Guest guest Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Martin, I wish you and your partner the best. Thinking out loud and outside of the box... There are many ways to administer fluids to a patient who can't 'keep down any fluids.' I strongly DO NOT recommend giving cardiac glycosides (S-OPC) through an IV. Nevertheless, " Does anyone know why S-OPC and/or other oral supplements can't be given as a retained enema? " Even with sever constipation, the colon absorbs water. So, " Can S-OPC be given as an enema, or are the glycosides and other molecules too large to pass through the digestive gut wall? " I would like to know anyone's thoughts on this... -Michael L. oleander soup , Martin Oliver <moliver70 wrote: > > My partner is in hospital at the moment, and has Stage IV cancer, although other issues include nausea and build-up of lung fluid. For the past couple of days she has been unable to keep down any fluids, which is preventing her from taking the oleander. This seems to be linked to constipation, which in turn is probably being caused by painkillers taken for her lymphadema arm. > > She is trying to get on top of the constipation, but if this fluid intake situation persists, does anyone know of any anti-cancer protocol that could work in a hospital environment and which doesn't involve any fluid intake? > > Martin > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Martin, Are they giving her an IV in the hospital to prevent dehydration? oleander soup , Martin Oliver <moliver70 wrote:>> My partner is in hospital at the moment, and has Stage IV cancer, although other issues include nausea and build-up of lung fluid. For the past couple of days she has been unable to keep down any fluids, which is preventing her from taking the oleander. This seems to be linked to constipation, which in turn is probably being caused by painkillers taken for her lymphadema arm.> > She is trying to get on top of the constipation, but if this fluid intake situation persists, does anyone know of any anti-cancer protocol that could work in a hospital environment and which doesn't involve any fluid intake?> > Martin> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129 wrote: Hi , Yes, she's on an IV. Martin > > Martin, > > Are they giving her an IV in the hospital to prevent dehydration? > > > > > oleander soup , Martin Oliver <moliver70@> > wrote: > > > > My partner is in hospital at the moment, and has Stage IV cancer, > although other issues include nausea and build-up of lung fluid. For the > past couple of days she has been unable to keep down any fluids, which > is preventing her from taking the oleander. This seems to be linked to > constipation, which in turn is probably being caused by painkillers > taken for her lymphadema arm. > > > > She is trying to get on top of the constipation, but if this fluid > intake situation persists, does anyone know of any anti-cancer protocol > that could work in a hospital environment and which doesn't involve any > fluid intake? > > > > Martin > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Unyquity here (a LONG time lurker - I have my own forum on CZ) When I saw this, I just had to post! Firstly, salt feeds cancer - saline IVs for hydration, do more than hydrate the body. YES, you can fully hydrate, nourish and medicate the body rectally. Here's a report (post/thread) on a 54 y/o woman that has an 8mm aggressive sarcoma mass under and invading the area between the duodenum & jejunum (totally blocking her fluid/food intake). She opted NOT to have the extensive surgery (they wanted to carve out 1/2 her stomach and several feet of intestines), and go home and cure it naturally. She's now been fully hydrated at home for two weeks....and her mass has shrunk by almost half. Here's yesterdays update: http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1416055#i Of course, it helps that the " medication " she takes (anti-cancer tinctures) are alcohol based - they absorb MUCH quicker into the blood stream than would powder mixed with water. Of course (you well know) she NEEDS to get her bowel moving. A fantastic " band aid " in this situation is coffee enemas (as not only do they cleanse the liver and cleanse the bloodstream of free radicals while retained by activating/enhancing the glutathione S-transferase system), they also induce intestinal peristalsis: http://curezone.com/blogs/fm.asp?i=1353890#i AND, coffee enemas are VERY effective for pain (that's how they were discovered!) To ensure daily bowel activity, Dr. Schulzes Intestinal Formula #1 capsules are fantastic (available on his website, at Health Freedom Resources or through my Herbal Apothecary on the form link above)...once she's able to take something by mouth. Also, you might consider Slippery Elm Porridge. This is a " specific " for people who can't hold down fluids or food - it's HIGHLY nutritional, demulcent (soothing), mucilaginous...and also an 'anti cancer' herb (it's one of the herbs in Essiac). Slippery Elm contains: calcium, magnesium, copper, zinc, iodine, sodium, selenium and some potassium. It also contains phosphorus and vitamins A, B, C, D, E, F, K, and P Here's how you make the porridge (but I suggest using apple juice or other fruit juice instead of water - it's MUCH tastier that way!): http://healingtools.tripod.com/slpelmgrl.html You can get that (powdered) at Mountain Rose herbs (I have it too...'wouldn't be without it). Since I'm not familiar with oleander, I can't make any type of reasonable guess what percentage might be assimilated rectally...but it would definitely be more than she's getting now). Rectal hydration is known as proctoclysis, and one doesn't have to do a " high " enema to accomplish it. Do a search on " Murphy's Drip " (Dr. Murphy first discovered hydrating rectally in the late 1900's, if I remember correctly). >>>>does anyone know of any anti-cancer protocol that could work in a hospital environment and which doesn't involve any fluid intake?<<<< I guess I'm what is known as a hard-core radical when it comes to hospitals & medical treatments - some people might say " dangerous " . But since allopathic medicine admits to being the 3rd leading cause of death in the US (stats from the JAMA 7/26/200) and that has worsened substantially in the past 9 years...I consider that MORE dangerous than me! lol Shat I would suggest is that you get your 'ducks in a row' as far as supplies you need to do the rectal feeding & hydration and take her HOME to healing environment (if at all possible). While I understand not everyone's level of knowledge is 'comfortable' with that suggestion, it comes from a truly caring heart (and an extremely confident one). Whatever you decide for the future, I hope this information has somehow helped you along your healing pathways. Blessings, Unyquity oleander soup , " re_mlind " <mlind wrote: > > Martin, I wish you and your partner the best. > > Thinking out loud and outside of the box... There are many ways to administer fluids to a patient who can't 'keep down any fluids.' I strongly DO NOT recommend giving cardiac glycosides (S-OPC) through an IV. Nevertheless, " Does anyone know why S-OPC and/or other oral supplements can't be given as a retained enema? " Even with sever constipation, the colon absorbs water. So, " Can S-OPC be given as an enema, or are the glycosides and other molecules too large to pass through the digestive gut wall? " > > I would like to know anyone's thoughts on this... > > -Michael L. > > > oleander soup , Martin Oliver <moliver70@> wrote: > > > > My partner is in hospital at the moment, and has Stage IV cancer, although other issues include nausea and build-up of lung fluid. For the past couple of days she has been unable to keep down any fluids, which is preventing her from taking the oleander. This seems to be linked to constipation, which in turn is probably being caused by painkillers taken for her lymphadema arm. > > > > She is trying to get on top of the constipation, but if this fluid intake situation persists, does anyone know of any anti-cancer protocol that could work in a hospital environment and which doesn't involve any fluid intake? > > > > Martin > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Thank you for this Unyquity. I had a large 6lb Liposarcoma removed last September because it had moved my left kidney across the midline over and above my right kidney and it was beginning to obstruct the flow of urine.There is so little out there about Sarcomas, and it is tuly a blessing to hear such an awesome testimonial. I have tears as I write...God is awesome and He truly has given us all we need in nature to heal!!I will incorporate some of the things Donnarose does into my long-term strategy for keeping any further cancer out of of my system.Thanks for sharing,Blessings, Eva.--- On Tue, 5/12/09, unyquity <yrrocks wrote:unyquity <yrrocksSubject: Re: Unable to take liquidsoleander soup Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 1:55 PM Unyquity here (a LONG time lurker - I have my own forum on CZ) When I saw this, I just had to post! Firstly, salt feeds cancer - saline IVs for hydration, do more than hydrate the body. YES, you can fully hydrate, nourish and medicate the body rectally. Here's a report (post/thread) on a 54 y/o woman that has an 8mm aggressive sarcoma mass under and invading the area between the duodenum & jejunum (totally blocking her fluid/food intake). She opted NOT to have the extensive surgery (they wanted to carve out 1/2 her stomach and several feet of intestines), and go home and cure it naturally. She's now been fully hydrated at home for two weeks....and her mass has shrunk by almost half. Here's yesterdays update: http://curezone. com/forums/ fm.asp?i= 1416055#i Of course, it helps that the "medication" she takes (anti-cancer tinctures) are alcohol based - they absorb MUCH quicker into the blood stream than would powder mixed with water. Of course (you well know) she NEEDS to get her bowel moving. A fantastic "band aid" in this situation is coffee enemas (as not only do they cleanse the liver and cleanse the bloodstream of free radicals while retained by activating/enhancin g the glutathione S-transferase system), they also induce intestinal peristalsis: http://curezone. com/blogs/ fm.asp?i= 1353890#i AND, coffee enemas are VERY effective for pain (that's how they were discovered!) To ensure daily bowel activity, Dr. Schulzes Intestinal Formula #1 capsules are fantastic (available on his website, at Health Freedom Resources or through my Herbal Apothecary on the form link above)...once she's able to take something by mouth. Also, you might consider Slippery Elm Porridge. This is a "specific" for people who can't hold down fluids or food - it's HIGHLY nutritional, demulcent (soothing), mucilaginous. ...and also an 'anti cancer' herb (it's one of the herbs in Essiac). Slippery Elm contains: calcium, magnesium, copper, zinc, iodine, sodium, selenium and some potassium. It also contains phosphorus and vitamins A, B, C, D, E, F, K, and P Here's how you make the porridge (but I suggest using apple juice or other fruit juice instead of water - it's MUCH tastier that way!): http://healingtools .tripod.com/ slpelmgrl. html You can get that (powdered) at Mountain Rose herbs (I have it too...'wouldn' t be without it). Since I'm not familiar with oleander, I can't make any type of reasonable guess what percentage might be assimilated rectally...but it would definitely be more than she's getting now). Rectal hydration is known as proctoclysis, and one doesn't have to do a "high" enema to accomplish it. Do a search on "Murphy's Drip" (Dr. Murphy first discovered hydrating rectally in the late 1900's, if I remember correctly). >>>>does anyone know of any anti-cancer protocol that could work in a hospital environment and which doesn't involve any fluid intake?<<<< I guess I'm what is known as a hard-core radical when it comes to hospitals & medical treatments - some people might say "dangerous". But since allopathic medicine admits to being the 3rd leading cause of death in the US (stats from the JAMA 7/26/200) and that has worsened substantially in the past 9 years...I consider that MORE dangerous than me! lol Shat I would suggest is that you get your 'ducks in a row' as far as supplies you need to do the rectal feeding & hydration and take her HOME to healing environment (if at all possible). While I understand not everyone's level of knowledge is 'comfortable' with that suggestion, it comes from a truly caring heart (and an extremely confident one). Whatever you decide for the future, I hope this information has somehow helped you along your healing pathways. Blessings, Unyquity oleander soup, "re_mlind" <mlind wrote: > > Martin, I wish you and your partner the best. > > Thinking out loud and outside of the box... There are many ways to administer fluids to a patient who can't 'keep down any fluids.' I strongly DO NOT recommend giving cardiac glycosides (S-OPC) through an IV. Nevertheless, "Does anyone know why S-OPC and/or other oral supplements can't be given as a retained enema?" Even with sever constipation, the colon absorbs water. So, "Can S-OPC be given as an enema, or are the glycosides and other molecules too large to pass through the digestive gut wall?" > > I would like to know anyone's thoughts on this... > > -Michael L. > > > oleander soup, Martin Oliver <moliver70@> wrote: > > > > My partner is in hospital at the moment, and has Stage IV cancer, although other issues include nausea and build-up of lung fluid. For the past couple of days she has been unable to keep down any fluids, which is preventing her from taking the oleander. This seems to be linked to constipation, which in turn is probably being caused by painkillers taken for her lymphadema arm. > > > > She is trying to get on top of the constipation, but if this fluid intake situation persists, does anyone know of any anti-cancer protocol that could work in a hospital environment and which doesn't involve any fluid intake? > > > > Martin > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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