Help, please

[Guest guest]

I've been going down fast in the last two months. I can't eat, in fact I don't

want to eat because it hurts so bad after I eat. Supplements hurt worse than

normal food.

 

I got a CT scan. It showed no mets to liver, kidneys, spleen, lungs, stomach,

or intestines. It did show a possible tumor in the left adrenal gland. It did

show multiple mets in the menasis (sp?). The doctor said that this is probably

what is causing the pain in the guts because it is cutting off the blood supply

to the guts.

 

I am so afraid. ANd I have no idea what to do. My whole battle plan that

worked for a year is now useless because I can't get any food or supplements

down.

 

I would gladly try straight Budwig for awhile, but FO/CC hurts the worst of any

food I eat. I am in agony after eating it. I am so sorry, Sandra (Budwig

moderator) for picking fights with you in the past over supplements / no

supplements regarding Budwig. But for some reason, the FO/CC hurts really bad

after eating it for me -- probably a rare allergic reaction of some kind.

 

Please forgive me, all, for any arguments I have caused or propogated in this

newsgroup over the last year.

 

I need all of your love, help, and support more than ever. Without it, I'm sure

I only have a couple of months, if that. Please help, if you can.

 

I am going to cross-post this in the oleander newsgroup. I hope you don't mind.

[Guest guest]

Hi Jrrjim,

If you could tell me a bit more about your cancer I will do some surrogate EFT

(Emotional Freedom Technique ) on your pain. If the cancer has moved to the

adrenal it can be extremely painful. Rubbing the area with Magnesium oil and/or

applying heat might help. There is also a website online :

http://www.tomtam.com/

They hold a session once a week for healing cancer by distance.

 

Cheryl

oleander soup , " jrrjim " <jim.mcelroy10 wrote:

>

> I've been going down fast in the last two months. I can't eat, in fact I

don't want to eat because it hurts so bad after I eat. Supplements hurt worse

than normal food.

>

> I got a CT scan. It showed no mets to liver, kidneys, spleen, lungs, stomach,

or intestines. It did show a possible tumor in the left adrenal gland. It did

show multiple mets in the menasis (sp?). The doctor said that this is probably

what is causing the pain in the guts because it is cutting off the blood supply

to the guts.

>

> I am so afraid. ANd I have no idea what to do. My whole battle plan that

worked for a year is now useless because I can't get any food or supplements

down.

>

> I would gladly try straight Budwig for awhile, but FO/CC hurts the worst of

any food I eat. I am in agony after eating it. I am so sorry, Sandra (Budwig

moderator) for picking fights with you in the past over supplements / no

supplements regarding Budwig. But for some reason, the FO/CC hurts really bad

after eating it for me -- probably a rare allergic reaction of some kind.

>

> Please forgive me, all, for any arguments I have caused or propogated in this

newsgroup over the last year.

>

> I need all of your love, help, and support more than ever. Without it, I'm

sure I only have a couple of months, if that. Please help, if you can.

>

> I am going to cross-post this in the oleander newsgroup. I hope you don't

mind.

>

[Guest guest]

Jim -

First of all, you are not going to last for only a couple of more months - we simply are not going to allow that to happen!

Now, let's start finding you some help by you telling me exactly how you hurt when you eat food, flaxseed/cottage cheese and/or supplements?

Are you perchance taking any prebiotic and probiotics or any digestive enzymes?

Let's take this a step at a time and find a solution! I may not know the solution myself, but I have some awesome resources, including a new member here whom I have known for the past few years, appeared together with in seminars, and who has over 30 years experience as an MD before changing for the past decade to a naturopathic physician because he wanted to actually heal people instead of set them up as income sources whose drugs led to more and more side effects, more and more drugs, and more and more office visits to run new tests and adjust their medications. Where do you live, Jim? My friend (Dr. Ken O'Neal) lives in Texas and may be able to visit with you personally. If not, I will be sure to solicit his advice and tap into his wonderful knowledge base.

My apologies once again to the group for my very limited participation of late - my own compressed disc/sciatica issues have severely restricted the amount of time I can comfortably (OK, not comfortably, but more like without severe agony) sit at the computer, even with a nice thick pillow cushion to sit on and a wonderful lumbar support device.

I AM making slow but fairly steady progress ("slow" being the operative word), and promise to try to catch up as best I can as soon as I can.

Hugs to all,

oleander soup , "jrrjim" <jim.mcelroy10 wrote:>> I've been going down fast in the last two months. I can't eat, in fact I don't want to eat because it hurts so bad after I eat. Supplements hurt worse than normal food. > > I got a CT scan. It showed no mets to liver, kidneys, spleen, lungs, stomach, or intestines. It did show a possible tumor in the left adrenal gland. It did show multiple mets in the menasis (sp?). The doctor said that this is probably what is causing the pain in the guts because it is cutting off the blood supply to the guts.> > I am so afraid. ANd I have no idea what to do. My whole battle plan that worked for a year is now useless because I can't get any food or supplements down.> > I would gladly try straight Budwig for awhile, but FO/CC hurts the worst of any food I eat. I am in agony after eating it. I am so sorry, Sandra (Budwig moderator) for picking fights with you in the past over supplements / no supplements regarding Budwig. But for some reason, the FO/CC hurts really bad after eating it for me -- probably a rare allergic reaction of some kind.> > Please forgive me, all, for any arguments I have caused or propogated in this newsgroup over the last year.> > I need all of your love, help, and support more than ever. Without it, I'm sure I only have a couple of months, if that. Please help, if you can.> > I am going to cross-post this in the oleander newsgroup. I hope you don't mind.>

[Guest guest]

You know, you can put all supplements on externally and they will get into your system that way. There is a woman on a list that takes baths and puts all her vitamins and minerals in the bath water, and soaks in that. And you can put them in liquid form, right on your skin. If you want you can put a little bit of DMSO mixed with CS over the top and the DMSO will drive the supplements quickly into the blood.

 

Good luck and you are in my prayers.

 

Samala,

Renee

 

----

 

 

I need all of your love, help, and support more than ever. Without it, I'm sure I only have a couple of months, if that. Please help, if you can.

 

[Guest guest]

Tony,

 

This is likely a time when enzymes and probiotics are not relevant to the situation. This is probably a type of angina triggered by a bolus of food, or even supplements, in the stomach which would normally trigger an increased blood supply to the the digestive organs. In Jim's case the blood supply is compromised by compression and the tissue cannot receive the blood. It would be similar to cutting off blood to a beating heart and every bit as painful.

This type of pain is profound, deep and hard to localize.

There might be a way around this and I will be "talking" to Jim off list.

 

Mike--- On Sat, 6/13/09, Tony wrote:

Tony Re: Help, pleaseoleander soup Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 4:31 PM

 

 

 

Jim -

First of all, you are not going to last for only a couple of more months - we simply are not going to allow that to happen!

Now, let's start finding you some help by you telling me exactly how you hurt when you eat food, flaxseed/cottage cheese and/or supplements?

Are you perchance taking any prebiotic and probiotics or any digestive enzymes?

Let's take this a step at a time and find a solution! I may not know the solution myself, but I have some awesome resources, including a new member here whom I have known for the past few years, appeared together with in seminars, and who has over 30 years experience as an MD before changing for the past decade to a naturopathic physician because he wanted to actually heal people instead of set them up as income sources whose drugs led to more and more side effects, more and more drugs, and more and more office visits to run new tests and adjust their medications. Where do you live, Jim? My friend (Dr. Ken O'Neal) lives in Texas and may be able to visit with you personally. If not, I will be sure to solicit his advice and tap into his wonderful knowledge base.

My apologies once again to the group for my very limited participation of late - my own compressed disc/sciatica issues have severely restricted the amount of time I can comfortably (OK, not comfortably, but more like without severe agony) sit at the computer, even with a nice thick pillow cushion to sit on and a wonderful lumbar support device.

I AM making slow but fairly steady progress ("slow" being the operative word), and promise to try to catch up as best I can as soon as I can.

Hugs to all,

oleander soup, "jrrjim" <jim.mcelroy10@ ...> wrote:>> I've been going down fast in the last two months. I can't eat, in fact I don't want to eat because it hurts so bad after I eat. Supplements hurt worse than normal food. > > I got a CT scan. It showed no mets to liver, kidneys, spleen, lungs, stomach, or intestines. It did show a possible tumor in the left adrenal gland. It did show multiple mets in the menasis (sp?). The doctor said that this is probably what is causing the pain in the guts because it is cutting off the blood supply to the guts.> > I am so afraid. ANd I have no idea what to do. My whole battle plan that worked for a year is now useless because I can't get any food or supplements down.> > I would gladly try straight Budwig for awhile, but FO/CC hurts the worst of any food I eat. I am in agony after eating it. I am so sorry, Sandra (Budwig

moderator) for picking fights with you in the past over supplements / no supplements regarding Budwig. But for some reason, the FO/CC hurts really bad after eating it for me -- probably a rare allergic reaction of some kind.> > Please forgive me, all, for any arguments I have caused or propogated in this newsgroup over the last year.> > I need all of your love, help, and support more than ever. Without it, I'm sure I only have a couple of months, if that. Please help, if you can.> > I am going to cross-post this in the oleander newsgroup. I hope you don't mind.>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jim.

 

I'm so sorry you suffer so much, and i'm sure one or all of us will come up with a solution to your problem. my suggestion is to mix a teaspoon Iodine, one teaspoon Magnesium liquid and one DMSO, Mixed well and apply to the painful area.

 

I so hope this help you, and as Tony said we won't let anything happen to you.

 

Hugs Mary

 

-

jrrjim

oleander soup

Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:54 AM

Help, please

 

 

I've been going down fast in the last two months. I can't eat, in fact I don't want to eat because it hurts so bad after I eat. Supplements hurt worse than normal food. I got a CT scan. It showed no mets to liver, kidneys, spleen, lungs, stomach, or intestines. It did show a possible tumor in the left adrenal gland. It did show multiple mets in the menasis (sp?). The doctor said that this is probably what is causing the pain in the guts because it is cutting off the blood supply to the guts.I am so afraid. ANd I have no idea what to do. My whole battle plan that worked for a year is now useless because I can't get any food or supplements down.I would gladly try straight Budwig for awhile, but FO/CC hurts the worst of any food I eat. I am in agony after eating it. I am so sorry, Sandra (Budwig moderator) for picking fights with you in the past over supplements / no supplements regarding Budwig. But for some reason, the FO/CC hurts really bad after eating it for me -- probably a rare allergic reaction of some kind.Please forgive me, all, for any arguments I have caused or propogated in this newsgroup over the last year.I need all of your love, help, and support more than ever. Without it, I'm sure I only have a couple of months, if that. Please help, if you can.I am going to cross-post this in the oleander newsgroup. I hope you don't mind.

[Guest guest]

WE LOVE YOU!

 

oleander soup , " jrrjim " <jim.mcelroy10 wrote:

>

> I've been going down fast in the last two months. I can't eat, in fact I

don't want to eat because it hurts so bad after I eat. Supplements hurt worse

than normal food.

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much, Tony for your help and support.

 

I am going to try to up my intake of probiotics, and try anything else I can to

help this situation.

 

I need to either shrink these tumors or, as Mike suggested, have some sort of

bypass of the blocked blood supply.

 

Tony -- I live near Chico, California, which is about 90 miles north of

Sacramento, and about 150 miles north-northeast of San Francisco.

 

I am wondering if I need to go to a Paw Paw protocol for a month, then back to a

high ATP protocol.

 

I definitely need to do my juicing.

 

Thanks all for the love! May it be returned 1000 fold in your lives!

 

oleander soup , " Tony " wrote:

>

>

> Jim -

>

> First of all, you are not going to last for only a couple of more months

> - we simply are not going to allow that to happen!

>

> Now, let's start finding you some help by you telling me exactly how you

> hurt when you eat food, flaxseed/cottage cheese and/or supplements?

>

> Are you perchance taking any prebiotic and probiotics or any digestive

> enzymes?

>

> Let's take this a step at a time and find a solution! I may not know

> the solution myself, but I have some awesome resources, including a new

> member here whom I have known for the past few years, appeared together

> with in seminars, and who has over 30 years experience as an MD before

> changing for the past decade to a naturopathic physician because he

> wanted to actually heal people instead of set them up as income sources

> whose drugs led to more and more side effects, more and more drugs, and

> more and more office visits to run new tests and adjust their

> medications. Where do you live, Jim? My friend (Dr. Ken O'Neal) lives

> in Texas and may be able to visit with you personally. If not, I will

> be sure to solicit his advice and tap into his wonderful knowledge base.

>

> My apologies once again to the group for my very limited participation

> of late - my own compressed disc/sciatica issues have severely

> restricted the amount of time I can comfortably (OK, not comfortably,

> but more like without severe agony) sit at the computer, even with a

> nice thick pillow cushion to sit on and a wonderful lumbar support

> device.

>

> I AM making slow but fairly steady progress ( " slow " being the operative

> word), and promise to try to catch up as best I can as soon as I can.

>

> Hugs to all,

>

> >

> oleander soup , " jrrjim " <jim.mcelroy10@> wrote:

> >

> > I've been going down fast in the last two months. I can't eat, in fact

> I don't want to eat because it hurts so bad after I eat. Supplements

> hurt worse than normal food.

> >

> > I got a CT scan. It showed no mets to liver, kidneys, spleen, lungs,

> stomach, or intestines. It did show a possible tumor in the left adrenal

> gland. It did show multiple mets in the menasis (sp?). The doctor said

> that this is probably what is causing the pain in the guts because it is

> cutting off the blood supply to the guts.

> >

> > I am so afraid. ANd I have no idea what to do. My whole battle plan

> that worked for a year is now useless because I can't get any food or

> supplements down.

> >

> > I would gladly try straight Budwig for awhile, but FO/CC hurts the

> worst of any food I eat. I am in agony after eating it. I am so sorry,

> Sandra (Budwig moderator) for picking fights with you in the past over

> supplements / no supplements regarding Budwig. But for some reason, the

> FO/CC hurts really bad after eating it for me -- probably a rare

> allergic reaction of some kind.

> >

> > Please forgive me, all, for any arguments I have caused or propogated

> in this newsgroup over the last year.

> >

> > I need all of your love, help, and support more than ever. Without it,

> I'm sure I only have a couple of months, if that. Please help, if you

> can.

> >

> > I am going to cross-post this in the oleander newsgroup. I hope you

> don't mind.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Very best wishes Jim. You're on to it!Always enjoy your humour!Love, Mara--- On Mon, 6/15/09, jrrjim <jim.mcelroy10 wrote:

[Guest guest]

Thank you Cheryl. I have metastatic colon cancer and there are mets in the

lining of the intestine. As Mike pointed out, these cause a pain due to a

starving of oxygen to those tissues, and that pain is almost impossible to deal

with.

 

Emotionally, I think there is a lot of anger there. I also know that there is a

fear of abandonment that runs very deep in me.

 

I did an EFT session a few days ago, and the following came up for me during the

session. I don't know how much is real, but emotionally it is all real for me:

 

1. I had a pyloris operation when I was one month old to relieve pyloris

stenosis. (Fact)

 

2. During the operation they probably did not use enough anasthesia, and it

registered in my brain as being tortured to death at one month old. (Imagined?)

 

3. I was left largely alone and unattended in an Army hospital for 2 - 3 weeks

after the operation with very little touch or caring (largely fact). THis

caused an absolute terror of abandonment.

 

4. The neglect in the hospital was so complete that at one point they tied off

my leg to look for a vein, then forgot about this for many hours. This caused

the blood supply to my right foot to be cut off to the point where gangrene set

in on my right big toe and I lost half of that big toe to the gangrene. (Fact).

This caused, again, a terror of, and rage against abandonment. (Actually, I am

not sure if it was the tie-off that caused the lack of blood, or perhaps they

already inserted the needle and had tape holding the needle in place that was

so tight that it caused the same effect -- at any rate, something very bad

happened, which my mangled right big toe serves as evidence for.)

 

These emotional issues are so powerful that they produce an absolute panic in me

as I try to deal with the pain of my illness, and the possibility of death

approaching very soon.

 

 

God bless you all.

 

 

 

oleander soup , " cherylcampbell55 " <cheryl.s.campbell

wrote:

>

> Hi Jrrjim,

> If you could tell me a bit more about your cancer I will do some surrogate EFT

(Emotional Freedom Technique ) on your pain. If the cancer has moved to the

adrenal it can be extremely painful. Rubbing the area with Magnesium oil and/or

applying heat might help. There is also a website online :

> http://www.tomtam.com/

> They hold a session once a week for healing cancer by distance.

>

> Cheryl

[Guest guest]

I assume you are able to drink water. If so, get some spirulina powder and put

just a little bit in the water. You can increase the amount as you adjust to it.

 

It is a very concentrated nutrient source and very easy to digest. It's used by

the World Health Organization to feed very malnourished babies who usually have

trouble eating other food or formula. In animal studies it was found superior to

mother's milk.

 

Ruth

 

oleander soup , " jrrjim " <jim.mcelroy10 wrote:

>

> I've been going down fast in the last two months. I can't eat, in fact I

don't want to eat because it hurts so bad after I eat. Supplements hurt worse

than normal food.

>

> I got a CT scan. It showed no mets to liver, kidneys, spleen, lungs, stomach,

or intestines. It did show a possible tumor in the left adrenal gland. It did

show multiple mets in the menasis (sp?). The doctor said that this is probably

what is causing the pain in the guts because it is cutting off the blood supply

to the guts.

>

> I am so afraid. ANd I have no idea what to do. My whole battle plan that

worked for a year is now useless because I can't get any food or supplements

down.

>

> I would gladly try straight Budwig for awhile, but FO/CC hurts the worst of

any food I eat. I am in agony after eating it. I am so sorry, Sandra (Budwig

moderator) for picking fights with you in the past over supplements / no

supplements regarding Budwig. But for some reason, the FO/CC hurts really bad

after eating it for me -- probably a rare allergic reaction of some kind.

>

> Please forgive me, all, for any arguments I have caused or propogated in this

newsgroup over the last year.

>

> I need all of your love, help, and support more than ever. Without it, I'm

sure I only have a couple of months, if that. Please help, if you can.

>

> I am going to cross-post this in the oleander newsgroup. I hope you don't

mind.

>

[Guest guest]

Bless your heart Jim, the events, such as you described, follow us for the rest of our lives. Is the EFT helping with your fears, as this is what the main problem is. Fear. And in this crisis situation, the fear of abandonment has surfaced full force.Please know that we are all here for you, that you are loved. My prayers are with you.

[Guest guest]

I don't know if this could possibly be of any help. A little over a year ago I experienced a rapid loss of my eyesight. In my right eye it took less than 2 weeks to completely lose all sight. I went to the top specialist at UCLA and was told that something was reducing the oxygen to the optic disk and the optic disk was dying. Once the disk died there was nothing that could be done to restore the lost sight. Two MRI's showed no problems and I was told that there was nothing that could be done. A few months later I started losing the sight in my left eye. Again the specialist said that there was nothing that could be done but he offered to try high dose steroid IV treatments but said that they should have no affect on my condition. However, after the IV's ,the loss of sight stopped and today I still have partial sight in the left eye.

The point of my tale is not the steroid treatment. The doctors never found the cause for my sight loss nor did they have any suggestions on what to do to prevent a recurrence. I started looking for options on my own and now take a number of supplements that I believe will help. But one of the most disappointing discoveries I found was hydrogen peroxide supplementation. Disappointing because I believe that ingesting or inhaling hydrogen peroxide at the time I was losing my sight would have probably prevented the progression of the sight loss and given me time to find more permanent solutions. I could kick myself for being so ignorant of hydrogen peroxide at the time and I wonder why high powered medical specialists could not suggest such a simple remedy.

Hydrogen peroxide is great at increasing the saturation of oxygen in the tissues. Maybe in your case an enema using diluted hydrogen peroxide might help? I don't know but I will pray that you find something to help you.

- Steve

 

 

oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of jrrjimTuesday, June 16, 2009 10:08 AMoleander soup Subject: Re: Help, please

Thank you Cheryl. I have metastatic colon cancer and there are mets in the lining of the intestine. As Mike pointed out, these cause a pain due to a starving of oxygen to those tissues, and that pain is almost impossible to deal with.Emotionally, I think there is a lot of anger there. I also know that there is a fear of abandonment that runs very deep in me.I did an EFT session a few days ago, and the following came up for me during the session. I don't know how much is real, but emotionally it is all real for me:1. I had a pyloris operation when I was one month old to relieve pyloris stenosis. (Fact)2. During the operation they probably did not use enough anasthesia, and it registered in my brain as being tortured to death at one month old. (Imagined?)3. I was left largely alone and unattended in an Army hospital for 2 - 3 weeks after the operation with very little touch or caring (largely fact). THis caused an absolute terror of abandonment. 4. The neglect in the hospital was so complete that at one point they tied off my leg to look for a vein, then forgot about this for many hours. This caused the blood supply to my right foot to be cut off to the point where gangrene set in on my right big toe and I lost half of that big toe to the gangrene. (Fact). This caused, again, a terror of, and rage against abandonment. (Actually, I am not sure if it was the tie-off that caused the lack of blood, or perhaps they already inserted the needle and had tape holding the needle in place that was so tight that it caused the same effect -- at any rate, something very bad happened, which my mangled right big toe serves as evidence for.)These emotional issues are so powerful that they produce an absolute panic in me as I try to deal with the pain of my illness, and the possibility of death approaching very soon.God bless you all.

[Guest guest]

Steve, interesting about the hydrogen peroxide. I was wondering if it would

help me with my problem, I can't smell or taste any thing, this has been going

on now for almost a year. I tried the colloidal silver spray (I take the silver

on a daily basis) and it did not help. Would I mix it with distilled water or

just use the 3% peroxide?

 

Mary

 

 

oleander soup , " Norton, Steve " <stephen.norton wrote:

>

> I don't know if this could possibly be of any help. A little over a year

> ago I experienced a rapid loss of my eyesight. In my right eye it took

> less than 2 weeks to completely lose all sight. I went to the top

> specialist at UCLA and was told that something was reducing the oxygen

> to the optic disk and the optic disk was dying. Once the disk died there

> was nothing that could be done to restore the lost sight. Two MRI's

> showed no problems and I was told that there was nothing that could be

> done. A few months later I started losing the sight in my left eye.

> Again the specialist said that there was nothing that could be done but

> he offered to try high dose steroid IV treatments but said that they

> should have no affect on my condition. However, after the IV's ,the loss

> of sight stopped and today I still have partial sight in the left eye.

> The point of my tale is not the steroid treatment. The doctors never

> found the cause for my sight loss nor did they have any suggestions on

> what to do to prevent a recurrence. I started looking for options on my

> own and now take a number of supplements that I believe will help. But

> one of the most disappointing discoveries I found was hydrogen peroxide

> supplementation. Disappointing because I believe that ingesting or

> inhaling hydrogen peroxide at the time I was losing my sight would have

> probably prevented the progression of the sight loss and given me time

> to find more permanent solutions. I could kick myself for being so

> ignorant of hydrogen peroxide at the time and I wonder why high powered

> medical specialists could not suggest such a simple remedy.

> Hydrogen peroxide is great at increasing the saturation of oxygen in the

> tissues. Maybe in your case an enema using diluted hydrogen peroxide

> might help? I don't know but I will pray that you find something to help

> you.

> - Steve

>

> ________________________________

>

> oleander soup oleander soup

> On Behalf Of jrrjim

> Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:08 AM

> oleander soup

> Re: Help, please

>

>

>

> <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=14348479/grpspId=1705060814/

> msgId=15873/stime=1245172083/nc1=4025291/nc2=3848641/nc3=5522125> Thank

> you Cheryl. I have metastatic colon cancer and there are mets in the

> lining of the intestine. As Mike pointed out, these cause a pain due to

> a starving of oxygen to those tissues, and that pain is almost

> impossible to deal with.

>

> Emotionally, I think there is a lot of anger there. I also know that

> there is a fear of abandonment that runs very deep in me.

>

> I did an EFT session a few days ago, and the following came up for me

> during the session. I don't know how much is real, but emotionally it is

> all real for me:

>

> 1. I had a pyloris operation when I was one month old to relieve pyloris

> stenosis. (Fact)

>

> 2. During the operation they probably did not use enough anasthesia, and

> it registered in my brain as being tortured to death at one month old.

> (Imagined?)

>

> 3. I was left largely alone and unattended in an Army hospital for 2 - 3

> weeks after the operation with very little touch or caring (largely

> fact). THis caused an absolute terror of abandonment.

>

> 4. The neglect in the hospital was so complete that at one point they

> tied off my leg to look for a vein, then forgot about this for many

> hours. This caused the blood supply to my right foot to be cut off to

> the point where gangrene set in on my right big toe and I lost half of

> that big toe to the gangrene. (Fact). This caused, again, a terror of,

> and rage against abandonment. (Actually, I am not sure if it was the

> tie-off that caused the lack of blood, or perhaps they already inserted

> the needle and had tape holding the needle in place that was so tight

> that it caused the same effect -- at any rate, something very bad

> happened, which my mangled right big toe serves as evidence for.)

>

> These emotional issues are so powerful that they produce an absolute

> panic in me as I try to deal with the pain of my illness, and the

> possibility of death approaching very soon.

>

> God bless you all.

>

[Guest guest]

Mary,

 

Do not try to drink 3% hydrogen peroxide. It is far too strong. You will be surprised at how little hydrogen peroxide it takes to make a difference. From http://www.tuberose.com/Hydrogen_Peroxide.html:

 

 

"Ingestion of Hydrogen Peroxide

Hyrdogen peroxide can be taken orally if diluted with water to 1/200 or less, absorbed through the skin by bathing in it (1-8 pints of 3% H2O2 in a standard size tub half full), or in severe cases it can be injected (250 cc of .075% to .15%, or roughly 1/1300 to 1/650). Injections obviously require an adept physician's assistance, but self-treatment is possible with oral and skin applications. The principle is the same as with ozone blood treatment. All hostile microorganisms prefer lower oxygen levels than the body's cells require for remaining healthy. Boosting the oxygen level revitalizes normal cells while destroying opportunistic scavengers. Instead of burdening an already overburdened liver and immune system with more elaborate toxic substances, ozone simply oxidizes the molecules of toxic chemicals and in the shell of the microorganism. You can take a maintenance program of 5-25 drops in distilled water of 35% food grade H2O2 per day. For best results, people take on an empty stomach one hour before a meal or 3 hours after meals. Start with 5 drops and build up to where it suits you best. A good starting dosage is one ounce of .55 (1/200) H2O2 in water, and some will find they need to start with less. As the peroxide contacts pathogens in the stomach, it liberates free oxygen, so those with high levels of microorganisms may feel slight nausea while the reaction is occurring.

 

Some reactions to the cleansing effect can include skin eruptions, nausea, headaches, sleepiness, fever, unusual fatigue, diarrhea, head or chest cold, ear infections, boils or any other ways the body uses to liberate toxins. This is a natural cleansing of the body and usually is of a short duration as they continue to maintain your program. The dosage is increased by an ounce a day, up to five ounces on the fifth day; then, finally, up to five ounces three times daily for a week or until symptoms abate. Then the dosage is tapered back down over a five-week period. Some people with cancer take 5 ounces of H2O2 twice a day in the morning and afternoon. It can be stored in the refrigerator if you don't have children around it; otherwise store it in the freezer to prevent accidental ingestion of it (35%). It will not freeze in the freezer. Transfer an ounce or two into a small eyedropper bottle that has a glass dropper. This can also be kept in the freezer. However, the eyedropper bottle can be kept in the refrigerator.

 

Even if kept at room temperature there will be very little deterioration. When people ingest hydrogen peroxide, they often go through a healing crisis or retrace. Many times this healing crisis is more painful than the infliction itself. Many people will start the program and quit when the healing crisis hits them. Some people experience nausea while others might get headaches or skin eruptions which are associated with the toxins leaving the body too fast. Some people pass tapeworms after taking the hydrogen peroxide solution. Parasites like to live in a low oxygen environment. They don't like it when you step up the oxygen intake so they get out. The best way to get the peroxide from your fruits and vegetables is to juice them. When you drink a fresh glass of carrot juice you will get the same sensation as when you drink the solution of H2O2. You will get a warm sensation around your neck and feel flushed on your face. Drink the juice within 10 minutes because the cells have been crushed and disturbed and the peroxide is going to oxidize and change the taste. Cranberry juice is really loaded with hydrogen peroxide. The tops of beets are loaded with it because of the chlorophyll. Watermelon also has peroxide in it.

 

Hydrogen Peroxide Baths

When taking a bath in hydrogen peroxide put 1 pint of 35% hydrogen peroxide in a full tub of water and remain at least a ½ hour. Be careful about doing it at night, otherwise you will be staring at the ceiling all night because it will put so much oxygen in your system you can't sleep. It cuts down on the amount of sleep you need. Some people put 2 quarts of 35% hydrogen peroxide in a Jacuzzi or hot tub. After taking a shower, you can wring out your washcloth and soak it up with 3% peroxide and go all over your body, being careful around your eyes.

 

 

Ozone

Oxygen exists in the atmosphere as the stable O2 molecule. Natural energy forces such as lightning and ultra-violet rays from the Sun act to break the bond between the two atoms that make up the stable Oxygen molecule. Ozone (O3), a three-atom form of activated oxygen, is a normal trace element in the earth's atmosphere. Because gaseous ozone is highly reactive, it readily oxidizes organic matter and kills bacteria and molds. Nature creates ozone, which purifies the air, by electrical discharges or by lightning. In other words, ozone is created by electrical energy in air space. We've all taken a walk after a thunderstorm and experienced the clean, fresh smell in the air. That's ozone at work. Now, technology has created ozone generators. Ozone actually purifies the air through the process of oxidation. Ozone is a form of oxygen which as been electrically energized. The energy makes ozone more chemically active than oxygen. O3 actually increases the oxyhemoglobin in the blood. Most odoriferous substances (indoor air pollutants) are unsaturated which means their molecular structure is not closed and will readily combine with oxygen. Ozone actually breaks down odor-causing molecules such as hydrocarbons (HC) into water vapor (H2O). An ozone generator does not mask odors with perfume or chemicals. It oxidizes (changes the substance of) odor molecules. One drawback of ozone generators that utilize ambient air is that nitrogen is oxidized as well creating undesirable irritating nitrogen oxides. This is not the case when medical grade oxygen is used as a source gas."

Also a good source of information is: http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/hydrogen_peroxide_general.html.

I know that it says above that you must use food grade hydrogen peroxide (and I do have some myself) but you can use store bought hydrogen peroxide as long as you get a brand without preservatives added. Look for hydrogen peroxide where the only ingredient listed is purified water.

- Steve

 

 

oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of simonl332002Tuesday, June 16, 2009 11:08 AMoleander soup Subject: Re: Help, please

 

 

Steve, interesting about the hydrogen peroxide. I was wondering if it would help me with my problem, I can't smell or taste any thing, this has been going on now for almost a year. I tried the colloidal silver spray (I take the silver on a daily basis) and it did not help. Would I mix it with distilled water or just use the 3% peroxide? Maryoleander soup , "Norton, Steve" <stephen.norton wrote:>> I don't know if this could possibly be of any help. A little over a year> ago I experienced a rapid loss of my eyesight. In my right eye it took> less than 2 weeks to completely lose all sight. I went to the top> specialist at UCLA and was told that something was reducing the oxygen> to the optic disk and the optic disk was dying. Once the disk died there> was nothing that could be done to restore the lost sight. Two MRI's> showed no problems and I was told that there was nothing that could be> done. A few months later I started losing the sight in my left eye.> Again the specialist said that there was nothing that could be done but> he offered to try high dose steroid IV treatments but said that they> should have no affect on my condition. However, after the IV's ,the loss> of sight stopped and today I still have partial sight in the left eye.> The point of my tale is not the steroid treatment. The doctors never> found the cause for my sight loss nor did they have any suggestions on> what to do to prevent a recurrence. I started looking for options on my> own and now take a number of supplements that I believe will help. But> one of the most disappointing discoveries I found was hydrogen peroxide> supplementation. Disappointing because I believe that ingesting or> inhaling hydrogen peroxide at the time I was losing my sight would have> probably prevented the progression of the sight loss and given me time> to find more permanent solutions. I could kick myself for being so> ignorant of hydrogen peroxide at the time and I wonder why high powered> medical specialists could not suggest such a simple remedy.> Hydrogen peroxide is great at increasing the saturation of oxygen in the> tissues. Maybe in your case an enema using diluted hydrogen peroxide> might help? I don't know but I will pray that you find something to help> you.> - Steve> > ________________________________> > oleander soup oleander soup> On Behalf Of jrrjim> Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:08 AM> oleander soup > Re: Help, please> > > > <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=14348479/grpspId=1705060814/> msgId=15873/stime=1245172083/nc1=4025291/nc2=3848641/nc3=5522125> Thank> you Cheryl. I have metastatic colon cancer and there are mets in the> lining of the intestine. As Mike pointed out, these cause a pain due to> a starving of oxygen to those tissues, and that pain is almost> impossible to deal with.> > Emotionally, I think there is a lot of anger there. I also know that> there is a fear of abandonment that runs very deep in me.> > I did an EFT session a few days ago, and the following came up for me> during the session. I don't know how much is real, but emotionally it is> all real for me:> > 1. I had a pyloris operation when I was one month old to relieve pyloris> stenosis. (Fact)> > 2. During the operation they probably did not use enough anasthesia, and> it registered in my brain as being tortured to death at one month old.> (Imagined?)> > 3. I was left largely alone and unattended in an Army hospital for 2 - 3> weeks after the operation with very little touch or caring (largely> fact). THis caused an absolute terror of abandonment. > > 4. The neglect in the hospital was so complete that at one point they> tied off my leg to look for a vein, then forgot about this for many> hours. This caused the blood supply to my right foot to be cut off to> the point where gangrene set in on my right big toe and I lost half of> that big toe to the gangrene. (Fact). This caused, again, a terror of,> and rage against abandonment. (Actually, I am not sure if it was the> tie-off that caused the lack of blood, or perhaps they already inserted> the needle and had tape holding the needle in place that was so tight> that it caused the same effect -- at any rate, something very bad> happened, which my mangled right big toe serves as evidence for.)> > These emotional issues are so powerful that they produce an absolute> panic in me as I try to deal with the pain of my illness, and the> possibility of death approaching very soon.> > God bless you all.>

[Guest guest]

The last line should have read: "Look for hydrogen peroxide where the only inert ingredient listed is purified water."

- Steve

 

 

oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of Norton, SteveTuesday, June 16, 2009 11:23 AMoleander soup Subject: RE: Re: Help, please

 

 

 

Mary,

 

Do not try to drink 3% hydrogen peroxide. It is far too strong. You will be surprised at how little hydrogen peroxide it takes to make a difference. From http://www.tuberose.com/Hydrogen_Peroxide.html:

 

 

"Ingestion of Hydrogen Peroxide

Hyrdogen peroxide can be taken orally if diluted with water to 1/200 or less, absorbed through the skin by bathing in it (1-8 pints of 3% H2O2 in a standard size tub half full), or in severe cases it can be injected (250 cc of .075% to .15%, or roughly 1/1300 to 1/650). Injections obviously require an adept physician's assistance, but self-treatment is possible with oral and skin applications. The principle is the same as with ozone blood treatment. All hostile microorganisms prefer lower oxygen levels than the body's cells require for remaining healthy. Boosting the oxygen level revitalizes normal cells while destroying opportunistic scavengers. Instead of burdening an already overburdened liver and immune system with more elaborate toxic substances, ozone simply oxidizes the molecules of toxic chemicals and in the shell of the microorganism. You can take a maintenance program of 5-25 drops in distilled water of 35% food grade H2O2 per day. For best results, people take on an empty stomach one hour before a meal or 3 hours after meals. Start with 5 drops and build up to where it suits you best. A good starting dosage is one ounce of .55 (1/200) H2O2 in water, and some will find they need to start with less. As the peroxide contacts pathogens in the stomach, it liberates free oxygen, so those with high levels of microorganisms may feel slight nausea while the reaction is occurring.

 

Some reactions to the cleansing effect can include skin eruptions, nausea, headaches, sleepiness, fever, unusual fatigue, diarrhea, head or chest cold, ear infections, boils or any other ways the body uses to liberate toxins. This is a natural cleansing of the body and usually is of a short duration as they continue to maintain your program. The dosage is increased by an ounce a day, up to five ounces on the fifth day; then, finally, up to five ounces three times daily for a week or until symptoms abate. Then the dosage is tapered back down over a five-week period. Some people with cancer take 5 ounces of H2O2 twice a day in the morning and afternoon. It can be stored in the refrigerator if you don't have children around it; otherwise store it in the freezer to prevent accidental ingestion of it (35%). It will not freeze in the freezer. Transfer an ounce or two into a small eyedropper bottle that has a glass dropper. This can also be kept in the freezer. However, the eyedropper bottle can be kept in the refrigerator.

 

Even if kept at room temperature there will be very little deterioration. When people ingest hydrogen peroxide, they often go through a healing crisis or retrace. Many times this healing crisis is more painful than the infliction itself. Many people will start the program and quit when the healing crisis hits them. Some people experience nausea while others might get headaches or skin eruptions which are associated with the toxins leaving the body too fast. Some people pass tapeworms after taking the hydrogen peroxide solution. Parasites like to live in a low oxygen environment. They don't like it when you step up the oxygen intake so they get out. The best way to get the peroxide from your fruits and vegetables is to juice them. When you drink a fresh glass of carrot juice you will get the same sensation as when you drink the solution of H2O2. You will get a warm sensation around your neck and feel flushed on your face. Drink the juice within 10 minutes because the cells have been crushed and disturbed and the peroxide is going to oxidize and change the taste. Cranberry juice is really loaded with hydrogen peroxide. The tops of beets are loaded with it because of the chlorophyll. Watermelon also has peroxide in it.

 

Hydrogen Peroxide Baths

When taking a bath in hydrogen peroxide put 1 pint of 35% hydrogen peroxide in a full tub of water and remain at least a ½ hour. Be careful about doing it at night, otherwise you will be staring at the ceiling all night because it will put so much oxygen in your system you can't sleep. It cuts down on the amount of sleep you need. Some people put 2 quarts of 35% hydrogen peroxide in a Jacuzzi or hot tub. After taking a shower, you can wring out your washcloth and soak it up with 3% peroxide and go all over your body, being careful around your eyes.

 

 

Ozone

Oxygen exists in the atmosphere as the stable O2 molecule. Natural energy forces such as lightning and ultra-violet rays from the Sun act to break the bond between the two atoms that make up the stable Oxygen molecule. Ozone (O3), a three-atom form of activated oxygen, is a normal trace element in the earth's atmosphere. Because gaseous ozone is highly reactive, it readily oxidizes organic matter and kills bacteria and molds. Nature creates ozone, which purifies the air, by electrical discharges or by lightning. In other words, ozone is created by electrical energy in air space. We've all taken a walk after a thunderstorm and experienced the clean, fresh smell in the air. That's ozone at work. Now, technology has created ozone generators. Ozone actually purifies the air through the process of oxidation. Ozone is a form of oxygen which as been electrically energized. The energy makes ozone more chemically active than oxygen. O3 actually increases the oxyhemoglobin in the blood. Most odoriferous substances (indoor air pollutants) are unsaturated which means their molecular structure is not closed and will readily combine with oxygen. Ozone actually breaks down odor-causing molecules such as hydrocarbons (HC) into water vapor (H2O). An ozone generator does not mask odors with perfume or chemicals. It oxidizes (changes the substance of) odor molecules. One drawback of ozone generators that utilize ambient air is that nitrogen is oxidized as well creating undesirable irritating nitrogen oxides. This is not the case when medical grade oxygen is used as a source gas."

Also a good source of information is: http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/hydrogen_peroxide_general.html.

I know that it says above that you must use food grade hydrogen peroxide (and I do have some myself) but you can use store bought hydrogen peroxide as long as you get a brand without preservatives added. Look for hydrogen peroxide where the only ingredient listed is purified water.

- Steve

 

 

oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of simonl332002Tuesday, June 16, 2009 11:08 AMoleander soup Subject: Re: Help, please

 

 

Steve, interesting about the hydrogen peroxide. I was wondering if it would help me with my problem, I can't smell or taste any thing, this has been going on now for almost a year. I tried the colloidal silver spray (I take the silver on a daily basis) and it did not help. Would I mix it with distilled water or just use the 3% peroxide? Maryoleander soup , "Norton, Steve" <stephen.norton wrote:>> I don't know if this could possibly be of any help. A little over a year> ago I experienced a rapid loss of my eyesight. In my right eye it took> less than 2 weeks to completely lose all sight. I went to the top> specialist at UCLA and was told that something was reducing the oxygen> to the optic disk and the optic disk was dying. Once the disk died there> was nothing that could be done to restore the lost sight. Two MRI's> showed no problems and I was told that there was nothing that could be> done. A few months later I started losing the sight in my left eye.> Again the specialist said that there was nothing that could be done but> he offered to try high dose steroid IV treatments but said that they> should have no affect on my condition. However, after the IV's ,the loss> of sight stopped and today I still have partial sight in the left eye.> The point of my tale is not the steroid treatment. The doctors never> found the cause for my sight loss nor did they have any suggestions on> what to do to prevent a recurrence. I started looking for options on my> own and now take a number of supplements that I believe will help. But> one of the most disappointing discoveries I found was hydrogen peroxide> supplementation. Disappointing because I believe that ingesting or> inhaling hydrogen peroxide at the time I was losing my sight would have> probably prevented the progression of the sight loss and given me time> to find more permanent solutions. I could kick myself for being so> ignorant of hydrogen peroxide at the time and I wonder why high powered> medical specialists could not suggest such a simple remedy.> Hydrogen peroxide is great at increasing the saturation of oxygen in the> tissues. Maybe in your case an enema using diluted hydrogen peroxide> might help? I don't know but I will pray that you find something to help> you.> - Steve> > ________________________________> > oleander soup oleander soup> On Behalf Of jrrjim> Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:08 AM> oleander soup > Re: Help, please> > > > <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=14348479/grpspId=1705060814/> msgId=15873/stime=1245172083/nc1=4025291/nc2=3848641/nc3=5522125> Thank> you Cheryl. I have metastatic colon cancer and there are mets in the> lining of the intestine. As Mike pointed out, these cause a pain due to> a starving of oxygen to those tissues, and that pain is almost> impossible to deal with.> > Emotionally, I think there is a lot of anger there. I also know that> there is a fear of abandonment that runs very deep in me.> > I did an EFT session a few days ago, and the following came up for me> during the session. I don't know how much is real, but emotionally it is> all real for me:> > 1. I had a pyloris operation when I was one month old to relieve pyloris> stenosis. (Fact)> > 2. During the operation they probably did not use enough anasthesia, and> it registered in my brain as being tortured to death at one month old.> (Imagined?)> > 3. I was left largely alone and unattended in an Army hospital for 2 - 3> weeks after the operation with very little touch or caring (largely> fact). THis caused an absolute terror of abandonment. > > 4. The neglect in the hospital was so complete that at one point they> tied off my leg to look for a vein, then forgot about this for many> hours. This caused the blood supply to my right foot to be cut off to> the point where gangrene set in on my right big toe and I lost half of> that big toe to the gangrene. (Fact). This caused, again, a terror of,> and rage against abandonment. (Actually, I am not sure if it was the> tie-off that caused the lack of blood, or perhaps they already inserted> the needle and had tape holding the needle in place that was so tight> that it caused the same effect -- at any rate, something very bad> happened, which my mangled right big toe serves as evidence for.)> > These emotional issues are so powerful that they produce an absolute> panic in me as I try to deal with the pain of my illness, and the> possibility of death approaching very soon.> > God bless you all.>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Steve for the information on peroxide. I wasn't going to drink it but

was wonderin if I could use it as a nose spray diluted. Thanks again for the

information

 

Mary

 

 

 

 

oleander soup , " Norton, Steve " <stephen.norton wrote:

>

> Mary,

>

> Do not try to drink 3% hydrogen peroxide. It is far too strong. You will be

surprised at how little hydrogen peroxide it takes to make a difference. From

http://www.tuberose.com/Hydrogen_Peroxide.html

<http://www.tuberose.com/Hydrogen_Peroxide.html> :

>

>

> " Ingestion of Hydrogen Peroxide

>

>

> Hyrdogen peroxide can be taken orally if diluted with water to 1/200 or less,

absorbed through the skin by bathing in it (1-8 pints of 3% H2O2 in a standard

size tub half full), or in severe cases it can be injected (250 cc of .075% to

..15%, or roughly 1/1300 to 1/650). Injections obviously require an adept

physician's assistance, but self-treatment is possible with oral and skin

applications. The principle is the same as with ozone blood treatment. All

hostile microorganisms prefer lower oxygen levels than the body's cells require

for remaining healthy. Boosting the oxygen level revitalizes normal cells while

destroying opportunistic scavengers. Instead of burdening an already

overburdened liver and immune system with more elaborate toxic substances, ozone

simply oxidizes the molecules of toxic chemicals and in the shell of the

microorganism. You can take a maintenance program of 5-25 drops in distilled

water of 35% food grade H2O2 per day. For best results, people take on an empty

stomach one hour before a meal or 3 hours after meals. Start with 5 drops and

build up to where it suits you best. A good starting dosage is one ounce of .55

(1/200) H2O2 in water, and some will find they need to start with less. As the

peroxide contacts pathogens in the stomach, it liberates free oxygen, so those

with high levels of microorganisms may feel slight nausea while the reaction is

occurring.

>

> Some reactions to the cleansing effect can include skin eruptions, nausea,

headaches, sleepiness, fever, unusual fatigue, diarrhea, head or chest cold, ear

infections, boils or any other ways the body uses to liberate toxins. This is a

natural cleansing of the body and usually is of a short duration as they

continue to maintain your program. The dosage is increased by an ounce a day, up

to five ounces on the fifth day; then, finally, up to five ounces three times

daily for a week or until symptoms abate. Then the dosage is tapered back down

over a five-week period. Some people with cancer take 5 ounces of H2O2 twice a

day in the morning and afternoon. It can be stored in the refrigerator if you

don't have children around it; otherwise store it in the freezer to prevent

accidental ingestion of it (35%). It will not freeze in the freezer. Transfer an

ounce or two into a small eyedropper bottle that has a glass dropper. This can

also be kept in the freezer. However, the eyedropper bottle can be kept in the

refrigerator.

>

> Even if kept at room temperature there will be very little deterioration. When

people ingest hydrogen peroxide, they often go through a healing crisis or

retrace. Many times this healing crisis is more painful than the infliction

itself. Many people will start the program and quit when the healing crisis hits

them. Some people experience nausea while others might get headaches or skin

eruptions which are associated with the toxins leaving the body too fast. Some

people pass tapeworms after taking the hydrogen peroxide solution. Parasites

like to live in a low oxygen environment. They don't like it when you step up

the oxygen intake so they get out. The best way to get the peroxide from your

fruits and vegetables is to juice them. When you drink a fresh glass of carrot

juice you will get the same sensation as when you drink the solution of H2O2.

You will get a warm sensation around your neck and feel flushed on your face.

Drink the juice within 10 minutes because the cells have been crushed and

disturbed and the peroxide is going to oxidize and change the taste. Cranberry

juice is really loaded with hydrogen peroxide. The tops of beets are loaded with

it because of the chlorophyll. Watermelon also has peroxide in it.

>

>

> Hydrogen Peroxide Baths

>

>

> When taking a bath in hydrogen peroxide put 1 pint of 35% hydrogen peroxide in

a full tub of water and remain at least a ½ hour. Be careful about doing it at

night, otherwise you will be staring at the ceiling all night because it will

put so much oxygen in your system you can't sleep. It cuts down on the amount of

sleep you need. Some people put 2 quarts of 35% hydrogen peroxide in a Jacuzzi

or hot tub. After taking a shower, you can wring out your washcloth and soak it

up with 3% peroxide and go all over your body, being careful around your eyes.

>

>

> Ozone

>

>

> Oxygen exists in the atmosphere as the stable O2 molecule. Natural energy

forces such as lightning and ultra-violet rays from the Sun act to break the

bond between the two atoms that make up the stable Oxygen molecule. Ozone (O3),

a three-atom form of activated oxygen, is a normal trace element in the earth's

atmosphere. Because gaseous ozone is highly reactive, it readily oxidizes

organic matter and kills bacteria and molds. Nature creates ozone, which

purifies the air, by electrical discharges or by lightning. In other words,

ozone is created by electrical energy in air space. We've all taken a walk after

a thunderstorm and experienced the clean, fresh smell in the air. That's ozone

at work. Now, technology has created ozone generators. Ozone actually purifies

the air through the process of oxidation. Ozone is a form of oxygen which as

been electrically energized. The energy makes ozone more chemically active than

oxygen. O3 actually increases the oxyhemoglobin in the blood. Most odoriferous

substances (indoor air pollutants) are unsaturated which means their molecular

structure is not closed and will readily combine with oxygen. Ozone actually

breaks down odor-causing molecules such as hydrocarbons (HC) into water vapor

(H2O). An ozone generator does not mask odors with perfume or chemicals. It

oxidizes (changes the substance of) odor molecules. One drawback of ozone

generators that utilize ambient air is that nitrogen is oxidized as well

creating undesirable irritating nitrogen oxides. This is not the case when

medical grade oxygen is used as a source gas. "

>

> Also a good source of information is:

http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/hydrogen_peroxide_general.html

<http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/hydrogen_peroxide_general.html> .

> I know that it says above that you must use food grade hydrogen peroxide (and

I do have some myself) but you can use store bought hydrogen peroxide as long as

you get a brand without preservatives added. Look for hydrogen peroxide where

the only ingredient listed is purified water.

> - Steve

>

> ________________________________

>

> oleander soup oleander soup On

Behalf Of simonl332002

> Tuesday, June 16, 2009 11:08 AM

> oleander soup

> Re: Help, please

>

Steve, interesting about the hydrogen peroxide. I was wondering if it would

help me with my problem, I can't smell or taste any thing, this has been going

on now for almost a year. I tried the colloidal silver spray (I take the silver

on a daily basis) and it did not help. Would I mix it with distilled water or

just use the 3% peroxide?

>

> Mary

>

> oleander soup <oleander soup%40> ,

" Norton, Steve " <stephen.norton@> wrote:

> >

> > I don't know if this could possibly be of any help. A little over a year

> > ago I experienced a rapid loss of my eyesight. In my right eye it took

> > less than 2 weeks to completely lose all sight. I went to the top

> > specialist at UCLA and was told that something was reducing the oxygen

> > to the optic disk and the optic disk was dying. Once the disk died there

> > was nothing that could be done to restore the lost sight. Two MRI's

> > showed no problems and I was told that there was nothing that could be

> > done. A few months later I started losing the sight in my left eye.

> > Again the specialist said that there was nothing that could be done but

> > he offered to try high dose steroid IV treatments but said that they

> > should have no affect on my condition. However, after the IV's ,the loss

> > of sight stopped and today I still have partial sight in the left eye.

> > The point of my tale is not the steroid treatment. The doctors never

> > found the cause for my sight loss nor did they have any suggestions on

> > what to do to prevent a recurrence. I started looking for options on my

> > own and now take a number of supplements that I believe will help. But

> > one of the most disappointing discoveries I found was hydrogen peroxide

> > supplementation. Disappointing because I believe that ingesting or

> > inhaling hydrogen peroxide at the time I was losing my sight would have

> > probably prevented the progression of the sight loss and given me time

> > to find more permanent solutions. I could kick myself for being so

> > ignorant of hydrogen peroxide at the time and I wonder why high powered

> > medical specialists could not suggest such a simple remedy.

> > Hydrogen peroxide is great at increasing the saturation of oxygen in the

> > tissues. Maybe in your case an enema using diluted hydrogen peroxide

> > might help? I don't know but I will pray that you find something to help

> > you.

> > - Steve

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> > oleander soup <oleander soup%40>

[oleander soup <oleander soup%40> ]

> > On Behalf Of jrrjim

> > Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:08 AM

> > oleander soup <oleander soup%40>

> > Re: Help, please

> >

> >

> >

> > <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=14348479/grpspId=1705060814/

<http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=14348479/grpspId=1705060814/>

> > msgId=15873/stime=1245172083/nc1=4025291/nc2=3848641/nc3=5522125> Thank

> > you Cheryl. I have metastatic colon cancer and there are mets in the

> > lining of the intestine. As Mike pointed out, these cause a pain due to

> > a starving of oxygen to those tissues, and that pain is almost

> > impossible to deal with.

> >

> > Emotionally, I think there is a lot of anger there. I also know that

> > there is a fear of abandonment that runs very deep in me.

> >

> > I did an EFT session a few days ago, and the following came up for me

> > during the session. I don't know how much is real, but emotionally it is

> > all real for me:

> >

> > 1. I had a pyloris operation when I was one month old to relieve pyloris

> > stenosis. (Fact)

> >

> > 2. During the operation they probably did not use enough anasthesia, and

> > it registered in my brain as being tortured to death at one month old.

> > (Imagined?)

> >

> > 3. I was left largely alone and unattended in an Army hospital for 2 - 3

> > weeks after the operation with very little touch or caring (largely

> > fact). THis caused an absolute terror of abandonment.

> >

> > 4. The neglect in the hospital was so complete that at one point they

> > tied off my leg to look for a vein, then forgot about this for many

> > hours. This caused the blood supply to my right foot to be cut off to

> > the point where gangrene set in on my right big toe and I lost half of

> > that big toe to the gangrene. (Fact). This caused, again, a terror of,

> > and rage against abandonment. (Actually, I am not sure if it was the

> > tie-off that caused the lack of blood, or perhaps they already inserted

> > the needle and had tape holding the needle in place that was so tight

> > that it caused the same effect -- at any rate, something very bad

> > happened, which my mangled right big toe serves as evidence for.)

> >

> > These emotional issues are so powerful that they produce an absolute

> > panic in me as I try to deal with the pain of my illness, and the

> > possibility of death approaching very soon.

> >

> > God bless you all.

> >

>

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When ingesting Hydrogen Peroxide, it is important that you are starting with Food Grade 35% Hydrogen Peroxide and then diluting it to the desired %.

Please do not use the HP found in your local drug store or beauty supply.

Thanks,

 

Rose

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oleander soup From: stephen.nortonDate: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:23:12 -0500RE: Re: Help, please

 

 

 

Mary,

 

Do not try to drink 3% hydrogen peroxide. It is far too strong. You will be surprised at how little hydrogen peroxide it takes to make a difference. From http://www.tuberose.com/Hydrogen_Peroxide.html:

 

 

"Ingestion of Hydrogen Peroxide

Hyrdogen peroxide can be taken orally if diluted with water to 1/200 or less, absorbed through the skin by bathing in it (1-8 pints of 3% H2O2 in a standard size tub half full), or in severe cases it can be injected (250 cc of .075% to .15%, or roughly 1/1300 to 1/650). Injections obviously require an adept physician's assistance, but self-treatment is possible with oral and skin applications. The principle is the same as with ozone blood treatment. All hostile microorganisms prefer lower oxygen levels than the body's cells require for remaining healthy. Boosting the oxygen level revitalizes normal cells while destroying opportunistic scavengers. Instead of burdening an already overburdened liver and immune system with more elaborate toxic substances, ozone simply oxidizes the molecules of toxic chemicals and in the shell of the microorganism. You can take a maintenance program of 5-25 drops in distilled water of 35% food grade H2O2 per day. For best results, people take on an empty stomach one hour before a meal or 3 hours after meals. Start with 5 drops and build up to where it suits you best. A good starting dosage is one ounce of .55 (1/200) H2O2 in water, and some will find they need to start with less. As the peroxide contacts pathogens in the stomach, it liberates free oxygen, so those with high levels of microorganisms may feel slight nausea while the reaction is occurring.

 

Some reactions to the cleansing effect can include skin eruptions, nausea, headaches, sleepiness, fever, unusual fatigue, diarrhea, head or chest cold, ear infections, boils or any other ways the body uses to liberate toxins. This is a natural cleansing of the body and usually is of a short duration as they continue to maintain your program. The dosage is increased by an ounce a day, up to five ounces on the fifth day; then, finally, up to five ounces three times daily for a week or until symptoms abate. Then the dosage is tapered back down over a five-week period. Some people with cancer take 5 ounces of H2O2 twice a day in the morning and afternoon. It can be stored in the refrigerator if you don't have children around it; otherwise store it in the freezer to prevent accidental ingestion of it (35%). It will not freeze in the freezer. Transfer an ounce or two into a small eyedropper bottle that has a glass dropper. This can also be kept in the freezer. However, the eyedropper bottle can be kept in the refrigerator.

 

Even if kept at room temperature there will be very little deterioration. When people ingest hydrogen peroxide, they often go through a healing crisis or retrace. Many times this healing crisis is more painful than the infliction itself. Many people will start the program and quit when the healing crisis hits them. Some people experience nausea while others might get headaches or skin eruptions which are associated with the toxins leaving the body too fast. Some people pass tapeworms after taking the hydrogen peroxide solution. Parasites like to live in a low oxygen environment. They don't like it when you step up the oxygen intake so they get out. The best way to get the peroxide from your fruits and vegetables is to juice them. When you drink a fresh glass of carrot juice you will get the same sensation as when you drink the solution of H2O2. You will get a warm sensation around your neck and feel flushed on your face. Drink the juice within 10 minutes because the cells have been crushed and disturbed and the peroxide is going to oxidize and change the taste. Cranberry juice is really loaded with hydrogen peroxide. The tops of beets are loaded with it because of the chlorophyll. Watermelon also has peroxide in it.

 

Hydrogen Peroxide Baths

When taking a bath in hydrogen peroxide put 1 pint of 35% hydrogen peroxide in a full tub of water and remain at least a ½ hour. Be careful about doing it at night, otherwise you will be staring at the ceiling all night because it will put so much oxygen in your system you can't sleep. It cuts down on the amount of sleep you need. Some people put 2 quarts of 35% hydrogen peroxide in a Jacuzzi or hot tub. After taking a shower, you can wring out your washcloth and soak it up with 3% peroxide and go all over your body, being careful around your eyes.

 

 

Ozone

Oxygen exists in the atmosphere as the stable O2 molecule. Natural energy forces such as lightning and ultra-violet rays from the Sun act to break the bond between the two atoms that make up the stable Oxygen molecule. Ozone (O3), a three-atom form of activated oxygen, is a normal trace element in the earth's atmosphere. Because gaseous ozone is highly reactive, it readily oxidizes organic matter and kills bacteria and molds. Nature creates ozone, which purifies the air, by electrical discharges or by lightning. In other words, ozone is created by electrical energy in air space. We've all taken a walk after a thunderstorm and experienced the clean, fresh smell in the air. That's ozone at work. Now, technology has created ozone generators. Ozone actually purifies the air through the process of oxidation. Ozone is a form of oxygen which as been electrically energized. The energy makes ozone more chemically active than oxygen. O3 actually increases the oxyhemoglobin in the blood. Most odoriferous substances (indoor air pollutants) are unsaturated which means their molecular structure is not closed and will readily combine with oxygen. Ozone actually breaks down odor-causing molecules such as hydrocarbons (HC) into water vapor (H2O). An ozone generator does not mask odors with perfume or chemicals. It oxidizes (changes the substance of) odor molecules. One drawback of ozone generators that utilize ambient air is that nitrogen is oxidized as well creating undesirable irritating nitrogen oxides. This is not the case when medical grade oxygen is used as a source gas."

Also a good source of information is: http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/hydrogen_peroxide_general.html.

I know that it says above that you must use food grade hydrogen peroxide (and I do have some myself) but you can use store bought hydrogen peroxide as long as you get a brand without preservatives added. Look for hydrogen peroxide where the only ingredient listed is purified water.

- Steve

 

 

oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of simonl332002Tuesday, June 16, 2009 11:08 AMoleander soup Subject: Re: Help, please

 

 

Steve, interesting about the hydrogen peroxide. I was wondering if it would help me with my problem, I can't smell or taste any thing, this has been going on now for almost a year. I tried the colloidal silver spray (I take the silver on a daily basis) and it did not help. Would I mix it with distilled water or just use the 3% peroxide? Maryoleander soup , "Norton, Steve" <stephen.norton wrote:>> I don't know if this could possibly be of any help. A little over a year> ago I experienced a rapid loss of my eyesight. In my right eye it took> less than 2 weeks to completely lose all sight. I went to the top> specialist at UCLA and was told that something was reducing the oxygen> to the optic disk and the optic disk was dying. Once the disk died there> was nothing that could be done to restore the lost sight. Two MRI's> showed no problems and I was told that there was nothing that could be> done. A few months later I started losing the sight in my left eye.> Again the specialist said that there was nothing that could be done but> he offered to try high dose steroid IV treatments but said that they> should have no affect on my condition. However, after the IV's ,the loss> of sight stopped and today I still have partial sight in the left eye.> The point of my tale is not the steroid treatment. The doctors never> found the cause for my sight loss nor did they have any suggestions on> what to do to prevent a recurrence. I started looking for options on my> own and now take a number of supplements that I believe will help. But> one of the most disappointing discoveries I found was hydrogen peroxide> supplementation. Disappointing because I believe that ingesting or> inhaling hydrogen peroxide at the time I was losing my sight would have> probably prevented the progression of the sight loss and given me time> to find more permanent solutions. I could kick myself for being so> ignorant of hydrogen peroxide at the time and I wonder why high powered> medical specialists could not suggest such a simple remedy.> Hydrogen peroxide is great at increasing the saturation of oxygen in the> tissues. Maybe in your case an enema using diluted hydrogen peroxide> might help? I don't know but I will pray that you find something to help> you.> - Steve> > ________________________________> > oleander soup oleander soup> On Behalf Of jrrjim> Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:08 AM> oleander soup > Re: Help, please> > > > <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=14348479/grpspId=1705060814/> msgId=15873/stime=1245172083/nc1=4025291/nc2=3848641/nc3=5522125> Thank> you Cheryl. I have metastatic colon cancer and there are mets in the> lining of the intestine. As Mike pointed out, these cause a pain due to> a starving of oxygen to those tissues, and that pain is almost> impossible to deal with.> > Emotionally, I think there is a lot of anger there. I also know that> there is a fear of abandonment that runs very deep in me.> > I did an EFT session a few days ago, and the following came up for me> during the session. I don't know how much is real, but emotionally it is> all real for me:> > 1. I had a pyloris operation when I was one month old to relieve pyloris> stenosis. (Fact)> > 2. During the operation they probably did not use enough anasthesia, and> it registered in my brain as being tortured to death at one month old.> (Imagined?)> > 3. I was left largely alone and unattended in an Army hospital for 2 - 3> weeks after the operation with very little touch or caring (largely> fact). THis caused an absolute terror of abandonment. > > 4. The neglect in the hospital was so complete that at one point they> tied off my leg to look for a vein, then forgot about this for many> hours. This caused the blood supply to my right foot to be cut off to> the point where gangrene set in on my right big toe and I lost half of> that big toe to the gangrene. (Fact). This caused, again, a terror of,> and rage against abandonment. (Actually, I am not sure if it was the> tie-off that caused the lack of blood, or perhaps they already inserted> the needle and had tape holding the needle in place that was so tight> that it caused the same effect -- at any rate, something very bad> happened, which my mangled right big toe serves as evidence for.)> > These emotional issues are so powerful that they produce an absolute> panic in me as I try to deal with the pain of my illness, and the> possibility of death approaching very soon.> > God bless you all.>

 

 

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Mary,

I have also used an inhaler per the info at: http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/hydrogen_peroxide_inhalation.html.

My preferred method of inhalation is using a nebulizer with half CS and half 3% hydrogen peroxide. I also know of some that prefer using hydrogen peroxide in a small ultrasonic humidifier.

- Steve

 

 

oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of simonl332002Tuesday, June 16, 2009 11:31 AMoleander soup Subject: Re: Help, please

Thanks Steve for the information on peroxide. I wasn't going to drink it but was wonderin if I could use it as a nose spray diluted. Thanks again for the information Mary

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Bach Flower Remedies are specific for emotions.

Mimulus is for known fears.

 

Take a look in an book or on line for descriptions of all the remedies.

It's fascinating.

 

In homeopathy, one can start with Pulsatilla. ( abandonment issues )

 

Rich

 

Oh yes.... EFT is a useful method too.

 

 

In a message dated 6/16/2009 1:34:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, luellamay129 writes:

 

 

 

 

Bless your heart Jim, the events, such as you described, follow us for the rest of our lives. Is the EFT helping with your fears, as this is what the main problem is. Fear. And in this crisis situation, the fear of abandonment has surfaced full force.Please know that we are all here for you, that you are loved. My prayers are with you.

 

 

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