Guest guest Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Hi & Tony, Need your help! My mom once again was told yesterday that she has cancer again, this is her third time, The other two times she did the cattle call mainstream approach. She is in the mindset that doctors especially oncologists are god. She is only 62. Her first breast cancer diagnosis was was 19 years ago. She then had a return two years ago and did the chemo again, surprise, surprise it has now spread to her lungs and chest. It is so awful to watch! I have gotten nearly in arguments with them over her return approach to the same things as before. The cutting, radiation, and chemo in the past, she also by their suggestion 2 years ago had her ovaries removed as a "prevention". This time they are recommending some oral chemo of some sort in addition to the usual chemo......arrrggghhh I'm freaking. I can't believe she wants to go down the same path again, my stepdad is no help. I asked her to at least take the S/OPC. She agreed amazingly.... but then they went and spoke with the doc and pharmacist and now she won't take it. I know we have all heard this scenario before....it is so tragic just standing by it is like watching an car accident in slow mo. I remember you had some data or trial results on the oleander can you pull those up or am I not remembering correctly? Thank you so much~ Tammatha - May oleander soup Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:20 PM Re: needing advice - Forgot the link I just realized I forgot to include the link for the Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol in my message: /anticancer.htm oleander soup , "ngilbert4787" <ngilbert4787 wrote:>> I just joined the group and haven't posted much yet. Right now I have been in the gathering information stage. But now I have an important decision to make and I am not certain what to do. I am 30 years old and i have an extremely rare and aggressive type of thyroid cancer that has spread throughout my chest and lungs and into one hip bone. I have participated in two clinical trials at Sloan Kettering Cancer Center using anti-angiogenisis drugs. I have found them exremely tolerable (barely any side effects) and they have slowed things down a bit for me, but now I am at the point where they're not really working any more. They say I can go six more weeks with the drug I'm on and see what happens or I can begin chemotherapy. They said they will have more clinical trials in the future that I can try but that these are my options right now and I need decide b! y tomorrow. I started Budwig last week but I have been off of it this week because I am in New York for doctors appointments. I am still waiting for my OPC to come in the mail. It should be here any day. So I am trying to decide between chemo or continuing to take a nontoxic drug that is not working very well and introducing oleader and budwig. The next scans will be in 6 weeks and if there is more growth, chemo will be my only option. I am looking into other clinical trials in other areas, but that will take time to implement and I do not want to be in a position where I am receiving no treatment at all as this cancer is aggressive. Any advice?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Tammatha, I am so very sorry to hear this. Unfortunately, yes, I have heard this scenario before, where people will put their total trust in their doctors, too often to their detriment. I so hope that she listens to you. I can just imagine what the doctor and pharmacist said about Oleander. I am sure they dismissed and convinced her that anything natural does not work. Myself, I have heard the term "snake oil" once to often. I believe the below link is the studies that you are referring to. /Newman_Studies.htm Tammatha, I hope this helps, and my prayers are with you. Hugs, oleander soup , "Tammatha" <tammatha wrote:>> Hi & Tony,> Need your help! My mom once again was told yesterday that she has cancer again, this is her third time, The other two times she did the cattle call mainstream approach. She is in the mindset that doctors especially oncologists are god. She is only 62. Her first breast cancer diagnosis was was 19 years ago. She then had a return two years ago and did the chemo again, surprise, surprise it has now spread to her lungs and chest. It is so awful to watch! I have gotten nearly in arguments with them over her return approach to the same things as before. The cutting, radiation, and chemo in the past, she also by their suggestion 2 years ago had her ovaries removed as a "prevention". This time they are recommending some oral chemo of some sort in addition to the usual chemo......arrrggghhh I'm freaking. I can't believe she wants to go down the same path again, my stepdad is no help. I asked her to at least take the S/OPC. She agreed amazingly.... but then they went and spoke with the doc and pharmacist and now she won't take it. I know we have all heard this scenario before....it is so tragic just standing by it is like watching an car accident in slow mo. I remember you had some data or trial results on the oleander can you pull those up or am I not remembering correctly?> > Thank you so much~ Tammatha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Thank you for your kind words I know it is so common, my mom is being much for stubborn than I ever imagined though. The doctor and pharmacist by the way said the oleander was toxic. Thank you for the link. I do have a question though isn't there any data that is current? Most of these are ancient, the latest report is 2003. Surely there must be some report I hope in the last six years? Thank you very much again. Tammatha - May oleander soup Saturday, May 09, 2009 6:50 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Tammatha, I am so very sorry to hear this. Unfortunately, yes, I have heard this scenario before, where people will put their total trust in their doctors, too often to their detriment. I so hope that she listens to you. I can just imagine what the doctor and pharmacist said about Oleander. I am sure they dismissed and convinced her that anything natural does not work. Myself, I have heard the term "snake oil" once to often. I believe the below link is the studies that you are referring to. /Newman_Studies.htm Tammatha, I hope this helps, and my prayers are with you. Hugs, oleander soup , "Tammatha" <tammatha wrote:>> Hi & Tony,> Need your help! My mom once again was told yesterday that she has cancer again, this is her third time, The other two times she did the cattle call mainstream approach. She is in the mindset that doctors especially oncologists are god. She is only 62. Her first breast cancer diagnosis was was 19 years ago. She then had a return two years ago and did the chemo again, surprise, surprise it has now spread to her lungs and chest. It is so awful to watch! I have gotten nearly in arguments with them over her return approach to the same things as before. The cutting, radiation, and chemo in the past, she also by their suggestion 2 years ago had her ovaries removed as a "prevention". This time they are recommending some oral chemo of some sort in addition to the usual chemo......arrrggghhh I'm freaking.! I can't believe she wants to go down the same path again, my stepdad is no help. I asked her to at least take the S/OPC. She agreed amazingly.... but then they went and spoke with the doc and pharmacist and now she won't take it. I know we have all heard this scenario before....it is so tragic just standing by it is like watching an car accident in slow mo. I remember you had some data or trial results on the oleander can you pull those up or am I not remembering correctly?> > Thank you so much~ Tammatha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Dear Tammatha. Sorry to hear the bad news about your mum, and i understand you are fricking out, especially if you can help and they dont allow you. Just be there and if they change there mind go for it. All the best Hugs Mary - Tammatha oleander soup Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:06 AM Mom has cancer yet again.... Hi & Tony, Need your help! My mom once again was told yesterday that she has cancer again, this is her third time, The other two times she did the cattle call mainstream approach. She is in the mindset that doctors especially oncologists are god. She is only 62. Her first breast cancer diagnosis was was 19 years ago. She then had a return two years ago and did the chemo again, surprise, surprise it has now spread to her lungs and chest. It is so awful to watch! I have gotten nearly in arguments with them over her return approach to the same things as before. The cutting, radiation, and chemo in the past, she also by their suggestion 2 years ago had her ovaries removed as a "prevention". This time they are recommending some oral chemo of some sort in addition to the usual chemo......arrrggghhh I'm freaking. I can't believe she wants to go down the same path again, my stepdad is no help. I asked her to at least take the S/OPC. She agreed amazingly.... but then they went and spoke with the doc and pharmacist and now she won't take it. I know we have all heard this scenario before....it is so tragic just standing by it is like watching an car accident in slow mo. I remember you had some data or trial results on the oleander can you pull those up or am I not remembering correctly? Thank you so much~ Tammatha - May oleander soup Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:20 PM Re: needing advice - Forgot the link I just realized I forgot to include the link for the Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol in my message: /anticancer.htm oleander soup , "ngilbert4787" <ngilbert4787 wrote:>> I just joined the group and haven't posted much yet. Right now I have been in the gathering information stage. But now I have an important decision to make and I am not certain what to do. I am 30 years old and i have an extremely rare and aggressive type of thyroid cancer that has spread throughout my chest and lungs and into one hip bone. I have participated in two clinical trials at Sloan Kettering Cancer Center using anti-angiogenisis drugs. I have found them exremely tolerable (barely any side effects) and they have slowed things down a bit for me, but now I am at the point where they're not really working any more. They say I can go six more weeks with the drug I'm on and see what happens or I can begin chemotherapy. They said they will have more clinical trials in the future that I can try but that these are my options right now and I need decide b! y tomorrow. I started Budwig last week but I have been off of it this week because I am in New York for doctors appointments. I am still waiting for my OPC to come in the mail. It should be here any day. So I am trying to decide between chemo or continuing to take a nontoxic drug that is not working very well and introducing oleader and budwig. The next scans will be in 6 weeks and if there is more growth, chemo will be my only option. I am looking into other clinical trials in other areas, but that will take time to implement and I do not want to be in a position where I am receiving no treatment at all as this cancer is aggressive. Any advice?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Hi Tammatha, Doctors can be very "persuasive" when it comes to disillusioning their patients from using natural methods. Maybe you can explain to your mom that although oleander is extremlely toxic in its raw state, when made into an extract it becomes a powerful healer. Maybe you can point out what it has done for you and that you have been taking it for sometime now and that you are very much alive. As for more current reports, maybe Marc or Tony can help with that. Lots of hugs, oleander soup , "Tammatha" <tammatha wrote:>> Thank you for your kind words I know it is so common, my mom is being much for stubborn than I ever imagined though. The doctor and pharmacist by the way said the oleander was toxic. > Thank you for the link. I do have a question though isn't there any data that is current? Most of these are ancient, the latest report is 2003. Surely there must be some report I hope in the last six years? > > Thank you very much again.> > Tammatha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Thank you Mary you are sweet, you are so right, it is just so hard to sit there and say nothing, hard to bite my tongue... but guess I'll have to. Most of the time by the time they change their mind it is too late. Boo hoo~ Tammatha - Maria Stathopoulos oleander soup Saturday, May 09, 2009 7:39 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Dear Tammatha. Sorry to hear the bad news about your mum, and i understand you are fricking out, especially if you can help and they dont allow you. Just be there and if they change there mind go for it. All the best Hugs Mary - Tammatha oleander soup Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:06 AM Mom has cancer yet again.... Hi & Tony, Need your help! My mom once again was told yesterday that she has cancer again, this is her third time, The other two times she did the cattle call mainstream approach. She is in the mindset that doctors especially oncologists are god. She is only 62. Her first breast cancer diagnosis was was 19 years ago. She then had a return two years ago and did the chemo again, surprise, surprise it has now spread to her lungs and chest. It is so awful to watch! I have gotten nearly in arguments with them over her return approach to the same things as before. The cutting, radiation, and chemo in the past, she also by their suggestion 2 years ago had her ovaries removed as a "prevention". This time they are recommending some oral chemo of some sort in addition to the usual chemo......arrrggghhh I'm freaking. I can't believe she wants to go down the same path again, my stepdad is no help. I asked her to at least take the S/OPC. She agreed amazingly.... but then they went and spoke with the doc and pharmacist and now she won't take it. I know we have all heard this scenario before....it is so tragic just standing by it is like watching an car accident in slow mo. I remember you had some data or trial results on the oleander can you pull those up or am I not remembering correctly? Thank you so much~ Tammatha - May oleander soup Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:20 PM Re: needing advice - Forgot the link I just realized I forgot to include the link for the Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol in my message: /anticancer.htm oleander soup , "ngilbert4787" <ngilbert4787 wrote:>> I just joined the group and haven't posted much yet. Right now I have been in the gathering information stage. But now I have an important decision to make and I am not certain what to do. I am 30 years old and i have an extremely rare and aggressive type of thyroid cancer that has spread throughout my chest and lungs and into one hip bone. I have participated in two clinical trials at Sloan Kettering Cancer Center using anti-angiogenisis drugs. I have found them exremely tolerable (barely any side effects) and they have slowed things down a bit for me, but now I am at the point where they're not really working any more. They say I can go six more weeks with the drug I'm on and see what happens or I can begin chemotherapy. They said they will have more clinical trials in the future that I can try but that these are my options right now and I need decide b! y tomorrow. I started Budwig last week but I have been off of it this week because I am in New York for doctors appointments. I am still waiting for my OPC to come in the mail. It should be here any day. So I am trying to decide between chemo or continuing to take a nontoxic drug that is not working very well and introducing oleader and budwig. The next scans will be in 6 weeks and if there is more growth, chemo will be my only option. I am looking into other clinical trials in other areas, but that will take time to implement and I do not want to be in a position where I am receiving no treatment at all as this cancer is aggressive. Any advice?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Hi , Yes I said those exact words to her that you mentioned... didn't help, this is how mainstream she is. Well thank you and hopefully there is more current data available, we certainly need it to make our case with friends and loved ones. Unfortunately we need more than just our words. Thanks Bunches~ Tammatha - May oleander soup Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:09 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Hi Tammatha, Doctors can be very "persuasive" when it comes to disillusioning their patients from using natural methods. Maybe you can explain to your mom that although oleander is extremlely toxic in its raw state, when made into an extract it becomes a powerful healer. Maybe you can point out what it has done for you and that you have been taking it for sometime now and that you are very much alive. As for more current reports, maybe Marc or Tony can help with that. Lots of hugs, oleander soup , "Tammatha" <tammatha wrote:>> Thank you for your kind words I know it is so common, my mom is being much for stubborn than I ever imagined though. The doctor and pharmacist by the way said the oleander was toxic. > Thank you for the link. I do have a question though isn't there any data that is current? Most of these are ancient, the latest report is 2003. Surely there must be some report I hope in the last six years? > > Thank you very much again.> > Tammatha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 I understand Tammatha and my prayers are with you. I know what an extremely difficult situation this is. Hugs, oleander soup , "Tammatha" <tammatha wrote:>> Hi ,> Yes I said those exact words to her that you mentioned... didn't help, this is how mainstream she is. Well thank you and hopefully there is more current data available, we certainly need it to make our case with friends and loved ones. Unfortunately we need more than just our words. > > Thanks Bunches~ Tammatha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Tammatha. I hope and pray that your mum will change her mind sooner then later, i know it must be very hard for you to just sit there and wait, when you know a remedy is waiting to be pick up and be used yesterday. Again patients may pay out, you never know i hope for the best. Hugs Mary - Tammatha oleander soup Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:33 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Thank you Mary you are sweet, you are so right, it is just so hard to sit there and say nothing, hard to bite my tongue... but guess I'll have to. Most of the time by the time they change their mind it is too late. Boo hoo~ Tammatha - Maria Stathopoulos oleander soup Saturday, May 09, 2009 7:39 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Dear Tammatha. Sorry to hear the bad news about your mum, and i understand you are fricking out, especially if you can help and they dont allow you. Just be there and if they change there mind go for it. All the best Hugs Mary - Tammatha oleander soup Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:06 AM Mom has cancer yet again.... Hi & Tony, Need your help! My mom once again was told yesterday that she has cancer again, this is her third time, The other two times she did the cattle call mainstream approach. She is in the mindset that doctors especially oncologists are god. She is only 62. Her first breast cancer diagnosis was was 19 years ago. She then had a return two years ago and did the chemo again, surprise, surprise it has now spread to her lungs and chest. It is so awful to watch! I have gotten nearly in arguments with them over her return approach to the same things as before. The cutting, radiation, and chemo in the past, she also by their suggestion 2 years ago had her ovaries removed as a "prevention". This time they are recommending some oral chemo of some sort in addition to the usual chemo......arrrggghhh I'm freaking. I can't believe she wants to go down the same path again, my stepdad is no help. I asked her to at least take the S/OPC. She agreed amazingly.... but then they went and spoke with the doc and pharmacist and now she won't take it. I know we have all heard this scenario before....it is so tragic just standing by it is like watching an car accident in slow mo. I remember you had some data or trial results on the oleander can you pull those up or am I not remembering correctly? Thank you so much~ Tammatha - May oleander soup Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:20 PM Re: needing advice - Forgot the link I just realized I forgot to include the link for the Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol in my message: /anticancer.htm oleander soup , "ngilbert4787" <ngilbert4787 wrote:>> I just joined the group and haven't posted much yet. Right now I have been in the gathering information stage. But now I have an important decision to make and I am not certain what to do. I am 30 years old and i have an extremely rare and aggressive type of thyroid cancer that has spread throughout my chest and lungs and into one hip bone. I have participated in two clinical trials at Sloan Kettering Cancer Center using anti-angiogenisis drugs. I have found them exremely tolerable (barely any side effects) and they have slowed things down a bit for me, but now I am at the point where they're not really working any more. They say I can go six more weeks with the drug I'm on and see what happens or I can begin chemotherapy. They said they will have more clinical trials in the future that I can try but that these are my options right now and I need decide b! y tomorrow. I started Budwig last week but I have been off of it this week because I am in New York for doctors appointments. I am still waiting for my OPC to come in the mail. It should be here any day. So I am trying to decide between chemo or continuing to take a nontoxic drug that is not working very well and introducing oleader and budwig. The next scans will be in 6 weeks and if there is more growth, chemo will be my only option. I am looking into other clinical trials in other areas, but that will take time to implement and I do not want to be in a position where I am receiving no treatment at all as this cancer is aggressive. Any advice?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Thank you Mary, you are a doll for sending the good vibes thank you so much sweet lady. Tammatha - Maria Stathopoulos oleander soup Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:47 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Tammatha. I hope and pray that your mum will change her mind sooner then later, i know it must be very hard for you to just sit there and wait, when you know a remedy is waiting to be pick up and be used yesterday. Again patients may pay out, you never know i hope for the best. Hugs Mary - Tammatha oleander soup Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:33 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Thank you Mary you are sweet, you are so right, it is just so hard to sit there and say nothing, hard to bite my tongue... but guess I'll have to. Most of the time by the time they change their mind it is too late. Boo hoo~ Tammatha - Maria Stathopoulos oleander soup Saturday, May 09, 2009 7:39 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Dear Tammatha. Sorry to hear the bad news about your mum, and i understand you are fricking out, especially if you can help and they dont allow you. Just be there and if they change there mind go for it. All the best Hugs Mary - Tammatha oleander soup Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:06 AM Mom has cancer yet again.... Hi & Tony, Need your help! My mom once again was told yesterday that she has cancer again, this is her third time, The other two times she did the cattle call mainstream approach. She is in the mindset that doctors especially oncologists are god. She is only 62. Her first breast cancer diagnosis was was 19 years ago. She then had a return two years ago and did the chemo again, surprise, surprise it has now spread to her lungs and chest. It is so awful to watch! I have gotten nearly in arguments with them over her return approach to the same things as before. The cutting, radiation, and chemo in the past, she also by their suggestion 2 years ago had her ovaries removed as a "prevention". This time they are recommending some oral chemo of some sort in addition to the usual chemo......arrrggghhh I'm freaking. I can't believe she wants to go down the same path again, my stepdad is no help. I asked her to at least take the S/OPC. She agreed amazingly.... but then they went and spoke with the doc and pharmacist and now she won't take it. I know we have all heard this scenario before....it is so tragic just standing by it is like watching an car accident in slow mo. I remember you had some data or trial results on the oleander can you pull those up or am I not remembering correctly? Thank you so much~ Tammatha - May oleander soup Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:20 PM Re: needing advice - Forgot the link I just realized I forgot to include the link for the Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol in my message: /anticancer.htm oleander soup , "ngilbert4787" <ngilbert4787 wrote:>> I just joined the group and haven't posted much yet. Right now I have been in the gathering information stage. But now I have an important decision to make and I am not certain what to do. I am 30 years old and i have an extremely rare and aggressive type of thyroid cancer that has spread throughout my chest and lungs and into one hip bone. I have participated in two clinical trials at Sloan Kettering Cancer Center using anti-angiogenisis drugs. I have found them exremely tolerable (barely any side effects) and they have slowed things down a bit for me, but now I am at the point where they're not really working any more. They say I can go six more weeks with the drug I'm on and see what happens or I can begin chemotherapy. They said they will have more clinical trials in the future that I can try but that these are my options right now and I need decide b! y tomorrow. I started Budwig last week but I have been off of it this week because I am in New York for doctors appointments. I am still waiting for my OPC to come in the mail. It should be here any day. So I am trying to decide between chemo or continuing to take a nontoxic drug that is not working very well and introducing oleader and budwig. The next scans will be in 6 weeks and if there is more growth, chemo will be my only option. I am looking into other clinical trials in other areas, but that will take time to implement and I do not want to be in a position where I am receiving no treatment at all as this cancer is aggressive. Any advice?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Tammatha i wish i can do more then sending good vibes. Any developments on the situation or things are the same ? Let us know girl, we are all with you and the hard work ahead. Take care Hugs Mary - Tammatha oleander soup Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:12 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Thank you Mary, you are a doll for sending the good vibes thank you so much sweet lady. Tammatha - Maria Stathopoulos oleander soup Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:47 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Tammatha. I hope and pray that your mum will change her mind sooner then later, i know it must be very hard for you to just sit there and wait, when you know a remedy is waiting to be pick up and be used yesterday. Again patients may pay out, you never know i hope for the best. Hugs Mary - Tammatha oleander soup Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:33 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Thank you Mary you are sweet, you are so right, it is just so hard to sit there and say nothing, hard to bite my tongue... but guess I'll have to. Most of the time by the time they change their mind it is too late. Boo hoo~ Tammatha - Maria Stathopoulos oleander soup Saturday, May 09, 2009 7:39 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Dear Tammatha. Sorry to hear the bad news about your mum, and i understand you are fricking out, especially if you can help and they dont allow you. Just be there and if they change there mind go for it. All the best Hugs Mary - Tammatha oleander soup Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:06 AM Mom has cancer yet again.... Hi & Tony, Need your help! My mom once again was told yesterday that she has cancer again, this is her third time, The other two times she did the cattle call mainstream approach. She is in the mindset that doctors especially oncologists are god. She is only 62. Her first breast cancer diagnosis was was 19 years ago. She then had a return two years ago and did the chemo again, surprise, surprise it has now spread to her lungs and chest. It is so awful to watch! I have gotten nearly in arguments with them over her return approach to the same things as before. The cutting, radiation, and chemo in the past, she also by their suggestion 2 years ago had her ovaries removed as a "prevention". This time they are recommending some oral chemo of some sort in addition to the usual chemo......arrrggghhh I'm freaking. I can't believe she wants to go down the same path again, my stepdad is no help. I asked her to at least take the S/OPC. She agreed amazingly.... but then they went and spoke with the doc and pharmacist and now she won't take it. I know we have all heard this scenario before....it is so tragic just standing by it is like watching an car accident in slow mo. I remember you had some data or trial results on the oleander can you pull those up or am I not remembering correctly? Thank you so much~ Tammatha - May oleander soup Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:20 PM Re: needing advice - Forgot the link I just realized I forgot to include the link for the Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol in my message: /anticancer.htm oleander soup , "ngilbert4787" <ngilbert4787 wrote:>> I just joined the group and haven't posted much yet. Right now I have been in the gathering information stage. But now I have an important decision to make and I am not certain what to do. I am 30 years old and i have an extremely rare and aggressive type of thyroid cancer that has spread throughout my chest and lungs and into one hip bone. I have participated in two clinical trials at Sloan Kettering Cancer Center using anti-angiogenisis drugs. I have found them exremely tolerable (barely any side effects) and they have slowed things down a bit for me, but now I am at the point where they're not really working any more. They say I can go six more weeks with the drug I'm on and see what happens or I can begin chemotherapy. They said they will have more clinical trials in the future that I can try but that these are my options right now and I need decide b! y tomorrow. I started Budwig last week but I have been off of it this week because I am in New York for doctors appointments. I am still waiting for my OPC to come in the mail. It should be here any day. So I am trying to decide between chemo or continuing to take a nontoxic drug that is not working very well and introducing oleader and budwig. The next scans will be in 6 weeks and if there is more growth, chemo will be my only option. I am looking into other clinical trials in other areas, but that will take time to implement and I do not want to be in a position where I am receiving no treatment at all as this cancer is aggressive. Any advice?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Thank you Mary once again. They are going to do a biopsy on the lungs in the next few days. She is very, very sad. Mothers Day was somber. Tammatha - Maria Stathopoulos oleander soup Monday, May 11, 2009 9:08 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Tammatha i wish i can do more then sending good vibes. Any developments on the situation or things are the same ? Let us know girl, we are all with you and the hard work ahead. Take care Hugs Mary - Tammatha oleander soup Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:12 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Thank you Mary, you are a doll for sending the good vibes thank you so much sweet lady. Tammatha - Maria Stathopoulos oleander soup Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:47 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Tammatha. I hope and pray that your mum will change her mind sooner then later, i know it must be very hard for you to just sit there and wait, when you know a remedy is waiting to be pick up and be used yesterday. Again patients may pay out, you never know i hope for the best. Hugs Mary - Tammatha oleander soup Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:33 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Thank you Mary you are sweet, you are so right, it is just so hard to sit there and say nothing, hard to bite my tongue... but guess I'll have to. Most of the time by the time they change their mind it is too late. Boo hoo~ Tammatha - Maria Stathopoulos oleander soup Saturday, May 09, 2009 7:39 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Dear Tammatha. Sorry to hear the bad news about your mum, and i understand you are fricking out, especially if you can help and they dont allow you. Just be there and if they change there mind go for it. All the best Hugs Mary - Tammatha oleander soup Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:06 AM Mom has cancer yet again.... Hi & Tony, Need your help! My mom once again was told yesterday that she has cancer again, this is her third time, The other two times she did the cattle call mainstream approach. She is in the mindset that doctors especially oncologists are god. She is only 62. Her first breast cancer diagnosis was was 19 years ago. She then had a return two years ago and did the chemo again, surprise, surprise it has now spread to her lungs and chest. It is so awful to watch! I have gotten nearly in arguments with them over her return approach to the same things as before. The cutting, radiation, and chemo in the past, she also by their suggestion 2 years ago had her ovaries removed as a "prevention". This time they are recommending some oral chemo of some sort in addition to the usual chemo......arrrggghhh I'm freaking. I can't believe she wants to go down the same path again, my stepdad is no help. I asked her to at least take the S/OPC. She agreed amazingly.... but then they went and spoke with the doc and pharmacist and now she won't take it. I know we have all heard this scenario before....it is so tragic just standing by it is like watching an car accident in slow mo. I remember you had some data or trial results on the oleander can you pull those up or am I not remembering correctly? Thank you so much~ Tammatha - May oleander soup Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:20 PM Re: needing advice - Forgot the link I just realized I forgot to include the link for the Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol in my message: /anticancer.htm oleander soup , "ngilbert4787" <ngilbert4787 wrote:>> I just joined the group and haven't posted much yet. Right now I have been in the gathering information stage. But now I have an important decision to make and I am not certain what to do. I am 30 years old and i have an extremely rare and aggressive type of thyroid cancer that has spread throughout my chest and lungs and into one hip bone. I have participated in two clinical trials at Sloan Kettering Cancer Center using anti-angiogenisis drugs. I have found them exremely tolerable (barely any side effects) and they have slowed things down a bit for me, but now I am at the point where they're not really working any more. They say I can go six more weeks with the drug I'm on and see what happens or I can begin chemotherapy. They said they will have more clinical trials in the future that I can try but that these are my options right now and I need decide b! y tomorrow. I started Budwig last week but I have been off of it this week because I am in New York for doctors appointments. I am still waiting for my OPC to come in the mail. It should be here any day. So I am trying to decide between chemo or continuing to take a nontoxic drug that is not working very well and introducing oleader and budwig. The next scans will be in 6 weeks and if there is more growth, chemo will be my only option. I am looking into other clinical trials in other areas, but that will take time to implement and I do not want to be in a position where I am receiving no treatment at all as this cancer is aggressive. Any advice?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Tammatha, i know the feeling, just hang in there. Hugs Mary - Tammatha oleander soup Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:29 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Thank you Mary once again. They are going to do a biopsy on the lungs in the next few days. She is very, very sad. Mothers Day was somber. Tammatha - Maria Stathopoulos oleander soup Monday, May 11, 2009 9:08 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Tammatha i wish i can do more then sending good vibes. Any developments on the situation or things are the same ? Let us know girl, we are all with you and the hard work ahead. Take care Hugs Mary - Tammatha oleander soup Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:12 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Thank you Mary, you are a doll for sending the good vibes thank you so much sweet lady. Tammatha - Maria Stathopoulos oleander soup Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:47 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Tammatha. I hope and pray that your mum will change her mind sooner then later, i know it must be very hard for you to just sit there and wait, when you know a remedy is waiting to be pick up and be used yesterday. Again patients may pay out, you never know i hope for the best. Hugs Mary - Tammatha oleander soup Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:33 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Thank you Mary you are sweet, you are so right, it is just so hard to sit there and say nothing, hard to bite my tongue... but guess I'll have to. Most of the time by the time they change their mind it is too late. Boo hoo~ Tammatha - Maria Stathopoulos oleander soup Saturday, May 09, 2009 7:39 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Dear Tammatha. Sorry to hear the bad news about your mum, and i understand you are fricking out, especially if you can help and they dont allow you. Just be there and if they change there mind go for it. All the best Hugs Mary - Tammatha oleander soup Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:06 AM Mom has cancer yet again.... Hi & Tony, Need your help! My mom once again was told yesterday that she has cancer again, this is her third time, The other two times she did the cattle call mainstream approach. She is in the mindset that doctors especially oncologists are god. She is only 62. Her first breast cancer diagnosis was was 19 years ago. She then had a return two years ago and did the chemo again, surprise, surprise it has now spread to her lungs and chest. It is so awful to watch! I have gotten nearly in arguments with them over her return approach to the same things as before. The cutting, radiation, and chemo in the past, she also by their suggestion 2 years ago had her ovaries removed as a "prevention". This time they are recommending some oral chemo of some sort in addition to the usual chemo......arrrggghhh I'm freaking. I can't believe she wants to go down the same path again, my stepdad is no help. I asked her to at least take the S/OPC. She agreed amazingly.... but then they went and spoke with the doc and pharmacist and now she won't take it. I know we have all heard this scenario before....it is so tragic just standing by it is like watching an car accident in slow mo. I remember you had some data or trial results on the oleander can you pull those up or am I not remembering correctly? Thank you so much~ Tammatha - May oleander soup Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:20 PM Re: needing advice - Forgot the link I just realized I forgot to include the link for the Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol in my message: /anticancer.htm oleander soup , "ngilbert4787" <ngilbert4787 wrote:>> I just joined the group and haven't posted much yet. Right now I have been in the gathering information stage. But now I have an important decision to make and I am not certain what to do. I am 30 years old and i have an extremely rare and aggressive type of thyroid cancer that has spread throughout my chest and lungs and into one hip bone. I have participated in two clinical trials at Sloan Kettering Cancer Center using anti-angiogenisis drugs. I have found them exremely tolerable (barely any side effects) and they have slowed things down a bit for me, but now I am at the point where they're not really working any more. They say I can go six more weeks with the drug I'm on and see what happens or I can begin chemotherapy. They said they will have more clinical trials in the future that I can try but that these are my options right now and I need decide b! y tomorrow. I started Budwig last week but I have been off of it this week because I am in New York for doctors appointments. I am still waiting for my OPC to come in the mail. It should be here any day. So I am trying to decide between chemo or continuing to take a nontoxic drug that is not working very well and introducing oleader and budwig. The next scans will be in 6 weeks and if there is more growth, chemo will be my only option. I am looking into other clinical trials in other areas, but that will take time to implement and I do not want to be in a position where I am receiving no treatment at all as this cancer is aggressive. Any advice?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Yes, we are trying XO... T - Maria Stathopoulos oleander soup Monday, May 11, 2009 9:57 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Tammatha, i know the feeling, just hang in there. Hugs Mary - Tammatha oleander soup Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:29 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Thank you Mary once again. They are going to do a biopsy on the lungs in the next few days. She is very, very sad. Mothers Day was somber. Tammatha - Maria Stathopoulos oleander soup Monday, May 11, 2009 9:08 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Tammatha i wish i can do more then sending good vibes. Any developments on the situation or things are the same ? Let us know girl, we are all with you and the hard work ahead. Take care Hugs Mary - Tammatha oleander soup Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:12 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Thank you Mary, you are a doll for sending the good vibes thank you so much sweet lady. Tammatha - Maria Stathopoulos oleander soup Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:47 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Tammatha. I hope and pray that your mum will change her mind sooner then later, i know it must be very hard for you to just sit there and wait, when you know a remedy is waiting to be pick up and be used yesterday. Again patients may pay out, you never know i hope for the best. Hugs Mary - Tammatha oleander soup Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:33 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Thank you Mary you are sweet, you are so right, it is just so hard to sit there and say nothing, hard to bite my tongue... but guess I'll have to. Most of the time by the time they change their mind it is too late. Boo hoo~ Tammatha - Maria Stathopoulos oleander soup Saturday, May 09, 2009 7:39 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Dear Tammatha. Sorry to hear the bad news about your mum, and i understand you are fricking out, especially if you can help and they dont allow you. Just be there and if they change there mind go for it. All the best Hugs Mary - Tammatha oleander soup Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:06 AM Mom has cancer yet again.... Hi & Tony, Need your help! My mom once again was told yesterday that she has cancer again, this is her third time, The other two times she did the cattle call mainstream approach. She is in the mindset that doctors especially oncologists are god. She is only 62. Her first breast cancer diagnosis was was 19 years ago. She then had a return two years ago and did the chemo again, surprise, surprise it has now spread to her lungs and chest. It is so awful to watch! I have gotten nearly in arguments with them over her return approach to the same things as before. The cutting, radiation, and chemo in the past, she also by their suggestion 2 years ago had her ovaries removed as a "prevention". This time they are recommending some oral chemo of some sort in addition to the usual chemo......arrrggghhh I'm freaking. I can't believe she wants to go down the same path again, my stepdad is no help. I asked her to at least take the S/OPC. She agreed amazingly.... but then they went and spoke with the doc and pharmacist and now she won't take it. I know we have all heard this scenario before....it is so tragic just standing by it is like watching an car accident in slow mo. I remember you had some data or trial results on the oleander can you pull those up or am I not remembering correctly? Thank you so much~ Tammatha - May oleander soup Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:20 PM Re: needing advice - Forgot the link I just realized I forgot to include the link for the Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol in my message: /anticancer.htm oleander soup , "ngilbert4787" <ngilbert4787 wrote:>> I just joined the group and haven't posted much yet. Right now I have been in the gathering information stage. But now I have an important decision to make and I am not certain what to do. I am 30 years old and i have an extremely rare and aggressive type of thyroid cancer that has spread throughout my chest and lungs and into one hip bone. I have participated in two clinical trials at Sloan Kettering Cancer Center using anti-angiogenisis drugs. I have found them exremely tolerable (barely any side effects) and they have slowed things down a bit for me, but now I am at the point where they're not really working any more. They say I can go six more weeks with the drug I'm on and see what happens or I can begin chemotherapy. They said they will have more clinical trials in the future that I can try but that these are my options right now and I need decide b! y tomorrow. I started Budwig last week but I have been off of it this week because I am in New York for doctors appointments. I am still waiting for my OPC to come in the mail. It should be here any day. So I am trying to decide between chemo or continuing to take a nontoxic drug that is not working very well and introducing oleader and budwig. The next scans will be in 6 weeks and if there is more growth, chemo will be my only option. I am looking into other clinical trials in other areas, but that will take time to implement and I do not want to be in a position where I am receiving no treatment at all as this cancer is aggressive. Any advice?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Tammatha - Perhaps if you tell your mom that two oleander extract patented medicines are currently in FDA trials and then point her to the actual studies and case histories: /Newman_Studies.htm oleander soup , "Tammatha" <tammatha wrote:>> Hi ,> Yes I said those exact words to her that you mentioned... didn't help, this is how mainstream she is. Well thank you and hopefully there is more current data available, we certainly need it to make our case with friends and loved ones. Unfortunately we need more than just our words. > > Thanks Bunches~ Tammatha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Thank you very much Tony which studies exactly from the list? Tammatha - Tony oleander soup Tuesday, May 12, 2009 7:44 AM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Tammatha - Perhaps if you tell your mom that two oleander extract patented medicines are currently in FDA trials and then point her to the actual studies and case histories: /Newman_Studies.htm oleander soup , "Tammatha" <tammatha wrote:>> Hi ,> Yes I said those exact words to her that you mentioned... didn't help, this is how mainstream she is. Well thank you and hopefully there is more current data available, we certainly need it to make our case with friends and loved ones. Unfortunately we need more than just our words. > > Thanks Bunches~ Tammatha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Tammatha, Please keep us posted on your mother's condition. And don't give up on her. Maybe after she sees the doctor she will have a different viewpoint. I am praying for you my friend. Hugs, oleander soup , "Tammatha" <tammatha wrote:>> Thank you Mary once again. They are going to do a biopsy on the lungs in the next few days. She is very, very sad. Mothers Day was somber.> > Tammatha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 I will thank you, she had a biopsy today in her lungs, they want to see if it stems from the breast cancer or it is a new cancer, whatever that means??? Tammatha - May oleander soup Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:20 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Tammatha, Please keep us posted on your mother's condition. And don't give up on her. Maybe after she sees the doctor she will have a different viewpoint. I am praying for you my friend. Hugs, oleander soup , "Tammatha" <tammatha wrote:>> Thank you Mary once again. They are going to do a biopsy on the lungs in the next few days. She is very, very sad. Mothers Day was somber.> > Tammatha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 My prayers are with you Tammatha. Don't give up talking to her about natural healing. Let's hope she has a change of heart. Did they say how long it would be before they got the results? Hugs, oleander soup , "Tammatha" <tammatha wrote:>> I will thank you, she had a biopsy today in her lungs, they want to see if it stems from the breast cancer or it is a new cancer, whatever that means???> > Tammatha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Thank you....we'll have results on Friday I think. She won't have a change of heart unfortunately about natural healing. Tammatha - May oleander soup Wednesday, May 13, 2009 8:11 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... My prayers are with you Tammatha. Don't give up talking to her about natural healing. Let's hope she has a change of heart. Did they say how long it would be before they got the results? Hugs, oleander soup , "Tammatha" <tammatha wrote:>> I will thank you, she had a biopsy today in her lungs, they want to see if it stems from the breast cancer or it is a new cancer, whatever that means???> > Tammatha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 HI Tammatha,I am sorry to hear about your mum,my mums cancer has returned too, in her lungs and also to her spinal cord, she has lost the use of her legs as a result, her doctors have more or less thrown their hands up in the air... but me and my family haven't we are not giving up... it is tough times to say the least, but no matter what doctors say you cannot give up hope.I truly hope things work out for the best for youhugsNatalie--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Tammatha <tammatha wrote:Tammatha <tammathaRe: Re: Mom has cancer yet again....To: oleander soup Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 3:03 AM I will thank you, she had a biopsy today in her lungs, they want to see if it stems from the breast cancer or it is a new cancer, whatever that means??? Tammatha - May oleander soup Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:20 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Tammatha, Please keep us posted on your mother's condition. And don't give up on her. Maybe after she sees the doctor she will have a different viewpoint. I am praying for you my friend. Hugs, oleander soup, "Tammatha" <tammatha wrote:>> Thank you Mary once again. They are going to do a biopsy on the lungs in the next few days. She is very, very sad. Mothers Day was somber.> > Tammatha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Natalie, I am so very sorry to hear about your mother. Please know that my prayers are with you both. Are you implementing Oleander and Tony's protocol and how long has she been on it? We are here for you and support you. I look forward to hearing of her progress and await good news. Hang in there. Hugs, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Ooooooooh Tammatha! I know how very hard this is for you. Please know that we are here for you. Hopefully, there will be an answer and she will be okay. Love and Hugs, oleander soup , "Tammatha" <tammatha wrote:>> Thank you....we'll have results on Friday I think. She won't have a change of heart unfortunately about natural healing. > > Tammatha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Hi Natalie, Wow what a coincidence so so sorry for you too, we are waiting to hear back about the biopsy my mom had yesterday. We'll see....thank you for your words. All the best to you are your family as well my dear. Tammatha - Natalie Cella oleander soup Thursday, May 14, 2009 5:56 AM Re: Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... HI Tammatha, I am sorry to hear about your mum, my mums cancer has returned too, in her lungs and also to her spinal cord, she has lost the use of her legs as a result, her doctors have more or less thrown their hands up in the air... but me and my family haven't we are not giving up... it is tough times to say the least, but no matter what doctors say you cannot give up hope. I truly hope things work out for the best for you hugs Natalie--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Tammatha <tammatha (AT) sonic (DOT) net> wrote: Tammatha <tammatha (AT) sonic (DOT) net>Re: Re: Mom has cancer yet again....oleander soup Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 3:03 AM I will thank you, she had a biopsy today in her lungs, they want to see if it stems from the breast cancer or it is a new cancer, whatever that means??? Tammatha - May oleander soup Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:20 PM Re: Mom has cancer yet again.... Tammatha, Please keep us posted on your mother's condition. And don't give up on her. Maybe after she sees the doctor she will have a different viewpoint. I am praying for you my friend. Hugs, oleander soup, "Tammatha" <tammatha wrote:>> Thank you Mary once again. They are going to do a biopsy on the lungs in the next few days. She is very, very sad. Mothers Day was somber.> > Tammatha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 HI ,thank you for your prayers they are very much appreciatedMum was only just released from hospital after 5 weeks, so we haven't been able to get her on the oleander, she is eating reasonably well but it is difficult for her to stomach a lot of fluids, I am trying to find somewhere I can buy the Anvirzel supplements instead but have had no luck..any suggestions?thank you :)Natalie--- On Thu, 5/14/09, May <luellamay129 wrote: May <luellamay129Re: Re: Mom has cancer yet again....oleander soup Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 2:50 PM Natalie, I am so very sorry to hear about your mother. Please know that my prayers are with you both. Are you implementing Oleander and Tony's protocol and how long has she been on it? We are here for you and support you. I look forward to hearing of her progress and await good news. Hang in there. Hugs, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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