

secretary or something like that. Her mother dies or the kid gets run

over by a

car or something is such a shock to you it just really upsets you

tremendously.

 

 

It upsets you physically or psychosomatically. And these are some of the

main basic causes of failure of the pancreas. Now after the pancreas

fails you have this inability to get protein into your blood stream

through your intestinal tract. You get to the point where you just crave

protein. You just crave milk. It's just unbelievable how much you crave

milk and meat and nuts because your body knows that it needs the

protein. No

matter how much you put into your mouth, none of it is going to get into

your

blood stream. If we assume everything is working, everything is

functioning

perfectly; You grow your food on a beautiful soil and it has a lot of

minerals,

it's organically grown, no poisons...

 

 

By the way, excuse me, I forgot, the fifth failure of the pancreatic

function is enzyme antagonists. These antagonistic things are poisons:

DDT, malathion, aluminum, lead, any of the pollutants we commonly think

in terms of what we're fighting daily. The scientists discovered there

is such a thing as ecology. Now the politicians are getting in on the

act. They're fleecing us more and more of our own money to do more

things to save us from

pollution. But pollution is a pretty significant thing in relation to

cancer. An enzyme is like a little key that goes in and it'll destroy or

unlock the cancer cells and metabolize the protein whether it's cancer

cells or its beef steak, it'll do the same thing. These enzymes,

molecularly, have free-end radicals, and each little free-end radical

gets stuffed up with these poisons and pollutants that we have in our

society now. This makes them very ineffective. It's like, if you had a

key to your front door and it doesn't fit the key to my front door.

There's an enzyme that fits the key to digest meat proteins and your

cancer, which it does.

 

 

 

And say you lost the key to your house and you can't get in, but in

addition to

that, if you have the key and you happen to put a drop of solder on one

of those

little bumps on your key, then you're not going to get into your house.

You can

try to fit that key in your lock all day long and it's not going to

work. And

this is what happens with the pollutants. It ties up the enzymes. It's

like

dropping a bit of solder on your key. It ties up the enzyme so that it

will not

be effective. It's like buying a brand new Cadillac without a gasoline

tank.

It's all there and it looks nice, but it just doesn't work. It needs all

the

parts and needs to be free to work properly. So these are the five

things that

are in reference to the, that are the basic, and there are a lot of

other little

things that are, like .1% and .01%o f the frequency and we've got lists

and lists of things that cause the pancreas to fail.

 

 

 

But these are the primary things that should be considered. Now, let's

assume that a person has the food that he takes into his body, grown on

beautiful soil with a lot of minerals, and so forth, and forget the

toxins. Then we take it and put it into our mouth. First of all, we take

it into the kitchen and we mutilate it, we destroy it. This is the first

hurdle we have to get over. We go in and we process it in order to feed

our massive

population. Even if we had good food, it's hard to get the good food to

each

individual, particularly in an area like we've got here. So we process

it and

put a lot of pollutants in it, and that's bad for you. But even worse

than that

is we cook it. And when we cook it, we destroy the enzymes. We make it,

maybe, softer, make carrots soft so we can chew a little better, and so

forth,

but we've destroyed the enzymes in this.

 

 

Now, whenever you take a fruit or a vegetable and you see a bruised spot

on it,

well you don't want to buy that. But this is the living example, all the

time,

of enzymes working all the time. This is how we ripen fruit, through the

enzyme action of the fruit. If you keep it at a warm temperature, it's

going to

ripen faster. If you keep it at a cold temperature, it won't. It's the

action of

the enzymes. And whenever you push on a pear, you're going to have a

little

bruise spot on it, or an orange or a banana or a carrot or anything

else. What

you do whenever you mash or break the cell walls down, then you release

the

enzymes in it, and it starts predigesting. So whenever you take the food

into

your body, most of the food should be raw. You should put it in your

mouth and

chew it twenty eight times like the book says. What you're doing there

is you're

pre-digesting your food. Not with your enzymes that's in your body.

You're not

depleting your body of enzymes but you're utilizing the enzymes that are

already on the fruit and already on the vegetables. And whenever you get

them working for you, you've gotten a long ways down the line.

You're starting to do something constructive.

 

 

 

And so we must chew this food properly and release its own enzymes. This

goes down to the stomach, and there's the stomach without any

hydrochloric acid.

Well, why doesn't the hydrochloric acid work in the stomach? Why don't

we have

any hydrochloric acid in the stomach? Well, two primary reasons. We need

the

chlorine ion and… I'm not telling you anything different than your

doctor does

and don't let anything I tell you... you always have to clear it with

your

physician. And consider that possibility. I mean, I'm just telling you

some

general principles and each of your cases may be different. There are

two things

the whole health food industry agrees on and the medical profession

agrees on,

and they both agree on this one thing. And they're both wrong. And

that's no

salt. They just get kind of uptight about salt. There's no reason to get

uptight

about salt, it's a necessary thing. Don't completely neglect salt. You

have too

much salt but you need enough. So in order to have hydrochloric acid in

the

stomach you have to have enough chloride ions in the body. And then,

too, you

must psychologically, or physiologically I should say, turn on the

hydrochloric acid.

 

 

What do we do in our society? We go out and we eat a salad and we eat it

first

at the meal. That tells the stomach and the hydrochloric acid function

to turn

off. So turn off. So we don't need that, we're having salad today. Or

we're

having fruit and we really need hydrochloric acid particularly for that,

right

now. So it turns it off. You need the hydrochloric acid mostly for meat

and for

the proteins. We eat things backwards in our society. We should, when we

go to

the restaurant, and they serve you a salad, set it aside and slap the

waiter's

hand if he takes it away before he serves you, and then eat it after you

eat

the meat. Then eat your vegetables and stuff, which would be the ideal

way. Then

you eat the meat first, why? It turn's on your hydrochloric acid.

However, if

you're an ulcer prone person, it's OK to eat your salad first. That cuts

off the

hydrochloric acid so you don't get too much of it and that will help you

along

with ulcers. But the vast majority of us don't have ulcers, unless it's

specifically a regional

thing. Maybe in New York City you do but in most of the country, not

everybody

has ulcers. But you might consider that possibility.

 

 

Now that you've got the food into your stomach with a good hydrochloric

acid

supply, then it comes down into your small intestine and here, really,

this is

where the whole factory blows up. You have several factors in the small

intestine. It is really significant. First of all your pancreas has

dumped a lot

of enzymes into there, and we assume that's right. Your liver has to

dump a lot

of digestive juices, a lot of bile, and so forth. From the factors the

liver

dumps into your intestinal tract, makes it alkaline. It gets bile and

does the

fat metabolism. If you don't have a good liver, then you have a strike

against you.

 

 

So now we need to balance, and get your liver working better. And this

is not

too bad a job, but anyhow we must consider this possibility. We must

always have

your liver working right. So you have a small intestine that really is a

beautiful machine and it has millions of little finger-like projections

out from

the inside of the intestine, and these little finger-like projections

give a

mass surface of many miles of digestive capacity so that it absorbs.

Inside this

little villi, finger like thing sticking out into the intestinal tract

are the

blood vessels where the food is absorbed and goes into the main artery,

goes

into the liver, into the body to supply the body with food. We've

eaten so much

milk that these little finger-like projections into the intestinal tract

have

got mucus stacked about this deep in there. There's nothing, short

of dynamite,

that can get this mucus out of the way long enough for the food to get

up here

to these finger-like projections.

 

 

 

So all these finger like projections are just coated and filled with

mucus. This is why we eat so much and we're so hungry all the time.

You take a big `ol fat girl and she is starving to death. You look

at her and say, " Why, that big `ol girl, she ought to quit eating.

She just eats like a hog! Sure she eats like a hog. This finger down

here is starving to death. It sends a message up to the brain, " Give me

something to eat, my God, give me

something to eat, for heaven's sake, I'm starving to death " . After that

turns

on, this poor lady eats and eats and it goes down into the intestinal

tract, and what happens? Some of the water and a little bit of the sugar

trickles into these villi which are working there. She's starved to

death for

minerals and proteins and vitamins. She lives on a little bit of sugar

and a

whole lot of water. She's just stuffed full of water and sugar.

 

 

Now you take a real skinny 'ol guy and he is so skinny, he'd eat you

out of

house and home, and he's still skinny. There's no way on earth you

can put

weight on him. He's suffering from the same thing; he's got so much

mucus

attached in there. This mucus is selective. On some people, it only lets

sugar

go through, and on some people, only protein. On this guy, it only lets

protein

go through or maybe a few minerals, but mostly, just proteins. All he

can

assimilate is protein. He can't assimilate any of the vitamins and

minerals and

carbohydrates. He's starved to death. You say, " My God, he's got a tape

worm.

It's bad enough to have one kid to feed, but to have one kid with

three tape

worms is an impossible grocery bill. "

 

 

But it could be the mucus, because you've fed him milk all of his

life, and

cottage cheese. Now cottage cheese and milk is so good, such a good

mucus

builder that you can just kill yourself with it. And Metracal is anther

one, and

all these things that you're trying to reduce with. You eat more and

more

Metrecal, and this type of junk, and this wipes you out. You can't

absorb any

food. So that's OK, you just go around starving for the rest of your

life. And

then people expect you to function good at work. Your husband expects

you to

feel good all the time and you can't. It's impossible for you to

starve to death

and feel good. The boss expects you to perform, and you can't do it. The

teacher

expects you to perform at school, and you can't do it...because you're

starved

to death. Basically, we're just starved to death. There's great

malnutrition in

our nation, just unbelievable. It's from many causes, but this is one.

 

 

So let's assume that, in some miraculous way, barring dynamite, we can

get this

mucus out of the intestinal tract. We can digest it off with enzymes.

And

finally get this upper intestinal tract cleaned out. Now, a lot of

people say,

" Well, I'm going to go home and take a lot of colonics and enemas. "

Well, they

won't ever get up to your small intestines, so don't try that for

this reason.

Don't try to take enough enemas to clean out your small intestinal

tract,

because you can't do it. But you can digest this off with enzymes. And

let's

assume you've gotten that digested off. Now you've got a villi sticking

out here

that's just coated with food and now it's ready to absorb all this

food. You've

got a blood vessel inside that little villi just circulating blood. Then

you've

got two primary factors involved there that's keeping you from getting

the food

down here to this little cell at the end of your finger.

 

 

 

One is, this blood vessel should be this big around, say, and it's about

that big around. You just barely get anything through it. Most of this

blood vessel is coated with white sugar. You've eaten white sugar all

your life and your body can't utilize all that and it can't even store

it all so it has to do something. It can't even throw it off as waste;

you've put so much down from lemon meringue pie to chocolate eclairs.

You've

just jammed your body with so much white sugar it has to store it

somewhere. So

it stores it on the blood vessel and the blood vessel gets smaller and

smaller

and smaller, mixed up with cholesterol and other junk that you eat. So

you have

a little tiny hole and your blood flow should be, maybe, a gallon

through this

vessel in an hour, and maybe you get a pint through there. And so that's

a

problem.

 

 

 

The best way we've found to clean up this blood vessel is just plain

simple " terribly expensive " , black strap molasses. If we could make it

more

expensive, some way, why people might utilize it more, but it's so

cheap, black strap molasses is so cheap that they won't ever use it.

This sugar can be cleaned out with this

simple black strap molasses. Take a tablespoon in a cup of hot water,

twice a

day, or three times a day, twice a day is adequate. Now, you take

grandma who's

senile or grandpa, and you get them on black strap molasses a couple of

times a

day, or three times a day, and in about six months they'll be sharper

than you

are and you'll have to hustle to keep up with them. If you don't live

with them,

just make the nursing home take care of that problem. Anyhow,

they'll run

circles around you. At the nursing home, you can let them have the black

strap

molasses. And so we get this blood vessel cleaned out. Now you've got a

big

vessel there that's got plenty of freedom, but the next factor involved,

you

just hate to drink water or anything. I guess it is kind of dangerous to

drink

water anymore.

 

 

Your blood is so thick, that it just mopes through there like an old

tired

horse. It just barely chugs through the blood vessels. Instead of a

gallon a

minute going through there, maybe a pint a minute goes through there,

because

it's just too slow. This is one of the big factors in heart attacks.

The blood

is so thick, you're dehydrated.

 

 

Your actual blood system is dehydrated. The best way to correct that is

also one

of these terribly expensive things, and that is: you take a third of a

glass of

juice, apple juice, pineapple, grapefruit, carrot, any kind of juice, it

doesn't

make any difference, and two-thirds of water, mix that up with a little

bit of

salt, an eighth of a teaspoon, just put a little shake of salt into this

and

stir this up. The salt and the juice solution will force so much liquid

into the

blood stream and dilute the blood stream and get it back into a proper

volume.

 

 

You need a good amount of volume in your blood stream. So now you get

the volume

in your blood stream right. Now then you're really wheeling and dealing.

Now

you're about ready to do something in your body. You've got good

food going to

your stomach, you've got it into the villi and it's going up to the

cell.

It comes up to this finger up here, and the finger says, " Wow, I'm

really

getting something. Well now, I can really get some good food, and I'm so

thankful. " And this little cell up here in your finger says, " That's

great " . It

starts absorbing all this good food it's getting. And you really

have problems

now.

 

 

 

You really begin to have your problems start. This cell has had to live

on

junk for so long. It says, " I've got something good to eat in there and

I'm

going to unload all that junk " . So it throws all that junk out into the

blood

stream and absorbs all the good stuff out of the blood stream. Then your

blood

stream is loaded with junk or toxins. You begin to feel lousy. This

fills your

blood stream so much with toxins, and the blood stream can't handle it,

so it

backs up into the lymph system. Your lymph system fills up and then it

swells

and stretches and you get achy, and hurting all over. You get sick and

nauseated

and headachy and you lose your appetite. I'm going to insult you for

sure now.

 

 

 

I hate to do this to you, but you're going to have to take an enema at

this point. It takes about three weeks after the cells really start

working that you get the loss of appetite, you get the head-achy

feeling, and you just feel, generally goopy. That's the best way to

describe it, goopy, ugly sick. You just feel lousy, in general. And so

you need

to take a good enema. Coffee enemas are good, or anything to keep the

colon

cleaned out, to help the liver unload the poisons. And the kidneys--

keep

drinking up fluids to keep the kidneys washed out. Keep the urine

flowing

beautifully, because the kidneys and the liver have to dump this poison

out. The

lungs, take good breathing exercises. Go huff and puff around the block

until

you sweat. Get some of this poison out. Anyway you can get it out of

your body,

get it out.

 

 

You finally get this balanced. You get the poisons coming out of your

system,

and you get food back in there and this cell starts re-growing. It

starts having

a normal, healthy environment to live in. You'd be surprised. It

really perks up

and you begin to feel good. You might feel good one day and then feel

lousy for

two or three. But every once in a while, you wake up and just feel like

you did

when you were 14 or 15, and feel like you could whip the world with one

hand

tied behind your back. And then your problems begin. This cell up here

has

waited 20 years to get something good to eat and says, " My God, I don't

want to

stop this " . It continues that same message up to the brain, " Give me

something

to eat. I'm hungry. " It's just gotten into the old habit of repeating

the

message. It's afraid it's never going to get anything else to eat,

and it

doesn't want to stop now. It wants to store up a bunch of good

stuff, because you

may get back into the old problem you used to have before this. You

really need a psychiatrist at this point, because it's really going to

be tough. This thing continues to send a message to the brain and unless

you have a lot of self will, and so forth,

you're going to get wider and wider and wider. You're going to

keep on eating as

much as you always did. And when you keep on eating as much as you

always did,

instead of assimilating 5% of it, you're going to assimilate 95%.

You're going

to get fatter and fatter and fatter.

 

 

So the problem is, that you must start at this point to learn to put

your hands

firmly on the table and push back, and do it quickly, about a second or

two

after you sit down to eat. You'll eat about one-tenth as much as you

normally

used to eat. And this is important, but I guess you can get fat if you

can

afford a new wardrobe and everything, but it's better to learn to

eat less and

keep your body in good shape. Now you've got your body functioning

normally and

there's no way you can help but get well after this point. No matter

what you do

now, it's too late; you should have gotten there sooner, because you're

going to

get well now. And this is the primary thing.

 

 

Now, you want to know: Do I have cancer or don't I have cancer? How can

I tell?

The doctor's not allowed; it isn't his fault. It's our political

situation.

There are many tests available at the present time that he can use, and

you can

get through this organization. You can do it yourself. They can tell you

how to

get these tests. But your doctor has a real problem. You can send your

urine

samples off to the Philippines Islands or to Mexico and you can get back

the

results of a test that you have cancer or you don't have cancer. There's

a

little test that we developed in our research. You punch a little hole

in your

finger and take a drop of blood out on the end of your finger and you

can tell,

pretty much, whether you have the condition of cancer, quote, bad

protein

metabolism, unquote. You may not have a tumor mass developed yet but

you're on

your way. You can tell by the way this little drop of blood comes out on

your

finger. It's very simple. That may cost you 35 cents or so.

 

 

 

If that's not too expensive for you, you can try another test that's a

little bit more expensive than that. It takes about 3 or 4 dollars. If

you want to know whether you have cancer or not, you go down to the drug

store and buy some pancreatic enzymes. Get Pancreatin, made by Lilly Co,

Parke-Davis, or whatever the druggist has at the drug store. Get a

bottle of a hundred tablets of triple strength, five grain Pancreatin,

no matter what

company makes it, it doesn't make any difference to me, or it shouldn't

make any

difference to you unless you like the color of the pill. You take about

five of

these, four or five of these after each meal for about three weeks. If

you do

nothing else but just do this, at some time within the three weeks,

you're going

to start feeling lousy. You're going to start getting head aches,

you're going to

just get to feeling goopy sick. You're going to start to have a loss of

appetite

and maybe get nauseous. If any of those things appear to you during this

period,

you can rest assured that you have a malignant condition in your body

with

actual cancer cells present. So what do you do then? You say, " This is

killing me " .

 

Like my brother.

 

 

 

I told my brother to go see his doctor, and I told him to do this. He

did this and in about six days he got just violently sick. He felt real

lousy, and

got the headache and then the loss of appetite and everything. He said,

" Why I

feel so bad, this is terrible. You're trying to kill me " . He took

the rest of his

bottle and threw it down the drain and flushed it and stomped on the

lid. He

said, " You can't do this to people " . I said, " Well they're going to have

to go

through with it some way or another. " Finally, I convinced him that he

had a big

enough malignant condition that he should do something about it. He did.

 

 

Whenever this happens, when you get this real goopy sick feeling, then

stop

taking the enzyme for about five days. Let the body clean out these

poisons,

then start again. And keep doing this on and off. The second time you

start it,

start taking them again, you may not be taking them for more than ten

days or a

week before you feel sick again, or feel lousy. But keep taking them,

until you

can take them for about three months without feeling bad. Then you're

pretty

well clear of the condition. And after that if I were you, I'd take

at least

three after each meal for the rest of my life, particularly if you're

over forty years of age. This is a good thing and you need them to help

the pancreas. It'll supply the enzymes that the pancreas doesn't have.

Until the medical profession finds a real good test for pancreatic

function, I believe that I would do this. If you are over forty, I would

take some pancreatic enzymes because this would really be a help to your

general health.

 

 

 

Now pancreatic enzymes do not work like cortisone, or some of the

hormone factors work where if you take too much of it, it'll destroy

your pancreas. It won't do this. Pancreatic enzymes are amino acid or

protein themselves. What you don't use for digesting food and cancer,

you'll use them to build new cells.

 

 

Now if you detoxify yourself and you've got your good nutrition to the

individual cells, you're well on your way to recovery from almost any

chronic disease. This doesn't do much for infectious disease or

traumatic conditions. The medical profession is quite skilled in this

and you always need a doctor. Don't throw your doctor out the

window. He does as much as he can. He just isn't skilled in

nutrition yet, but he is going to have to be in order to survive in this

world that's coming up in the next twenty years. He's going to have to

be more skilled in nutrition.

 

 

Now let's talk about the diet that you need. It would be good for

anybody, but

it's good, too, for malignant conditions. There are some things that you

should

not do. And let's run through those first.

 

 

 

You should not eat any animal proteins after 1 o'clock. This is--milk,

meat, cheese and meat of all kinds, animal flesh products. You should

also include in this after 1 o'clock, peanuts. You ought not to eat

these. These are the main things to not eat. Now also you must not eat

white sugar or white flour at any time. Just give that up for a lost

cause. Now all these things, this would be good for anybody.

 

 

 

Then things you can have in the diet. You can have all the fruits and

vegetables you want, all the grains and nuts and cereals that you can

handle. Of course there are some individual differences. Some things you

can't handle. If you need some things you can't handle, why then you

just can't handle it. So don't keep on forcing yourselves, but most

people can. We're just making a general statement. You can eat

almost anything else.

 

 

And it's to your advantage to eat everything you can raw. I don't think

we've'

turned on our stove in the last six months. Oh, yes, we do once in

awhile, we make

some popcorn, I forgot about that, and occasionally we make a pot of

tea. We turn the stove on to heat the water for tea. But at our house we

never cook anything. It just never dawns on us to turn on the stove,

unless we want a little hot water for tea. And that doesn't happen very

often.

 

 

Now a lot of people discredit popcorn. Popcorn is a pretty good food.

And probably the only " junk " food you can eat. I mean, like you go out

to a movie or anything. It's probably the best of the junk food that you

can eat. Dr Walker is death on popcorn but I can't see this yet. I

haven't been able to justify their bad position or their condemnation of

popcorn. Many civilizations live on corn and it's a very good food. It

makes me feel like I'm really out sinning, whenever I go out to a

movie and eat popcorn. So it's really nice to have something that you

can eat without really hurting yourself.

 

 

Now there are a lot of questions that you have, that will get us into a

technical discussion and we can rattle on. I've got nothing to do till 7

o'clock in the morning, so I'll be glad to answer anybody's questions.

They say you can't smoke in the building, so if any of you are having

nicotine fit now, why not run out and relieve this fit. And then come

back

 

 

Ruth Sackman announces question and answer period after intermission.

 

 

Questions and Answers

 

 

Q. What does a person do who is unable to tolerate raw foods anyway?

 

 

A. Of course you are going to have to cook them and take an

over-abundance of

enzymes. They make a vegetable enzyme that works well at a high PH. Like

a PH

which is almost pure acid and there are some companies, such as The

National

Enzyme Company in Chicago who manufacture them. You take this, plus

pancreatin

enzymes, if you can't eat raw food. You take this with the meal---a

cooked meal.

 

 

Q. What is the name?

 

A. The name is actually called N-Zines, made by the National Enzyme

Company in

Chicago, Illinois.

 

 

Q. Would you say something about the diet, i.e. morning, noon and

evening meal,

for people.

 

 

A. We generally don't like to plan menus for anybody because we find

that if I tell you to eat this and you say, " I don't like this, I am

going to get off the program. " I'll tell you the routine most people

use----the 14 grain cereal for breakfast. They take carrot juice

mid-morning and mid-afternoon. Fish for lunch and then have things like

a salad or vegetables for lunch or supper also. Nuts. The best nuts to

eat are particularly almonds with each meal and if you want, you can eat

a lot of nuts like cashews, filberts and Brazil nuts. These are good.

These are also good for people who are hypoglycemic. This is the best

thing to maintain the blood protein level. This will give a lot of

strength and relieve symptoms better than most things that are

available.

 

 

Q. You treated this a while ago. Can I eat raw foods with an ulcer

present? Do

you recommend anything in particular, say, oil before a meal to ease the

symptoms?

 

 

A. You'll have to work that out with yourself and your physician. You

try to eat

as much raw foods as you can. You can juice a lot of carrots and use a

lot of

other juices, spinach and potatoes. Used in a juice form, I don't think

will

upset your ulcers too badly. Maybe as the doctor said, " take an oil

before a

meal " . Anyhow, you will have to work it out for yourself, with your

physician.

 

 

Q. Would you state if there is any correlation between meat and cancer?

 

 

A. That is what we spent time talking about up to now. The correlation

is that

85% of the total cancer problem today is caused by the over-intake of

animal

protein. There is a definite correlation. Now if you want to stamp out

this 85%

just stop eating meat, milk, cheese and peanuts after one o'clock. Then

our

whole society will change. It will be a great, beautiful change. The

American

Dairy Association was quite upset with me but then that's tough. I wish

the day

would come when a restaurant could charge $10 for a good salad. They

would make

their money and you would be healthy and happy and live longer and make

more

money so you could afford the $10 salads. I don't know what to do about

the

American Dairy Association. I guess have more baby cows, because that's

where

milk belongs in 1,000 lb. babies. Maybe we can have more cows for some

reason.

But I think as a society, we ought to change our habits and it's about

time we

did it.

 

 

Q. Do you have anything to say about collagen diseases? Do you think

your plans

diet, etc. and enzymes could help?

 

 

A. Any systemic disease or chronic disease of aging process etc. could

be helped

by nutrition. Your body God designed to work, functions beautifully

almost all

the time. Cancer is just a minor disease. In fact, we weren't interested

in

cancer for a long time after we knew what to do about it. We were

interested in

a lot of other disease syndromes. Whenever you get a body functioning

properly,

then you're going to get well and there is nothing you can do about it.

Just get

it right and you'll have health regardless.

 

 

Q. You recommend protein supplements. I have found those made of soya

lactose or

animal protein, high in protein. Are they therefore, harmful to cancer

patients?

 

 

A. We recommend protein supplements because we want to get the right

amount of

protein into the body. If you don't have enough protein in the body,

the cancer is going to grow a lot more rapidly because your own natural

self-defense system has to have protein. Your pancreas has to have

protein to produce the enzymes which are protein and amino acids, which

are necessary to defend yourself against cancer. This is why the grape

cure works so beautifully for a short period of time and after that you

just fall apart. Whenever you take the grape cure, you take no protein

at all. Then what enzymes are available in your pancreas go directly to

work on your cancer and your cancer is absorbed at a rapid rate. Then,

if you take enough grape juice to give you energy and strength you will

go

on beautifully, thinking you have it made. But all of a sudden something

happens you collapse.

 

 

This is because you have depleted the body of the raw material necessary

to manufacture enzymes for your own self defense. So we regulate by

taking some protein supplements in the diet. We make sure you have

enough, but not too much. This is best brought out in a study we did

where we took a lot of young people, that is, I straighten young

people's teeth. I took a blood sample of these kids. They took a lot of

protein supplements from the health food store and their cancer count

rose and rose and went on up. They got tired and got the general cancer

pooped-out feeling from the cancer syndrome. So then they thought they

would get off these protein supplements because they were too expensive.

Naturally, they were so tired. The cancer was developing so rapidly in

their body, they didn't feel like exercising and doing all the things

they did and all the effort it takes to build muscles. So they give it

up and then their cancer count would go back to normal.

 

 

Next year they would start in again. We did enough study on this to know

that if you take extra protein supplements, you should take the enzymes

to help digest them. Some of these kids we told to take enzyme with the

protein, we did a double study on them. The ones who took the enzyme

went ahead and developed their muscles, felt good and played football,

weight lifting, did their studies in school and had no problem. The ones

we didn't tell to do this, they just washed themselves out. So protein

is important. So whenever you take protein in extra amounts, you need to

take an enzyme with it. Adele Davis and many of the medical authorities

say you have to have 150 grams a day. Further studies, produced I

believe, at Loma Linda College at Medicine at Los Angeles, found if

you are an athlete in training or a heavy steel worker, you need 50

gram. The rest of us who sit around and do nothing every day don't

need that much. We need a lot less than 50 grams. Don't get disturbed if

you don't have 100 gram a day.

 

 

Q. Please give a menu for a period after the 6 day purge and fast

period.

 

 

A. We don't give menus. We tell you things. What to do and not to do.

You go on

your normal healthy diet. We need to talk about the 6 day purge. 3 days

of

purging and 3 days of fasting---that may be too hard on a person. If

that's too

hard, you ought to do 1 day purging and 1 day of fasting every 2 weeks

and then

go back to the normal healthy diet after that. We don't give menus.

We're in the

process of developing a print-out computer system that will do this and

someday

we'll get this done.

 

 

Q. Where can you get the urine test?

 

 

A. You'll have to ask Cancer Victims and Friends. Mrs Sackman here will

be able

to tell you that later.

 

 

Q What is the value of coffee in the coffee enema? Do you obtain the

same

benefits by drinking coffee?

 

 

A. Well, we have people who want to know if they can have cream and

sugar with

their coffee enema. The advantage Dr. Gerson found is that the coffee

enema goes

directly from the colon into the liver. Shocks the liver to a great

extent, helps the liver dump a lot of its poisons and toxins out of the

liver back into the intestinal tract. It cleans the body out rapidly. It

stimulates the body, detoxifies the body. Drinking coffee generally

works just the opposite. It destroys the B vitamins and shouldn't be

used. I just don't recommend coffee drinking. I never have. The only

contra-indication when you shouldn't take a coffee enema too often

is when you have a badly affected adrenal gland. When your adrenal

glands are completely exhausted, you should limit your coffee enemas to

2 or 3 a week. But when we first started this system, we were scared to

death, like everybody else is when they first get cancer.

 

 

 

For example, we had a beautiful little girl about 20 years old with a

bad malignant condition. She would take large doses of the pancreatic

enzymes which was dissolving the tumor too rapidly. She felt real bad.

So she would take coffee enemas every 3 or 4 hours. She did this for

several weeks and then she cut it to 2 or 3 a day. Then she cut it down

to 1 a day. As the cancer dissolved and she got better, she cut it down

to 1 a week,

for awhile. Then the cancer was over. But most people usually can't take

more than 1 coffee enema a day. How can you tell when you have had

enough coffee enemas? If you take a coffee enema and you feel better,

you are not taking them too close together. If you take a second coffee

enema and it doesn't make you feel better, then you are taking them a

little too close together. So you wait. If you take one in the morning

and it doesn't make you feel better then you had better skip a day and

take it every other day. That would be the best criterion for that.

 

 

Q. On detoxification day, are the supplements discontinued?

 

 

A. We have answered this many times. It doesn't really make a lot of

difference.

We generally send a routine answer --- that it is better to stop the

supplements

during the detoxification period.

 

 

Q. This concerns people who have had radiation therapy and chemotherapy.

How

does this affect their chances eventually in using your therapy?

 

 

A. Whenever you take chemical therapy you are going to wipe out your

liver and if you have a strong enough liver, you can take chemical

therapy. It's alright to take chemical therapy if your liver is strong

enough. It doesn't interfere or help with our system. Sometimes it's

important to take it to save your life because some-times it takes 2 or

3 weeks for the nutritional program to really become effective. You may

not have that much time. Chemical therapy doesn't matter to me; it is

just between you and your physician. Radiation is a different problem.

Legally, you have to do what your physician says you should do; or at

least discuss it with him and work this through between you and your

physician. The only time that I found that I would take radiation

therapy of any

kind would be in extreme pain situation. Where the pains are so bad that

drugs could not possibly help, then you might have to use radiation to

destroy nerve tissue. Eventually radiation, to me, slows down the

circulation in the area and prohibits the natural technique, natural

cure taking place.

 

 

 

Q. What Substance would interfere with your testing of the blood?

 

 

A, Nothing will interfere with it.

 

 

Q. Estrogens?

 

A. Nothing, absolutely nothing.

 

 

Q. How does one get to you in Texas?

 

 

A. We are really not interested in working very hard. It costs us too

much money. For every patient we take, it costs us more money than the

patient can possibly pay. We are basically a research organization and

we do primary research and we are under individual grants from private

people. The only way you can get to us is to have a written request from

your physician and your physician will have to send you. Then it takes

about a month or so before you can come to see us. We are only allowed

by the people who pay the bills to take about 3 people a day because it

costs too much. If you had about $500 that you wanted to spend,

well----- we just can't take more than a limited number of

people a day.

 

 

Q. How long does one stay there?

 

 

A. You stay about half a day. It doesn't take long to do this. If you

fly into

Dallas and rent a car and drive over to the heart of downtown Grapevine,

you

finally discover someone in town who knows us. You come in and we test

you. It

takes about 3 hours to run the test and about an hour to talk to you and

tell

you all you need to know and then you go home and do it. Many times we

make a

cassette tape for your physician and explain this to him and you, but we

can not

work or take anybody at all without the request of their physician.

 

 

Q. Are there certain patients you consider beyond the scope of your

treatment?

That is too far gone or something like that?

 

 

A. Yes. If they rate a 1,000 on our scale. We find that there is no hope

for

them. We have a scale from 0 to 1,000. 0, you have no cancer at all and

1,000

the cancer is functioning perfectly and there is no hope. We have never

had

anyone rated 1,000 on our scale who made it. We've had probably 3

that rated

1,000 or above, and they did not make it. A lot of times, people rate

950 and 960

and this gives them about a 20% chance of making it. But the ones that

don't

make it are the ones that don't even follow the program. They just say

it's not

worth the effort and they don't have the stick-to-itness to stick to the

program. Occasionally we lose some.

 

 

 

 

 

Q. Here's a person who has an exceptionally large fibroid tumor of the

uterus.

She was wondering if she could be helped by following your regimen.

 

 

A. Fibroid tumors. We don't give any predictions. We've had many

successes with

fibroid tumors by balancing the body chemistry. The only thing I know is

that

there is an improper mineral balance in fibroid tumors and sometimes

proper

mineral balance will correct it.

 

Q. There is a person who has been taking pancreatin with each meal and

she does

not get sick from it but is getting progressively worse. Do you have a

comment?

 

 

A. Progressively worse with malignancy?

 

 

Q. She thinks.

 

 

A. Well, chances are you are not assimilating your food or there is

something

wrong, probably the assimilation factor in the body is bad or she may be

too far

gone, but I doubt that.

 

 

Q. Do you have anything in particular to say about the use of kelp or

iodine, or

are they a part of your general mineral program?

 

 

A. The kelp and iodine should be a part of your general mineral program.

You can

take all the kelp or anything you want for mineralization, vitamins and

minerals.

 

 

Q. One person would like you to repeat your enzyme quantity and

procedure

 

 

A. Well, if you just want to test yourself and see whether you have a

malignant

condition. I think that's what they are referring to. You go to the drug

store

and get a bottle of at least 100 triple strength pancreatin tablets. You

take 4

of those after each meal for about a 3 week period and this should

either lower

the boom on you or relieve your mind. If you feel lousy or nauseated or

have

loss of appetite during this time, well then, you had better check into

it a

little more seriously. If you feel no effects---well then, you don't

have to

worry.

 

 

 

 

Q. Do you think you might help diverticulosis?

 

 

A. Well, diverticulosis is from a lot of causes, but anytime you get

your body

functioning normally and healthy, it will be some help to it (the

diverticulosis). And get your body toned properly too. You can't

function

properly until you get some minerals and the body chemistry balanced. A

lot of

times it does help. It doesn't always.

 

 

Q. This person is upset about your statement about protein. She wonders

just

what you mean. I think you should distinguish, say, animal and

vegetable.

 

 

A. We were talking about no protein in our book. We should have said no

animal

protein. Vegetable protein can use a different enzyme for

digestion---that is

not the same enzyme that is used for cancer. You can have vegetable

protein like

nuts and all the vegetable proteins are real good. Some animal protein

up until

one o'clock but you better eliminate animal protein after one o'

clock.

 

 

Q. Why?

 

 

Q. Would you say what the different juices are? Do you have a

preference?

 

 

A. Different juices are significant. The Germans thought they could

improve on

our program when they got the basic program. So they started giving

massive

doses of Vitamin A which they thought we got in our carrot juice. They

thought

there was a significant factor in carrot juice. So, " we are just going

to give

our patients Vitamin A by injection, etc. and by mouth and so we won't

have to

mess with juicing carrots. " Good carrots are hard to get in Germany.

They went

ahead and got a lot of Vitamin A. So what happens in this case? They

forget one

significant factor, and that is that we are not only interested in the

Vitamin A

because it helps break down the tumor wall and allows the chemical

therapy or

the enzymes to come in and destroy the tumor, but in addition to that,

if you

also have carrot juice you also have a great supply of minerals and so

that is

the factor they are forgetting. This is why their rate of success is not

as

great as ours is, because they have bypassed the concept of

mineralization of the body, and you must do that. Another thing, if you

mix carrot with the celery juice you have a

good chance of balancing the phosphorous, potassium and sodium balance

in the

body and this is significant.

 

 

Q. I was thinking about the centrifugal juicers, the press juicers, etc.

 

 

A. Press juicers versus centrifugal force juicers. The test we've

run---the

press juicers are 2% better than the centrifugal force juicers, but 900%

harder

to do. When we find most people don't feel it is worth the effort. The

2% extra

that they get from a press is not worth the 900% cleanup trouble that

they have

with the press types. It is up to you. There is a 2% factor there.

 

 

Q. Do you advise any other Vitamins and mineral supplements?

 

 

A. When we test for individual persons and we can provide an individual

program.

But you should have a multiple vitamin as we have listed in supplement

#1. Our

concept is a good strong multiple vitamin. Of course, a natural is

better than a

drug store variety or a synthetic variety. This is what our ultimate

goal is ---

to get you off all supplements and to get you on 14 grain cereal, black

strap

molasses. That's all the supplements you need. But until you get your

body

chemistry balanced, you are going to have to take some supplements.

 

 

Q Someone has said that the 14 grain is a very difficult food to take.

 

 

A. That is right, until you learn to live with it. There are some ways

you can

doctor it up a little bit to get it down. At night if you mix some honey

or raw

sugar with it and let it ferment during the night, its helps it. Some

people

take and put almost boiling water over it at night and put it in a wide

mouthed

thermos and it tastes more cooked the next morning. It doesn't seem to

injure it

any. And then you put any kind of fruit on it the next morning, it makes

it

taste better. You eat it for 3 or 4 weeks and you get off it and you'll

miss it.

It is something like your boss. You like to have something to gripe

about. This

is a good thing and then you become friends at the end of stout 3 or 4

weeks.

 

 

Q. A person has a question concerning the pancreatin at a pharmacy. Can

you

obtain a similar or about equal pancreatin at a health food store?

 

 

A. All pancreatin is a natural product. A lot of people say they

wouldn't eat

the kind that comes from a drug store because it is not natural, but it

is; it

all comes from the same pig or cow. We find you have to watch the

dosages.

Approximately what you need is a 1,000 mg of NF or single strength

pancreatin.

You need about 3,000 mgs single strength pancreatin with each meal.

That's the

ultimate criteria. So if you take about 4,000 mgs single strength

pancreatin

with each meal, this the normal maintenance dose for the average person

over 40.

 

 

Q. There have been several questions concerning your blood test, i.e.the

opposition raised by the medical profession. Also people would like to

know

something about how it is done - the mechanics of it. Would you care to

comment

upon that?

 

 

A. Our blood test has never been criticized by the medical profession.

They have

an injunction against me for publishing and printing and distributing my

book

which they say is the practice of medicine. This book is not practicing

medicine. Everything you read in this book they say is the practice of

medicine and of course, this should not be done. No other court and no

other society has ever said that a book can practice medicine, but in

Texas it's a different horse. They want the book stopped so they use any

method.

 

 

 

So we are in the process of going to the Supreme Court about this. If

you have any extra shekels to help us go to the Supreme Court or if you

can write a letter to the N.H.F,

and ask them if they would support us, not only financially but morally,

and to give the weight of their organization behind us. Freedom of the

press is what we're involved in. They got an injunction for practicing

medicine, which I never do and never have done or intend to do, because

I'm not that smart in medicine and I'm not inclined that way anyhow.

I just want people to be nutritionally sound people and I am only a

flunky for your doctor. I don't ever try to tell him what to do.

 

 

 

If he asks me some advice and what would I do, I tell him. If it

works--that's good. But he is still responsible. There are so many

things that happen in a person's life that you have to have a doctor and

I'm not trying to discredit doctors or eliminate them. They are just

going to have to go the nutrition route and they might just as well do

it now. They are going to do it.

 

 

Now in relation to our test….Before I got involved in this, we

studied the whole history of medical persecutions of independent

researchers. And so they want to know the value of our test and how it

is done mechanically. The people who finance this---it's such an

expensive operation-- they elected in the beginning when studying the

history of persecution by the medical profession, that never at any time

(unless they change their minds) to give any information about the

mechanics of our test. All we do is test and tell you what to do. It's

like Jesus said, " after all is said and done, it's what works that

counts " . " And by the fruits you shall know them " . If we tell you what to

do and you do it, why

then that is all we are interested in anyhow. The medical profession

historically asks a guy how his test is run--then they find out how to

do it---then they wipe him out and make their big claims that they have

discovered something new---and then put him in prison. Then about 2 or 3

years later there is a great discovery and they come up with this test

and everybody thinks they are heroes again, which they are, but the way

they get to be heroes is not too good a method. So I don't want to

get involved in that method or get wiped out myself. So the people who

finance this will not allow any of this information to become available

until this is socially acceptable and then we'll talk about it later.

 

 

Q. There have been quite a few questions on your previously mentioning

urine

testing.

 

 

A. Urine testing is a good thing. Dr. Beard, way back in the early 40's

or even before then, developed a urine test that tells whether you have

cancer or not and it is a very good test. It's about 95 to 98%

correct and accurate. What is measured is the gonadotrophin. There are

only two times in the life cycle of the human being when you have

gonadotrophins excreted in the urine. One, when you are pregnant and

one, when you have cancer. If you are not pregnant and this test shows

up gonadotrophin, then you have cancer. Now the problem involved in this

is that Dr. Beard is one of those people who is going to save the world

and tried to force his test on the medical profession. The drug

companies accepted

this test then made the two hour pregnancy test kit out of it. Now they

have a 2 minute pregnancy test. They are using the same principle that

he developed and the same system. They are making a fortune out of it.

Dr. Beard is starving in Fort Worth, Texas. The man who developed it all

has been persecuted, stopped from talking and this is the standard

procedure.

 

 

 

I talked to the companies who produce these tests and I told them five

years ago that if they don't stop telling the doctors that this is a

pregnancy test kit, they would run into trouble. About six months ago

they finally admitted they had run into trouble because they have had so

many false positives on these tests. The urine test which they use for

pregnancy ---they told too many women they were going to have a baby.

That either upsets them or makes them happy and nothing happens. They

get so many false positive

tests so I told the company five years ago that they have to tell the

doctors that this test will test for pregnancy and cancer. These are

available in every laboratory in every state and every medical supply

company. The test they use for pregnancy is quite crude and it can be

refined just a little bit and can be used for cancer detection. And

maybe someday, in the next 3 or 4 years, the medical profession will

socially accept this thing as a cancer test.

 

 

Q. Impossible to hear from the tape.

 

 

A. First part of answer also to understand most people, as I told you,

today

whether they are fat or not, are starving to death for minerals.

 

 

Q. Quite a number or questions concerning low blood sugar here and

something

like black strap molasses.

 

 

 

 

 

A. Blackstrap molasses will make the symptoms more severe. In

hypoglycemia you

can get your minerals some other way if you want to. I don't think

anybody

really understands, or not very many truly understand what hypoglycemia

really

is. And if we ever get a publisher who will publish our works---I have

written

another book about the same size that our cancer book is----it will

completely

eliminate all the hypoglycemic problems if we can get it published

someday. It

is as simple as cancer.

 

 

Q You make quite a distinction between peanuts and nuts. Will you

comment

please?

 

 

A. Well peanuts are a high protein nut. The others are too, but peanuts

are

really a legume and not a real true nut. Also there is a mold called

aflotoxin

that is characteristic of it. Unless you have a good source of peanuts

and check

each one before you eat them, or get a good organic source where they

don't have

mould on them, it's a little bit risky to do this because they use this

aflotoxin as an irritant to cause cancer in laboratory animals.

 

 

Q. You've been talking quite a bit about pancreatin, but you

haven't said too

much about HCL as a supplement.

 

 

A. HCL is a good supplement and should be used at the beginning of each

meal. Maybe one HCL tablet if you tend to have a low HCL content. One or

the best waysto tell when you need HCL is, if you take a meal and

immediately have gas or burping or tend to have distress within a half

hour after eating. Then you are low on HCL. This is about the only way

you can tell without testing, unless someone else knows a better way.

Then you can take 1 HCL tablet. If you get too much HCL you risk getting

ulcers, upset stomachs towards the other way.

 

 

Q. Quite a few have asked questions having had cancer, having had

different

types of treatment and they apparently feel well. You have said

something about

this before but I think that some people still are worried about this.

 

 

A. You still find that you are worried about cancer. We find that all

the people who have had cancer and feel well now, have generally changed

their pattern of living and sometimes you can have a cancer (and it's

very rare), that the shock of surgery turns the pancreas on full blast

and it goes on for the rest of your life and you don't have to worry

about it. But by far, most people who have had cancerous tumors removed

still have one or two in the body growing. Probably less than l0% who

have had a cancer operation are completely free of cancer. If you feel

good and have no problems, take 3 pancreas tablets after each meal and

forget it. I'd go on and be happy.

 

 

Q. One person has a question concerning embryonic tumors. Is your

treatment also

effective with this type of tumor?

 

 

A. If they are thinking about the same thing I am, normally this works

good with

this type of tumor.

 

 

Q. There is one woman 88 years old who is rather anxious to do

something. She

wonders if she can undertake your particular test and treatment.

 

 

A. Age level doesn't make any difference to us. It doesn't hurt to eat

well, no matter how old you are. And something like my grandfather he

was told he would die if he didn't give up biscuits. Well he said he

would just as soon die. So he never did change. He lived to be quite

old. We can't see anybody without the request of their physician, so if

the patient is willing to co-operate and take a tough program and diet,

she might live to l00 but she may not want to.

 

 

Q. One person has been told by his doctors that 3/4 of his liver has

been

'shot'. Do you have a reassuring word for him?

 

 

A. Yes, that's just how mine was. They told me my liver was gone and

I'm still

kicking. We find that a lot of times the tumor is on the liver and not

in the

liver, destroying the liver itself. It's around the liver itself, and

the liver

tissue is not so badly damaged, as is this tumor growing adjacent too

and

mingled with the liver tissue. If it's the liver itself that's

completely

destroyed and eaten up, if 3/4 of it is gone, it is going to be a

problem. The

only precaution you have in this case is if dissolving of the tumor is

slow

enough so that it doesn't overload your body with toxins. Just so you

keep it

dissolving just a little bit. It's the rate of dissolving that counts.

Most

of the deaths that we had originally were involved with dissolving the

tumor too

fast. We dissolved them too fast until we learned better.

 

 

Q. Quite a few questions emphasizing the importance of Vitamin E and

Vitamin C

and perhaps the other B Vitamins in combating cancer. You have made very

little

mention of these. Would you comment please?

 

 

A. Whenever your cell finally has nutrition brought to it and it gets

all it

wants and it starts dumping out all its poisons, Vitamin C helps get rid

of the

poison at the cell level. It breaks down the electromagnetic field force

around

each individual cell and massive doses of Vitamin C are called for, for

a couple

of months, it will help get rid of the toxins and start the flow of

toxins out

of the body. It's OK to take Vitamin C in good size doses. Vitamin

E----a lot of

the researchers hold to the Otto Warburg theory of oxidation. You have a

lot of

oxygen in your system. Oxygen utilization helps cancer. If you hold to

that

theory, Vitamin E is a good oxidizing agent and helps in the utilization

of

oxygen. In that respect Vitamin E can help. Vitamin E can help in this

respect

and it won't hurt. We don't recommend a lot of Vitamin E because if you

are

really tough, like some Texans who can take it, the 14 grain cereal has

a lot of

Vitamin E in it and you don't have to take any pills with it.

 

 

 

If you can't stand the 14 grain cereal, then Vitamin E is real fine.

Dr. Shute helps stroke victims with a build-up of sometimes 3,600 units

a day. The average person he recommends about 1,200 units for the male,

and about 800 for the female.

 

 

 

Vitamin B: The B complex is good. Of course if you eat the l4grain

cereal, you will get a lot of the B, and in the right balance. When you

get the B complex out of balance that is

when you get into trouble. If you take too much B6, then you will

deplete your

body of B2 and then you'll have the nervous rigors. So this is a

problem. You

need well-balanced B Vitamins. You get it in yeast and grains. You can

take the

B Vitamins, maybe B1 you can take separately, but other wise I would

make sure I

had a B complex instead of individual Vitamin Bs. Liver is a good thing

for B

complex. The 14 grain cereal is listed in our cancer book. You can call

IACVF

and they can give it to you because it takes a long time to write it all

down.

 

 

Q. There have been many questions concerning the elimination of the

mucous on

the villi. They don't understand.

 

 

A. Now, the mucous on the villi. I'm talking to you and not promoting

any company doctor. A long time ago, Dr. Lee (who developed Standard

Process Laboratories) never knew when he developed this, but we

discovered this independently, he developed a tablet that had comfrey in

it and also pepsin. Now the comfrey root is a sticky, gooey mass and it

sticks. This pepsin, which is a digestive enzyme, against the intestinal

cell long enough for the enzyme to digest the mucous off. This is an

easy way to do it. Now what we recommend is two of these comfrey-pepsin

tablets made by this company, after each meal for about 3 months. After

one year, for about 3 weeks to make sure you have your upper intestinal

tract cleared off and the debris removed from it.

 

 

 

I read, about this time last year that the Queen of England was

somewhere and she had to take her glycerin and pepsin. Now in England

they do this a little different. They take a teaspoon of glycerin and

mix it with about 1 teaspoon of pepsin and make a paste in the bottom of

a cup. Than they fill the cup half full of warm water and they drink

this, between the meals. The glycerin is also sticky and it sticks the

pepsin against the intestinal tract to clean it out. These are the two

primary ways that I know

about. There may be other ways. We've done some work with the enzyme

from

pineapples and papaya and sometimes this helps a little bit to clean the

mucous.

It causes some kind of enzymatic action in the intestinal tract.

 

 

Q. Where can you get them? What company makes them?

 

 

A. I think you can get some of these in health food stores, but most of

these

companies that make the enzymes from pineapple and from papaya,

particularly

pineapple are prescription items that your doctor will have. There are

several

of them. They use them in medicine to reduce swelling and surgeons use

them.

They are amylase. There are 2 or 3 brand names but they are all

prescription

items. You can ask your doctor and he will look it up for you.

 

 

Q. How about comfrey?

 

 

A. Comfrey and pepsin is made by the Standard Process Laboratories.

 

 

Q. Where is it?

 

 

A. They have an office here in town. (Ed. note - They moved their office

recently to Watertown, Mass.) You have to have a doctor to get it.

 

 

Q. Will vegetable enzymes do as good as pancreatin?

 

 

A. There are papaya enzymes in some of the health food preparations. But

you

cannot take a vegetable enzyme and expect to cure yourself of cancer

because it

just won't work. But it may help to clear the mucous and a lot of the

health

food company's papaya may help clear the mucous, but we don't

have the data to

be sure this will happen.

 

 

Q. How about colonics?

 

 

A. As I said, all the colonics in the world will not help your small

intestine.

There are 33 feet of small intestine there and a colonic only washes out

the

last few feet of the large intestine. Besides that, you have a valve,

the

ileocaecal valve at the point of the appendix, where the water does not

go back

up the small intestine, even with a high colonic.

 

 

Q. There is one person here who says enemas are not possible with her or

him.

Are they absolutely essential?

 

 

A. If for some reason you can absolutely not have an enema, you should

take a

good laxative and keep the stool quite loose and keep the flow of

poisons out of

your system. Keep the poisons out of the colon-if you absolutely cannot

take an

enema, you can only do the next best thing.

 

 

Q. What about Bentonite?

 

 

A. The Bentonite is good for detoxification of the intestinal tract and

helps pull

poison out of the system and is a real good thing, but it doesn't

destroy the

mucous. It does destroy poisons, etc. Mucous is actually caked on there

somewhat

like Elmer's glue. When it's on there, it just has to be digested

off.

 

 

Q. Now long does it take?

 

 

A. Like I said you take comfrey and pepsin after each meal for 3 months.

Next

year we take it, 2 after each meal for 3 weeks. Acidolphilus does not

remove the

mucous from the smell intestine. It keeps the acidolphilus balance and

does a

lot of other wonderful things, but it doesn't do the mucous much good.

 

 

Q. Cannot be heard.

 

 

A. We're getting a question on milk here. Now milk, as I said

before, is made

for 1,000 lb. babies that moo. Whenever we got our babies, (we have 4

adopted

children), we didn't give them cow's milk. We got 4 goats. They had

milk until

they were 3. We don't let our children have milk. Milk is not good. You

can use

a little yoghurt. One of the reasons we got involved with milk is

because

pasteurized milk, the way I see it, being an orthodontist, is one of the

causes

of crooked teeth. If children drink it their jaws become depleted of

calcium.

Pasteurized milk is one of the biggest causes of orthodontic problems

plus other

things, but this is a significant factor.

 

 

Q. How can you get the cereal down without a little milk?

 

 

A. I didn't use milk at all. Sometimes you can use pure cream

diluted with

water. I just eat the cereal raw. Just gobble it down. Some people can't

stand

it. A lot of people put it in a blender and make it thin enough so they

can

blend a banana with it and they just drink it down.

 

Q. What protein do you give your own Children?

 

 

A. You can give them meat and other things unless they have a cancer

condition.

If you really want to do a good job of feeding your children, you get

into the

vegetarian system. But you really have to know what you are doing if you

eliminate meat from your diet. Of course I'm not a member of either

church, but

there are two primary groups in the United States that do a beautiful

job

teaching people the proper system of vegetarianism and that is the

Mormon and

the Seventh Day Adventist Church. They have good teachings and a lot of

good

books in relation to diet. Don't be a vegetarian unless you know

what you are

doing.

 

 

Q. What about soy milk?

 

 

A. Soy bean milk is OK in infants, I imagine. But don't ever feed kids

baby

food. All it does is make Gerbers & Beechnut and all the others a lot of

money.

And also makes the allergist a great deal of money. The Pediatrician

will tell

you to feed your child meat at the age of three weeks and that's the

most

ridiculous thing that has ever been devised by human beings. The

intestinal

tract isn't even adequately formed by that time and you give a child

meat from a

jar at the age of three weeks. I've seen mothers brag that their babies

ate meat

at three weeks. Then they begin to nurse their asthma and allergies. The

intestinal tract is kind of big and sieve-like and these meat particles

in great

globs fall through the intestinal tract and get into the blood stream.

You form

all the antigens and allergies. This is a terrible thing to happen to a

child.

You give a child goat milk until they are at least six months old and

then give

them table food after that and don't give them any meat until they are

nine months old.

 

 

Q. There are questions by people who are under other therapies such as

cobalt or

Laetrile. They want to know if there are any contra-indications to

continue

their present therapy and going on your program.

 

 

A. None whatsoever. It doesn't hurt to eat something ---you might just

as well

eat the right things. No matter whether you are taking 5 F.U, Laetrile

or cobalt

or whether you are going to the hospital for surgery, if you eat well,

your

chance of recovery is so much greater. If you are going to have surgery

for a

malignant condition you should take your pancreatic enzymes for about 3

weeks in

advance of surgery because this will help prevent the spread. A lot of

people

think if they are going to do surgery it is going to spread the

malignancy. But

if you have a good pancreatic supply of enzymes in your blood level at

the time

of surgery, you are not going to spread the malignancy and don't forget

the

recommendations of your physician for surgery if you have a good

pancreatic

enzyme supply.

 

 

Q. Here are two questions, apparently dissimilar, but relating to the

same

thing: This person has finished her cobalt treatments several months ago

but her

pain continues. This other person has just been operated on for cancer

of the

breast, radical mastectomy, she says " I felt marvelous before the

operation, why

did I not feel sick " . There are two questions---one felt wonderful

and one felt

miserable.

 

 

A. Well the cancer can grow without feeling sick, particularly the fast

growing

type. Sometimes your pancreas fails all of a sudden and your cancer

grows

rapidly. Sometimes your body isn't depleted and you don't get a

run-down

condition before the cancer. The easiest way doctors find cancer is in

the voice

box, the breast and in the bladder, at the real early stages. If they

can find

it early and get rid of it, why that's good and you generally don't feel

bad.

It's the slow growing hidden ones that you can't see, and that

don't interfere

with your functions, that grow for several years. Now, the first part of

the

question?

 

 

Q. This person was in much pain and feeling miserable and had cobalt and

is

still feeling miserable.

 

 

A. Cobalt, a lot of times after treatment in slow growing

 

 

Q. What I was intending was the contrast between these two patients.

 

 

A. Well, in a cobalt situation or any other situation, one feels bad for

a long

time at first. If it is generally a slow growing thing were they both

breast

cancer?

 

 

Q. It doesn't say.

 

 

A. If you feel bad for a long time and in a lot of pain..….Pain you

must

remember and if you don't take note: the most painful thing that happens

to a

human being is stretching syndrome. The bladder is the only tissue made

that was

designed to stretch. Any other tissue is painful. The most painful thing

that

happens to a human being is stretching. Whenever you have a lot of

toxins in

your body, whether it is from cobalt, or anything that causes toxins to

develop

in your body, they are stored in the lymph system. The lymph system

stretches

and stretches and keeps filling and filling with this debris and junk.

The more

it stretches, the more pain you have. This is normally what happens.

 

 

 

In this case it maybe where the nerve itself is being pinched from some

other cause. The

most frequent cause of pain in cancer is stretching of the lymph system.

When

the lymph system is quite stretched and gorged with debris material,

whether it

is growing cancer or dissolved cancer, it is quite painful. When you

detoxify the body, it is the best relief of pain. If it's from a toxic

condition or if it's from some other cause ---they will have to find the

basic cause ---whether it's from a nerve injury or something like that

or a nerve impingement of some kind.

 

 

Q. May I ask a question of the pancreatic enzyme that is used to

dissolve the

cancer? Has there ever been any radioactive labeling of it to see if it

dissolves the cancer?

 

 

Q. May I ask a related question? You have published a book, have you

published

any other literature or articles?

 

 

A. We have published articles about other things but not in relation to

health.

We are ready to do some when we get a publisher. There are other methods

of determining whether there is radioactive utilization of pancreatic

enzymes. Anyone who wants to do that can. We haven't actually done

radioactive studies ourselves. But that's not the only requirement

or criterion to see whether it works or not.

 

 

Q. Where have you come up with the relationship?

 

 

A. There are many things that have been written since 1900 about this

and you

can get the information through the International Association of Cancer

Victims

and Friends.

 

 

Q. Would you comment about the foods, the contrast between the organic

foods and foods that are obtained from the supermarket? Do those from

the supermarket

impede recovery terribly?

 

 

A. It is almost impossible to have all organic food. In many parts of

the country there is not enough available. You are going to have to use

supermarket foods. It is better to use organic foods. Even organic foods

are grown next door to the people who spray and pollution from the air

also drop on organic food. We tested food and found that even organic

foods are highly contaminated and so finally we get as much organically

grown food as we can. At our house we always process our food properly,

whether it's supermarket or organically grown, by cleaning it as best as

we can. There are a lot of cleaning devices. The air force found that if

they put a teaspoon of clorox in a sink full of water and soak all their

vegetables in that and in addition to that, we use BasicH or some

of the detergent cleaners which come from the health food store,

specifically to

clean vegetables. Some people even use a weak solution of hydrochloric

acid. You

can consult with your local health food store. They have a lot of

products with which you can clean the food.

 

 

Q Does soaking foods destroy many of the vitamins and minerals?

 

A. A lot of people say whenever you clean a food, you lose a lot of

minerals but

you don't, as long as the cell walls are intact.

 

 

Q. Gerson said something about the ground - that it was different in

organically

grown food.

 

 

A. It is always better to have organically grown food - there is no

question

about that. But if you can't, you just can't.

 

 

Q. There is a question concerning almonds. Whenever using almond or

apricot

kernels, do they need to be blanched and the skins taken off?

 

 

A. We never found it necessary to. There are all kinds of fads and

fanaticisms.

A lot of people feel that the skins of almonds have too much tannic

acid. We

don't hold to this. We give almonds for the protein content and so if

you want

to blanch them its OK. I myself use them with the skins on.

 

 

Q. What progress in dietary therapy did you observe at the ACS

conference this

week?

 

 

A. I don't associate with those boys too much. My thing is getting well.

 

 

Q. What about eggs?

 

 

A. I think eggs are a good food. I don't eat them often. The research is

that

they are good food. The best way to use eggs is to soft boil them in the

shell.

Dr. Cheraskin, a well known authority, thinks it's baloney about the

cholesterol. He used 700 dentists and had them eat 2 eggs a day and

their

cholesterol count decreased.

 

 

Q. Question is about cellular therapy.

 

 

A. Cellular therapy is the implanting of embryo cells in the body. When

the

pancreas fails from blood clots, etc, you need to re-grow the pancreas

and this

would help in a great number of cases. Cellular therapy seems to work.

We tested

people we didn't know had cellular therapy and it works. We did a

double blind

test on cellular therapy and it works well. You don't have one form of

treatment

- and just before one is dying of cancer you have to do more than one

thing. You

have to do several things at once.

 

 

Q. Can polyps in the rectum be treated nutritionally if they are

malignant or

otherwise, or is surgery ok?

 

 

A. That depends on your doctor. Surgery is not a bad thing and sometimes

it is

helpful. I would make sure to change the diet and be in good sound

health and

then if you have surgery it is that much better. Sometimes surgery is

indicated.

 

 

Q. Should white sugar be taken off the market?

 

 

A. Yes, it ought to be against the law - and white bread also.

 

 

Q. Can you explain more about low-blood sugar?

 

 

A. Low blood sugar is a malfunction and if you can correct these things

you can

pretty well wipe out low blood sugar:

 

1. Adrenal failure

2. Pancreatic failure

3. Liver failure

4. Mineral balance

5. Circulation

 

 

Whenever you have all of these things working well, you are not going to

have

low blood sugar.

 

 

Q. What about mixing vegetables and fruits?

 

 

A. There are a lot of fads about mixing vegetables and fruits in the

same meal.

There is a controversy about this. The researchers who are working on it

say if

you take enough enzymes, then you can. I don't recommend myself that

you eat raw

fruit and fresh vegetables at the same meal. Most of the researchers

don't hold

to that. They feel it is alright to mix it up any way you want to as

long as you

take enough enzymes to digest it properly.

 

 

Q. Do you consider 1200 units of vitamin D a small dosage?

 

 

A. Yes.

 

 

Q How do you explain the coffee enema stimulating the liver?

 

 

A. The coffee is absorbed in the large intestine. The large intestine

absorbs

liquid. That is its function. It goes directly to the portal vein, to

the liver

immediately.

 

 

Q. If someone has a cyst in the breast and wants to nurse the baby,

could this

have an effect on the growth of the cancer?

 

 

A. Of course you would have to ask your doctor about this but the way I

feel

about it is I don't think you can transmit cancer in this way.

 

 

Q. I don't mean transmitting it. I mean can the patient get worse?

 

 

A. If you take your nutritional supplements, your enzymes, I don't think

it will

make any difference.

 

 

Q. Do you have any information on feeding citrus pulp to cattle because

citrus

pulp has vitamin C and pectin and pectin kills undesirable intestinal

bacteria

that causes diarrhea in cattle? And about giving cattle linseed oil and

linseed

meal?

 

 

A. Well, linseed oil is of course flax, and the rind of grapefruit is

good.

Citrus pulp and the effect it has on anybody is a good question because

we are

all interested in stroke. We find that the pulp of grapefruit and the

bottom and

peel, the bioflavanoids, and the rutin, which is what is involved here,

and what

they are getting at, we find that this is good for the blood vessels and

if you

have blood vessels that are fragile and tend to a stroke, or you have

varicose

veins, you need the bioflavanoids and rutin. This strengthens the blood

vessels

themselves to make them more elastic and they don't fracture as easily.

Therefore, you don't have so many strokes or varicose veins. This is the

advantage we find clinically.

 

 

Q. You recommend buttermilk and yoghurt. Should it be raw?

 

 

A. What we are interested in buttermilk and yoghurt is keeping the

intestinal

bacteria count at a high level. You can take this in a tablet form from

the drug

store or from the health food store or you can take it in culture form

from the

health food store. It is better to use it in culture form than to use

buttermilk, but buttermilk is more readily available than yoghurt

because there

aren't health food stores in every part of the country.

 

 

Q. How much buttermilk?

 

 

A. You shouldn't drink over 1 glass of buttermilk a day.

 

 

Q. Is it possible to care for an enlarged thyroid nutritionally?

 

 

A. An enlarged thyroid is generally due to a bad mineral balance and it

is

called hyperplasia. The cells are screaming for some-thing to eat and

they are

just enlarging and enlarging because they are trying to get something to

eat. If

you give them a good nutritional program generally, they will probably

normalize. Chances are greater that they will than that they won't.

 

 

Q. If a person gets up in the morning and breaks out in perspiration and

has a

terrible sensation, like a blood sensation, could this be toxins?

 

 

A. We don't diagnose or treat anybody. Normally your autonomic nervous

system is

out of balance and you have sweats, etc. This is sometimes caused by a

great

number of worms in the body or the nervous system is out of balance. Or

you

could be suffering from hypoglycemia or hyperinsulinism. Those things

are

characteristic and you need to have your doctor help you find the

reasons for

those.

 

 

Q. If you are taking pancreatin and dissolving toxins and not taking

enemas,

will the poisons eventually come out of your system or will they stay

there

forever?

 

 

A. They will eventually get out of the system. It is not wise to dump

all the

poison into your system without helping your body take care of it, but

whenever

we say coffee enema, we insult most people. If you can't take or don't

want to

take it you can just tough it out.

 

 

Q. Would your therapy help leukemia?

 

 

A. This therapy works quite wall - it has in the past--in 3 or 4 weeks

in a

leukemia patient. It should show a marked change where you are

practically over

it. If you do it right. If it doesn't work that rapidly, you know that

you have

a bad amount of malignancy somewhere else in the body too. Leukemia is

no

different than other forms of cancer. Just in a different place.

Hodgkins

disease is the same thing. Hodgkins is the second easiest to cure.

Leukemia is

the easiest. Bone, brain and skin are the hardest. Not really

hard--slower. It

depends upon the circulation at the site of the tumor. It doesn't matter

whether

it is one or another kind of cancer. It depends upon the amount of

circulation

available to get the material to the site of the tumor in significant

amounts.

 

 

Q. Would you say something more about how to clean the vegetables? How

do you

use Clorox?

 

 

A. At our house we take Basic H, put 2 or 3 drops of that and a teaspoon

of

Clorox in the water. We let the vegetables soak for 30 minutes. We drain

this

off, fill the sink full of clear water and let vegetables soak for 30

minutes.

Then they can be eaten.

 

 

Q. Do you get all the DDT out?

 

 

A. No, I doubt if you get it all out. That is the best you can do in our

society.

 

 

Q. You mentioned that some patients died because the tumors were

dissolving too

rapidly; then you changed the system. What change did you make and how

did you

control the rate of detoxification?

 

 

A. You take your program until you feel sick, complete loss of appetite,

then we

tell the patient to give up the pancreatic enzymes completely for 5 days

and

then start again. Maybe they can go ten days and then stop again. You

can judge

the toxic condition of your body by the way you feel. And this is the

way you

are going to have to regulate it. You should do it until you feel bad

and then

just stop it. Wait awhile and start in again.

 

 

Q. Do eggs give you cancer?

 

 

A. No.

 

 

Q. What is the best way to get calcium?

 

 

A. Calcium is good in the body. Milk depletes the body of calcium. You

get

calcium from carrot juice and vegetables. That is the best way.

 

 

Q. Would you consider something unorthodox, like Laetrile?

 

 

A. If you have enough money and want to take Laetrile it's alright.

There's

nothing wrong with it. It is bad-mouthed by the medical profession

because they

do not have financial control over it.

 

 

Q. A lady who is not allowed to eat raw food because she has a bad

condition in

the colon. What can she do?

 

 

A. The cooked vegetable you are talking about we mentioned twice now.

You have

to take two things if you can not eat raw vegetables: 1) You take

vegetables in

the form of juice. 2) You take a large amount of enzymes.

 

 

Q. What kind of salt should one use?

 

 

A. Sea salt.

 

 

Q. What can be done for pyorrhea?

 

 

A. Pyorrhea is the first stage of arthritis. First you have pyorrhea,

then

osteoporosis and then you get arthritis. Mineral balance is off and the

calcium-phosphorous balance is off. First of all the mineral balance

should be

built up and get the calcium-phosphorous balance corrected. What can be

done

basically is take blackstrap molasses and then take Hydrochloric acid at

the

beginning of each meal and eat a lot of raw food.

 

 

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