Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Hello, I wanted to get another bottle of the oleander for just in case..or taking it rarely...... was wondering how long is the shelf life? and what is the difference between the soup and the capsules... the soup you make is pretty strong...was way stronger then mine....when I took the one I made..it seemed alright...but when I got yours and tasted it...it just ruined my day all together lol.. btw guys, since I read from here that the pancreatic enzymes are cancer killers, im starting to wonder since I now eat only once per day.. based on Barefoot's diet on curezone... the digestive enzymes should be less pre-occupied with digesting food and looking for cancer cells? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 The shelf life of the Sutherlandia OPC is at least 24 months although I have found that expired batches that I have given to welfare organizations still produce some amazing results, even after that period. From the feedback I have received over the last two years, the effectiveness of the capsules is the same as the liquid. The price is cheaper because of the lower weight and thus lower shipping and handling costs. Marc Swanepoel - boystyle oleander soup Sunday, April 05, 2009 4:25 PM To Marc Hello,I wanted to get another bottle of the oleander for just in case..or taking it rarely...... was wondering how long is the shelf life? and what is the difference between the soup and the capsules... the soup you make is pretty strong...was way stronger then mine....when I took the one I made..it seemed alright...but when I got yours and tasted it...it just ruined my day all together lol.. :)btw guys, since I read from here that the pancreatic enzymes are cancer killers, im starting to wonder since I now eat only once per day.. based on Barefoot's diet on curezone... the digestive enzymes should be less pre-occupied with digesting food and looking for cancer cells?Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 No -- the discussion was on whether pancreatic enzymes themselves kill PEOPLE, not cancer. A relatively famous alternative healer on another group claims that pancreatic enzymes cause cancer to metastaticize, killing people in a hurry. This bombshell was dropped a few days ago,and we are still trying to sort out the mess -- to figure out what is true. > > btw guys, since I read from here that the pancreatic enzymes are cancer killers, im starting to wonder since I now eat only once per day.. based on Barefoot's diet on curezone... the digestive enzymes should be less pre-occupied with digesting food and looking for cancer cells? > > > Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 The information on the spreading of cancer after taking pancreatic enzymes comes from a US National Institute of Health (NIH) write-up on the Dr Gonzales' treatment that states, among other things, the following (see http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/gonzalez/Patient/page2/print): "In 1999, an animal study tested the effect of different doses of pancreatic enzymes taken by mouth on the growth and metastasis (spread) of breast cancer in rats. Some of the rats received magnesium citrate in addition to the enzymes. Rats receiving the enzymes were compared to rats that did not receive the enzymes. Results showed that the enzyme did not affect growth of the primary tumor (where the cancer started). The cancer spread to the most places in the rats that received the highest dose of enzymes. The cancer spread to the fewest places in the rats that received the lowest dose of enzymes plus magnesium citrate." The info on Dr Gonzales' treatment is the following: Dr. Gonzales, M.D. reviewed and published the follow-up results of 11 patients who followed his treatment regime. They lived on average three times longer than expected. Gonzales said all the patients were in an advanced stage of the illness, and their conditions were inoperable. He further stated that "the survival rate at this stage is usually about 4-5 months, but the survival rate for the test patients was 17 1/2 months... I think the pancreatic enzymes do have a powerful anti-cancer effect. We do use diet (fruits and vegetables), we do use coffee enemas, we do use vitamins and minerals. I don't think any of those things kill cancer cells. I do think pancreatic enzymes do." [Nutrition and Cancer 33(2): pp.117-124] Marc Swanepoel - jrrjim oleander soup Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:10 PM Re: To Marc No -- the discussion was on whether pancreatic enzymes themselves kill PEOPLE, not cancer. A relatively famous alternative healer on another group claims that pancreatic enzymes cause cancer to metastaticize, killing people in a hurry. This bombshell was dropped a few days ago,and we are still trying to sort out the mess -- to figure out what is true. > > btw guys, since I read from here that the pancreatic enzymes are cancer killers, im starting to wonder since I now eat only once per day.. based on Barefoot's diet on curezone... the digestive enzymes should be less pre-occupied with digesting food and looking for cancer cells?> > > Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 The NIH site reports two contradictory studies on rats. The first, documented below, is that pancreatic enzymes make cancer worse. The second was that pancreatic enzymes prolonged the life of rats taking them. YIKES. oleander soup , " Marc Swanepoel - PhD " <marcswan wrote: > > The information on the spreading of cancer after taking pancreatic enzymes comes from a US National Institute of Health (NIH) write-up on the Dr Gonzales' treatment that states, among other things, the following (see http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/gonzalez/Patient/page2/print): > > " In 1999, an animal study tested the effect of different doses of pancreatic enzymes taken by mouth on the growth and metastasis (spread) of breast cancer in rats. Some of the rats received magnesium citrate in addition to the enzymes. Rats receiving the enzymes were compared to rats that did not receive the enzymes. > a.. Results showed that the enzyme did not affect growth of the primary tumor (where the cancer started). > b.. The cancer spread to the most places in the rats that received the highest dose of enzymes. > c.. The cancer spread to the fewest places in the rats that received the lowest dose of enzymes plus magnesium citrate. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 So, what's new?. - jrrjim oleander soup Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:12 PM Re: To Marc The NIH site reports two contradictory studies on rats. The first, documented below, is that pancreatic enzymes make cancer worse. The second was that pancreatic enzymes prolonged the life of rats taking them.YIKES. oleander soup , "Marc Swanepoel - PhD" <marcswan wrote:>> The information on the spreading of cancer after taking pancreatic enzymes comes from a US National Institute of Health (NIH) write-up on the Dr Gonzales' treatment that states, among other things, the following (see http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/gonzalez/Patient/page2/print):> > "In 1999, an animal study tested the effect of different doses of pancreatic enzymes taken by mouth on the growth and metastasis (spread) of breast cancer in rats. Some of the rats received magnesium citrate in addition to the enzymes. Rats receiving the enzymes were compared to rats that did not receive the enzymes. > a.. Results showed that the enzyme did not affect growth of the primary tumor (where the cancer started). > b.. The cancer spread to the most places in the rats that received the highest dose of enzymes. > c.. The cancer spread to the fewest places in the rats that received the lowest dose of enzymes plus magnesium citrate."> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 test--- On Sun, 4/5/09, Marc Swanepoel - PhD <marcswan wrote:Marc Swanepoel - PhD <marcswanRe: Re: To Marcoleander soup Received: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 3:35 PM So, what's new?. - jrrjim oleander soup Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:12 PM Re: To Marc The NIH site reports two contradictory studies on rats. The first, documented below, is that pancreatic enzymes make cancer worse. The second was that pancreatic enzymes prolonged the life of rats taking them.YIKES. oleander soup, "Marc Swanepoel - PhD" <marcswan@.. .> wrote:>> The information on the spreading of cancer after taking pancreatic enzymes comes from a US National Institute of Health (NIH) write-up on the Dr Gonzales' treatment that states, among other things, the following (see http://www.cancer. gov/cancertopics /pdq/cam/ gonzalez/ Patient/page2/ print):> > "In 1999, an animal study tested the effect of different doses of pancreatic enzymes taken by mouth on the growth and metastasis (spread) of breast cancer in rats. Some of the rats received magnesium citrate in addition to the enzymes. Rats receiving the enzymes were compared to rats that did not receive the enzymes. > a.. Results showed that the enzyme did not affect growth of the primary tumor (where the cancer started). > b.. The cancer spread to the most places in the rats that received the highest dose of enzymes. > c.. The cancer spread to the fewest places in the rats that received the lowest dose of enzymes plus magnesium citrate."> Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 thanks for the reply I must have misread it... Thanks oleander soup , " jrrjim " <jim.mcelroy10 wrote: > > No -- the discussion was on whether pancreatic enzymes themselves kill PEOPLE, not cancer. A relatively famous alternative healer on another group claims that pancreatic enzymes cause cancer to metastaticize, killing people in a hurry. This bombshell was dropped a few days ago,and we are still trying to sort out the mess -- to figure out what is true. > > > > > btw guys, since I read from here that the pancreatic enzymes are cancer killers, im starting to wonder since I now eat only once per day.. based on Barefoot's diet on curezone... the digestive enzymes should be less pre-occupied with digesting food and looking for cancer cells? > > > > > > Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 I received my first bottle of OPC today. Johannesburg to Cincinnati..... 10 days to my front door. Haven't found the Black Seed Oil or the Curcumin anywhere. Dave oleander soup , " Marc Swanepoel - PhD " <marcswan wrote: > > The shelf life of the Sutherlandia OPC is at least 24 months although I have found that expired batches that I have given to welfare organizations still produce some amazing results, even after that period. From the feedback I have received over the last two years, the effectiveness of the capsules is the same as the liquid. The price is cheaper because of the lower weight and thus lower shipping and handling costs. > > Marc Swanepoel > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 http://www.av-at.com/prices.html sells blackseed (Nigella sativa) essential oil. quality is excellent. sorry.........having trouble trimming On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 8:53 PM, capndavy67 <signaldavid wrote: I received my first bottle of OPC today. Johannesburg to Cincinnati..... 10 days to my front door. Haven't found the Black Seed Oil or the Curcumin anywhere.Daveoleander soup , " Marc Swanepoel - PhD " <marcswan wrote: >> The shelf life of the Sutherlandia OPC is at least 24 months although I have found that expired batches that I have given to welfare organizations still produce some amazing results, even after that period. From the feedback I have received over the last two years, the effectiveness of the capsules is the same as the liquid. The price is cheaper because of the lower weight and thus lower shipping and handling costs. > > Marc Swanepoel> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Blackseed oil is widely avaiable if you search for it - just be sure that it is Nigella Sativa and not something else calling itself blackseed oil. This looks like a good source: http://www.botanicoil.com/products/black_cumin_seed_oil.htm I have no connection with that company btw. Now, when it comes to bioavailable curcumin, I believe that one of the best is Super-Bio Curcumin from Life Extension Foundation , which I am an affiliate of. Another source that has been highly recommended is turmeric-curcumin.com oleander soup , "capndavy67" <signaldavid wrote:>> > I received my first bottle of OPC today. Johannesburg to Cincinnati..... 10 days to my front door. Haven't found the Black Seed Oil or the Curcumin anywhere.> Dave> > > > > > oleander soup , "Marc Swanepoel - PhD" marcswan@ wrote:> >> > The shelf life of the Sutherlandia OPC is at least 24 months although I have found that expired batches that I have given to welfare organizations still produce some amazing results, even after that period. From the feedback I have received over the last two years, the effectiveness of the capsules is the same as the liquid. The price is cheaper because of the lower weight and thus lower shipping and handling costs.> > > > Marc Swanepoel> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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