Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Domingo's link to Dr. Mercola's site - was very interesting - there were many informative points made but in my mind the one that is most relative is the one concerning altered proteins. Many think the issue of altered proteins is not important - nothing could be further from the truth - in Ayurveda there is an ancient concept that AMA (phlegm - undigested proteins) is a major contributing factor in many disease processes - cancer, arthritis, sclerosis, Alzheimers, autoimmune disease, etc.- these glycated unuseable substances get deposited in critical places throughout the body and are VERY!!! difficult to remove once deposited - wherever they lodge they interfere with all processes of absorption, metabolism, and elimination - this causes deep blockages and stagnations at the sites - if the autoimmunity is severe enough it will cause scarring and this leads to many defeceincy states - metabolism is poor at the local site and therefore the cells are not properly nourished - another consequence of this is the accumulation of acid toxins - which cause chronic inflamatory and even infectious processes - this is a contributing factor in most sclerotic pathologies like sclerosis of the blood vessels, liver tissue, brain tissue, etc.. We should avoid 'glycation' processes at all cost by making sure the protiens we eat are digestable - so as to make sure none of these undigested proteins get absorbed into the blood stream - also proteins are altered in a highy acidic condition - so care must be taken to eat plenty of alkaline substances from fruits and vegetables - but this is an even bigger subject than microwave damage. Phlegm is a substance that needs to be understood - what is it (it actually can be a very complex substance-one problem with it is that it will itself acculmulate toxins - and therefore can be an extremely toxic substance) - what causes it - what problems does it cause - how to solve the problems are important studies. Here is the quote from the Mercola article. >>>Dr. Lita Lee of Hawaii reported in the December 9, 1989 Lancet: " Microwaving baby formulas converted certain trans-amino acids into their synthetic cis-isomers. Synthetic isomers, whether cis-amino acids or trans-fatty acids, are not biologically active. Further, one of the amino acids, L-proline, was converted to its d- isomer, which is known to be neurotoxic (poisonous to the nervous system) and nephrotoxic (poisonous to the kidneys). It's bad enough that many babies are not nursed, but now they are given fake milk (baby formula) made even more toxic via microwaving. " Microwaved blood kills patient In 1991, there was a lawsuit in Oklahoma concerning the hospital use of a microwave oven to warm blood needed in a transfusion. The case involved a hip surgery patient, Norma Levitt, who died from a simple blood transfusion. It seems the nurse had warmed the blood in a microwave oven. This tragedy makes it very apparent that there's much more to " heating " with microwaves than we've been led to believe. Blood for transfusions is routinely warmed, but not in microwave ovens. In the case of Mrs. Levitt, the microwaving altered the blood and it killed her. It's very obvious that this form of microwave radiation " heating " does something to the substances it heats. It's also becoming quite apparent that people who process food in a microwave oven are also ingesting these " unknowns " . Because the body is electrochemical in nature, any force that disrupts or changes human electrochemical events will affect the physiology of the body. This is further described in Robert O. Becker's book, The Body Electric, and in Ellen Sugarman's book, Warning, the Electricity Around You May Be Hazardous to Your Health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Vinod wrote: " also proteins are altered in a highly acidic condition - so care must be taken to eat plenty of alkaline substances from fruits and vegetables " Vinod, would you rethink/clarify this statement and or elaborate on its meaning... the whole point of digestion is to alter - break down - protein into its basic constituents ( amino acids)... to that effect, the stomach secretes, very powerful Hydrochloric Acid (HCL)... I don't think that you are advocating that we should interfere with that process by ingesting alkaline substances to neutralize HCL!!!!!??? I think the real problem with all forms of interactions with our environment (eating, breathing, sensory processing, energy exposures, etc.) is that the rate of change of our technology is so much far ahead of the rate of adaptation of our biological systems! We are being bombarded with thousands of chemicals and electromagnetic radiation creating chronic stress conditions that we are simply not equipped to handle and so most of our modern diseases are due to auto intoxication and are typically manifesting themselves in the form of auto-immune responses. which includes phlegm and inflammation as you mention, but is probably involved in almost all chronic disease processes at the cellular level! Love and Light, Domingo On 12/13/05, Vinod Kumar <vinod3x3 wrote: > > Domingo's link to Dr. Mercola's site - was very interesting - there > were many informative points made but in my mind the one that is > most relative is the one concerning altered proteins. Many think the > issue of altered proteins is not important - nothing could be > further from the truth - in Ayurveda there is an ancient concept > that AMA (phlegm - undigested proteins) is a major contributing > factor in many disease processes - cancer, arthritis, sclerosis, > Alzheimers, autoimmune disease, etc.- these glycated unuseable > substances get deposited in critical places throughout the body and > are VERY!!! difficult to remove once deposited - wherever they lodge > they interfere with all processes of absorption, metabolism, and > elimination - this causes deep blockages and stagnations at the > sites - if the autoimmunity is severe enough it will cause scarring > and this leads to many defeceincy states - metabolism is poor at the > local site and therefore the cells are not properly nourished - > another consequence of this is the accumulation of acid toxins - > which cause chronic inflamatory and even infectious processes - this > is a contributing factor in most sclerotic pathologies like > sclerosis of the blood vessels, liver tissue, brain tissue, etc.. > We should avoid 'glycation' processes at all cost by making sure the > protiens we eat are digestable - so as to make sure none of these > undigested proteins get absorbed into the blood stream - also > proteins are altered in a highy acidic condition - so care must be > taken to eat plenty of alkaline substances from fruits and > vegetables - but this is an even bigger subject than microwave > damage. > > Phlegm is a substance that needs to be understood - what is it (it > actually can be a very complex substance-one problem with it is that > it will itself acculmulate toxins - and therefore can be an > extremely toxic substance) - what causes it - what problems does it > cause - how to solve the problems are important studies. > > Here is the quote from the Mercola article. > > >>>Dr. Lita Lee of Hawaii reported in the December 9, 1989 Lancet: > > " Microwaving baby formulas converted certain trans-amino acids into > their synthetic cis-isomers. Synthetic isomers, whether cis-amino > acids or trans-fatty acids, are not biologically active. > > Further, one of the amino acids, L-proline, was converted to its d- > isomer, which is known to be neurotoxic (poisonous to the nervous > system) and nephrotoxic (poisonous to the kidneys). It's bad enough > that many babies are not nursed, but now they are given fake milk > (baby formula) made even more toxic via microwaving. " > > Microwaved blood kills patient > > In 1991, there was a lawsuit in Oklahoma concerning the hospital use > of a microwave oven to warm blood needed in a transfusion. The case > involved a hip surgery patient, Norma Levitt, who died from a simple > blood transfusion. > > It seems the nurse had warmed the blood in a microwave oven. This > tragedy makes it very apparent that there's much more to " heating " > with microwaves than we've been led to believe. Blood for > transfusions is routinely warmed, but not in microwave ovens. In the > case of Mrs. Levitt, the microwaving altered the blood and it killed > her. > > It's very obvious that this form of microwave radiation " heating " > does something to the substances it heats. It's also becoming quite > apparent that people who process food in a microwave oven are also > ingesting these " unknowns " . > > Because the body is electrochemical in nature, any force that > disrupts or changes human electrochemical events will affect the > physiology of the body. This is further described in Robert O. > Becker's book, The Body Electric, and in Ellen Sugarman's book, > Warning, the Electricity Around You May Be Hazardous to Your Health. > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Chinese Traditional Medicine , Domingo Pichardo <domingo4tao@g...> wrote: > > Vinod wrote: > > " also > proteins are altered in a highly acidic condition - so care must be > taken to eat plenty of alkaline substances from fruits and > vegetables " > > Vinod, would you rethink/clarify this statement and or elaborate on its > meaning... the whole point of digestion is to alter - break down - protein > into its basic constituents ( amino acids)... to that effect, the stomach > secretes, very powerful Hydrochloric Acid (HCL)... I don't think that you > are advocating that we should interfere with that process by ingesting > alkaline substances to neutralize HCL!!!!!??? I'm sure Vinod will answer you, and quite thoroughly, but I just wanted to briefly say that the acid he refers to is not HCL nor amino acids and which won't be neutralized by eating alkaline foods. He means the pH of the blood, tissues, etc of the body. Meat is `acidic' in the sense it changes the pH when metabolised. Fruits and vegetables are more alkaline when metabolised. Oddly enough, lemon juice is alkaline, too... in the body after metablzsation. sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 Thanks Sue! I had read a book on food combining which had never explained that at all. Zen qiuser wrote: > Chinese Traditional Medicine , Domingo Pichardo > <domingo4tao@g...> wrote: > > > > Vinod wrote: > > > > " also > > proteins are altered in a highly acidic condition - so care must be > > taken to eat plenty of alkaline substances from fruits and > > vegetables " > > > > Vinod, would you rethink/clarify this statement and or elaborate on its > > meaning... the whole point of digestion is to alter - break down - > protein > > into its basic constituents ( amino acids)... to that effect, the > stomach > > secretes, very powerful Hydrochloric Acid (HCL)... I don't think > that you > > are advocating that we should interfere with that process by ingesting > > alkaline substances to neutralize HCL!!!!!??? > > I'm sure Vinod will answer you, and quite thoroughly, but I just > wanted to briefly say that the acid he refers to is not HCL nor amino > acids and which won't be neutralized by eating alkaline foods. He > means the pH of the blood, tissues, etc of the body. Meat is `acidic' > in the sense it changes the pH when metabolised. Fruits and vegetables > are more alkaline when metabolised. Oddly enough, lemon juice is > alkaline, too... in the body after metablzsation. > > sue > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 Chinese Traditional Medicine , Zenisis <findme@z...> wrote: > > Thanks Sue! I had read a book on food combining which had never > explained that at all. > > Zen Food combining is based on stomach acids and the digestive processes. Not everyone agrees that the theories are correct. sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 Vinod wrote: " also proteins are altered in a highly acidic condition - so care must be taken to eat plenty of alkaline substances from fruits and vegetables " Vinod, would you rethink/clarify this statement and or elaborate on its meaning... the whole point of digestion is to alter - break down - protein into its basic constituents ( amino acids)... to that effect, the stomach secretes, very powerful Hydrochloric Acid (HCL)... I don't think that you are advocating that we should interfere with that process by ingesting alkaline substances to neutralize HCL!!!!!??? In this forum where one is often writing at lightening speed it is rarely possible to be precise in ones meaning. Books could be (and of course have been) written on each subject. The subject of the various PH issues of the body are very important – indeed many Yoga practioners like my father consider PH to be the true key to recovery from disease and maintance of health in all especially the aging. When I referred to acid conditions in my post I was referring to acid conditions in the blood – not that the PH of the stomach is not important it is but that is a different issue and needs it's own separate discussion. The `normal' PH of the blood (as opposed to stomach PH, intestinal PH, urine PH, and saliva PH – which are all different from blood PH) is appoximately 7.3 – very slightly alkaline – the body trys at all cost to maintain this PH – it even steals calcium from the bones to neutralize an excessive acidic condition – the categories of protein and carbohydrates are acid forming foods – so to keep the body from slipping into alkaline deficit and acid excess we must ingest plenty of fruits and vegetables to restock our alkaline reserves. Acidic conditions are one of the catagories that TCM refers to as `false heat' a major cause of hundreds of pathological processes. The theory of proper acid balance in the blood is an ancient concept. Many great teachers advocated the non-eating of acid forming foods like meat and grains – my father has lived his 86 years without ever taking any animals flesh and except for a period in his youth he has not taken eggs, milk, or grains. The link to Dr. Mercola's site will give you access to one of the great advocates against grain eating – Dr. Mercola has written the popular book `The No Grain Diet'- his theory is based on the concept of the constitutional types (a huge subject-one I can not approach here). So what are the problems with acidic blood? First the acids are toxins and act as excitotoxins to the nervous system – this is the major cause of the ANS disease as this constant chronic stimulation leads to various forms of toxicity to the ANS,\CNS, and brain – which depletes brain chemistry and creates a whole cascade of problems – hypersensativity etc. This will leave one with various forms of defeciency – like cortisol exhaustion – people with highly acidic conditions suffer from hundreds of difficult to understand symptoms because of the toxicity alone but this is just one of many problems. In my mind the four major harms that acidic conditions do are the before mentioned brain chemical exhaustion – also there is the distruction that acidic conditions do to the blood itself – a highly acidic blood is unable to perform many of it's most important functions – as an example oxygen metabolism is radically altered by these conditions – indeed this is one of the major reasons why the body wants to keep the blood PH correct since oxygen metabolism is critical to healthy functioning of the cells – another very important issue is the havoc that high acid causes for the Kidneys and Liver – before I have posted on the role of acids in Liver stagnation and the build up of heat conditions. Since the Liver is so critical in the detoxification of blood toxins and the conversion of hormones, etc. Any stagnation will inevitably build up false heat conditions in the stagnant Liver – all of this build up and back up puts the Kidneys under tremendous stress and if continued causes kidney failures of various kinds – example – kidney stones are a major effect of this acidic stagnant stress in the Liver and blood. The Liver is responsible for many protein conversion processes and when it is too acidic and stagnant these processes are impeded – this increases the build up of Phlegm. This is the same thing that happens when you put acid in a glass of milk – it curdles – this clumping of the proteins in the prescense of high acids is called glycation (Ama-Phlegm)- what happens is that the proteins interact with the carbohydrates (in the presence of acids) and form an agglutinating mass. The problem is that once these substances are formed they are difficult to break the bonds. In traditional Indian society the solving of the tendancy toward acid formation is the foundation of many systems of health development. In Ayurveda the draining of the chronic stuck false heat (acid Pitta – seated in the liver/gallbladder/and dueodneum) is a primary health treatment. Example in the therapoutic protocol called Virechan – the objective is to remove these acid toxins from the whole body but especially the liver. Removal of these toxins revitalizes the body. Traditional thinkers referred to the purified state of the blood as Sattwa (or Sattvic)- this is the state of the clear minded, disease free, long lived, spirituly correct individual. In Sanskrit the recovery of the health of the lymph is a symbol of health recovery in general – this is called Rasayana – recovery. " " " I think the real problem with all forms of interactions with our environment (eating, breathing, sensory processing, energy exposures, etc.) is that the rate of change of our technology is so much far ahead of the rate of adaptation of our biological systems! We are being bombarded with thousands of chemicals and electromagnetic radiation creating chronic stress conditions that we are simply not equipped to handle and so most of our modern diseases are due to auto intoxication and are typically manifesting themselves in the form of auto-immune responses. which includes phlegm and inflammation as you mention, but is probably involved in almost all chronic disease processes at the cellular level! " " " " Absolutely – this is my point we are living in a historical period that is challenging many beyond their ability to keep up. But we should be aware that many millions are thriving in this period – I meet people all of the time who are at their peak and achieve levels of Qi develpoment way beyond traditional norms. In the scenario that Domingo is describing the effects are of course suffered more by those who are already compromised either by genetics are extreme stress states that have left them depleted – many lose their ability to recover because of the loss of Yin – these are the ones who break down under the modern stressors. A person who is healthy can deal with the modern stressors – I know many people who are radiantly healthy in the modern society. Let me use my wife as an example – she is a person who lives a healthy life – eats well (perfectly according to her system) she does yoga practice daily combined with breathing exercises (Pranayama and Chi Kung) – she is a University lecturer (although retired) – keeps our home perfectly – a beloved mother – she is involved in many projects as we work extensively in the Ecological movement as well as other social activities – she travels many months in the year helping me with my work (by the way she organises all of our professional activities simply because she is much better at it than me) – she is editing a book I am writing about my father – she gives seminars throughout the world on the techniques of population studies that she and I developed when in the research field – etc. etc.!!! she has no physical or mental deficits of any kind her - Endocrine profile is equivialnt to a woman in her late 40s – she is 66 – her pulses show no pathology. Pathology makes stress adaptation difficult to impossible – so the objective we must follow is to live as well as possible – this is our only real chance to thrive in the face of the modern stressors. I believe that the crisis in health we are facing today is a wake-up call for us to start living in a more sane way – some have already gotten the message – others have gotten the message and are having trouble achieving their goals – others do not even know there is a problem. For those in the first two catagories traditional concepts of health recovery and maintance has much to offer. Reducing internal stressors and maintaing internal balance is the best way to deal with the modern challenge. Acid reduction is just one of the many steps to achieve this internal balance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Vinod said: > The theory of proper acid balance in the blood is an ancient > concept. Many great teachers advocated the non-eating of acid > forming foods like meat and grains – my father has lived his 86 > years without ever taking any animals flesh and except for a period > in his youth he has not taken eggs, milk, or grains. Vinod, are you saying that your father has only eaten fruits and vegetables since becoming an adult? Can you tell us what kinds of physical activity your father is engaged in? I did try such a fast at one time, but it was impossible to sustain the vigorous excercise I had been doing after being on that diet for a couple of days. The resistance training and jogging that I normally did left me with the most intense muscle soreness I have ever experienced. I read an article not to long ago that said that TCM practioners generally do not recommend vegetarianism, but offered guidelines to those who did it as a lifestyle choice for whatever reasons. http://www.acupuncture.com/nutrition/vegdiet.htm The author affirmed my experience with activity levels, really. In handsight, my workouts were somewhat on the extreme side, particularly from the view of TCM I would imagine. Yet they were possible, and even comfortable, on a diet with meat. And the author of the above mentioned author assumes one would be eating grains, if not also milk and eggs. Still, I have heard that a number of reports that a low calorie, plant based diet is life extending. I'm still trying to put together the large picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Vinod, thank you for the clarification on blood PH vs Stomach PH! I agree with most of what you are saying regarding the need to take responsibility for our own health and this forum and yourself specifically are an invaluable tool in that endeavour! Regarding the issue of PH in general, we must keep in mind that this is just an arbitrary scale, like many other scientific scales, that are also based on the characteristics of water! Our body is mostly water so it is extremely important that we provide it with the best possible source of this substance if we want to maintain health. A PH of 7.0 is consider to be neutral... this is the state of pure deionized water! This is a huge subject!; water and life are concomitant and yet we take it so much for granted that we have allowed ourselves to ignore its importance beyond the mere ability to satisfy our thirst... most of the drinking water in the ground today is already chemically contaminated and biologically inactive by the time you get to drink it! One point of clarification about blood PH and its alkalinity... it is my understanding that in order to maintain the narrow range of variation allowed, the body makes used of the lungs for the this purpose first through the conversion of carbolic acid... so proper deep breathing and lung function are the first requisite for maintain the right PH balance... bone calcium conversion would be to slow of a process and would not work in an emergency situation so the body has the lung and kidneys to do that job... of course a chronic condition of blood stasis and habitual shallow breathing would precipitate other mechanism for obtaining alkaline minerals. I don't think that your Dad, your wife and/or your/ self can qualify as " typical " people who have remain health in a chronically stresful environment; most regular people may not even be aware of the degree of chemical and radiation pollution that they are exposed to on a daily basis. Also, I am sure that as Yogis, you practice all types of kriyas, asanas and pranayanas to maintain physical, mental & spiritual detoxification; most people I know do not have the time, the means nor the disposition to do that! Finally, I would love to read a book about your father and one that would also have in it all of your immense knowledge on the issue of health and how the ancient ways can help us maintain it in the mids of the ecological disaster now unfolding before our very own eyes! The health of the planet and that of each of us are one! Love and Light, Domingo On 12/16/05, Vinod Kumar <vinod3x3 wrote: > > Vinod wrote: > > " also > proteins are altered in a highly acidic condition - so care must be > taken to eat plenty of alkaline substances from fruits and > vegetables " > > Vinod, would you rethink/clarify this statement and or elaborate on > its > meaning... the whole point of digestion is to alter - break down - > protein > into its basic constituents ( amino acids)... to that effect, the > stomach > secretes, very powerful Hydrochloric Acid (HCL)... I don't think > that you > are advocating that we should interfere with that process by > ingesting > alkaline substances to neutralize HCL!!!!!??? > > In this forum where one is often writing at lightening speed it is > rarely possible to be precise in ones meaning. Books could be (and > of course have been) written on each subject. > > The subject of the various PH issues of the body are very important – > indeed many Yoga practioners like my father consider PH to be the > true key to recovery from disease and maintance of health in all > especially the aging. When I referred to acid conditions in my post > I was referring to acid conditions in the blood – not that the PH of > the stomach is not important it is but that is a different issue and > needs it's own separate discussion. The `normal' PH of the blood (as > opposed to stomach PH, intestinal PH, urine PH, and saliva PH – > which are all different from blood PH) is appoximately 7.3 – very > slightly alkaline – the body trys at all cost to maintain this PH – > it even steals calcium from the bones to neutralize an excessive > acidic condition – the categories of protein and carbohydrates are > acid forming foods – so to keep the body from slipping into alkaline > deficit and acid excess we must ingest plenty of fruits and > vegetables to restock our alkaline reserves. Acidic conditions are > one of the catagories that TCM refers to as `false heat' a major > cause of hundreds of pathological processes. > > The theory of proper acid balance in the blood is an ancient > concept. Many great teachers advocated the non-eating of acid > forming foods like meat and grains – my father has lived his 86 > years without ever taking any animals flesh and except for a period > in his youth he has not taken eggs, milk, or grains. The link to Dr. > Mercola's site will give you access to one of the great advocates > against grain eating – Dr. Mercola has written the popular book `The > No Grain Diet'- his theory is based on the concept of the > constitutional types (a huge subject-one I can not approach here). > > So what are the problems with acidic blood? First the acids are > toxins and act as excitotoxins to the nervous system – this is the > major cause of the ANS disease as this constant chronic stimulation > leads to various forms of toxicity to the ANS,\CNS, and brain – > which depletes brain chemistry and creates a whole cascade of > problems – hypersensativity etc. This will leave one with various > forms of defeciency – like cortisol exhaustion – people with highly > acidic conditions suffer from hundreds of difficult to understand > symptoms because of the toxicity alone but this is just one of many > problems. In my mind the four major harms that acidic conditions do > are the before mentioned brain chemical exhaustion – also there is > the distruction that acidic conditions do to the blood itself – a > highly acidic blood is unable to perform many of it's most important > functions – as an example oxygen metabolism is radically altered by > these conditions – indeed this is one of the major reasons why the > body wants to keep the blood PH correct since oxygen metabolism is > critical to healthy functioning of the cells – another very > important issue is the havoc that high acid causes for the Kidneys > and Liver – before I have posted on the role of acids in Liver > stagnation and the build up of heat conditions. Since the Liver is > so critical in the detoxification of blood toxins and the conversion > of hormones, etc. Any stagnation will inevitably build up false heat > conditions in the stagnant Liver – all of this build up and back up > puts the Kidneys under tremendous stress and if continued causes > kidney failures of various kinds – example – kidney stones are a > major effect of this acidic stagnant stress in the Liver and blood. > The Liver is responsible for many protein conversion processes and > when it is too acidic and stagnant these processes are impeded – > this increases the build up of Phlegm. This is the same thing that > happens when you put acid in a glass of milk – it curdles – this > clumping of the proteins in the prescense of high acids is called > glycation (Ama-Phlegm)- what happens is that the proteins interact > with the carbohydrates (in the presence of acids) and form an > agglutinating mass. The problem is that once these substances are > formed they are difficult to break the bonds. > > In traditional Indian society the solving of the tendancy toward > acid formation is the foundation of many systems of health > development. In Ayurveda the draining of the chronic stuck false > heat (acid Pitta – seated in the liver/gallbladder/and dueodneum) is > a primary health treatment. Example in the therapoutic protocol > called Virechan – the objective is to remove these acid toxins from > the whole body but especially the liver. Removal of these toxins > revitalizes the body. Traditional thinkers referred to the purified > state of the blood as Sattwa (or Sattvic)- this is the state of the > clear minded, disease free, long lived, spirituly correct > individual. In Sanskrit the recovery of the health of the lymph is a > symbol of health recovery in general – this is called Rasayana – > recovery. > > " " " I think the real problem with all forms of interactions with our > environment > (eating, breathing, sensory processing, energy exposures, etc.) is > that the > rate of change of our technology is so much far ahead of the rate of > adaptation of our biological systems! We are being bombarded with > thousands > of chemicals and electromagnetic radiation creating chronic stress > conditions that we are simply not equipped to handle and so most of > our > modern diseases are due to auto intoxication and are typically > manifesting > themselves in the form of auto-immune responses. which includes > phlegm and > inflammation as you mention, but is probably involved in almost all > chronic > disease processes at the cellular level! " " " " > > Absolutely – this is my point we are living in a historical period > that is challenging many beyond their ability to keep up. But we > should be aware that many millions are thriving in this period – I > meet people all of the time who are at their peak and achieve levels > of Qi develpoment way beyond traditional norms. In the scenario that > Domingo is describing the effects are of course suffered more by > those who are already compromised either by genetics are extreme > stress states that have left them depleted – many lose their ability > to recover because of the loss of Yin – these are the ones who break > down under the modern stressors. > > A person who is healthy can deal with the modern stressors – I know > many people who are radiantly healthy in the modern society. Let me > use my wife as an example – she is a person who lives a healthy > life – eats well (perfectly according to her system) she does yoga > practice daily combined with breathing exercises (Pranayama and Chi > Kung) – she is a University lecturer (although retired) – keeps our > home perfectly – a beloved mother – she is involved in many projects > as we work extensively in the Ecological movement as well as other > social activities – she travels many months in the year helping me > with my work (by the way she organises all of our professional > activities simply because she is much better at it than me) – she is > editing a book I am writing about my father – she gives seminars > throughout the world on the techniques of population studies that > she and I developed when in the research field – etc. etc.!!! she > has no physical or mental deficits of any kind her - Endocrine > profile is equivialnt to a woman in her late 40s – she is 66 – her > pulses show no pathology. > > Pathology makes stress adaptation difficult to impossible – so the > objective we must follow is to live as well as possible – this is > our only real chance to thrive in the face of the modern stressors. > I believe that the crisis in health we are facing today is a wake-up > call for us to start living in a more sane way – some have already > gotten the message – others have gotten the message and are having > trouble achieving their goals – others do not even know there is a > problem. For those in the first two catagories traditional concepts > of health recovery and maintance has much to offer. Reducing > internal stressors and maintaing internal balance is the best way to > deal with the modern challenge. Acid reduction is just one of the > many steps to achieve this internal balance. > > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 http://www.beyondveg.com/index.shtml http://www.beyondveg.com/cat/paleodiet/index.shtml http://www.beyondveg.com/nicholson-w/moral-omniv/morality-omniv-1a.shtml Zen, Here are a couple of links that provide some interesting information on the subject of Vegetarianism! Personally, I believe that we humans are natural omnivores with wide tolerances in either direction based on ethnicity and climate! By the way, a very excellent admonition from my Tai Chi master is to only eat to fill about 80% of your stomach's capacity and to never eat when you are not really hungry! Love and Light, Domingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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