Guest guest Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Victoria's posting brings up many interesting points that might be of value to discuss as others here have similar experiences. I have written a long letter here dealing with yin fire disorders and of course this will not be of interest to everyone. Hopefully it will give encouragement to many – this disease is curable. The category of diseases that have developed as common conditions in the modern world that we call names such as CFS – FM – Candida infection – generalized stress disorder – syndrome X – Epstein Barr infection – etc – are actually the same disease – but as we can see the symptom picture might be radically different for different people. Even with each syndrome each patient might have radically different experiences of their disease. Also at different stages of the disease the symptom picture might change radically. This disease can begin innocently and ordinarily and end up as a horribly debilitating disorder that spoils the life of millions. This often causes confusion in peoples minds – many have the opinion that their disease is unlike others and has it's own personal quality that sets them apart. This is true but there are points of similarity in all of the cases – this is why it is clear that these different symptom pictures actually represent the same general disease patterns in individual ways. Since this is a common disease and one that has been described hundreds of years ago by great physicians with a full understanding of the therapeutic protocols that are necessary to correct it – it is useful to try to understand the issues involved. This disease has always been common in society but has become endemic in certain modern populations.. One important point to keep in mind is that this disease occurs in each individual in steps and phases. The symptom picture at one time in life might be very different a year or ten years later. Also of course this disease has its cycles – certain symptoms might be very important at one time and not so at another – while at the same time perhaps another set of symptoms have taken over as the dominant ones. Because of this many people diagnose their disease differently at different times – physicians might do the same thing. But if we pay attention we will begin to see the underlying themes – there is actually great consistency within each individual as well as within the general category of these diseases. ****** Victoria wrote = In my case (don't know about others) the lower my body temperature was, the sicker I was. The two happened together. I'm purposely avoiding language that one caused the other because I don't know that there is a cause-effect influence of one on the other. I just know they happened at the same time.**** Of course the lower our body temperature the worse the symptoms. Human body is meant to function at a very narrow range of temperature and any variation in this indicates that something has gone wrong with the temperature regulating functions of the body. The temperature of healthy people does not vary very much. And there is good reason for this. When the temperature falls below 98.2 over forty of the most important enzymes responsible for energy production either stop functioning or they slow down in their efficiency. This radically slows down cellular functions. Every metabolic function slows down. As the temperature continues to fall even more functions slow until at very low temps – say below 97 the cells are not using energy well at all and the area surrounding the cell becomes clogged with phlegm and other poorly metabolized substances and toxins. All of these cases have phlegm as a major complication. Phlegm is cold, damp, viscous, and sluggish. Many symptoms in these cases are caused by phlegm. Since phlegm is a symptom itself and not the original `cause' there is no question of which of the phlegm symptoms are the cause. I have seen dozens of people with temperatures below 97.5 who are in serious levels of malfunction with countless ever- changing symptoms. Those with temps below 96.5 are in serious distress. We must remember that when the temps are low we have SLUGGISH metabolism – the lower the temps the more sluggish our metabolism is. This sluggish metabolism (whatever the degree of intensity) makes the maintenance of ordinary life more and more difficult. Until we have the case of certain CFS patients who live their lives isolated in their homes or even in their beds – they simply can not deal with the ordinary challenges of life. ****Victoria wrote = When I was very sick, I was getting readings in the 96 F range. I also came to dread pains in my left side because that too signaled that I was getting sicker. My making that comment to my doctor was what caused her to order a monospot test. It came back " exposure within the past 6 months. " It continued to show that result for the next two years. The Epstein Barr titer test revealed the pattern for chronic mononucleosis. (The mono test that reveals " exposure within the past 6 months " is more instructive than the ones that give a straight " positive " or " negative " .)***** People with these disorders inevitably have many infectious processes – these infections of course have their own symptoms – but they are not the cause of the disease they are also symptoms of the sluggish metabolism. Without going deeply into the issue – when metabolism slows – everything slows – including immune functions – combine this with phlegm and this opens the body to potential invasions of many types. When the defensive mechanisms break down we are vulnerable. Many symptoms come from these infections and inflammations. Look at the many symptoms commonly seen in these cases – Epstein Barr, disbiosis, leaky gut, Candida infections (local and generalized), eye-ear-nose infections, leucorrhoea, easy to contract epidemic diseases such as influenza, etc. etc. Another category of patients have inflammations, hyperplasias, and cellular stresses throughout the body. Many people will say oh I do not have that disease – I do not have Epstein Barr – or another will say – I do not have that disease because I do not have Candida infections. The form of the infections is not the important part – the important thing is having chronic infections. And chronic phlegm! None of these are the cause of the basic disease they are symptoms of the general metabolic malfunctions which have left us vulnerable to pathological invasions of various types. ***Victoria wrote = Back when this was happening, I didn't know anything about TCM. What helped was a lot of rest and some very high dosages of vitamins and minerals. Digestive enzymes also helped a lot. I also meditated and used visualization. Echinacea helped. It took a couple of years, but I did improve to the point where I felt considerably better. After this point was reached, the monospot tests started coming back negative.**** If one searches in the Internet under any of these disease categories one will find hundreds (maybe thousands) of palliative measures for dealing with symptoms. Perhaps nutrients might help – or hormones – or enzymes – meditation – medicinal herbs – accupuncture - antibiotics - antidepressants – massage – body therapy – falling in love – better diet – exercise – it is endless!!! None of these techniques will cure this disease. These techniques are palliative – not curative. This does not mean we should not treat the hundreds of symptoms that might arise but we should not expect to cure this disease by palliative measures. Since each and every symptom causes its own set of stresses these symptoms should be treated. ***Victoria wrote = I improved as much as I could with the supplements. I took another big step up when I saw a TCM herbalist. I was hoping for just some slight improvement. I got a whole lot more, and it started showing up in 3 weeks. I'm not cured, but the more I learn and the longer I stay on TCM treatment, the more I improve. Every time I slack off treatment, I start to have problems. And treatment needs change over time.***** One of the great achievements of TCM is that it treats symptom patterns and the whole person and not diseases. This means that even a moderately talented practitioner might be able to treat some of the basic disease patterns that underlay the acute symptoms. In other words when the doctor treats the patient as a whole – as much more than just the acute symptoms – they might be able to at least deal with some of the basic issues. Unfortunately few practitioners are able to fully resolve this issue as they do not understand the true nature of cold/dampness disease with heat symptoms. This is what is meant by cold damage with heat symptoms. The patient is suffering from severe cold and deficiencies yet also full of heat symptoms from the infections and inflammations. If a practitioner only treats the acute symptoms of course there will be no lasting benefit. One might resolve one issue only to have another (or several other) problem pop up somewhere else. ***Victoria wrote = I came down with CFIDS in the early 1970s 6 months after gall bladder surgery. (It's now known that histamine-releasing anesthesias can trigger CFIDS in susceptible individuals. The CFIDS Association of America has a list of which anesthesias are safer and which are apt to trigger problems in people at risk for developing CFIDS or who already have it.) Back then it didn't have a name. That was still 10 years in the future. I lucked up in that I had an old country doctor who even though he didn't know what I had used his training and his powers of analysis to figure out things that would help. Some of what he tried me on and which helped (like the B12 injections) are recognized today as helping many people with CFIDS.** Although Victoria emphasizes histamines and anesthetics and no doubt these things might be important - but -the things that caught my attention was the underlying gallbladder problem and the stress of surgery. It is true that many stressors even minor ones might trigger full fledged CFS but the fact remains that these stressors only break one down if our stress reactions are already weakened. Major stressors like surgery and acute disease often trigger major stress states that end up as exhaustion – CFS is a type of exhaustion. This is why for CFS patients recovery becomes more and more difficult – their reserves have been depleted. Ordinary stressors that millions deal with daily become debilitating for those with inadequate metabolism for dealing with them. Since in TCM the imbalance between the earth and wood functions is considered to be a primary pattern in this disease – gallbladder/liver disease will probably be important in the development of this disorder for many people. ***Victoria wrote = I am one of a subset of PWCs (People With CFIDS) who does have a history of recurring bouts of mononucleosis. (I suspect that there may be more but doctors haven't thought to check for it. Part of the reason is because at least as late as the late 1980s it was widely believed that children didn't get mono, once you had it you never got it again, and people over a certain age didn't get it. The reason I got diagnosed as often as I did probably was because for a large part of my life I have either been in school or using military medicine. The two environments where doctors see a lot of cases of mono and where monospot tests are ordered more routinely than in other settings.*** Mononucleosis is not the cause of this syndrome it is a cofactor. These infectious diseases only occur in those who are already predisposed to them by weakened metabolism and the weakened immunity that goes with it. It is similar to the many infections that an HIV patient might get. Those infectious processes are everywhere at all times but only an immune compromised person contracts them. In the case of hypometabolism they are susceptible to certain subsets of disease – these similarities can be seen by the recurring patterns that appear in hypometabolic patients. Only certain people develop mono – and once they develop it then the mono becomes an even further stress. Stress breeds stress which breeds more stress. ****Victoria wrote = I have a history of on-again, off-again thyroid problems. Hypothyroidism in every case except one time when I was hyperthyroid. Here's another interesting correlation. Every time that I have had mono or a mono-like illiness in my life, I have also had thyroid problems. I'm not talking about just the symptoms of hypothyroidism but verifiable lab tests that thyroid function was low. Thyroid supplementation helped many of the symptoms, but still left a lot to be desired. TCM helped what thyroid supplementation couldn't.***** Actually this disease probably has multiple hormonal involvements. Thyroid is often blamed because it is thyroid gland which is responsible for releasing the hormones that regulate metabolism and heat production. But as an Endocrinologist I find many hormonal issues here. Example there is almost always a cortisol involvement. This is easy to understand as cortisol is the stress hormone and these patients have constant unrelenting stress reactions from both endogenous and exogenous causes. In advanced cases the hormonal imbalances become very complicated. There has been much study on the pituitary imbalances of this disease – this inevitably becomes more important as the patient ages. Most people with this level of hypometabolism do not age well. One important point about Victoria's comments above is that this is easy to understand – many people with this disease have multiple autoimmune disorders and allergies (many TCM thinkers refer to this whole category of disease as being related to allergies). The most common thyroid disorder seen in these cases is Hashimoto's Thyroiditis – as I mentioned before every cell and organ is susceptible to inflammations and infections. One has seen innumerable autoimmune issues in these cold/heat cases. As I mentioned in another post a common symptom is Wilson's Syndrome which is a type of autoimmune issue at the T3 receptor sites – this is not a Thyroid disease it is a natural cellular response to the problem of excess Thyroid in the face of less need. This is exactly the same thing that happens in Insulin resistance – the reason why the Insulin receptor sites have shut down is because of the fact of more sugar being present than the cells need therefore the receptor sites shut down to protect the cells from both the excess sugar and the excess Insulin which has been released to deal with this excess sugar. It is reasonable to assume that when we are in the acute phase of our infectious diseases that all of our infectious and inflammatory processes will be stimulated at the same time. These acute cycles relate to stress – when under stress the body becomes less able to deal with the problems so they might get worse (all at the same time) – this is often when the doctor sees the case during these acute phases. Many western doctors give antibiotics and antiinflamatories at this stage of the disease – this only makes things worse in the long run. In advanced cases these inflammations and infections might be more or less constant – one never recovers from them – this obviously will eventually exhaust stress and immune functions. Often when these patients come to the physician they have so many symptoms they feel frustrated because the physician does not even listen to all of them – the physician does not have time to hear all of the many symptoms – but most doctors are only going to try to deal with the obvious treatable symptoms. Because a large percentage of patients do not show clear problems through standard testing – many physicians see this as a mental disorder and prescribe anti- anxiety and or anti-depressant medications. ***Victoria wrote = Over the years I repeatedly have noticed another pattern. Often after I start to improve (and am more active), I reach a crisis point. I start to have more problems with allergies and allergy- like reactions, and I start a downward spiral again. What has stopped this every time has been the combination of thyroid supplementation and prednisone. After so many times I discovered that lower than normal dosages of both for a very short period of time is enough to reverse the downward spiral. A few years ago I read about some doctors starting to consider this combination in treating some CFIDS patients, so evidently I'm not the only person to have noticed this over the years.*** It is very common for one to have periods when the symptoms seem to be improving - but it seems we come up against a wall and start declining again. This has two main causes one is - recovery begins but can not be maintained because of inadequate reserves - so when the reserves are used up we begin falling backward. This is yin deffeciency - if we had adequate yin reserves then the Qi and yang could be developed but since we do not when the yin reserves are delpeted again we relapse. One type of example is if one started a qi or yang building program it might work beautifully for awhile but once the yin reserves have reached their limit then the yang substances become stressful and we fall backwards. Another little understood issue is that for some their disease has become their identity - they do not ever really try to recover - I have seen many people start the process of recovery then drop it and go on to something else - they want recovery but they do not want to change.Many people find it advantageous to be the victim and many of the parameters of their lives are formed around their disease - including relationships. These patients have strong counter pressures against recovery. Accupuncture can help with this and also psychotherapy. I think every one of these cases should have a full hormonal workup – of course this is the prejudice of an Endocrinologist. As I mentioned there are inevitably multiple hormonal issues involved. In the beginning it might be necessary to supplement hormonal functioning so as to relieve the overwhelming stress. In each case there will be different needs. Remember that hormones have a yin/yang nature – the various hormones perform either anabolic or catabolic functions. Because this disorder has both hot and cold symptoms – it might be necessary to increases both anabolic and catabolic functions. Frequently one needs Thyroid support and or Cortisol support. A very common issue in both men and women is low Testosterone – because in hypometabolism the muscles need less Testosterone and less IGF-1 – so the production of these hormones is decreased. Often DHEA and Pregnenolone supplementation is helpful. May I suggest that instead of using Prednisone that one should use Progesterone creams. I am 100% against using any synthetic hormones whatsoever for any purposes whatsoever. Actually the effects of the combination of Thyroid and Prednisone that Victoria mentions here is best achieved with a herbal combination that includes Ginseng, Astragulus, and Angelica. Many women with this disorder will need extra support during menses and menopause. Just as men with declining steroid hormone production will need support during stress to avoid being overwhelmed. But hormones do not solve this problem they act as support and hopefully temporary support as one should avoid life time dependence on hormonal support if it can be avoided. I think lifetime hormonal support is only necessary in very severe long term cases – and genetic problems – and inability to comply with other therapies. One point to think about that I see here in Victoria's post is if one is under stress or if one senses the beginning of the symptoms coming on then as full a support to the body as possible should be instituted so as to avoid the cascading symptom picture that will knock the patient down. Many of the secondary symptoms can be aborted if caught soon enough - A full fledged stress reaction may be difficult for the patient to cope with. Herbs and acupuncture are very helpful there. ****From a TCM standpoint I have a lot of problems with cold and with wind. Though I'm greatly improved from what I was, I still am vulnerable to cold and wind in the environment. I do worse in winter than in summer. As temperatures rise, so does my energy. (At least until it gets too hot in the summer.) As temperatures rise, muscles also get more flexible. (For readers new to TCM, the concept of Wind includes not only the wind but changes in barometric pressure and changes in ion concentrations.)***** Everyone with this disease has cold/wind/dampness/phlegm/heat issues. Hypometabolism is a cold condition. By definition it has to do with yin and yang deficiency. This appears as many patterns such as kidney yin deficiency – yang vacuity – spleen vacuity – inhibited Qi mechanism – upward counterflow – evil heat (including damp heat/depressive heat/vacuity heat). Naturally in cold disorder the symptoms will be worse in cold climate – also such patients should avoid all cold substances like cold food and drinks. Icy foods will freeze digestive function – one of the worse things we can do at any time but especially if we have low temperature. Such people do not deal well with change therefore the symptoms are often worse in cold climate or hot climate. Of course hypometabolic people are already cold so they should avoid getting colder. SAD is related to this syndrome as an example. Some people are addicted to warm therapies some of which might not be helpful – such as hot or steam baths – this can make more weakness as it even further weakens the surface ability to regulate temperature – and most importantly it wastes Jing fluids which is very harmful to these patients. Hot is not helpful – warm is the key word – increase the internal and external heat in the winter. Astragulus is useful in these cases because it warms the body as well as strengthening the upright Qi. Sometimes large doses will be necessary – much more than is available in herbal combination patent medicines. During changing seasons the symptoms flare. While traveling the symptoms will often flare. For those who understand the issues in this disease it is often 100% curable – at the least important parameters can be improved. If one is young and strong the prognosis is very good in those patients who are able to be compliant to the protocols. Many of the leaders in the health movement are recovered CFS and FM patients. There are many approaches to treatment but I find that a very important issue is the fact that many of these patients have confused ideas about what is happening to them – therefore they can not commit to any particular therapy. My experience is that there are many problems involved – many patients have tried many protocols (mostly palliative) and the symptoms either were not benefited or they returned later. Since many patients have defined their disease in different ways at different times they do not believe it is diagnosable or curable. For many of these patients their disease becomes something they have to learn to deal with – and in fact many people have become very skilled at `dealing' with this disease. Yet this is only psychological adjustment to the mounting symptoms. For professionals - think about these concepts from Master Li – For yin fire diseases that include symptoms of damp or yin with pathological symptoms with heat then the therapeutic principles should be - Fortify the spleen Boost the Qi Harmonize the liver/spleen (this is essential) Harmonize the stomach and the intestines Clear heat (wherever it arises) According to need – quicken the blood/transform the phlegm/eliminate dampness/moisten dry. Master Li described yin fire first in his classic work `Treatise on the Spleen and Stomach'. Other concepts that I think help to explain this disease are – Left/right disharmony Disharmony between above and below From one perspective this is an Autonomic Nervous System disease the overstimulation and overreactivity of the SNS and the inability of the PSN to calm and recover us can be a basic symbol of this disorder. Constant SNS over reactivity is a symptom and a cause of adrenal exhaustion Disharmony between wood and earth functions Excessive lifestyle choices Generalized stress disorder Exhaustion of stabilizing functions Brain chemistry exhaustion (perhaps all major brain chemicals will be diminished – I find GABA to be very important here as it is the chemical responsible for keeping the other chemicals in balance – by definition there will be Dopamine problems – but this might be difficult to approach as in the case of yin deficiency one often can not give yang substances {my answer to this is to give Six Flavors Rehmannia Pills to support the yin so that the body can accept more yang – asparagus root and other yin substances might also help}. This disease has deficiencies in all three treasures – Yin and yang Jing – Qi – Shen. Treating the Shen is very helpful to calm the many types of anxiety – Dragon Bone is helpful - one of the most useful medicines for theses problems and the many compulsions these patients suffer under is Polygala – one has seen many very severe and long lasting compulsive behavior patterns broken by this herb – one good formula is the one sold by Ron Teeguarden called `Will Power'. Sleep is essential for all under stress – so all sleep disorders should be trteated. The absolutely best medicine for this disorder is Minor Buplereum Decoction as it harmonizes the spleen/liver – but of course it alone will not cure this disease but it is immensely helpful. Central Qi Pills are also helpful for many cases it does the same.. If the case has too many severe contradictory symptoms one approach is the Superior tonic herb approach meaning give tonic herbs to start - with very carefully selected medicinals to resolve the acute symptoms. Because many of these patients are `universal reactors' and can not accept anything new – we must go slowly. Tonic herbs that include all three treasures can slowly build enough yang and qi energy to allow the patient to start taking more powerful medicines. Give jing herbs that contain both yin and yang. If tonic herbs are disturbing then emphasize the yin building herbs with less amounts of yang. As stability is achieved slowly add yang while keeping full yin support at every step of the process. Remember Six Flavors Tea when the body can not accept yang substances. In the most severe cases work very slowly and cautiously on the shen, yin and blood. Later more aggressive Qi building substances can be used. Read Bob Flaws on the relationship of CFS to malaria – both are cyclical diseases that have alternating cold and heat symptoms. Very interesting concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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