Guest guest Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 I did some research into activated Vitamin 3, 125-dihydroxy vitamin D. In one interview with Dr. Michael Holick (http://www.naturalnews.com/003142.html) he said that this form of activated vitamin D was only available by prescription. However I found a product called D Max - rated at 5,000 iu per capsule (http://www.vitamin-d-max.com/) that seemed to be saying that it was the activated form of vitamin D. Is the activated form of vitamin D available without prescription? Where can I obtain the correct form of vitamin D. And is D Max the correct form or would you recommend another? At what dosage? Thanks so much for all you do. Matthew Moore poppers5 oleander soup , Lisa Tovar <tov_legsec wrote: > > Does it cross the blood/brain barrier? > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, drKumar JK <drkumarj wrote: > > > drKumar JK <drkumarj > Re: Iodine > oleander soup > Thursday, April 2, 2009, 12:02 AM > > > > > We have excellent results with nascent iodine especially in breast cancers(even in stgIV),lung cancers(NSCLC) and Prostate cancers.It is relatively safe than taking iodine in diffenr forms.It is very safe and din't have any side effects including thyroid functions.Optimum dosage 10 drops two or three times a day.It is best to take in pure water.You could increase the water quanity if taste is a concern.We never had taste problems with the patients that were on nascent iodine.Activated VitD(D3)and nascent iodine are part of most protocols we use for cancers.A doctor in South India is getting best results in cancer patients given up by top cancer hospitals using these protocols. > Best, > Dr.Kumar > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, matthewalanmoore <poppers5 (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote: > > > matthewalanmoore <poppers5 (AT) aol (DOT) com> > Iodine > oleander soup > Thursday, April 2, 2009, 5:56 AM > > > > > I have started a new protocol which includes Nascent Iodine. This is my second day on this protocol. This protocol will include Sutherlandia OPC when it arrives. Today I took 2 drops in 4 oz of water. I'm supposed to work up to 10 drops, but I could barely get the 2 down. The instructions say to mix the Nascent Iodine with water. Does anyone know about Nascent Iodine, ie. can it be mixed with something else, like orange juice etc. I have taken alot of gross things before but Iodine is more than just bad taste. > (I was diagnosed 2.5 years ago with Squameous Cell cancer in the base of my tongue.)I have only done alternative treatments. > > Any advice on how to get the iodine down would be great! > > Thanks, > > Matthew > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 VitD3 is best given in liquid form. We use Lifeextension VitD3 emulsion (each drop=2000 i.u.)to be taken with curds or butter for better absorption and assimilation as well as bioavailabilty.We advise 3-4 drops a day.VitD3 is very safe and tolerance seen even at 40,000 i.u.VitD3 is MUST for breast cancers,prosate and lung cancers.VitD3 and nascent iodine always surprise us along with OPC.Don't leave out LDN .I feel nascent iodine,VitD3,LDN and OPC as simple as that does wonders for most of trhe cancers and cpmliant with mainstream therapies as well.These 4 combination is suffecient to work with for most cancers. Dr.Kumar--- On Fri, 4/3/09, matthewalanmoore <poppers5 wrote: matthewalanmoore <poppers5 Re: Iodine and Vitamin Doleander soup Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 2:49 AM I did some research into activated Vitamin 3, 125-dihydroxy vitamin D. In one interview with Dr. Michael Holick (http://www.naturaln ews.com/003142. html) he said that this form of activated vitamin D was only available by prescription. However I found a product called D Max - rated at 5,000 iu per capsule (http://www.vitamin- d-max.com/) that seemed to be saying that it was the activated form of vitamin D. Is the activated form of vitamin D available without prescription? Where can I obtain the correct form of vitamin D. And is D Max the correct form or would you recommend another? At what dosage?Thanks so much for all you do.Matthew Moorepoppers5 (AT) aol (DOT) comoleander soup, Lisa Tovar <tov_legsec@ ...> wrote:>> Does it cross the blood/brain barrier?> > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, drKumar JK <drkumarj@.. .> wrote:> > > drKumar JK <drkumarj@.. .>> Re: Iodine> oleander soup> Thursday, April 2, 2009, 12:02 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > We have excellent results with nascent iodine especially in breast cancers(even in stgIV),lung cancers(NSCLC) and Prostate cancers.It is relatively safe than taking iodine in diffenr forms.It is very safe and din't have any side effects including thyroid functions.Optimum dosage 10 drops two or three times a day.It is best to take in pure water.You could increase the water quanity if taste is a concern.We never had taste problems with the patients that were on nascent iodine. Activated VitD(D3)and nascent iodine are part of most protocols we use for cancers.A doctor in South India is getting best results in cancer patients given up by top cancer hospitals using these protocols.> Best,> Dr.Kumar> > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, matthewalanmoore <poppers5 (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote:> > > matthewalanmoore <poppers5 (AT) aol (DOT) com>> Iodine> oleander soup> Thursday, April 2, 2009, 5:56 AM> > > > > I have started a new protocol which includes Nascent Iodine. This is my second day on this protocol. This protocol will include Sutherlandia OPC when it arrives. Today I took 2 drops in 4 oz of water. I'm supposed to work up to 10 drops, but I could barely get the 2 down. The instructions say to mix the Nascent Iodine with water. Does anyone know about Nascent Iodine, ie. can it be mixed with something else, like orange juice etc. I have taken alot of gross things before but Iodine is more than just bad taste. > (I was diagnosed 2.5 years ago with Squameous Cell cancer in the base of my tongue.)I have only done alternative treatments. > > Any advice on how to get the iodine down would be great!> > Thanks,> > Matthew> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 Yes, Dr, Kumar, that combination might be sufficient to work for most cancers. Oleander itself is sufficient to work for most cancers. However, the protocol I suggest works for almost ALL cancers as far as I can tell and since cancer is a matter of life or death I personally would not leave any bullets out of my gun when fighting it (so long as they were compatible). Almost all of the people in this and other groups who use less than the full protocol (or close to it) I suggest are having success. However, I know of at least two incidences where people slacked off from the full protocol and had their cancers begin to once again get the upper hand. My protocol may be overkill for most people, but it attempts to address just about every thing we know or think we know about cancer so that no stone is left unturned in addressing as many cancers as possible. oleander soup , drKumar JK <drkumarj wrote:>> VitD3 is best given in liquid form.We use Lifeextension VitD3 emulsion (each drop=2000 i.u.)to be taken with curds or butter for better absorption and assimilation as well as bioavailabilty.We advise 3-4 drops a day.VitD3 is very safe and tolerance seen even at 40,000 i.u.VitD3 is MUST for breast cancers,prosate and lung cancers.VitD3 and nascent iodine always surprise us along with OPC.Don't leave out LDN .I feel nascent iodine,VitD3,LDN and OPC as simple as that does wonders for most of trhe cancers and cpmliant with mainstream therapies as well.These 4 combination is suffecient to work with for most cancers.> Dr.Kumar> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 Dear Tony, I know there are many options out there and cancer patients are just confused which ones to use and most important procuring them,correct sources,prices,continuation of therapies e.t.c,For each alternative there seems to be atleast one testimonial that claims'cure'so what to believe and whom to believe?There are very few doctors that work with alternative therapies with the patients and even finding an allopathic doctor that has been trained in alternative therapies as well is a dream and if you get one integrative doctor like that you are lucky!Fortunately we do have one doctor at our place that is the best of both the worlds(both mainstream and alternative)and cancer patients are very much benefitted from this doctor.What I have learnt from this doctor that if any cancer patient is in dark which one to go far alternative(as even many alternative therapies are not safe always and are contradictory to each other),he says irrespective of any cancer the alternative therapies that work for most cancers that are safe and easily available without any contraindication even if one is on mainstream like chemo are Nascent iodine,VitD3,OPC and LDN.He says these 4 are sufficient for any type of cancers.This promptly agree at our place where most have no access to other alternative therapies.So please listen cancer fighters include these 4 elements and work towards better prognosis.he has got excellent results with just these four alternatives.(of course no need to say about no sugar,organic diet,pure water,exercise,stress free meditation,no alcohol and smoking and exposure to sunlight). Dr.Kumar--- On Fri, 4/3/09, Tony wrote: Tony Re: Iodine and Vitamin Doleander soup Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 4:15 PM Yes, Dr, Kumar, that combination might be sufficient to work for most cancers. Oleander itself is sufficient to work for most cancers. However, the protocol I suggest works for almost ALL cancers as far as I can tell and since cancer is a matter of life or death I personally would not leave any bullets out of my gun when fighting it (so long as they were compatible). Almost all of the people in this and other groups who use less than the full protocol (or close to it) I suggest are having success. However, I know of at least two incidences where people slacked off from the full protocol and had their cancers begin to once again get the upper hand. My protocol may be overkill for most people, but it attempts to address just about every thing we know or think we know about cancer so that no stone is left unturned in addressing as many cancers as possible. oleander soup, drKumar JK <drkumarj wrote:>> VitD3 is best given in liquid form.We use Lifeextension VitD3 emulsion (each drop=2000 i.u.)to be taken with curds or butter for better absorption and assimilation as well as bioavailabilty. We advise 3-4 drops a day.VitD3 is very safe and tolerance seen even at 40,000 i.u.VitD3 is MUST for breast cancers,prosate and lung cancers.VitD3 and nascent iodine always surprise us along with OPC.Don't leave out LDN .I feel nascent iodine,VitD3, LDN and OPC as simple as that does wonders for most of trhe cancers and cpmliant with mainstream therapies as well.These 4 combination is suffecient to work with for most cancers.> Dr.Kumar> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 I hear what you are saying. Now please listen to me: I know people who did most or all of the 4 of those things you recommend, including members of this group, and their cancer was still winning until they followed the entire protocol (or most of it anyway). Which is not to say that what you suggest is not very good - just not as good as the entire protocol. I have spent years and many thousands of hours developing my suggested protocol to be one that touches all bases and offers the greatest chances of success. I realize that economic and other considerations may cause people to choose less than the entire protocol, and that many combinations of fewer items will likely be successful, but I feel very strongly that the more of the protocol one adopts, the greater the chances of success - and that is what I want to offer: the greatest chance of success. I appreciate your advice about the four items you have found successful. Other than LDN, they are all included in my suggested protocol. I like LDN ok, but all the evidence points to it being a good complimentary item as it mainly only slows down the progression of cancer. Thanks, oleander soup , drKumar JK <drkumarj wrote:>> Dear Tony,> I know there are many options out there and cancer patients are just confused which ones to use and most important procuring them,correct sources,prices,continuation of therapies e.t.c,For each alternative there seems to be atleast one testimonial that claims'cure'so what to believe and whom to believe?There are very few doctors that work with alternative therapies with the patients and even finding an allopathic doctor that has been trained in alternative therapies as well is a dream and if you get one integrative doctor like that you are lucky!Fortunately we do have one doctor at our place that is the best of both the worlds(both mainstream and alternative)and cancer patients are very much benefitted from this doctor.What I have learnt from this doctor that if any cancer patient is in dark which one to go far alternative(as even many alternative therapies are not safe always and are contradictory to each other),he says irrespective of any cancer the> alternative therapies that work for most cancers that are safe and easily available without any contraindication even if one is on mainstream like chemo are Nascent iodine,VitD3,OPC and LDN.He says these 4 are sufficient for any type of cancers.This promptly agree at our place where most have no access to other alternative therapies.So please listen cancer fighters include these 4 elements and work towards better prognosis.he has got excellent results with just these four alternatives.(of course no need to say about no sugar,organic diet,pure water,exercise,stress free meditation,no alcohol and smoking and exposure to sunlight).> Dr.Kumar> > --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Tony wrote:> > > Tony Re: Iodine and Vitamin D> oleander soup > Friday, April 3, 2009, 4:15 PM> > > > > > > > Yes, Dr, Kumar, that combination might be sufficient to work for most cancers. Oleander itself is sufficient to work for most cancers. However, the protocol I suggest works for almost ALL cancers as far as I can tell and since cancer is a matter of life or death I personally would not leave any bullets out of my gun when fighting it (so long as they were compatible).> Almost all of the people in this and other groups who use less than the full protocol (or close to it) I suggest are having success. However, I know of at least two incidences where people slacked off from the full protocol and had their cancers begin to once again get the upper hand.> My protocol may be overkill for most people, but it attempts to address just about every thing we know or think we know about cancer so that no stone is left unturned in addressing as many cancers as possible.> Tony> > oleander soup, drKumar JK drkumarj@ wrote:> >> > VitD3 is best given in liquid form.We use Lifeextension VitD3 emulsion (each drop=2000 i.u.)to be taken with curds or butter for better absorption and assimilation as well as bioavailabilty. We advise 3-4 drops a day.VitD3 is very safe and tolerance seen even at 40,000 i.u.VitD3 is MUST for breast cancers,prosate and lung cancers.VitD3 and nascent iodine always surprise us along with OPC.Don't leave out LDN .I feel nascent iodine,VitD3, LDN and OPC as simple as that does wonders for most of trhe cancers and cpmliant with mainstream therapies as well.These 4 combination is suffecient to work with for most cancers.> > Dr.Kumar> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 How does one obtain the LDN? Is it by prescription only?--- On Fri, 4/3/09, Tony wrote: Tony Re: Iodine and Vitamin Doleander soup Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 10:43 AM I hear what you are saying. Now please listen to me: I know people who did most or all of the 4 of those things you recommend, including members of this group, and their cancer was still winning until they followed the entire protocol (or most of it anyway). Which is not to say that what you suggest is not very good - just not as good as the entire protocol. I have spent years and many thousands of hours developing my suggested protocol to be one that touches all bases and offers the greatest chances of success. I realize that economic and other considerations may cause people to choose less than the entire protocol, and that many combinations of fewer items will likely be successful, but I feel very strongly that the more of the protocol one adopts, the greater the chances of success - and that is what I want to offer: the greatest chance of success. I appreciate your advice about the four items you have found successful. Other than LDN, they are all included in my suggested protocol. I like LDN ok, but all the evidence points to it being a good complimentary item as it mainly only slows down the progression of cancer. Thanks, oleander soup, drKumar JK <drkumarj wrote:>> Dear Tony,> I know there are many options out there and cancer patients are just confused which ones to use and most important procuring them,correct sources,prices, continuation of therapies e.t.c,For each alternative there seems to be atleast one testimonial that claims'cure' so what to believe and whom to believe?There are very few doctors that work with alternative therapies with the patients and even finding an allopathic doctor that has been trained in alternative therapies as well is a dream and if you get one integrative doctor like that you are lucky!Fortunately we do have one doctor at our place that is the best of both the worlds(both mainstream and alternative) and cancer patients are very much benefitted from this doctor.What I have learnt from this doctor that if any cancer patient is in dark which one to go far alternative( as even many alternative therapies are not safe always and are contradictory to each other),he says irrespective of any cancer the> alternative therapies that work for most cancers that are safe and easily available without any contraindication even if one is on mainstream like chemo are Nascent iodine,VitD3, OPC and LDN.He says these 4 are sufficient for any type of cancers.This promptly agree at our place where most have no access to other alternative therapies.So please listen cancer fighters include these 4 elements and work towards better prognosis.he has got excellent results with just these four alternatives. (of course no need to say about no sugar,organic diet,pure water,exercise, stress free meditation,no alcohol and smoking and exposure to sunlight).> Dr.Kumar> > --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Tony @.. . wrote:> > > Tony @.. .> Re: Iodine and Vitamin D> oleander soup> Friday, April 3, 2009, 4:15 PM> > > > > > > > Yes, Dr, Kumar, that combination might be sufficient to work for most cancers. Oleander itself is sufficient to work for most cancers. However, the protocol I suggest works for almost ALL cancers as far as I can tell and since cancer is a matter of life or death I personally would not leave any bullets out of my gun when fighting it (so long as they were compatible).> Almost all of the people in this and other groups who use less than the full protocol (or close to it) I suggest are having success. However, I know of at least two incidences where people slacked off from the full protocol and had their cancers begin to once again get the upper hand.> My protocol may be overkill for most people, but it attempts to address just about every thing we know or think we know about cancer so that no stone is left unturned in addressing as many cancers as possible.> Tony> > oleander soup, drKumar JK drkumarj@ wrote:> >> > VitD3 is best given in liquid form.We use Lifeextension VitD3 emulsion (each drop=2000 i.u.)to be taken with curds or butter for better absorption and assimilation as well as bioavailabilty. We advise 3-4 drops a day.VitD3 is very safe and tolerance seen even at 40,000 i.u.VitD3 is MUST for breast cancers,prosate and lung cancers.VitD3 and nascent iodine always surprise us along with OPC.Don't leave out LDN .I feel nascent iodine,VitD3, LDN and OPC as simple as that does wonders for most of trhe cancers and cpmliant with mainstream therapies as well.These 4 combination is suffecient to work with for most cancers.> > Dr.Kumar> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 Dr Kumar: Why would they recommend Nascent iodine which is in an alcohol base and a micotoxin. awareness.investigation.knowledge.potential.motivation.action.patience.results Duke Dallas - Texas info --- On Fri, 4/3/09, drKumar JK <drkumarj wrote: drKumar JK <drkumarjRe: Re: Iodine and Vitamin Doleander soup Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 11:59 AM Dear Tony, I know there are many options out there and cancer patients are just confused which ones to use and most important procuring them,correct sources,prices, continuation of therapies e.t.c,For each alternative there seems to be atleast one testimonial that claims'cure' so what to believe and whom to believe?There are very few doctors that work with alternative therapies with the patients and even finding an allopathic doctor that has been trained in alternative therapies as well is a dream and if you get one integrative doctor like that you are lucky!Fortunately we do have one doctor at our place that is the best of both the worlds(both mainstream and alternative) and cancer patients are very much benefitted from this doctor.What I have learnt from this doctor that if any cancer patient is in dark which one to go far alternative( as even many alternative therapies are not safe always and are contradictory to each other),he says irrespective of any cancer the alternative therapies that work for most cancers that are safe and easily available without any contraindication even if one is on mainstream like chemo are Nascent iodine,VitD3, OPC and LDN.He says these 4 are sufficient for any type of cancers.This promptly agree at our place where most have no access to other alternative therapies.So please listen cancer fighters include these 4 elements and work towards better prognosis.he has got excellent results with just these four alternatives. (of course no need to say about no sugar,organic diet,pure water,exercise, stress free meditation,no alcohol and smoking and exposure to sunlight). Dr.Kumar> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 --- I read an article that Dr Kelley stopped dispensing the Enzymes as the pharmaceutical companies were dabbling with them. Best to contact Dr. Gonzalez and see what he has to say. In oleander soup , " Tony " wrote: > > > I hear what you are saying. Now please listen to me: > > I know people who did most or all of the 4 of those things you > recommend, including members of this group, and their cancer was still > winning until they followed the entire protocol (or most of it anyway). > Which is not to say that what you suggest is not very good - just not as > good as the entire protocol. > > I have spent years and many thousands of hours developing my suggested > protocol to be one that touches all bases and offers the greatest > chances of success. I realize that economic and other considerations > may cause people to choose less than the entire protocol, and that many > combinations of fewer items will likely be successful, but I feel very > strongly that the more of the protocol one adopts, the greater the > chances of success - and that is what I want to offer: the greatest > chance of success. > > I appreciate your advice about the four items you have found successful. > Other than LDN, they are all included in my suggested protocol. I like > LDN ok, but all the evidence points to it being a good complimentary > item as it mainly only slows down the progression of cancer. > > Thanks, > > > > > oleander soup , drKumar JK <drkumarj@> wrote: > > > > Dear Tony, > > I know there are many options out there and cancer patients are just > confused which ones to use and most important procuring them,correct > sources,prices,continuation of therapies e.t.c,For each alternative > there seems to be atleast one testimonial that claims'cure'so what to > believe and whom to believe?There are very few doctors that work with > alternative therapies with the patients and even finding an allopathic > doctor that has been trained in alternative therapies as well is a dream > and if you get one integrative doctor like that you are > lucky!Fortunately we do have one doctor at our place that is the best of > both the worlds(both mainstream and alternative)and cancer patients are > very much benefitted from this doctor.What I have learnt from this > doctor that if any cancer patient is in dark which one to go far > alternative(as even many alternative therapies are not safe always and > are contradictory to each other),he says irrespective of any cancer the > > alternative therapies that work for most cancers that are safe and > easily available without any contraindication even if one is on > mainstream like chemo are Nascent iodine,VitD3,OPC and LDN.He says these > 4 are sufficient for any type of cancers.This promptly agree at our > place where most have no access to other alternative therapies.So please > listen cancer fighters include these 4 elements and work towards better > prognosis.he has got excellent results with just these four > alternatives.(of course no need to say about no sugar,organic diet,pure > water,exercise,stress free meditation,no alcohol and smoking and > exposure to sunlight). > > Dr.Kumar > > > > --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Tony @ wrote: > > > > > > Tony @ > > Re: Iodine and Vitamin D > > oleander soup > > Friday, April 3, 2009, 4:15 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Dr, Kumar, that combination might be sufficient to work for most > cancers. Oleander itself is sufficient to work for most cancers. > However, the protocol I suggest works for almost ALL cancers as far as I > can tell and since cancer is a matter of life or death I personally > would not leave any bullets out of my gun when fighting it (so long as > they were compatible). > > Almost all of the people in this and other groups who use less than > the full protocol (or close to it) I suggest are having success. > However, I know of at least two incidences where people slacked off from > the full protocol and had their cancers begin to once again get the > upper hand. > > My protocol may be overkill for most people, but it attempts to > address just about every thing we know or think we know about cancer so > that no stone is left unturned in addressing as many cancers as > possible. > > > > > > oleander soup, drKumar JK drkumarj@ wrote: > > > > > > VitD3 is best given in liquid form.We use Lifeextension VitD3 > emulsion (each drop=2000 i.u.)to be taken with curds or butter for > better absorption and assimilation as well as bioavailabilty. We advise > 3-4 drops a day.VitD3 is very safe and tolerance seen even at 40,000 > i.u.VitD3 is MUST for breast cancers,prosate and lung cancers.VitD3 and > nascent iodine always surprise us along with OPC.Don't leave out LDN .I > feel nascent iodine,VitD3, LDN and OPC as simple as that does wonders > for most of trhe cancers and cpmliant with mainstream therapies as > well.These 4 combination is suffecient to work with for most cancers. > > > Dr.Kumar > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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