Quiet Singing While Doing Tasks

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The discussion of the 6 healing sounds got me checking out some websites on

this & reading more about sounds & how they relate to TCM. There may be lots

of information available but I'm not familiar enough with TCM to find the

best ones & /or most may only be available in print. So I'm asking anyone here

for some further information - just meant for leaning & understanding more.

 

Having ADD, I find it all too easy to get distracted by anything new or

interesting. But I also find that while doing manual tasks that doesn't

require much active thinking, I'll lose interest & find it hard to finish a

task. More by accident than anything, I found that quietly singing to myself

made a huge difference in keeping focused on the task at hand & also made

whatever I was doing far more enjoyable. I don't consider sweeping, washing

dishes, raking the yard, etc to be unpleasant tasks but maybe the best way to

describe them is somewhat boring.

 

I guess I've developed the habit of singing so that even while I was working

at my job (looking after plants in that department at a large chain store),

I'd be singing to myself. I didn't even realise I was till another person

said they enjoyed when I was there since I sang. Horrified, I asked if they

could hear me & was told yes, but not loud & nice to hear. After that, I took

note of my singing & realise now I do it all the time I'm working at

something for quite a while. I find I even do it when I'm getting ready to go

somewhere. If I'm interrupted, it takes me a few minutes to pick up the

rhythm of what I was doing again.

 

It focuses me & whatever I'm doing moves along smoothly. I don't get

distracted & find I don't have to think of what I should do next.

 

Does what I experience fit in with any ideas of TCM? Is something like this

(not the 6 healing sounds) practised in TCM for anything? I've found that if

I'm somewhere where I can't do this, especially for a prolonged period of

time, I feel more mentally, emotionally, & physically tired & irritable. Yet,

I've never read anything like this in western medicine other than singing

helps with breathing & boosts one's spirit.

 

Any ideas? This fascinates me.

 

Judy

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Hi Judy,

There is a deep tradition within

involving the healing aspects of music, whether

instrumental or voice, whether one does it, or, on the

other hand, merely hears it.

Two small notes:

1. It is vitally important for us as CM practitioners

to use the full scope of our senses, such as smell.

Too often I hear (T)CM colleagues speak in a manner

that is reminiscent of our western medicine

colleagues. We need to rise to what our medicine is

good at, not emulate another, unrelated system. For

example, if I am doing an initial interview and a

patient suddenly says " I don't think I can do that "

and the smell of fecal matter carries on their breath

at that moment, then I just learned something really

important about that person. " Qi " has to become

something real to us in every sense.

If your treatments are having a deep impacts, there

will be times where a patient will either recognise,

admit or make a decision about one of their " ruts " in

life and there _should_ be a smell that emanates from

the deep recesses of their lungs at that time. Catch

that smell and you can not only develop confidence in

what you are doing, but also gain very important

clinical information.

 

2. Does anybody know of Mantak Chia's (healing

sounds) lineage? He has written a whole range of books

on some of the more esoteric aspects of chinese

medicine, but I'm not sure of how solid his

information is. For example, I know of some problems

in the way he describes bone marrow washing. Anybody

have more information?

 

Hugo

 

--- Judy Wilkins <isomorphix wrote:

 

> The discussion of the 6 healing sounds got me

> checking out some websites on

> this & reading more about sounds & how they relate

> to TCM. There may be lots

> of information available but I'm not familiar enough

> with TCM to find the

> best ones & /or most may only be available in print.

> So I'm asking anyone here

> for some further information - just meant for

> leaning & understanding more.

>

> Having ADD, I find it all too easy to get distracted

> by anything new or

> interesting. But I also find that while doing manual

> tasks that doesn't

> require much active thinking, I'll lose interest &

> find it hard to finish a

> task. More by accident than anything, I found that

> quietly singing to myself

> made a huge difference in keeping focused on the

> task at hand & also made

> whatever I was doing far more enjoyable. I don't

> consider sweeping, washing

> dishes, raking the yard, etc to be unpleasant tasks

> but maybe the best way to

> describe them is somewhat boring.

>

> I guess I've developed the habit of singing so that

> even while I was working

> at my job (looking after plants in that department

> at a large chain store),

> I'd be singing to myself. I didn't even realise I

> was till another person

> said they enjoyed when I was there since I sang.

> Horrified, I asked if they

> could hear me & was told yes, but not loud & nice to

> hear. After that, I took

> note of my singing & realise now I do it all the

> time I'm working at

> something for quite a while. I find I even do it

> when I'm getting ready to go

> somewhere. If I'm interrupted, it takes me a few

> minutes to pick up the

> rhythm of what I was doing again.

>

> It focuses me & whatever I'm doing moves along

> smoothly. I don't get

> distracted & find I don't have to think of what I

> should do next.

>

> Does what I experience fit in with any ideas of TCM?

> Is something like this

> (not the 6 healing sounds) practised in TCM for

> anything? I've found that if

> I'm somewhere where I can't do this, especially for

> a prolonged period of

> time, I feel more mentally, emotionally, &

> physically tired & irritable. Yet,

> I've never read anything like this in western

> medicine other than singing

> helps with breathing & boosts one's spirit.

>

> Any ideas? This fascinates me.

>

> Judy

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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HI Judy,

It seems to me that your singing expressess your inner harmony,

keeeps your head clear to focus on doing whatever you have to do,

without having the mind dwelling on thoughts(good, bad or

indifferent).

The sound practices in Taoism and Buddhism(where TCM imported it

from),work on the principles of connectedness; an element has a

color, has a sound, has a smell, has a taste, has an organ, has a

season, has a time of day(or night), has a meridian(or channel),

has a symbolic animal, has a spatial direction, has a number,

etc... They resonate sympathetically(that is a way of putting

it), I learned the 6 Healing Sounds from the healingTao school of

Mantak Chia, there are others, Can't tell you witch is better,

you have to search for yourself, but a good thing would be to

learn with many masters of this, for there are slight differences

among traditions, there are various Taoists schools, there are

shaolin schools, tai-chi schools, Pakua schools, etc...

Your self-singing sounds to me like the mantra practices of many

traditions, where the practitioner will chant-repeat to himself

silently or softly a sound(mantra) over and over, continuously,

during the day, it goes for silencing the mind, harmonising us

with our inner-self. The simplest sound practice(and mantra) as

its least effect we have relaxation, from there, it goes way

beyond, but that will depend on intention and the specific

practice used(especially when ome is initiated into it by a

master).

Greetings,

Marcos(I don't like to write long posts, but i guess i got a bit

carried away!)

 

--- Judy Wilkins <isomorphix escreveu:

 

> The discussion of the 6 healing sounds got me checking out some

> websites on

> this & reading more about sounds & how they relate to TCM.

> There may be lots

> of information available but I'm not familiar enough with TCM

> to find the

> best ones & /or most may only be available in print. So I'm

> asking anyone here

> for some further information - just meant for leaning &

> understanding more.

>

> Having ADD, I find it all too easy to get distracted by

> anything new or

> interesting. But I also find that while doing manual tasks that

> doesn't

> require much active thinking, I'll lose interest & find it hard

> to finish a

> task. More by accident than anything, I found that quietly

> singing to myself

> made a huge difference in keeping focused on the task at hand &

> also made

> whatever I was doing far more enjoyable. I don't consider

> sweeping, washing

> dishes, raking the yard, etc to be unpleasant tasks but maybe

> the best way to

> describe them is somewhat boring.

>

> I guess I've developed the habit of singing so that even while

> I was working

> at my job (looking after plants in that department at a large

> chain store),

> I'd be singing to myself. I didn't even realise I was till

> another person

> said they enjoyed when I was there since I sang. Horrified, I

> asked if they

> could hear me & was told yes, but not loud & nice to hear.

> After that, I took

> note of my singing & realise now I do it all the time I'm

> working at

> something for quite a while. I find I even do it when I'm

> getting ready to go

> somewhere. If I'm interrupted, it takes me a few minutes to

> pick up the

> rhythm of what I was doing again.

>

> It focuses me & whatever I'm doing moves along smoothly. I

> don't get

> distracted & find I don't have to think of what I should do

> next.

>

> Does what I experience fit in with any ideas of TCM? Is

> something like this

> (not the 6 healing sounds) practised in TCM for anything? I've

> found that if

> I'm somewhere where I can't do this, especially for a prolonged

> period of

> time, I feel more mentally, emotionally, & physically tired &

> irritable. Yet,

> I've never read anything like this in western medicine other

> than singing

> helps with breathing & boosts one's spirit.

>

> Any ideas? This fascinates me.

>

> Judy

>

 

 

 

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--- Hugo Ramiro <subincor escreveu:

> 2. Does anybody know of Mantak Chia's (healing

> sounds) lineage? He has written a whole range of books

> on some of the more esoteric aspects of chinese

> medicine, but I'm not sure of how solid his

> information is. For example, I know of some problems

> in the way he describes bone marrow washing. Anybody

> have more information?

>

> Hugo

 

Hi Hugo,

What I know is the bio he himself gives:

 

" Mater Chia was born in Thailand to Chinese parents in 1944, when

6 years old a buddhist monks taught him to sit and " still the

mind " . While at grammar school he learned traditional Thai

boxing, then TaiChiChuan by Master Lu, who later taught him

Aikido,Yioga and more Tai Chi.

Later, as a student in Hong Kong, he met Taoist Master Yi Eng. He

began to study Taoist Way of life, how to circulate energy(qi)

through the Microcosmic Orbit, and through the practice of Fusion

of the Five Elements, how to open the other Six Special Channels,

as he further sudied Inner Alchemy, he learned the Enlightenment

of Kan and Li, Sealing the Five Sense Organs, Congress of Heaven

and Earth, and Reunion of Man and heaven, it was master YiEng who

authorised Master Chia to teach and heal.

In his early twenties, Mantak Chia studied with Master Meugi in

Singapore, who taught him Kundalini, Taoist Yoga, and the

Buddhist Palm. He was soon able to clear blockages to the flow of

energy within his own body. He also learned to pass life-force

energy through his hands to heal the patients of Master Meugi, he

then learned Chi Nei Tsang from Dr.Mui Yimwattana in Thailand.

Later, he studied with Master Cheng Yao-Lun who taught him the

Shao-Lin Method of Inner Power. He also learned from Master

Yao-Lun the closely guarded secret of the organs, glands, and

bone-marrow exercise known as Bone Marrow Nei Kung and the

exercise known as Strenghtening and Renewal of the Tendons.

Master Cheng Yao-Lun's system combined Thai boxing and Kung Fu.

At this time he also studied with Master Pan Yu, whose system

combined Taoist, Buddhist and Zen teachings. From Master Pan Yu

he learned about the exchange of the Yin and Yang power between

men and women, and also learned how to develop the Steel Body.

To understand the mechanisms behind healing energy better. Master

Chia studied Western medical science and anatomy for two

years.(...) "

 

Greetings,

marcos

 

 

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Great info. But I know so many people who tried some of his techniques had so

many problems later on. Six healing sounds are great, they work. You can use

" Healing Sounds " VHS tape from Natural Journeys. It is good to start with. Or

you can also take help from Ken Kohens VHS tape.

Best of luck.

 

marcos <ishk18 wrote:

 

--- Hugo Ramiro <subincor escreveu:

> 2. Does anybody know of Mantak Chia's (healing

> sounds) lineage? He has written a whole range of books

> on some of the more esoteric aspects of chinese

> medicine, but I'm not sure of how solid his

> information is. For example, I know of some problems

> in the way he describes bone marrow washing. Anybody

> have more information?

>

> Hugo

 

Hi Hugo,

What I know is the bio he himself gives:

 

" Mater Chia was born in Thailand to Chinese parents in 1944, when

6 years old a buddhist monks taught him to sit and " still the

mind " . While at grammar school he learned traditional Thai

boxing, then TaiChiChuan by Master Lu, who later taught him

Aikido,Yioga and more Tai Chi.

Later, as a student in Hong Kong, he met Taoist Master Yi Eng. He

began to study Taoist Way of life, how to circulate energy(qi)

through the Microcosmic Orbit, and through the practice of Fusion

of the Five Elements, how to open the other Six Special Channels,

as he further sudied Inner Alchemy, he learned the Enlightenment

of Kan and Li, Sealing the Five Sense Organs, Congress of Heaven

and Earth, and Reunion of Man and heaven, it was master YiEng who

authorised Master Chia to teach and heal.

In his early twenties, Mantak Chia studied with Master Meugi in

Singapore, who taught him Kundalini, Taoist Yoga, and the

Buddhist Palm. He was soon able to clear blockages to the flow of

energy within his own body. He also learned to pass life-force

energy through his hands to heal the patients of Master Meugi, he

then learned Chi Nei Tsang from Dr.Mui Yimwattana in Thailand.

Later, he studied with Master Cheng Yao-Lun who taught him the

Shao-Lin Method of Inner Power. He also learned from Master

Yao-Lun the closely guarded secret of the organs, glands, and

bone-marrow exercise known as Bone Marrow Nei Kung and the

exercise known as Strenghtening and Renewal of the Tendons.

Master Cheng Yao-Lun's system combined Thai boxing and Kung Fu.

At this time he also studied with Master Pan Yu, whose system

combined Taoist, Buddhist and Zen teachings. From Master Pan Yu

he learned about the exchange of the Yin and Yang power between

men and women, and also learned how to develop the Steel Body.

To understand the mechanisms behind healing energy better. Master

Chia studied Western medical science and anatomy for two

years.(...) "

 

Greetings,

marcos

 

 

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That's what I was referring to.

Hugo

 

--- tulu 489 <tulu489 wrote:

 

> Great info. But I know so many people who tried some

> of his techniques had so many problems later on.

 

 

 

 

 

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Chinese Traditional Medicine , Hugo Ramiro <subincor

wrote:

>

> 1. It is vitally important for us as CM practitioners

> to use the full scope of our senses, such as smell.

> Too often I hear (T)CM colleagues speak in a manner

> that is reminiscent of our western medicine

> colleagues. We need to rise to what our medicine is

> good at, not emulate another, unrelated system. For

> example, if I am doing an initial interview and a

> patient suddenly says " I don't think I can do that "

> and the smell of fecal matter carries on their breath

> at that moment, then I just learned something really

> important about that person. " Qi " has to become

> something real to us in every sense.

> If your treatments are having a deep impacts, there

> will be times where a patient will either recognise,

> admit or make a decision about one of their " ruts " in

> life and there _should_ be a smell that emanates from

> the deep recesses of their lungs at that time. Catch

> that smell and you can not only develop confidence in

> what you are doing, but also gain very important

> clinical information.

>

Please give more examples of this. Do specific smells mean specific

things?

 

Thanks.

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Hi Tulu,

These people that had problems that you mention, did they do a

course with an instructor(certified, etc), or they tried it off

from his books?

My instructor here in Brazil, Ely Britto; she advises that one

follow a certain order of learning the practices. For instance,

always beginning with the Inner Smile, followed by the other

practices, the inner smile is for harmonization, its the basic

practice, the healing sounds they advise you to do at night,

before retiring(they do work well with clearing excess from the

organs). She warns the students that one should not try to do the

'Iron Shirt' series before many months of the harmonising and

cleansing practices(Inner Smile Microcosmic Orbit, Healing

Sounds, basically), for they will help correct imbalances and

remove blockages in the energy-emotional system of the person.

Only after some measure of balance, health cleansing(again;

physical and emotional), one should do the 'Iron Shirt', as they

are highly energizing, if you are imbalanced in some way, the

additional energy will fuel the imbalance! The Organs must be

reasonably in harmony.

That's why in all Esoteric, initiatic schools from remote

antiquity to the present, before one was given the 'real stuff',

one had to pass through a period of 'purification', a preparatory

phase for the protection of the student himself!

Greetings,

Marcos

 

 

--- tulu 489 <tulu489 escreveu:

 

> Great info. But I know so many people who tried some of his

> techniques had so many problems later on. Six healing sounds

> are great, they work. You can use " Healing Sounds " VHS tape

> from Natural Journeys. It is good to start with. Or you can

> also take help from Ken Kohens VHS tape.

> Best of luck.

>

> marcos <ishk18 wrote:

>

> --- Hugo Ramiro <subincor escreveu:

> > 2. Does anybody know of Mantak Chia's (healing

> > sounds) lineage? He has written a whole range of books

> > on some of the more esoteric aspects of chinese

> > medicine, but I'm not sure of how solid his

> > information is. For example, I know of some problems

> > in the way he describes bone marrow washing. Anybody

> > have more information?

> >

> > Hugo

>

> Hi Hugo,

> What I know is the bio he himself gives:

>

> " Mater Chia was born in Thailand to Chinese parents in 1944,

> when

> 6 years old a buddhist monks taught him to sit and " still the

> mind " . While at grammar school he learned traditional Thai

> boxing, then TaiChiChuan by Master Lu, who later taught him

> Aikido,Yioga and more Tai Chi.

> Later, as a student in Hong Kong, he met Taoist Master Yi Eng.

> He

> began to study Taoist Way of life, how to circulate energy(qi)

> through the Microcosmic Orbit, and through the practice of

> Fusion

> of the Five Elements, how to open the other Six Special

> Channels,

> as he further sudied Inner Alchemy, he learned the

> Enlightenment

> of Kan and Li, Sealing the Five Sense Organs, Congress of

> Heaven

> and Earth, and Reunion of Man and heaven, it was master YiEng

> who

> authorised Master Chia to teach and heal.

> In his early twenties, Mantak Chia studied with Master Meugi in

> Singapore, who taught him Kundalini, Taoist Yoga, and the

> Buddhist Palm. He was soon able to clear blockages to the flow

> of

> energy within his own body. He also learned to pass life-force

> energy through his hands to heal the patients of Master Meugi,

> he

> then learned Chi Nei Tsang from Dr.Mui Yimwattana in Thailand.

> Later, he studied with Master Cheng Yao-Lun who taught him the

> Shao-Lin Method of Inner Power. He also learned from Master

> Yao-Lun the closely guarded secret of the organs, glands, and

> bone-marrow exercise known as Bone Marrow Nei Kung and the

> exercise known as Strenghtening and Renewal of the Tendons.

> Master Cheng Yao-Lun's system combined Thai boxing and Kung Fu.

> At this time he also studied with Master Pan Yu, whose system

> combined Taoist, Buddhist and Zen teachings. From Master Pan Yu

> he learned about the exchange of the Yin and Yang power between

> men and women, and also learned how to develop the Steel Body.

> To understand the mechanisms behind healing energy better.

> Master

> Chia studied Western medical science and anatomy for two

> years.(...) "

>

> Greetings,

> marcos

>

>

 

 

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Chinese Traditional Medicine , marcos <ishk18 wrote:

>

> She warns the students that one should not try to do the

> 'Iron Shirt' series before many months of the harmonising and

> cleansing practices(Inner Smile Microcosmic Orbit, Healing

> Sounds, basically), for they will help correct imbalances and

> remove blockages in the energy-emotional system of the person.

> Only after some measure of balance, health cleansing(again;

> physical and emotional), one should do the 'Iron Shirt', as they

> are highly energizing, if you are imbalanced in some way, the

> additional energy will fuel the imbalance! The Organs must be

> reasonably in harmony.

 

This is something that sometimes arises in other aspects of healing

as well - acupuncture, herbalism, massage, etc. I had the problem

when I first started on magnesium shots. The analogy I used was that

it was like putting high octane gas in an old clunker that

desperately needed a tuneup. The high octane underscores just how

badly the tune-up is needed. The solution in that case was to cut

back on the dosage of Mg until the rest of my body had time to " catch

up " . The " catch-22 " was that without the Mg, the rest of my body

wasn't going to catch up. So I cut the dose enough to help the rest

of my body but not so much that I felt like I'd been given a pep pill

and my body was still in no shape to move very much.

 

The most common situation where this is encountered is herbalism.

It's behind the general rule that when Excess and Deficiency are both

present, get rid of the Excess first or treating the Deficiency will

feed the Excess. One common example is giving a Qi tonic herb to a

person who also has Qi Stagnation. If an herb to relieve Qi

Stagnation isn't also given, you're adding more Qi to be blocked, and

the symptoms of Qi Stagnation get worse.

 

This is a general rule. There are going to be times when one will

have to address both the Deficiency and Excess at the same time or

even address the Deficiency before tackling the Excess. Just know to

be cautious in cases like this. There are several strategies one can

try. For example, cutting the dose of certain herbs. Another way is

to not boil certain decoctions for as long as one would otherwise.

Another way is through combining acupuncture and herbalism. In some

of these cases a working knowledge of 5 Element Theory will give

ideas for some very creative solutions.

 

In the case of some Qi Gong exercises, as you said, do them in the

recommended order.

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Chinese Traditional Medicine , Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote:

 

> 2. Does anybody know of Mantak Chia's (healing

> sounds) lineage? He has written a whole range of books

> on some of the more esoteric aspects of chinese

> medicine, but I'm not sure of how solid his

> information is. For example, I know of some problems

> in the way he describes bone marrow washing. Anybody

> have more information?

 

I have heard in qigong and taiji groups, that Mantak Chia's books give

incomplete and/or incorrect information. One needs to buy all his

books in order to get the whole thing, and some parts may be

deliberately obscure or wrong. He appears to not mind making money off

us westerners, but doesn't think we should have correct information

either.

 

sue

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Hi Sue,

 

--- qiuser <qiuser wrote:

 

> I have heard in qigong and taiji groups, that Mantak

> Chia's books give

> incomplete and/or incorrect information. One needs

 

> sue

 

Thanks, my teacher is pretty strictly against Mantak

Chia. I guess everyone should be aware of this.

Hugo

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Chinese Traditional Medicine , marcos <ishk18 wrote:

>

> Hi Sue,

> The information you got from the qigong-taiji is incomplete

> and/or incorrect.

> You do not have to buy all his books, you should preferably do

> classes with a teacher of his system to learn how to do things

> right, same as you do in the qigong-taiji classes. You probably

> know that book learning does not usually suffice for something as

> qigong, especially for beginners.

> Bad-intended gossip is nothing new between rival teachers and/or

> methods, the students principally like to put down competing

> systems or teachers. Don't believe anything without checking the

> 'other side' of the question first!

 

What I meant was, that one needs to buy all his books to learn his

system. That each one has only a little bit of information. I was

offering this information as another view of his teachings.

 

sue

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Hi Sue,

I see,but if you do a University course, you will probably have

to buy even more books, over a four to six year period, to pass

the exams and be qualified to get a diploma on whatever

discipline attracted you. Why should it be different with A

Taoist healing system that has so many different practices and

techniques? Remember, he does not teach only tai-chi,. or only

Iron-Shirt, or qigong, but all these and much more! One

book(unfortunately) could not have everything. And they still are

no substitute for classes(as in most universities)!

Its not ' little bit of information', but a separate technique.

You don't have to learn everything if you don't want to, you can

just concentrate on the ones that interest you, possibly adding

some that may be of use to the optimal use of those.

 

regards,

marcos

 

--- qiuser <qiuser escreveu:

 

> Chinese Traditional Medicine , marcos <ishk18

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Sue,

> > The information you got from the qigong-taiji is incomplete

> > and/or incorrect.

> > You do not have to buy all his books, you should preferably

> do

> > classes with a teacher of his system to learn how to do

> things

> > right, same as you do in the qigong-taiji classes. You

> probably

> > know that book learning does not usually suffice for

> something as

> > qigong, especially for beginners.

> > Bad-intended gossip is nothing new between rival teachers

> and/or

> > methods, the students principally like to put down competing

> > systems or teachers. Don't believe anything without checking

> the

> > 'other side' of the question first!

>

> What I meant was, that one needs to buy all his books to learn

> his

> system. That each one has only a little bit of information. I

> was

> offering this information as another view of his teachings.

>

> sue

>

>

 

 

 

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