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In a message dated 5/7/2009 8:27:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, eklein.otis writes:

 

 

 

 

Hi,I am sorry to hear you have cancer.. It is awful to be diagnosed, especially in your 30's. I am only 38 and last August I was diagnosed with a rare Liposarcoma. Have you thought about using Cesium chloride initially, as it works fast. I used it and I felt the effects pretty much immediately. A little scary to feel the pain, but reassuring as well, knowing that cancer cells are either dying or swelling and bursting. I did the Cesium chloride protocol for about 4 months and gradually incorporated everything on Tony's protocol into my daily life as I could afford it. Oleander came first of course. Like Oleander, Cesium also diminishes or eliminates most of the harmful side effects of chemo. "Luckily" for me, sarcomas like mine don't really respond to chemo or radiation, so I didn't have this choice to make. Actually, I knew I would never do chemo, as I have worked as an RN on a few oncology wards over the years and I have seen the results of chemo on a daily basis. My cancer simply meant it wasn't pushed on me and the doctors even apologized profusely that they couldn't offer chemo to me.Weigh up all your options, read widely and go with what your gut tells you to be correct for you. Not what someone scares you into doing. The medical profession, which I am a part of, is VERY good at this. I spent many a night poring over articles on the internet, praying for guidance on what to do. When I decided what to do, I knew it was the right decision and peace of mind came. Then I took a 6 month leave of absence from work so wouldn't have to listen to my colleagues, the naysayers who already thought they would be going to my funeral.Hope this helps a little,Blessings, Eva.On Thu, 5/7/09, ngilbert4787 <ngilbert4787 wrote:

ngilbert4787 <ngilbert4787 needing adviceoleander soup Date: Thursday, May 7, 2009, 9:55 PM

 

 

I just joined the group and haven't posted much yet. Right now I have been in the gathering information stage. But now I have an important decision to make and I am not certain what to do. I am 30 years old and i have an extremely rare and aggressive type of thyroid cancer that has spread throughout my chest and lungs and into one hip bone. I have participated in two clinical trials at Sloan Kettering Cancer Center using anti-angiogenisis drugs. I have found them exremely tolerable (barely any side effects) and they have slowed things down a bit for me, but now I am at the point where they're not really working any more. They say I can go six more weeks with the drug I'm on and see what happens or I can begin chemotherapy. They said they will have more clinical trials in the future that I can try but that these are my options right now and I need decide by tomorrow. I started Budwig last week but I have been off of it this week because I am in New York for doctors appointments. I am still waiting for my OPC to come in the mail. It should be here any day. So I am trying to decide between chemo or continuing to take a nontoxic drug that is not working very well and introducing oleader and budwig. The next scans will be in 6 weeks and if there is more growth, chemo will be my only option. I am looking into other clinical trials in other areas, but that will take time to implement and I do not want to be in a position where I am receiving no treatment at all as this cancer is aggressive. Any advice?

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I just joined the group and haven't posted much yet. Right now I have been in

the gathering information stage. But now I have an important decision to make

and I am not certain what to do. I am 30 years old and i have an extremely rare

and aggressive type of thyroid cancer that has spread throughout my chest and

lungs and into one hip bone. I have participated in two clinical trials at

Sloan Kettering Cancer Center using anti-angiogenisis drugs. I have found them

exremely tolerable (barely any side effects) and they have slowed things down a

bit for me, but now I am at the point where they're not really working any more.

They say I can go six more weeks with the drug I'm on and see what happens or I

can begin chemotherapy. They said they will have more clinical trials in the

future that I can try but that these are my options right now and I need decide

by tomorrow. I started Budwig last week but I have been off of it this week

because I am in New York for doctors appointments. I am still waiting for my

OPC to come in the mail. It should be here any day. So I am trying to decide

between chemo or continuing to take a nontoxic drug that is not working very

well and introducing oleader and budwig. The next scans will be in 6 weeks and

if there is more growth, chemo will be my only option. I am looking into other

clinical trials in other areas, but that will take time to implement and I do

not want to be in a position where I am receiving no treatment at all as this

cancer is aggressive. Any advice?

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Welcome to the group!

One thing I would not opt for is chemo. Chemo does not cure and only serves to destroy the body and damage an already severely compromised immune system. What is in order is strengthening your immune system so cancer can no longer reside in your body.

The best way to dealing with your cancer is "naturally." Actually, this is the only way to total healing. With chemo, you would only have the hope of remission and actually, sometimes chemo actually spreads the cancer to other parts of the body. Not to mention that sometimes the cancer returns with a vengeance where chemo, radiation, and no other conventional measures can be of help.

Start taking Sutherlandia OPC when it arrives, together with following Tony's Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol. This Protocol is the result of years of research as to the best proven methods of strengthening your immune system to eliminate cancer. Do as much of it as possible, although all of it is preferred. You will notice that The Budwig Diet is part of this Protocol.

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oleander soup , "ngilbert4787" <ngilbert4787 wrote:>> I just joined the group and haven't posted much yet. Right now I have been in the gathering information stage. But now I have an important decision to make and I am not certain what to do. I am 30 years old and i have an extremely rare and aggressive type of thyroid cancer that has spread throughout my chest and lungs and into one hip bone. I have participated in two clinical trials at Sloan Kettering Cancer Center using anti-angiogenisis drugs. I have found them exremely tolerable (barely any side effects) and they have slowed things down a bit for me, but now I am at the point where they're not really working any more. They say I can go six more weeks with the drug I'm on and see what happens or I can begin chemotherapy. They said they will have more clinical trials in the future that I can try but that these are my options right now and I need decide by tomorrow. I started Budwig last week but I have been off of it this week because I am in New York for doctors appointments. I am still waiting for my OPC to come in the mail. It should be here any day. So I am trying to decide between chemo or continuing to take a nontoxic drug that is not working very well and introducing oleader and budwig. The next scans will be in 6 weeks and if there is more growth, chemo will be my only option. I am looking into other clinical trials in other areas, but that will take time to implement and I do not want to be in a position where I am receiving no treatment at all as this cancer is aggressive. Any advice?>

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Hi,I am sorry to hear you have cancer.. It is awful to be diagnosed, especially in your 30's. I am only 38 and last August I was diagnosed with a rare Liposarcoma. Have you thought about using Cesium chloride initially, as it works fast. I used it and I felt the effects pretty much immediately. A little scary to feel the pain, but reassuring as well, knowing that cancer cells are either dying or swelling and bursting. I did the Cesium chloride protocol for about 4 months and gradually incorporated everything on Tony's protocol into my daily life as I could afford it. Oleander came first of course. Like Oleander, Cesium also diminishes or eliminates most of the harmful side effects of chemo. "Luckily" for me, sarcomas like mine don't really respond to chemo or radiation, so I didn't have this choice to

make. Actually, I knew I would never do chemo, as I have worked as an RN on a few oncology wards over the years and I have seen the results of chemo on a daily basis. My cancer simply meant it wasn't pushed on me and the doctors even apologized profusely that they couldn't offer chemo to me.Weigh up all your options, read widely and go with what your gut tells you to be correct for you. Not what someone scares you into doing. The medical profession, which I am a part of, is VERY good at this. I spent many a night poring over articles on the internet, praying for guidance on what to do. When I decided what to do, I knew it was the right decision and peace of mind came. Then I took a 6 month leave of absence from work so wouldn't have to listen to my colleagues, the naysayers who already thought they would be going to my funeral.Hope this helps a little,Blessings, Eva.On

Thu, 5/7/09, ngilbert4787 <ngilbert4787 wrote:ngilbert4787 <ngilbert4787 needing adviceoleander soup Date: Thursday, May 7, 2009, 9:55 PM

 

I just joined the group and haven't posted much yet. Right now I have been in the gathering information stage. But now I have an important decision to make and I am not certain what to do. I am 30 years old and i have an extremely rare and aggressive type of thyroid cancer that has spread throughout my chest and lungs and into one hip bone. I have participated in two clinical trials at Sloan Kettering Cancer Center using anti-angiogenisis drugs. I have found them exremely tolerable (barely any side effects) and they have slowed things down a bit for me, but now I am at the point where they're not really working any more. They say I can go six more weeks with the drug I'm on and see what happens or I can begin chemotherapy. They said they will have more clinical trials in the future that I can try but that these are my options right now and I need decide by tomorrow. I started Budwig last week but I have been off of it this week because I

am in New York for doctors appointments. I am still waiting for my OPC to come in the mail. It should be here any day. So I am trying to decide between chemo or continuing to take a nontoxic drug that is not working very well and introducing oleader and budwig. The next scans will be in 6 weeks and if there is more growth, chemo will be my only option. I am looking into other clinical trials in other areas, but that will take time to implement and I do not want to be in a position where I am receiving no treatment at all as this cancer is aggressive. Any advice?

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Thank you for your kind advice. I am leaning towards declining the chemo although I am considering continuing with the trial as it seems to be slowing things down a little without side effects. I will consider the Cesium. You said it works really fast. What exactly resulted from it? What benefits did you see?

Thank you,

-Nicole-

 

 

 

Eva Klein-Otis <eklein.otisoleander soup Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2009 8:26:36 PMRe: needing advice

 

 

 

 

 

Hi,I am sorry to hear you have cancer.. It is awful to be diagnosed, especially in your 30's. I am only 38 and last August I was diagnosed with a rare Liposarcoma. Have you thought about using Cesium chloride initially, as it works fast. I used it and I felt the effects pretty much immediately. A little scary to feel the pain, but reassuring as well, knowing that cancer cells are either dying or swelling and bursting. I did the Cesium chloride protocol for about 4 months and gradually incorporated everything on Tony's protocol into my daily life as I could afford it. Oleander came first of course. Like Oleander, Cesium also diminishes or eliminates most of the harmful side effects of chemo. "Luckily" for me, sarcomas like mine don't really respond to chemo or radiation, so I didn't have this choice to make. Actually, I knew I would never do chemo, as I have worked as an RN

on a few oncology wards over the years and I have seen the results of chemo on a daily basis. My cancer simply meant it wasn't pushed on me and the doctors even apologized profusely that they couldn't offer chemo to me.Weigh up all your options, read widely and go with what your gut tells you to be correct for you. Not what someone scares you into doing. The medical profession, which I am a part of, is VERY good at this. I spent many a night poring over articles on the internet, praying for guidance on what to do. When I decided what to do, I knew it was the right decision and peace of mind came. Then I took a 6 month leave of absence from work so wouldn't have to listen to my colleagues, the naysayers who already thought they would be going to my funeral.Hope this helps a little,Blessings, Eva.On Thu, 5/7/09, ngilbert4787 <ngilbert4787@ > wrote:

ngilbert4787 <ngilbert4787@ > needing adviceoleander soupThursday, May 7, 2009, 9:55 PM

 

 

I just joined the group and haven't posted much yet. Right now I have been in the gathering information stage. But now I have an important decision to make and I am not certain what to do. I am 30 years old and i have an extremely rare and aggressive type of thyroid cancer that has spread throughout my chest and lungs and into one hip bone. I have participated in two clinical trials at Sloan Kettering Cancer Center using anti-angiogenisis drugs. I have found them exremely tolerable (barely any side effects) and they have slowed things down a bit for me, but now I am at the point where they're not really working any more. They say I can go six more weeks with the drug I'm on and see what happens or I can begin chemotherapy. They said they will have more clinical trials in the future that I can try but that these are my options right now and I need decide by tomorrow. I started Budwig last week but I have been off of it this week because I am in New

York for doctors appointments. I am still waiting for my OPC to come in the mail. It should be here any day. So I am trying to decide between chemo or continuing to take a nontoxic drug that is not working very well and introducing oleader and budwig. The next scans will be in 6 weeks and if there is more growth, chemo will be my only option. I am looking into other clinical trials in other areas, but that will take time to implement and I do not want to be in a position where I am receiving no treatment at all as this cancer is aggressive. Any advice?

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You're welcome Nicole.Here is a link to CancerTutor's guide on Cesium. http://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer/Alkaline.htmlIt is a very involved protocol. You can either take it internally or put it on your body. I am a fairskinned redhead with sensitive skin and the DMSO really irritated my skin. So I took it internally and was fine with it. On the above link it also talks about Ursolic Acid. I used it for about 4 months, too. It helps to stop pain from the dying cancer cells and it helped kill off more cancer cells. However at $300USD for a month it is enormously expensive. I really think doing Sutherlandia OPC is much better and cheaper. You will need S/OPC, because even Larry from Essense of Life, the vendor Webster Kehr from CancerTutor recommends for Cesium,

says that Cesium needs a treatment to back it up. I know they say that you shouldn't combine Stage 4

treatments, but I did Cesium and 2 capsules of S/OPC as well as the Bob Beck Protocol. Sometimes you just have to weigh the cost. Cesium started to work for me very quickly. Meaning I felt a dull ache and stabbing pain where my tumor was about 2 weeks into the treatment. My surgeon did not remove the usual margin when he removed my tumor, as he would have removed vital organs. I think the fact that he was not an Oncologist/surgeon influenced this decision. We apparently don't see many Sarcomas in Australia and I had to travel interstate to be operated on because no one in my state would touch me. Based on the fact that the required margin wasn't removed, and my tumor originated in my fatty tissue, I knew I still had a lot of cancer cells in my body. And more were likely growing.The biggest benefit I have seen is that the Cesium helped me to detox rapidly and kill off most of the remaining

cancer cells. I am still

very much alive and I feel well. Better than I have in years. Although I wouldn't attest to that when I

am going through an intense detox day. I have had 2 scans so far that say they cannot find any more tumor growth. There are many message boards online with people who have gone through the same thing as me, and are doing drug trials, only to have to go back for more surgery a few months later. So I am happy that I spent the time and energy to get this far. The Cesium will literally make you have a few loose bowel motions a day and you will get rid of toxins. You will need to have regular blood tests as outlined on Cancer Tutor. I opted to get them done every 3 weeks, because after a while I could tell if my potassium was low and just dealt with it. If you have a fast growing tumor, you just want to nuke it. I get that. Inhibiting angiogenesis is vital. Changing your lifestyle, in my case coffee and sugar, is crucial. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask.My prayers

are with you. I know what it is like to have to make a decision at the the fork in the road. You will make the right decision, and when you do, single-mindedly follow it with all that you are, believing that you are healed and cancer-free. Blessings, Eva.--- On Fri, 5/8/09, Nicole Gilbert <ngilbert4787 wrote:Nicole Gilbert <ngilbert4787Re: needing adviceTo:

oleander soup Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 12:54 AM

 

Thank you for your kind advice. I am leaning towards declining the chemo although I am considering continuing with the trial as it seems to be slowing things down a little without side effects. I will consider the Cesium. You said it works really fast. What exactly resulted from it? What benefits did you see?

Thank you,

-Nicole-

 

 

 

Eva Klein-Otis <eklein.otis@ >oleander soupThursday, May 7, 2009 8:26:36 PMRe: needing advice

 

 

 

 

 

Hi,I am sorry to hear you have cancer.. It is awful to be diagnosed, especially in your 30's. I am only 38 and last August I was diagnosed with a rare Liposarcoma. Have you thought about using Cesium chloride initially, as it works fast. I used it and I felt the effects pretty much immediately. A little scary to feel the pain, but reassuring as well, knowing that cancer cells are either dying or swelling and bursting. I did the Cesium chloride protocol for about 4 months and gradually incorporated everything on Tony's protocol into my daily life as I could afford it. Oleander came first of course. Like Oleander, Cesium also diminishes or eliminates most of the harmful side effects of chemo. "Luckily" for me, sarcomas like mine don't really respond to chemo or radiation, so I didn't have this choice to make. Actually, I knew I would never do chemo, as I have worked as an

RN

on a few oncology wards over the years and I have seen the results of chemo on a daily basis. My cancer simply meant it wasn't pushed on me and the doctors even apologized profusely that they couldn't offer chemo to me.Weigh up all your options, read widely and go with what your gut tells you to be correct for you. Not what someone scares you into doing. The medical profession, which I am a part of, is VERY good at this. I spent many a night poring over articles on the internet, praying for guidance on what to do. When I decided what to do, I knew it was the right decision and peace of mind came. Then I took a 6 month leave of absence from work so wouldn't have to listen to my colleagues, the naysayers who already thought they would be going to my funeral.Hope this helps a little,Blessings, Eva..On Thu, 5/7/09, ngilbert4787 <ngilbert4787@ > wrote:

ngilbert4787 <ngilbert4787@ > needing adviceoleander soupThursday, May 7, 2009, 9:55 PM

 

 

I just joined the group and haven't posted much yet. Right now I have been in the gathering information stage. But now I have an important decision to make and I am not certain what to do. I am 30 years old and i have an extremely rare and aggressive type of thyroid cancer that has spread throughout my chest and lungs and into one hip bone. I have participated in two clinical trials at Sloan Kettering Cancer Center using anti-angiogenisis drugs. I have found them exremely tolerable (barely any side effects) and they have slowed things down a bit for me, but now I am at the point where they're not really working any more. They say I can go six more weeks with the drug I'm on and see what happens or I can begin chemotherapy. They said they will have more clinical trials in the future that I can try but that these are my options right now and I need decide by tomorrow. I started Budwig last week but I have been off of it this week because I am in New

York for doctors appointments. I am still waiting for my OPC to come in the mail. It should be here any day. So I am trying to decide between chemo or continuing to take a nontoxic drug that is not working very well and introducing oleader and budwig. The next scans will be in 6 weeks and if there is more growth, chemo will be my only option. I am looking into other clinical trials in other areas, but that will take time to implement and I do not want to be in a position where I am receiving no treatment at all as this cancer is aggressive. Any advice?