Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 For the china scholars, is there narrative devoted to the topic of prevention? Pamela Zilavy Pamela: One of the first places you could start looking for this sort of discussion is Catherine Despeux's article, " The System of the Five Circulatory Phases and the Six Seasonal Influences (wuyun liuqi), A Source of Innovation in Medicine After the Song (960-1279). " To quote at length: [begin quote] " In the eleventh and twelfth centuries, the application of the circulatory phases and the seasonal influences was manifest above all in the domain of pharmacotherapy. It prompted a systematization of correspondences in the materia medica, in the principles underlying the interrelations between the drugs and the formulae in which they were used. In the case of certain pathologies at least, the establishment of a prescription for a pathology was based on a more sophisticated theoretical system that combined correspondences with the five circulatory phases and the six influences. The system furthermore made it possible to pick out a selection of prescriptions that could be used equally well for their prophylactic or for their therapeutic effects, depending on the circuit phase of the year. That is precisely what Chen Yan does in his Sanyin fang: he lists ten formulae to be prescribed in accordance with the celestial stem of the year on the basis of which the annual circulatory phase is defined, and six formulae that correspond to the six influences. " [end quote] Some of us still work with this methodology even though convention has changed and contemporary students are no longer informed of it. Jim Ramholz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 This is a wonderful idea. Not so successful in my neck of the woods, though. I treat a rural, older population, mostly ranchers, blue-collar folks. They are only interested in taking away pain so they can get back to work. So I oblige them. I have a reputation now as a no-nonsense, quick healer who will resolve pain without making them permanent clients of mine (unlike a few -- though not all -- of the chiros in town.) If you look at our culture here in the states, it is not MD's who are the problem re preventive medicine, it is the patient population. People don't exercise, watch too much TV, drink Pepsi all day, and are obese and sick. I don't see how they will cotton to spending money regularly in my office to stay healthy when they won't even do FREE things for themselves to stay alive. Just my humble opinion. -Ben Hawes > Message: 19 > Mon, 21 Mar 2005 23:01:40 -0700 > dkakobad <dkaikobad > Re: Re: The Baby or the Bath Water > > Here is a TCM dilemma which has been around since forever and has served > to entertain > practitioners. > > If there is a glaring symptom complex large as a pink elephant, should > one treat that, or > seek out the Design of the illness, even when it is less obvious than > the falling of an > autumn leaf. > > This post is meant to provoke thought, and less to criticize healers who > have successfully used > the symptomatic approach. > > If there is migraine, should one, after having settled the attack, work > with LU which > may be at the back of things, or just deal with the episodes as they > occur again > and again? > > If there are a series of symptoms, should one allay these one after the > other, like > a never ending domino, or get to the bottom of it, and say, fins an > adrenal > exhaustion. > > Should we work with pain in a simplistic manner to allay it or deal with > the more complex reasons this keeps happening? > > Should we be needle wielders, or exquisite un ravellers of the warp and > woof of illness? > > Should we be, in the end, the after the fact patcher uppers, or as the > ancient texts exhort, > " those who prevent illness before it happens " category of superior > healers? > > The choice is ours. The burden, the patient's. > > Dr. Holmes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Benjamin raised valid points. Everything, everything, everything is a delicate yin/yang balance. Is it our responsibility to educate patients who come to us for simple pain relief about the value of long-range prevention or to simply provide the service they came to us for minus the unsolicited lecture? As for the old root vs. branch debate, why must we frame it in either/or terms? As a pragmatic approach, I often first concentrate most of my attention on getting symptom relief and less on the longer range root - perhaps 80%branch and 20% root - if I could put overly-simplified numbers on it. As the symptoms improve and my patients gain confidence in my ability and opinion, I begin to shift this balance more and more to the root side while educating the patient about the virtues of such far-sighted treatment. Some will take me up on the offer to continue health-building preventative treatment. Others will smile, thank me and then not show up for any more treatments after their symptoms have subsided. Each of us, I believe, must find our own peace with our own delicate balancing acts. - Matthew Bauer - Benjamin Hawes Chinese Medicine Tuesday, March 22, 2005 8:59 AM RE: prevention This is a wonderful idea. Not so successful in my neck of the woods, though. I treat a rural, older population, mostly ranchers, blue-collar folks. They are only interested in taking away pain so they can get back to work. So I oblige them. I have a reputation now as a no-nonsense, quick healer who will resolve pain without making them permanent clients of mine (unlike a few -- though not all -- of the chiros in town.) If you look at our culture here in the states, it is not MD's who are the problem re preventive medicine, it is the patient population. People don't exercise, watch too much TV, drink Pepsi all day, and are obese and sick. I don't see how they will cotton to spending money regularly in my office to stay healthy when they won't even do FREE things for themselves to stay alive. Just my humble opinion. -Ben Hawes > Message: 19 > Mon, 21 Mar 2005 23:01:40 -0700 > dkakobad <dkaikobad > Re: Re: The Baby or the Bath Water > > Here is a TCM dilemma which has been around since forever and has served > to entertain > practitioners. > > If there is a glaring symptom complex large as a pink elephant, should > one treat that, or > seek out the Design of the illness, even when it is less obvious than > the falling of an > autumn leaf. > > This post is meant to provoke thought, and less to criticize healers who > have successfully used > the symptomatic approach. > > If there is migraine, should one, after having settled the attack, work > with LU which > may be at the back of things, or just deal with the episodes as they > occur again > and again? > > If there are a series of symptoms, should one allay these one after the > other, like > a never ending domino, or get to the bottom of it, and say, fins an > adrenal > exhaustion. > > Should we work with pain in a simplistic manner to allay it or deal with > the more complex reasons this keeps happening? > > Should we be needle wielders, or exquisite un ravellers of the warp and > woof of illness? > > Should we be, in the end, the after the fact patcher uppers, or as the > ancient texts exhort, > " those who prevent illness before it happens " category of superior > healers? > > The choice is ours. The burden, the patient's. > > Dr. Holmes http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other academics, click on this link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Hi Ben Treat the essential design and the matter clears up quicker than with just treating the pain. It is the treatment of symptoms which creates longer healing cycle and more frequent relapses. Take for instance a refugee woman , we have a Refugee Free Clinic for Women. She comes in, single mom, with a rumple headed kid in tow. Complains of neck pain and stiffness of 4 years duration off and on, nothing helps, end of the road. Everything points to a HT Offended unipolar condition, refugee folk go through terrors of ravage and overwhelming sadness. She still smiles! Had her stand with back to us, shoulders bare, translator in tow, saw L shoulder some 2 inches higher than R, with an obliging tilt in L hip. L GB 21 was tighter than a wooden bole. Treated her with Trigger Release protocol, nothing fancy, and the shoulder levels out. She had the Dickens of a time dealing with the fact that the pain is no more! It took 3 turns, we saw them Sundays, to rid her of the problem. Then we got on to the HT thing but it was all downhill. In 5 turns there was nothing left to treat except heartbreak of losing home, and there is no remedy for that. Holmes. Benjamin Hawes wrote: > This is a wonderful idea. Not so successful in my neck of the woods, > though. > I treat a rural, older population, mostly ranchers, blue-collar folks. > They > are only interested in taking away pain so they can get back to work. So I > oblige them. I have a reputation now as a no-nonsense, quick healer > who will > resolve pain without making them permanent clients of mine (unlike a > few -- > though not all -- of the chiros in town.) If you look at our culture > here in > the states, it is not MD's who are the problem re preventive medicine, > it is > the patient population. People don't exercise, watch too much TV, drink > Pepsi all day, and are obese and sick. I don't see how they will cotton to > spending money regularly in my office to stay healthy when they won't even > do FREE things for themselves to stay alive. Just my humble opinion. > > -Ben Hawes > > > Message: 19 > > Mon, 21 Mar 2005 23:01:40 -0700 > > dkakobad <dkaikobad > > Re: Re: The Baby or the Bath Water > > > > Here is a TCM dilemma which has been around since forever and has served > > to entertain > > practitioners. > > > > If there is a glaring symptom complex large as a pink elephant, should > > one treat that, or > > seek out the Design of the illness, even when it is less obvious than > > the falling of an > > autumn leaf. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 For instance yesterday was the Spring Equinox, and LV settled into his throne of Birch with a flag by the side flapping noisily in the Wind, and a shield with clarion words, " Ye Zounds! " . So everyone's pulse on a planetary scale got, overnight, a wiry feel, which you ran into, in all sorts of pulse positions. All over Earth people with subliminal migraine tended to attacks, irritable people went crazed, angry people tended to Rage [Minnesota school shooting?]. I would love it if this was factored into the design of things, and taken care of in autumn by regulating LU Metal if it had a tendency to be difficult. Litany. If the healer is Liverish, don't be, level yourself out. If the patient is LU type, watch it, we are tending to major LV problems. If the patient is K type, no problem, tone it up and LV will settle like a tabby kitten. If the patient is LV type, destagnate it before Heat and Fire come knocking. If the patient is HT type, things might aggravate. Treat everything but HT. If the patient is ST type, for certain there is Heat. Treat LV instead.. I believe every one of the healers has worked hard to create and apply protocols which work and work well, and it is not my role to criticize. My dream is a softly healer who presages illness when it sleeps in a bad dream in the bowels of its unkempt hag of a mother and taps it on the head and says, " Behave " , and it does. I want people to come to us and go away forever touched, not only by profound healing, but by how gently it was given, by a wise man or woman, who stands in his or her own place. At the end of story people will say, " Who were you? " And we will say, " I was me, no more, no less " . Arya Holmes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Had her stand with back to us, shoulders bare, translator in tow, saw L shoulder some 2 inches higher than R, with an obliging tilt in L hip. L GB 21 was tighter than a wooden bole. Treated her with Trigger Release protocol, nothing fancy, and the shoulder levels out. Trigger Release protocol. What is that Dr. Holms? Peter - Peter Pavolotsky Tel. (416)453-9004 peter911cm ____________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals..ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Had her stand with back to us, shoulders bare, translator in tow, saw L shoulder some 2 inches higher than R, with an obliging tilt in L hip. L GB 21 was tighter than a wooden bole. Treated her with Trigger Release protocol, nothing fancy, and the shoulder levels out. Trigger Release protocol. What is that Dr. Holms? Peter --- dkakobad <dkaikobad wrote: Hi Ben Treat the essential design and the matter clears up quicker than with just treating the pain. It is the treatment of symptoms which creates longer healing cycle and more frequent relapses. Take for instance a refugee woman , we have a Refugee Free Clinic for Women. She comes in, single mom, with a rumple headed kid in tow. Complains of neck pain and stiffness of 4 years duration off and on, nothing helps, end of the road. Everything points to a HT Offended unipolar condition, refugee folk go through terrors of ravage and overwhelming sadness. She still smiles! Had her stand with back to us, shoulders bare, translator in tow, saw L shoulder some 2 inches higher than R, with an obliging tilt in L hip. L GB 21 was tighter than a wooden bole. Treated her with Trigger Release protocol, nothing fancy, and the shoulder levels out. She had the Dickens of a time dealing with the fact that the pain is no more! It took 3 turns, we saw them Sundays, to rid her of the problem. Then we got on to the HT thing but it was all downhill. In 5 turns there was nothing left to treat except heartbreak of losing home, and there is no remedy for that. Holmes. Benjamin Hawes wrote: > This is a wonderful idea. Not so successful in my neck of the woods, > though. > I treat a rural, older population, mostly ranchers, blue-collar folks. > They > are only interested in taking away pain so they can get back to work. So I > oblige them. I have a reputation now as a no-nonsense, quick healer > who will > resolve pain without making them permanent clients of mine (unlike a > few -- > though not all -- of the chiros in town.) If you look at our culture > here in > the states, it is not MD's who are the problem re preventive medicine, > it is > the patient population. People don't exercise, watch too much TV, drink > Pepsi all day, and are obese and sick. I don't see how they will cotton to > spending money regularly in my office to stay healthy when they won't even > do FREE things for themselves to stay alive. Just my humble opinion. > > -Ben Hawes > > > Message: 19 > > Mon, 21 Mar 2005 23:01:40 -0700 > > dkakobad <dkaikobad > > Re: Re: The Baby or the Bath Water > > > > Here is a TCM dilemma which has been around since forever and has served > > to entertain > > practitioners. > > > > If there is a glaring symptom complex large as a pink elephant, should > > one treat that, or > > seek out the Design of the illness, even when it is less obvious than > > the falling of an > > autumn leaf. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Soon as I have the leisure I will explain in length. Holmes. Peter Pavolotsky wrote: > Had her stand with back to us, shoulders bare, > translator in tow, saw L shoulder some 2 inches higher > than R, with an obliging tilt in L hip. > > L GB 21 was tighter than a wooden bole. > > Treated her with Trigger Release protocol, nothing > fancy, and the shoulder levels out. > > > > Trigger Release protocol. What is that Dr. Holms? > > Peter > > > > > - > > Peter Pavolotsky > Tel. (416)453-9004 > peter911cm > > ____________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Trigger Release Protocol works with the premise that in illness the qi flow is impeded, causing it to slow down an stagnate in some places on its track, in turn creating locus es in the tissue which feel tender, dull, rough, heated, cold, raised or sunken. For this approach you need a Trigger and then another location connected in some way to it, to release it. If a well marked Trigger is release with a potent release point, the inherent illness which caused it is also released, or healed. In the woman, with the spine as the median, the left side of her body had stagnated channels, so that the L shoulder became raised. In consequence the R hip also changes positions, creating a R shoulder - L hip disorder. One of the main points to scrunch up is GB 21, which is never directly treated, but released remotely. The release points are tested against the Triggers and the ones most effective are used. The result is measured in return of the torso to the norm, and the symptoms to resolve. If the body is nosy in symmetry, very many illnesses will result, such as limb pains and dysfunction, organ and viscus problems such as stagnated LV and so on. Best Holmes. Peter Pavolotsky wrote: > Had her stand with back to us, shoulders bare, > translator in tow, saw L shoulder some 2 inches higher > than R, with an obliging tilt in L hip. > > L GB 21 was tighter than a wooden bole. > > Treated her with Trigger Release protocol, nothing > fancy, and the shoulder levels out. > > > > Trigger Release protocol. What is that Dr. Holms? > > Peter > > > > > - > > Peter Pavolotsky > Tel. (416)453-9004 > peter911cm > > ____________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Thank you, Dr. Holms Peter --- dkakobad <dkaikobad wrote: Trigger Release Protocol works with the premise that in illness the qi flow is impeded, causing it to slow down an stagnate in some places on its track, in turn creating locus es in the tissue which feel tender, dull, rough, heated, cold, raised or sunken. For this approach you need a Trigger and then another location connected in some way to it, to release it. If a well marked Trigger is release with a potent release point, the inherent illness which caused it is also released, or healed. In the woman, with the spine as the median, the left side of her body had stagnated channels, so that the L shoulder became raised. In consequence the R hip also changes positions, creating a R shoulder - L hip disorder. One of the main points to scrunch up is GB 21, which is never directly treated, but released remotely. The release points are tested against the Triggers and the ones most effective are used. The result is measured in return of the torso to the norm, and the symptoms to resolve. If the body is nosy in symmetry, very many illnesses will result, such as limb pains and dysfunction, organ and viscus problems such as stagnated LV and so on. Best Holmes. Peter Pavolotsky Tel. (416)453-9004 peter911cm ____________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals..ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Dr.Holmes wrote " One of the main points to scrunch up is GB 21, which is never directly treated, but released remotely. " Dr.Holmes I have to disagree with you here. In fact I would say that exactly the opposite is true. GB 21 is released so well by direct(but careful)needling. Ray Ford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Which is fine, I am somewhat phobic about the pneumothorax situation and would rather choose a substitute, or work it with light touch. If you choose to needle GB 21, more power to you. ray ford wrote: > Dr.Holmes wrote > " One of the main points to scrunch up is GB 21, which is never directly > treated, but > released remotely. " > > > Dr.Holmes I have to disagree with you here. In fact I would say that > exactly the opposite is true. GB 21 is released so well by direct(but > careful)needling. > Ray Ford > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Chinese Medicine , dkakobad <dkaikobad@c...> wrote: > Which is fine, I am somewhat phobic about the pneumothorax situation and > would rather choose > a substitute, or work it with light touch. > > If you choose to needle GB 21, more power to you. > this is where i step in and say: direct moxa works great here, especially combined with sotai.... back to lurking.... rh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 And I second you, the little blighters are fantastic. For Sotai do you use fire needles or just needles? Holmes kampo36 wrote: > > Chinese Medicine , dkakobad > <dkaikobad@c...> > wrote: > > Which is fine, I am somewhat phobic about the pneumothorax situation > and > > would rather choose > > a substitute, or work it with light touch. > > > > If you choose to needle GB 21, more power to you. > > > > this is where i step in and say: > > direct moxa works great here, especially combined with sotai.... > > back to lurking.... > > rh > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Chinese Medicine , dkakobad <dkaikobad@c...> wrote: > And I second you, the little blighters are fantastic. > For Sotai do you use fire needles or just needles? > Holmes > i use direct moxa (more difficult, requires precise timing) or tiger warmer (easier but more chance to blister if you do it wrong)... the key is for the heat to be felt at the moment of release. channel stretching works well with the tiger warmer too, as they stretch the channel massage along the tightened sinew with the TW. can also use distally. rh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 > kampo36 wrote: i use direct moxa (more difficult, requires precise timing) > meaning light the tiny bit and soon as it is felt extinguish? > or tiger warmer (easier but more chance to blister if you do it wrong)... the key is for the heat to be felt at the moment of release. > expalin it a little more? > channel stretching works well with the tiger warmer too, as they stretch the channel massage along the tightened sinew with the TW. can also use distally. > can use distally to lesion? a word more if you please? Holmes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 kampo36 wrote: > > > > Chinese Medicine , dkakobad <dkaikobad@c...> > wrote: > >>And I second you, the little blighters are fantastic. >>For Sotai do you use fire needles or just needles? >>Holmes >> > > > i use direct moxa (more difficult, requires precise timing) or tiger warmer (easier but more Hi Kampo! Tiger warmer? Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Chinese Medicine , dkakobad <dkaikobad@c...> wrote: > > > kampo36 wrote: > i use direct moxa (more difficult, requires precise timing) > > > meaning light the tiny bit and soon as it is felt extinguish? > if it's tiny enough it will go out when it gets to the skin. you can also tap it out -- see below. > > > or tiger warmer (easier but more chance to blister if you do it > wrong)... the key is for the heat to be felt at the moment of > release. > > > expalin it a little more? basic idea is that the client tries to move whatever body part (in this case i use the arm on the affected -- ie trigger point -- side) in the direction of greatest ease... usually either abduction or adduction in this case. you offer light resistance. you instruct the client to hold against that resistance for five seconds and then just let the arm drop (usually best to have them exhale). fine grade moxa in about a 1/2 rice grain size takes about 5 " to burn down, so you can tell the client to resist in the direction of ease, light the moxa, and count to 5 -- if the moxa is not totally burnt out you can just tap it into the skin and it will go out + they feel the heat as they release. this method requires you to place the moxa on the point before the exercise and to light it with an incense stick in one hand as the client resists your other hand, so it can be tricky unless you have an assistant. tiger warmer can be used which is a little easier. i don't think the heat penetrates as deeply but i have gotten some good results with it. best to mark the point first, then get the tiger warmer good and hot and jab the point at the moment of release. you need to have good aim and press in a little, but not too long or you'll get a burn. do it once and retest the ROM, if necessary you can you it once or twice more, but usually no more than three times. manaka hammer can work too but you need an assistant, it can't be done one-handed. > > > > channel stretching works well with the tiger warmer too, as they stretch > the > channel massage along the tightened sinew with the TW. can also use > distally. > > > can use distally to lesion? > a word more if you please? i look at this as a channel sinew tx so i usually moxa the well point of the affected channel and usually other tight points along the channel sinew. one tq i use is to set up the moxa along the sinew points and burn them sequentially -- not easy to do but when it works it really opens things up. you can use TW for this too, it's actually easier, just mark the points and jab them going up the sinew pop pop pop. i usually do this when the client is stretching the sinew, for best effect. easier still and more comfy for the client is just to massage the channel sinew while they stretch with moderate heat from the TW, doesn't get that zing though, which is sometimes necessary for really indurated points. rh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Chinese Medicine , Pete Theisen <petet@a...> wrote: > > Hi Kampo! > > Tiger warmer? > > Regards, > > Pete this is sometimes called " Thermie " and sometimes " Tiger Warmer " . it is a form of indirect moxibustion which is used as a heat massage. the apparatus is a metal cigar-shaped thingie consisting of an inner sleeve which holds a stick of compressed moxa (plus other herbs, not 100% moxa) and an outer sleeve which covers the moxa stick and inner sleeve. the end of the outer sleeve is rounded and there is a spring around the inner sleeve so you can use it as a massage tool on acupoints, trigger points, etc. people also use them for sinus congestion, as home therapy, and so on. i think Kiiko Matsumoto popularized its use. very handy tool to have. you can see a picture and description here: http://www.lhasamedical.com/page.ccml?41 i don't get any compensation from lhasa, btw rh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Chinese Medicine , " kampo36 " <kampo36> wrote: > > > you can see a picture and description here: > > http://www.lhasamedical.com/page.ccml?41 > btw i just took a look at this page and i noticed they are selling the smokeless sticks for this once again... but beware! these are HOT! i actually stopped using them for the TW and just used them like a regular moxa stick to heat smaller areas, points, etc. the regular (sook) TW sticks are not nearly as hot but the smell is very strong... if you're into smudging you'd like the smell probably, i think there is sage and some other stuff in there. rh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Hi RH, Are you talking about using rice grain moxa? Also, are you talking about doing the moxa directly onto the area of pain, eg: on GB 21, in this case? Do you need to use distal points afterward? I find H 4 is very effective for GB 21 pain, but its always nice to have other options for times when its not working. Also, I wonder if doing moxa on GB 21 followed by H 4 would be good. Thanks for the clarification-- Laura Chinese Medicine , " kampo36 " <kampo36> wrote: > > Chinese Medicine , dkakobad <dkaikobad@c...> > wrote: > > > > > kampo36 wrote: > > i use direct moxa (more difficult, requires precise timing) > > > > > meaning light the tiny bit and soon as it is felt extinguish? > > > > if it's tiny enough it will go out when it gets to the skin. you can also tap it out -- see > below. > > > > > > or tiger warmer (easier but more chance to blister if you do it > > wrong)... the key is for the heat to be felt at the moment of > > release. > > > > > expalin it a little more? > > basic idea is that the client tries to move whatever body part (in this case i use the arm on > the affected -- ie trigger point -- side) in the direction of greatest ease... usually either > abduction or adduction in this case. you offer light resistance. you instruct the client to > hold against that resistance for five seconds and then just let the arm drop (usually best to > have them exhale). > > fine grade moxa in about a 1/2 rice grain size takes about 5 " to burn down, so you can tell > the client to resist in the direction of ease, light the moxa, and count to 5 -- if the moxa is > not totally burnt out you can just tap it into the skin and it will go out + they feel the heat > as they release. > > this method requires you to place the moxa on the point before the exercise and to light it > with an incense stick in one hand as the client resists your other hand, so it can be tricky > unless you have an assistant. > > tiger warmer can be used which is a little easier. i don't think the heat penetrates as > deeply but i have gotten some good results with it. best to mark the point first, then get > the tiger warmer good and hot and jab the point at the moment of release. you need to > have good aim and press in a little, but not too long or you'll get a burn. > > do it once and retest the ROM, if necessary you can you it once or twice more, but usually > no more than three times. > > manaka hammer can work too but you need an assistant, it can't be done one-handed. > > > > > > > > channel stretching works well with the tiger warmer too, as they stretch > > the > > channel massage along the tightened sinew with the TW. can also use > > distally. > > > > > can use distally to lesion? > > a word more if you please? > > i look at this as a channel sinew tx so i usually moxa the well point of the affected channel > and usually other tight points along the channel sinew. one tq i use is to set up the moxa > along the sinew points and burn them sequentially -- not easy to do but when it works it > really opens things up. you can use TW for this too, it's actually easier, just mark the > points and jab them going up the sinew pop pop pop. i usually do this when the client is > stretching the sinew, for best effect. > > easier still and more comfy for the client is just to massage the channel sinew while they > stretch with moderate heat from the TW, doesn't get that zing though, which is > sometimes necessary for really indurated points. > > rh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Chinese Medicine , " heylaurag " <heylaurag@h...> wrote: > > Hi RH, > > Are you talking about using rice grain moxa? yes, though usually more like half rice grain (ie smaller). whatever size you need to get the heat to penetrate comfortably. >Also, are you talking > about doing the moxa directly onto the area of pain, eg: on GB 21, in > this case? Do you need to use distal points afterward? yes right on the painful or indurated point. sometimes i'll do the distal point first, it depends. > > I find H 4 is very effective for GB 21 pain, but its always nice to > have other options for times when its not working. Also, I wonder if > doing moxa on GB 21 followed by H 4 would be good. > i don't see why not, though some would caution against using fire on a fire channel. > Thanks for the clarification-- > de nada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 kampo36 wrote: >>Tiger warmer? > > this is sometimes called " Thermie " and sometimes " Tiger Warmer " . it is a form of indirect > moxibustion which is used as a heat massage. the apparatus is a metal cigar-shaped > thingie consisting of an inner sleeve which holds a stick of compressed moxa (plus other > herbs, not 100% moxa) and an outer sleeve which covers the moxa stick and inner sleeve. > the end of the outer sleeve is rounded and there is a spring around the inner sleeve so you > can use it as a massage tool on acupoints, trigger points, etc. people also use them for > sinus congestion, as home therapy, and so on. i think Kiiko Matsumoto popularized its > use. very handy tool to have. > > you can see a picture and description here: > > http://www.lhasamedical.com/page.ccml?41 Hi Kampo! Thanks for the reply and the link. Never seen one before. Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 I'm looking for suggestions for prevention of cancer, after having a melanoma removed, and old asbestos exposure. Should I be taking OPC for this? I am 64 and in relatively good health at the moment. I am taking Vit D, iodine, B-12 and a multivit. Tony, once you regain some flexibility, try an exercise I have found to prevent severe low back pain if I am religious about it: the dead bug. You lie on your back with knees up and arms overhead, then alternate left side leg and arm down, then right side, etc. If you roll your hips up so your spine is flat on the mat, there is NO strain on the back while you strengthen your abs. Ted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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