Some truths about liver flushing - Epsom salts questions

June 20, 2009

With all due respect, it appears (to me) your logic/research is flawed.

--There IS such a thing as " liver stones " (as well as gallstones) - this is

indisputable...and doing a 'liver flush' expels both (as well as biliary sludge

and liver flukes, if one has them and has taken anti-parasite herbs to kill

them).

Here's a google search on " intrahepatic stones " + liver:

http://tinyurl.com/n5mg5j

And here's an image search of the same: http://tinyurl.com/ktgjv7

Enough searching through the links above will clearly confirm that even

allopathic medicine confirms the presence of intrahepatic stones (sometimes

referred to as intrahepatic gallstones) and knows they degrade liver

function/health...in fact, allopathic medicine frequently recommends :::sigh:::

surgery/liver resection.

(Yes, the links above DO have information from CZ and other 'alternative' sites,

too - but there's ample information from allopathic sites & surgeries for even

the most die-hard 'non believer')

-- This statement: >>> is more complicated than running some oil through it. <<<

....is a common (but physiologically impossible) misconception. Nothing ingested

by mouth runs directly through the liver! The mechanism of liver flushing has

nothing to do with oil running through the liver - the oil/citrus potion causes

the liver to release the bile that's been created/stored for the day (up to a

quart and a half daily) - and it's the bile flooding through the biliary network

that creates the " flush " process.

--The contents of this blog: http://curezone.com/blogs/f.asp?f=1196 completely,

thoroughly AND scientifically detail & explain every aspect of the liver flush

procedure. Below is the original " index " , but the blog & information has

expanded substantially since it's beginnings:

Detailed, Blow-by-Blow account of Telman's liver cleaning experiences over 38

flushes. Also other articles about liver flushing, the biliary system and

gallstones.

Index:

Telman's Maintenance Programme

Hiatal Hernia, Ileocecal Valve and Gallstones

Magnesium Citrate or Sulphate

Involvement of Magnesium Sulphate in the Liver Flush - Updated

Enterohepatic Recirculation

Oil and Citric Acid Flush Potion

Explanation of the Liver Flush

Biliary Sludge

Quality of Olive Oils

Egg Lime Oil [ELO] Flush Details

Flushes 1 to 10

Flushes 11 to 20

Flushes 21 to 30

Flushes 31 to End

--a great lil' thread about how some intrahepatic stones are formed:

http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1026067

--The assertion that intrahepatic stones are formed in the digestive tract

during a flush is a VERY common misperception (although understandable). For

decades people have been doing liver flushes and getting out stones that have

been analyzed at laboratories, and found to be of 'hepatic origin'). Of course,

in the lab results some do contain small amounts of oil/citrus, as most of the

stones are not completely calcified, and travel through the digestive tract with

the oil/citrus potion.

--Dr. Kelley took his liver flush protocol from the archives of the prestigious

Lahey Clinic in Boston (from the 1920's if I'm not mistaken). My mother-in-law

was cured of Stage IV terminal liver cancer at Dr. Kelley's underground clinics

and each patient was required to bring the 'flush results' to him for laboratory

& microscopic analysis. She was required to do one liver flush weekly, as well

as daily coffee enemas on her regime. (While this doesn't " prove " liver flushes

are effective, most do consider Dr. Kelley's clinical experience to be worthy of

consideration).

Knowledge is THE key to vibrant health!

Blessings -

Unyquity

oleander soup , Mike Golden <goldenmike86 wrote:

>

> As I've already pointed out, conditions in the intestines and their contents

are not the same every time you do a " flush " . Sometimes you'll get accretion

and sometimes you won't. If you feel better doing these it is because they

temporarily and partially purge the bowel. (As in " Grannie's " dose of " salts " .

Good for what ails you.) The reduction in bacterial metabolites that the liver

must deal with is temporarily reduced. This is basically how a high colonic

works also. People are incorrectly attributing this to a direct effect on the

liver itself.

> Magnesium sulphate has been used historically as a bowel purge. That is what

you are experiencing. Upregulation of the liver's ability to function is more

complicated than running some oil through it. It is not an inert pipe that

needs flushing.

>

> Mike

>

> --- On Thu, 6/18/09, Mike V <mds9513 wrote:

>

> Mike V <mds9513

> Re: Epsom salts questions

> oleander soup

> Thursday, June 18, 2009, 4:03 AM

>

I have done a few of these flushes and if what you are saying is true, I

should get stones every time. That's not the case however. Stones finished by

the 5th flush. Flushes are definitely helpful. Just read the book written by

Andreas Morris and understand what is all about.

>

> oleander soup, Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Those are not stones from the liver. They are accretions formed by mixing

bile, mag sulphate and oil at body temperature.

> >

> > Mike

> >

> > --- On Tue, 6/16/09, Maracuja <howdurdago@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Maracuja <howdurdago@ ...>

> > Re: Re: Epsom salts questions

> > oleander soup

> > Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 10:45 AM

> >

> > Very interesting. I have read of people who have had cholecystectomy, yet

have still flushed and passed stones, presumably from the liver. I'm sorry I

don't have a reference. I wish I had kept a note of the article!

> > Mara

> >

> > --- On Mon, 6/15/09, lillisilly wrote:

> >

> > I just wanted to say, I understand what you are saying here. My actual

purpose in wanting to do the flush *was* to flush gall stones out of my gall

bladder, even if it *is* called a liver flush.

> > Thanks for clarifying, though. It just underlines it for me.

> > Blessings, Jill~

> >

>

June 20, 2009

Intrahepatic stones are rare. The people who report these green stones following a flush report these things out of all proportion to the frequency of intrahepatic stones. Also, these commonly reported stones have been examined and found to be acretions and not expressed from the liver.

You are wrong about two other things. One...there is no mechanism for the liver to express stones like the gall bladder does. The gall bladder is contractile. The liver is not. Two....EVERYTHING we eat goes through the liver first via the portal vein. This is called the portal hepatic system. In fact, I will be talking about it next week in the college physiology course which I teach. Oils do pass through it directly from the organs of digestion. Those oil do not, though, benefit the liver in any way in its ability to function.

If you want to improve liver function you have to decrease the work load on the liver temporarily and , at the same time provide dietary substrate that supports both Pase One and Phase Two detoxification pathways. This, correctly done, will improve liver function over the course of two weeks. This is verifiable by various clearence tests (caffeine clearence, for example). Following this there will often be a dramatic improvement in health and function.

This approach is actually based on real science and not simplistic notions concerning liver function.

There was a time when patients and doctors alike claimed subjective health benefits via a purging type approach. This went on for a long time and it seemed to be based on "common sense". Unfortunately it was both simplistic and nonproductive. It was called bloodletting. Look it up.

Mike--- On Sat, 6/20/09, unyquity <yrrocks wrote:

unyquity <yrrocks Some truths about liver flushing - Re: Epsom salts questionsoleander soup Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 2:15 AM

With all due respect, it appears (to me) your logic/research is flawed.--There IS such a thing as "liver stones" (as well as gallstones) - this is indisputable. ..and doing a 'liver flush' expels both (as well as biliary sludge and liver flukes, if one has them and has taken anti-parasite herbs to kill them).Here's a google search on "intrahepatic stones" + liver: http://tinyurl. com/n5mg5jAnd here's an image search of the same: http://tinyurl. com/ktgjv7Enough searching through the links above will clearly confirm that even allopathic medicine confirms the presence of intrahepatic stones (sometimes referred to as intrahepatic gallstones) and knows they degrade liver function/health. ..in fact, allopathic medicine frequently recommends :::sigh::: surgery/liver resection.(Yes, the

links above DO have information from CZ and other 'alternative' sites, too - but there's ample information from allopathic sites & surgeries for even the most die-hard 'non believer')-- This statement: >>> is more complicated than running some oil through it. <<<...is a common (but physiologically impossible) misconception. Nothing ingested by mouth runs directly through the liver! The mechanism of liver flushing has nothing to do with oil running through the liver - the oil/citrus potion causes the liver to release the bile that's been created/stored for the day (up to a quart and a half daily) - and it's the bile flooding through the biliary network that creates the "flush" process. --The contents of this blog: http://curezone. com/blogs/ f.asp?f=1196 completely, thoroughly AND scientifically detail & explain every aspect of

the liver flush procedure. Below is the original "index", but the blog & information has expanded substantially since it's beginnings:Detailed, Blow-by-Blow account of Telman's liver cleaning experiences over 38 flushes. Also other articles about liver flushing, the biliary system and gallstones.Index:Telman's Maintenance ProgrammeHiatal Hernia, Ileocecal Valve and GallstonesMagnesium Citrate or SulphateInvolvement of Magnesium Sulphate in the Liver Flush - UpdatedEnterohepatic RecirculationOil and Citric Acid Flush PotionExplanation of the Liver FlushBiliary SludgeQuality of Olive OilsEgg Lime Oil [ELO] Flush DetailsFlushes 1 to 10Flushes 11 to 20Flushes 21 to 30Flushes 31 to End--a great lil' thread about how some intrahepatic stones are formed:http://curezone. com/forums/ am.asp?i=

1026067--The assertion that intrahepatic stones are formed in the digestive tract during a flush is a VERY common misperception (although understandable) . For decades people have been doing liver flushes and getting out stones that have been analyzed at laboratories, and found to be of 'hepatic origin'). Of course, in the lab results some do contain small amounts of oil/citrus, as most of the stones are not completely calcified, and travel through the digestive tract with the oil/citrus potion.--Dr. Kelley took his liver flush protocol from the archives of the prestigious Lahey Clinic in Boston (from the 1920's if I'm not mistaken). My mother-in-law was cured of Stage IV terminal liver cancer at Dr. Kelley's underground clinics and each patient was required to bring the 'flush results' to him for laboratory & microscopic analysis. She was required to do one liver flush weekly, as well as daily coffee enemas on her regime. (While

this doesn't "prove" liver flushes are effective, most do consider Dr. Kelley's clinical experience to be worthy of consideration) .Knowledge is THE key to vibrant health!Blessings -Unyquityoleander soup, Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ ...> wrote:>> > As I've already pointed out, conditions in the intestines and their contents are not the same every time you do a "flush". Sometimes you'll get accretion and sometimes you won't. If you feel better doing these it is because they temporarily and partially purge the bowel. (As in "Grannie's" dose of "salts". Good for what ails you.) The reduction in bacterial metabolites that the liver must deal with is temporarily reduced. This is

basically how a high colonic works also. People are incorrectly attributing this to a direct effect on the liver itself.> Magnesium sulphate has been used historically as a bowel purge. That is what you are experiencing. Upregulation of the liver's ability to function is more complicated than running some oil through it. It is not an inert pipe that needs flushing.> > Mike> > --- On Thu, 6/18/09, Mike V <mds9513 > wrote:> > > Mike V <mds9513 >> Re: Epsom salts questions> oleander soup> Thursday, June 18, 2009, 4:03 AM> > > > > > > > > I have done a

few of these flushes and if what you are saying is true, I should get stones every time. That's not the case however. Stones finished by the 5th flush. Flushes are definitely helpful. Just read the book written by Andreas Morris and understand what is all about. > > oleander soup, Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ ...> wrote:> >> > Those are not stones from the liver. They are accretions formed by mixing bile, mag sulphate and oil at body temperature. > > > > Mike> > > > --- On Tue, 6/16/09, Maracuja <howdurdago@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > Maracuja <howdurdago@ ...>> > Re: Re: Epsom salts questions> > oleander soup> > Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 10:45 AM> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very interesting. I have read of people who have had cholecystectomy, yet have still flushed and passed stones, presumably from the liver. I'm sorry I don't have a reference. I wish I had kept a note of the article! > > Mara> > > > --- On Mon, 6/15/09, lillisilly wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to say, I understand what you are saying here. My actual purpose in wanting to do the flush *was* to flush gall stones out of my gall bladder, even if it *is* called a liver flush. > > Thanks for clarifying, though. It just underlines it for me. > > Blessings, Jill~> >>

June 22, 2009

Can You tell me ,if youve already had your gallbladder taken out......what what does this do to the natural working of your system.? what negative reaction has this on your body? .....Pam NZ

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unyquity

oleander soup

Saturday, June 20, 2009 2:15 PM

Some truths about liver flushing - Re: Epsom salts questions

With all due respect, it appears (to me) your logic/research is flawed.--There IS such a thing as "liver stones" (as well as gallstones) - this is indisputable...and doing a 'liver flush' expels both (as well as biliary sludge and liver flukes, if one has them and has taken anti-parasite herbs to kill them).Here's a google search on "intrahepatic stones" + liver: http://tinyurl.com/n5mg5jAnd here's an image search of the same: http://tinyurl.com/ktgjv7Enough searching through the links above will clearly confirm that even allopathic medicine confirms the presence of intrahepatic stones (sometimes referred to as intrahepatic gallstones) and knows they degrade liver function/health...in fact, allopathic medicine frequently recommends :::sigh::: surgery/liver resection.(Yes, the links above DO have information from CZ and other 'alternative' sites, too - but there's ample information from allopathic sites & surgeries for even the most die-hard 'non believer')-- This statement: >>> is more complicated than running some oil through it. <<<...is a common (but physiologically impossible) misconception. Nothing ingested by mouth runs directly through the liver! The mechanism of liver flushing has nothing to do with oil running through the liver - the oil/citrus potion causes the liver to release the bile that's been created/stored for the day (up to a quart and a half daily) - and it's the bile flooding through the biliary network that creates the "flush" process. --The contents of this blog: http://curezone.com/blogs/f.asp?f=1196 completely, thoroughly AND scientifically detail & explain every aspect of the liver flush procedure. Below is the original "index", but the blog & information has expanded substantially since it's beginnings:Detailed, Blow-by-Blow account of Telman's liver cleaning experiences over 38 flushes. Also other articles about liver flushing, the biliary system and gallstones.Index:Telman's Maintenance ProgrammeHiatal Hernia, Ileocecal Valve and GallstonesMagnesium Citrate or SulphateInvolvement of Magnesium Sulphate in the Liver Flush - UpdatedEnterohepatic RecirculationOil and Citric Acid Flush PotionExplanation of the Liver FlushBiliary SludgeQuality of Olive OilsEgg Lime Oil [ELO] Flush DetailsFlushes 1 to 10Flushes 11 to 20Flushes 21 to 30Flushes 31 to End--a great lil' thread about how some intrahepatic stones are formed:http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1026067--The assertion that intrahepatic stones are formed in the digestive tract during a flush is a VERY common misperception (although understandable). For decades people have been doing liver flushes and getting out stones that have been analyzed at laboratories, and found to be of 'hepatic origin'). Of course, in the lab results some do contain small amounts of oil/citrus, as most of the stones are not completely calcified, and travel through the digestive tract with the oil/citrus potion.--Dr. Kelley took his liver flush protocol from the archives of the prestigious Lahey Clinic in Boston (from the 1920's if I'm not mistaken). My mother-in-law was cured of Stage IV terminal liver cancer at Dr. Kelley's underground clinics and each patient was required to bring the 'flush results' to him for laboratory & microscopic analysis. She was required to do one liver flush weekly, as well as daily coffee enemas on her regime. (While this doesn't "prove" liver flushes are effective, most do consider Dr. Kelley's clinical experience to be worthy of consideration).Knowledge is THE key to vibrant health!Blessings -Unyquityoleander soup , Mike Golden <goldenmike86 wrote:>> > As I've already pointed out, conditions in the intestines and their contents are not the same every time you do a "flush". Sometimes you'll get accretion and sometimes you won't. If you feel better doing these it is because they temporarily and partially purge the bowel. (As in "Grannie's" dose of "salts". Good for what ails you.) The reduction in bacterial metabolites that the liver must deal with is temporarily reduced. This is basically how a high colonic works also. People are incorrectly attributing this to a direct effect on the liver itself.> Magnesium sulphate has been used historically as a bowel purge. That is what you are experiencing. Upregulation of the liver's ability to function is more complicated than running some oil through it. It is not an inert pipe that needs flushing.> > Mike> > --- On Thu, 6/18/09, Mike V <mds9513 wrote:> > > Mike V <mds9513> Re: Epsom salts questions> oleander soup > Thursday, June 18, 2009, 4:03 AM> > > > > > > > > I have done a few of these flushes and if what you are saying is true, I should get stones every time. That's not the case however. Stones finished by the 5th flush. Flushes are definitely helpful. Just read the book written by Andreas Morris and understand what is all about. > > oleander soup, Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ ...> wrote:> >> > Those are not stones from the liver. They are accretions formed by mixing bile, mag sulphate and oil at body temperature. > > > > Mike> > > > --- On Tue, 6/16/09, Maracuja <howdurdago@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > Maracuja <howdurdago@ ...>> > Re: Re: Epsom salts questions> > oleander soup> > Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 10:45 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very interesting. I have read of people who have had cholecystectomy, yet have still flushed and passed stones, presumably from the liver. I'm sorry I don't have a reference. I wish I had kept a note of the article! > > Mara> > > > --- On Mon, 6/15/09, lillisilly wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to say, I understand what you are saying here. My actual purpose in wanting to do the flush *was* to flush gall stones out of my gall bladder, even if it *is* called a liver flush. > > Thanks for clarifying, though. It just underlines it for me. > > Blessings, Jill~> >>

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