vitiligo

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Hi Kristen,

There is a Chinese herbal website called www.goacupuncture.com where they

sell a vitiligo cream. I hope this helps you. Isabell McAren

[Guest guest]

The fact that the patient had dramatic improvement of her symptoms, and only

minor improvement of the vitilago symptoms, shows that the vitilago is part

of a more deep-rooted pattern of greater complexity than simple dampness or

damp-heat. Take the case again, and look at Zhu Dan-xi's " Heart and

Essence of Dan-xi's Method of Treatment " and Li Dong-yuan's " Treatise on

the Spleen and Stomach " from Blue Poppy for more ideas on your patient.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

on 7/21/00 2:10 AM, Peter Borten at innergate wrote:

 

> Hello,

> I know you all discussed vitiligo in the past, but since the archives are

> currently unavailable, I don't know if anyone mentioned this...

> My former professor Wei Li considers vitiligo superficial damp accumulation,

> with her herb of choice being Cang zhu.

> Near the end of my internship, I had a patient with vitiligo (neck and face)

> and many other symptoms of dampness in both the channels and viscera. I

> wrote her a modification of San Ren Tang plus a healthy dose of Cang zhu.

> She experienced a very minor improvement of the vitiligo (and a dramatic

> improvement of the rest of her symptoms) within the two weeks I saw her

> before graduating.

> -Peter

>

>

[Guest guest]

> -

> Kelly Welch

>

> Friday, July 27, 2001 10:53 AM

> Re: Digest Number 659

> Group: Has anyone heard of treating Vitilaigo(sp) with acupuncture and herbal medicine...I thought I would run it by the group while i try to find all I can on it...Kelly

 

Kelly-

(spelled) "vitiligo" the only thing I can tell you related to chinese medicine is that I have not heard much success except maybe this story: My roommate is Chinese, raised in Shanghai until he moved here in his early teens. I'm not sure if his western diagnosis was vitiligo, but he had patches of skin losing color, including on his face. Being an only male child, his parents brought him to chinese doctors as these discolorations would make him "undesirable" for marriage. He told me they gave him a lot of herbal teas (that of course he didn't like the taste of) and a lot of acupuncture. He felt like maybe it didn't work, but now he is in his late 20's and looking at him, I don't see any discolorations. He has some on his hands (that looks like vitiligo to me), but nothing on his face or arms that is obvious.

 

Unfortunately there is a genetic factor for the susceptibility which will make it harder to treat, but it's basically considered an autoimmune disorder, with the body destroying it's own melanocytes.

I'd focuse on herbs that strengthen wei qi, myself. I'd look at the pathomechanism as some kind of autoimmune related qi xu combined with genetic susceptibility (jing?) with this weakness causing the dysfunction of the body's protective qi (immune system/wei qi) in the skin layer. without seeing your patient, I would guess xu/vacuity

 

http://www.avrf.org/Vitiligo_Defined/treatment.cfm

 

http://www.vitiligofoundation.org/menu.htm

 

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Kelly,

How about acquiring the powdered herb from mayway or spring wind and mixing it into an oil or salve for external application?? spring wind makes an excellent salve which could serve as a perfect medium.

Eti

 

>"Kelly Welch"

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Blue Poppy used to manufacture and market a Bu Gu Zhi tincture for use

with vitiligo. However, it caused sensitization to the sun with

possible burning. Therefore, we pulled the product due to libability

fears.

 

If you really want to use this treatment, as Eti suggested, why not

just buy some Bu Gu Zhi and tincture it in some rubbing alcohol? It's

cheap and easy, although I'm not at all convinced of its efficacy for

vitiligo.

 

Good luck.

 

Bob

 

 

, " Kelly Welch " <kdwelch25@h...> wrote:

> Group: Can anyone recommend a company which makes a topical

appilcation of

> Bu Gu Zhi for Vitiligo or any other product for external application

with Bu

> Gu Zhi in it? Thanks, Kelly

>

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I recommend your seeing Liang Jian-hui's A Handbook of Traditional

Chinese Dermatology available from Blue Poppy Press or Shen, Wu &

Wang's Manual of Dermatology in available from

Eastland Press.

 

, " Kelly Welch " <kdwelch25@h...> wrote:

> Bob & others: Thank you for your responses. Right now I am focusing

on

> treatment with internal medicine. However, if I were to make a Bi Gu

Zhi

> tincture with rubbing alcohol what would be the volume of alcohol to

weight

> of herb ratio? Any help? Thanks, Kelly

>

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Kelly,

You can mix it as wett, it would be OK

Nhung Ta

 

Kelly Welch wrote:

 

> Bob & others: Thank you for your responses. Right now I am focusing on

> treatment with internal medicine. However, if I were to make a Bi Gu Zhi

> tincture with rubbing alcohol what would be the volume of alcohol to weight

> of herb ratio? Any help? Thanks, Kelly

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Geoff,

I have never treated vitiligo, but I did do a bit of research on it once and found that the herb Hu Huang Lian/Rhizoma Picrorhizae is supposed to be good for it. I do not recall where I found this information. My derm book, "Manual of Dermatology in ," divides this disease into:

1) Invasion of external excesses--wind-dryness pattern

2) Invasion of external excesses--damp-heat

3) Invasion of external excesses-congealing of cold

4) Constrained liver qi

5) Kidney yin xu

and there are two generic external washes recommended. I do not see Hu Huang Lian in any of the formulas listed.

Joseph Garner

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On Jul 11, 2005, at 1:25 AM, lau wrote:

 

> A bit late, but here is the info on the vitiligo patient of mine---

> any input is appreciated.

> I have been treating her for a blood deficiency, and using cupping

> locally on the areas of hypopigmentation.

> Patient is a 42 year old female

> symptoms include

> fatigue

> irritable, anxious

> has some night sweating

> numbness and tingling in hands

> muscle cramps

> sinus pain

> palpitations (anxiety induced)

> bowel movements 3-4 times a day, sometimes skips days and is

> constipated

> night urination

> neck and upper back pain

> awakens at night

> gyn- mensus began at age 13

> regular cycle, 4-5 day flow, bright red, clots

> menstrual pain and cramping before and 1st few days of period,

> breast distention before

> mood changes during

> bloating before, back pain before and during period.

> history of cystic breasts

>

> Tongue

> pale, scalloped, thin white coat- moist

>

> Pulses-

> Lung and heart feel slightly tight

> rest of the pulses are deep

>

> On her arms- by elbows, and forearm are the patches of skin

> discoloration, as well as on the knees, and top of foot/ankle.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Vitiligo is related with external wind and deficient blood.

There is an auriculotherapy protocol to treat this condition.

If it is a new condition, u can use a acu nedlle to bleed the corresponding

zone on the ear. Do it at LUNG point too. Then select Liver, Spleen, Kidney >

to enhance qi and xue. Pituitary, thalamus and endocrine which are involved on

melanine production.

Adrenal and allergic área to increase imune sistem and release wind ( external)

Nervous subcortex os indicated to, as a regulating pt.

The author says, if it is a long term disease , no good resuolts u will find.

Roberta

Terapias Orientais

www.robertablanco.com.br

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

hi there is a a herb is called ammi vasnaga they used it effectively in treatement of vitiligo especially its fruit it's used also in the phototherapy for treatement of vetiligo & psorasis hope u to get well soon jamie <jccallhan05 wrote: Hello-would anyone have any suggestions for repigmentation from vitiligo?thank-you,Jamie

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Hi Karen,

I am currently taking Mazin's derm diploma program now (I leave for london in

one week

today for part 2!!!). Unfortunelty we don't study the treatment of vitiligo

until June so I

can't offer too much help. So far all we have learned about white macules or

pigment

problems is that the pathogenesis is either Qi stagnation or a disharmony

between the Qi

and blood.

Anyways good luck,

Trevor

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Hi Karen,

There is an aside in Wang Qingren's description of tong qiao huo xue tang that

talks about " white patch wind " and " purple patch wind " , saying that blood stasis

in the " pi " part of the skin creates white patch, and blood stasis in the " fu "

portion creates purple patch. Meaning, I think, that if blood lodges

superficially there will be a colored spot and if it lodges deeper there will be

a lack of circulation in that area and consequent pallor. He implied that the

formula was wonderfully effective in either case. I have not seen other texts

that seperate the term pi-fu in this way, but there is a certain logic to it. Of

course, with Wang Qingren pretty much everything is attributable to blood

stasis, but I have used variations of the formula along with topical herbs to

some good effect in treating dark pigment issues, perhaps it would also help in

blanching.

 

Par Scott

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

If youn want to read more on what Par is talking about, Wang

Qing-ren's Yi Lin Gai Cuo (Correcting the Errors in the Forest of

Medicine) should be off the press this week and ready for shipment.

 

Bob

 

, " Par Scott " <parufus

wrote:

>

> Hi Karen,

> There is an aside in Wang Qingren's description of tong qiao huo xue

tang that talks about " white patch wind " and " purple patch wind " ,

saying that blood stasis in the " pi " part of the skin creates white

patch, and blood stasis in the " fu " portion creates purple patch.

Meaning, I think, that if blood lodges superficially there will be a

colored spot and if it lodges deeper there will be a lack of

circulation in that area and consequent pallor. He implied that the

formula was wonderfully effective in either case. I have not seen

other texts that seperate the term pi-fu in this way, but there is a

certain logic to it. Of course, with Wang Qingren pretty much

everything is attributable to blood stasis, but I have used variations

of the formula along with topical herbs to some good effect in

treating dark pigment issues, perhaps it would also help in blanching.

>

> Par Scott

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Feb 2, 2008 7:48 AM, billgatesisaterrorist <e.beard wrote:

 

> I have a condition on my body the doctors have called vitiligo, or the

> loss of pigmentation in the skin. It is on my hands, arms and knee. I

> have tried several herbs and vitamin combinations without success. The

> condition has been progressing for 7 years. I also have type I

> diabetes for 40 years, well controlled. Is there anyone who has had

> success in diagnosing the core cause and treatment of this condition?

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've researched it, from the TCM standpoint.

 

The diagnosis is loosely considered some sort of dampness in the skin, or

blood deficiency, often with wind. Still, draining dampness or nourishing

the blood from the inside don't really have much of an effect (to my

knowledge).

 

There are a variety of herbs used topically that are said to have a positive

effect on vitiligo. For those unfamiliar with the condition, this is a

little patch of skin that loses its pigment and so it gets whiter than

surrounding skin. This is much less of a problem in someone of Northern

European ancestry, and a greater problem for someone from a dark-skinned

area such as Southern India or Africa.

 

To my knowledge, the issue is only cosmetic (and emotional if it goes

there). Michael Jackson is said to have been treating his vitiligo when he

opted to have the rest of his skin bleached white so that the vitiligo areas

would be hidden. That's one story behind his color change, there are others

too.

 

So, looking through one of my herb books, I've identified a few herbs that

can be applied to the skin. In many cases, the therapy includes going out in

the sun (or otherwise being exposed to UV light) to darken the area.

 

One herb mentioned is Sheng Jiang which is raw ginger, something that is

commonly found in your local grocery store. The way that this herb is used

for vitiligo is to simply rub the herb (I presume while it is recently cut

and still wet with juice) on to the effected area 3-4 times daily for 2 to 3

months. [From Chinese Medical Herbology and Pharmacology, Chen and Chen;

quoting: Zhejian Journal of 1966; 3:97] This study doesn't

really mentioned going out in to the sun, so I'll leave that up to you.

 

I don't know if this works, TCM research coming out of China during the 60s

was often written to please the party bosses more than test medicines

accurately.

 

I honestly have never seen any of these herbs work for vitiligo. But I

remain hopeful.

 

-al.

 

--

, DAOM

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

 

 

 

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I don't know if this will shed any light on possible vitiligo

treatments or not. These remarks do NOT apply to everyone with vitiligo

or with other mentioned medical conditions.

 

" Graves' disease is an inherited condition, and your tendency to have

it was given to you in genes from you mother or father. " It's an

overactive thyroid condition. (Your Thyroid: A Home Reference,

1982,Lawrence C. Wood, M.D., F.A.C.P.; David S. Cooper, M.D., F.A.C.P.;

and E. Chester Ridgway, M.D., F.A.C.P., p. 85.)

 

The chapter goes on to say that people with this inherited tendency to

Graves disease " also have a greater than normal chance of developing

certain othr conditions. " (p. 86.) These include:

 

" Hair - Prematurely gray - anyone who finds a gray hair before the age

of 30 years is considered 'prematurely gray.'

 

" - Patchy hair loss (alcopecia areata) - often mild and temporary, but

may be extensive and long-lasting. It usually appears in the scalp but

may involve other hairy areas, such as the beard.

 

" Skin - White patches on the skin (vitiligo) - white areas that are

painless and often placed symnmetrically in places like the knuckles,

wrists, elbows, and neck.

 

" Blood - Anemia (a decrease in red blood cells) due to a lack of

Vitamin B12 (pernicious anemia) and not any of the anemias due to other

causes

 

" Joints - Rheumatoid arthritis - usually a symmetrical, deforming

arthritis involving especially the hands, writs, and feet. Morning

stiffness is a common complaint.

 

" Eyes - Protrusion of the eyes (exophthalmos). If the condition is

mild, elevation of the eyelids may be all that is noted (Figure 50).

 

" Metabolism - Diabetes mellitus ( " sugar diabetes " ), which usually

starts at a young age and requires insulin treatment. " (pp. 86-87.)

 

Earlier in the chapter the authors point out that although the

hyperthyroidism is common in younger members of the family, it may

progress to hypothyroidism in older relatives as a natural consequence

of Graves' disease or because they also have Hashimoto's disease

(chronic lymphocytic throiditis). (pp. 85-86.)

 

The authors give the info as a way of helping members of families that

may have inherited this gene to know when to tell their doctors to

suspect possible thyroid problems and other problems and to rule in or

rule out. If serveral of your genetic relatives have one or more of

several of the listed problems, relatives should be alerted to the

possibility of having this gene. Contrary to popular belief, doctors

don't always readily spot cases of hyper- or hypothyroidism. It takes

specialized blood tests to confirm thyroid problems, and some doctors

may be reluctant to order any tests other than routine ones.

 

I'm posting the info because of the possibility that it may offer

additional insights into the treatment of *some* (not all) cases of

vitiligo. Besides the fact that this gene is inherited, there are a

number of linked conditions that also could be associated with Kidney

Deficiency. The hair on the head, the production of Blood, and bone

(joint) problems are all linked to the Kidneys. There is debate about

all glandular health being linked to the Kidneys. The skin is linked to

the Lungs, and problems with the eyes and vision often (not always) are

the result of Liver imbalance. The Spleen plays the major role in the

production of Blood, but the Kidneys also play a significant role.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

I am looking for suggestions on a direction I might go concerning vitiligo. My 13 y.o daughter has had a patch on her back for about 3 years and has started to ahow tiny dots on her arms. Just this winter my 11 y.o daughter has had a patch appear on her thigh and now she has spots that are 1/2 the size of a dime on her arms. I was planning to take them both for a constitutional homeopathic remedy and some acupuncture however I am open to more ideas.

 

Thank You,

Kelly

[Guest guest]

Oleander extract, black cumin (Nigella sative) seed oil and curcumin - all three are great immuno-modulators.

Though some say to avoid sunshine, others say that sunshine may help the affected areas repopulate with melanocytes and regain pigmentation.

oleander soup , "Kelly DiBacco" <mkasj wrote:>> I am looking for suggestions on a direction I might go concerning vitiligo. My 13 y.o daughter has had a patch on her back for about 3 years and has started to ahow tiny dots on her arms. Just this winter my 11 y.o daughter has had a patch appear on her thigh and now she has spots that are 1/2 the size of a dime on her arms. I was planning to take them both for a constitutional homeopathic remedy and some acupuncture however I am open to more ideas.> > Thank You,> Kelly>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tony,

 

Would you recommend all three together?

 

Kelly

 

 

 

-

Tony

oleander soup

Monday, February 16, 2009 12:07 AM

Re: vitiligo

 

 

 

Oleander extract, black cumin (Nigella sative) seed oil and curcumin - all three are great immuno-modulators.

Though some say to avoid sunshine, others say that sunshine may help the affected areas repopulate with melanocytes and regain pigmentation.

oleander soup , "Kelly DiBacco" <mkasj wrote:>> I am looking for suggestions on a direction I might go concerning vitiligo. My 13 y.o daughter has had a patch on her back for about 3 years and has started to ahow tiny dots on her arms. Just this winter my 11 y.o daughter has had a patch appear on her thigh and now she has spots that are 1/2 the size of a dime on her arms. I was planning to take them both for a constitutional homeopathic remedy and some acupuncture however I am open to more ideas.> > Thank You,> Kelly>

[Guest guest]

Yes, if it were me I would give them all a try - they each have multiple health benefits. I think I would also try a little sunshine at a time, never getting more than the amount to turn the skin the slightest pink to see if perhaps that might help repopulate the skin pigment cells as some report.

oleander soup , "Kelly DiBacco" <mkasj wrote:>> Hi Tony,> > Would you recommend all three together?> > Kelly> > > - > Tony > oleander soup > Monday, February 16, 2009 12:07 AM> Re: vitiligo> > > > Oleander extract, black cumin (Nigella sative) seed oil and curcumin - all three are great immuno-modulators.> Though some say to avoid sunshine, others say that sunshine may help the affected areas repopulate with melanocytes and regain pigmentation.> Tony> > oleander soup , "Kelly DiBacco" mkasj@ wrote:> >> > I am looking for suggestions on a direction I might go concerning vitiligo. My 13 y.o daughter has had a patch on her back for about 3 years and has started to ahow tiny dots on her arms. Just this winter my 11 y.o daughter has had a patch appear on her thigh and now she has spots that are 1/2 the size of a dime on her arms. I was planning to take them both for a constitutional homeopathic remedy and some acupuncture however I am open to more ideas.> > > > Thank You,> > Kelly> >>