New here looking for answers on OCC & OS etc

[Guest guest]

hi luella

 

is oleander safe to use with warfrin?

 

regards

 

bobby

 

-

May

oleander soup

Sunday, August 09, 2009 10:13 PM

Re: New here looking for answers on OCC & OS etc

 

Hi Rachel,

Welcome to the group.

Oleander is over 90% effective against all types of cancer. My best advice to you would be to immediately start on A Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol , which, first and foremost includes taking Oleander, either in "soup" form or Sutherlandia OPC. A Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol addresses cancer from its source, a weakened immune system. Oleander not only strengthens the immune system, but also actively works against cancer, itself.

Below are the instructions on how to make "Oleander Soup." You must make absolutely sure that the plant you are using has not been sprayed with any pesticides.

/oleander soup.htm

You want to attack the cancer from all angles, so I strongly suggest that you follow as much of the Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol as possible. Of course, all of it would be ideal. It will give you the roadmap to incorporate the proper supplements, diet, and lifestyle changes necessary for healing.

I am glad to hear that radiation is not an option for you. Radiation and chemo further compromise an already weakened immune system, together with destroying the body.

I wish you the very best and look forward to getting to know you.

 

[Guest guest]

thats good news for me luella,thank you

 

-

May

oleander soup

Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:03 AM

Re: New here looking for answers on OCC & OS etc

 

Hi Bobby,

I believe that it is safe. According to Marc Swanepoel, the cardiac glycosides have been filtered out in the making of Sutherladia OPC, making it perfectly safe to take with blood thinners and heart medications.

Marc, please correct me if I am mistaken.

 

oleander soup , "batman" <0823749937 wrote:>> hi luella> > is oleander safe to use with warfrin?> > regards> > bobby

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone

I'm Rachel, happily married for 29 years, mother of 2 adults and new

grandmother to a 1 yr old boy and another grandbaby is on the way. I

was diagnosed with cervical cancer 2 years ago at age 47, let them do

the surgery but refused the radiation after reading up on the many

devastating effects it causes. I plan to leave a positive lasting

impression on my (long awaited-long story) grand children's lives,

teaching them about Jesus Christ. So I figure God plans to keep me

around to help out with my grandbabies, and I fully intend to be around

to help.

 

Last month we were informed that they apparently did not get all the

cancer during the surgery. Again all they will offer me is radiation.

NO THANKS! Thus I'm back to square one.

Now why did I go through not just one surgery but two, (dr's fault, she

neglected to give me antibiotics after the 1st surgery) tens of

thousands of dollars, pain and suffering. Did I forget to mention I'm

uninsured, and that ate up most of our life savings. Can you tell I'm a

bit fed up with Alopathic medicine. I'm done with that, at this point I

feel the only thing they have to offer is lab test maybe.

 

I'm hoping to learn more about using the oleander soup, and finding out

how well it works, from people who have used it. I'm also looking into

the OCC protocol, but was hoping to find out more about it from someone

that's done it. I have made a lot of positive dietary changes over the

past couple of years including adding organic wheat grass and organic

carrot juice into my daily diet. I want to hit this hard and fast, then

get back to a semi-normal lifestyle.

 

Rachel

[Guest guest]

Rachel,

 

I too , welcome you to the group!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is a wealth of knowledge and experience available to you here.

You are on the right track, with making changes in your life.

Be sure you are fresh juicing your organic veggies, and drink them fresh.

Consuming good food and cleansing your cells will change your "environment."

Have you heard of using Ozone?

Also the use of fresh Aloe leaves.

And of course, high levels of vitamins C.

 

Let's start a string of discussion, all around the globe, to help you overcome this challenge.

 

Rich

 

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 8/8/2009 6:49:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, elizabethdeedrick writes:

 

 

Hey Rachel! Welcome to the group! There are a lot of people here who will help you! You have a great positive attitude, a faith in Jesus Christ, a family you love, and a mission to accomplish! The Lord has led you to the right place! A lot of knowledge, information, love and care here! So Welcome! Elizabeth

 

 

 

Lady Pilgrim <Ladypilgrimoleander soup Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 4:14:09 PM New here looking for answers on OCC & OS etc

Hi EveryoneI'm Rachel, happily married for 29 years, mother of 2 adults and new grandmother to a 1 yr old boy and another grandbaby is on the way. I was diagnosed with cervical cancer 2 years ago at age 47, let them do the surgery but refused the radiation after reading up on the many devastating effects it causes. I plan to leave a positive lasting impression on my (long awaited-long story) grand children's lives, teaching them about Jesus Christ. So I figure God plans to keep me around to help out with my grandbabies, and I fully intend to be around to help.Last month we were informed that they apparently did not get all the cancer during the surgery. Again all they will offer me is radiation. NO THANKS! Thus I'm back to square one.Now why did I go through not just one surgery but two, (dr's fault, she neglected to give me antibiotics after the 1st surgery) tens of thousands of dollars, pain and suffering. Did I forget to mention I'm uninsured, and that ate up most of our life savings. Can you tell I'm a bit fed up with Alopathic medicine. I'm done with that, at this point I feel the only thing they have to offer is lab test maybe. I'm hoping to learn more about using the oleander soup, and finding out how well it works, from people who have used it. I'm also looking into the OCC protocol, but was hoping to find out more about it from someone that's done it. I have made a lot of positive dietary changes over the past couple of years including adding organic wheat grass and organic carrot juice into my daily diet. I want to hit this hard and fast, then get back to a semi-normal lifestyle.Rachel

[Guest guest]

Hey Rachel! Welcome to the group! There are a lot of people here who will help you! You have a great positive attitude, a faith in Jesus Christ, a family you love, and a mission to accomplish! The Lord has led you to the right place! A lot of knowledge, information, love and care here! So Welcome! Elizabeth

 

 

 

Lady Pilgrim <Ladypilgrimoleander soup Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 4:14:09 PM New here looking for answers on OCC & OS etc

Hi EveryoneI'm Rachel, happily married for 29 years, mother of 2 adults and new grandmother to a 1 yr old boy and another grandbaby is on the way. I was diagnosed with cervical cancer 2 years ago at age 47, let them do the surgery but refused the radiation after reading up on the many devastating effects it causes. I plan to leave a positive lasting impression on my (long awaited-long story) grand children's lives, teaching them about Jesus Christ. So I figure God plans to keep me around to help out with my grandbabies, and I fully intend to be around to help.Last month we were informed that they apparently did not get all the cancer during the surgery. Again all they will offer me is radiation. NO THANKS! Thus I'm back to square one.Now why did I go through not just one surgery but two, (dr's fault, she neglected to give me antibiotics after the 1st surgery) tens of thousands of dollars,

pain and suffering. Did I forget to mention I'm uninsured, and that ate up most of our life savings. Can you tell I'm a bit fed up with Alopathic medicine. I'm done with that, at this point I feel the only thing they have to offer is lab test maybe. I'm hoping to learn more about using the oleander soup, and finding out how well it works, from people who have used it. I'm also looking into the OCC protocol, but was hoping to find out more about it from someone that's done it. I have made a lot of positive dietary changes over the past couple of years including adding organic wheat grass and organic carrot juice into my daily diet. I want to hit this hard and fast, then get back to a semi-normal lifestyle.Rachel

[Guest guest]

Elizabeth

Thank you, I know I have much to learn.

 

Rachel

 

 

Elizabeth Deedrick wrote:

>

>

> * Hey Rachel! Welcome to the group! There are a lot of people

> here who will help you! You have a great positive attitude, a faith

> in Jesus Christ, a family you love, and a mission to accomplish! The

> Lord has led you to the right place! A lot of knowledge, information,

> love and care here! So Welcome! Elizabeth*

>

> ------

> *

> *

[Guest guest]

Hi Rich

Well I have to admit I'm not fresh juicing. I'm using the powdered

organic wheat grass and pre-made organic carrot juice that's 100%

carrot, with nothing added. One reason is I only have a hand juicer,

(which makes me want to break it) every time I pull it out, we get into

a fight, I don't have the arm strength needed to juice carrots in that

thing. I've been drinking water almost exclusively, NO soda of any kind

and no sugar. I was on aloe but it was pricey, and getting the pure

stuff seems impossible, they all add things into it, which of course I

get to pay for. Getting fresh Aloe leaves around here may be a tough

call too, even the plants they sell here are little bitty things, with

leaves to small to use for anything more than a tiny scrape. Still

looking for a decent sized aloe plant to buy.

You would think that one could find a nice aloe plant here in the NV desert.

 

I've been on the Vitamin C for a while now, and yes I have heard of

ozone, we even have a machine around here somewhere, not sure where or

if it still works though.

 

I'm currently trying to work on a menu as I have always been a meat

eater, so that is quite a change for me.

Although I like most veggies and will eat them, dh wont touch most of

them. So for many years now I have mostly cooked to keep him fed, and

catered more to his likes and dislikes. I'm hoping to come up with some

meals that we can eat together, rather than me on my diet and him eating

as usual.

 

Thanks for the tips,

Rachel

 

 

 

 

 

 

richmaj wrote:

>

>

> *Rachel,*

> **

> *I too , welcome you to the group!!!!!!!!!!!!!*

> *There is a wealth of knowledge and experience available to you here.*

> *You are on the right track, with making changes in your life.*

> *Be sure you are fresh juicing your organic veggies, and drink them

> fresh.*

> *Consuming good food and cleansing your cells will change your

> " environment. " *

> *Have you heard of using Ozone? *

> *Also the use of fresh Aloe leaves.*

> *And of course, high levels of vitamins C.*

> **

> *Let's start a string of discussion, all around the globe, to help you

> overcome this challenge.*

> **

> *Rich*

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Rachel...............

 

You can buy nice juicy Aloe Barbadensis Miller leaves from organic farms in Florida and also in Texas.

Yes, they might be expensive, but what is the price fro health?

A dear late friend of mine overcame your type of challenge, by scraping out fresh aloe barbadensis miller leaves and placing the goo inside for her. Sounds messy, but you do what you need to do.

No, she did not succumb from CA, she was in a car accident.

Do whatever you can to get an electric juicer, so you can make fresh, enzyme rich juice.

Live foods are very important to you right now.

Don't worry about having to change what you do and eat, just do it.

You life is much more important then a small inconvenience.

Your guy will understand.

Spend the majority of your day, healing yourself.

We will be here to help.

hugg

Rich in NJ

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 8/9/2009 1:52:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Ladypilgrim writes:

Hi RichWell I have to admit I'm not fresh juicing. I'm using the powdered organic wheat grass and pre-made organic carrot juice that's 100% carrot, with nothing added. One reason is I only have a hand juicer, (which makes me want to break it) every time I pull it out, we get into a fight, I don't have the arm strength needed to juice carrots in that thing. I've been drinking water almost exclusively, NO soda of any kind and no sugar. I was on aloe but it was pricey, and getting the pure stuff seems impossible, they all add things into it, which of course I get to pay for. Getting fresh Aloe leaves around here may be a tough call too, even the plants they sell here are little bitty things, with leaves to small to use for anything more than a tiny scrape. Still looking for a decent sized aloe plant to buy.You would think that one could find a nice aloe plant here in the NV desert.I've been on the Vitamin C for a while now, and yes I have heard of ozone, we even have a machine around here somewhere, not sure where or if it still works though.I'm currently trying to work on a menu as I have always been a meat eater, so that is quite a change for me.Although I like most veggies and will eat them, dh wont touch most of them. So for many years now I have mostly cooked to keep him fed, and catered more to his likes and dislikes. I'm hoping to come up with some meals that we can eat together, rather than me on my diet and him eating as usual. Thanks for the tips,Rachelrichmaj wrote:>>> *Rachel,*> ** > *I too , welcome you to the group!!!!!!!!!!!!!*> *There is a wealth of knowledge and experience available to you here.*> *You are on the right track, with making changes in your life.*> *Be sure you are fresh juicing your organic veggies, and drink them > fresh.*> *Consuming good food and cleansing your cells will change your > "environment."*> *Have you heard of using Ozone? *> *Also the use of fresh Aloe leaves.*> *And of course, high levels of vitamins C.*> ** > *Let's start a string of discussion, all around the globe, to help you > overcome this challenge.*> ** > *Rich*> > > > >---

[Guest guest]

www.aloe1.com/pdffiles/aloehealthdrink.pdf

 

Excellent aloe.

 

 

In a message dated 8/9/2009 6:24:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Ladypilgrim writes:

Hi RichGuess I should check out all the juicers, I always hated that they are so messy to deal with, but suppose i had better just get over it. So how often do you guys juice, as in how many times a day? I'm thinking do it first thing in the morning then again later in the day if I can.I had not considered putting aloe inside but it does make sense. I have been searching the Aloe leaf this since I read your post and cannot find the places you mentioned that sell the leaves. maybe I need to reword my search. Do you know the name of either place?As far as getting organically grown oleander, again I'm going through search engines to find it, as I don't know where else to go. I know the plants are all over this town but am sure most have been sprayed with pesticides.Any links any of you have for suppliers of these things are welcome,thanks again,Rachel---

[Guest guest]

Hi Rachel,

Welcome to the group.

Oleander is over 90% effective against all types of cancer. My best advice to you would be to immediately start on A Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol , which, first and foremost includes taking Oleander, either in "soup" form or Sutherlandia OPC. A Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol addresses cancer from its source, a weakened immune system. Oleander not only strengthens the immune system, but also actively works against cancer, itself.

Below are the instructions on how to make "Oleander Soup." You must make absolutely sure that the plant you are using has not been sprayed with any pesticides.

/oleander soup.htm

You want to attack the cancer from all angles, so I strongly suggest that you follow as much of the Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol as possible. Of course, all of it would be ideal. It will give you the roadmap to incorporate the proper supplements, diet, and lifestyle changes necessary for healing.

I am glad to hear that radiation is not an option for you. Radiation and chemo further compromise an already weakened immune system, together with destroying the body.

I wish you the very best and look forward to getting to know you.

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Rich

Guess I should check out all the juicers, I always hated that they are

so messy to deal with, but suppose i had better just get over it. So

how often do you guys juice, as in how many times a day? I'm thinking

do it first thing in the morning then again later in the day if I can.

 

I had not considered putting aloe inside but it does make sense. I have

been searching the Aloe leaf this since I read your post and cannot find

the places you mentioned that sell the leaves.

maybe I need to reword my search. Do you know the name of either place?

 

As far as getting organically grown oleander, again I'm going through

search engines to find it, as I don't know where else to go. I know

the plants are all over this town but am sure most have been sprayed

with pesticides.

 

Any links any of you have for suppliers of these things are welcome,

thanks again,

Rachel

 

 

 

richmaj wrote:

>

>

> *Rachel...............*

> **

> *You can buy nice juicy Aloe Barbadensis Miller leaves from organic

> farms in Florida and also in Texas.*

> *Yes, they might be expensive, but what is the price fro health?*

> *A dear late friend of mine overcame your type of challenge, by

> scraping out fresh aloe barbadensis miller leaves and placing the

> goo inside for her. Sounds messy, but you do what you need to do.*

> *No, she did not succumb from CA, she was in a car accident.*

> *Do whatever you can to get an electric juicer, so you can make fresh,

> enzyme rich juice.*

> *Live foods are very important to you right now.*

> *Don't worry about having to change what you do and eat, just do it.*

> *You life is much more important then a small inconvenience.*

> *Your guy will understand.*

> *Spend the majority of your day, healing yourself.*

> *We will be here to help.*

> *hugg*

> *Rich in NJ*

> **

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There is a lot of natural health fraud coming out of

Florida. A tremendous amount!! And there has always been a lot of misrepresentation

concerning Aloe Vera. I am NOT

saying this particular company is a fraud, but I am saying to please do your

due diligence and read between the lines. They say it is tested by a certified

independent laboratory. Ask for a

copy before you buy. I could not

find whether the aloe is organic or not.

 

 

Rather than take a chance on contamination, I would just buy some aloe plants

and use them before I would order from a company that is not really giving any

information about “how” they are harvesting the aloe or even if the

aloe is organic. Notice it is tested for quality but nothing else such as

molecular weight. The molecular weight of an Aloe Vera product expresses the amount of

polymannose molecules present in that particular product. The most

accurate test available for taking such high-tech and precise measurements is

the Nuclear

Magnetic Resonance Spectroscopy. This test not only gives the most

accurate representation of mannose available, but it can also measure the

amount of each of the four chains of the polymannose molecule. An

educated consumer should look for an aloe product that has not only the highest

concentration of polymannose molecules, but also one that offers all four

chains, since each chain is responsible for a unique and vital effect within

the body. A reputable Aloe Vera product manufacturer will have this

information available for you upon request. Beware of those who are not

even sure what an NMR Spectroscopy is.

 

I highly doubt this is any special aloe other than it is the Aloe barbadensis-Miller

which has always been the best type to use. The last name of the guy promoting it is

Stockton so that is where the Stockton part comes from. He calls it BARBADENSIS-MILLER-STOCKTON

to make it seem different than the Aloe barbadensis-Miller.

Another red flag is that they are saying that it has cured

cancer. This is the type of

marketing-hype that gets people into trouble.

 

Be Well

Dr.L

 

 

 

 

 

oleander soup oleander soup

On Behalf Of richmaj

Sunday, August 09, 2009 5:50 PM

oleander soup

Re: New here looking for answers on OCC & OS

etc

 

 

 

 

 

www.aloe1.com/pdffiles/aloehealthdrink.pdf

 

 

 

 

 

Excellent aloe.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

These people have been producing and selling aloe for over 80 years.

I personally know over 40 people who have been healed from their plants

Half of them that were battling cancer.

I have been buying from them for 28 years.

I would do some research before making judgement.

 

 

In a message dated 8/9/2009 8:37:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drlanphier writes:

 

 

There is a lot of natural health fraud coming out of Florida. A tremendous amount!! And there has always been a lot of misrepresentation concerning Aloe Vera. I am NOT saying this particular company is a fraud, but I am saying to please do your due diligence and read between the lines. They say it is tested by a certified independent laboratory. Ask for a copy before you buy. I could not find whether the aloe is organic or not. Rather than take a chance on contamination, I would just buy some aloe plants and use them before I would order from a company that is not really giving any information about “how†they are harvesting the aloe or even if the aloe is organic. Notice it is tested for quality but nothing else such as molecular weight. The molecular weight of an Aloe Vera product expresses the amount of polymannose molecules present in that particular product. The most accurate test available for taking such high-tech and precise measurements is the Nuclear Magnetic Resonance Spectroscopy. This test not only gives the most accurate representation of mannose available, but it can also measure the amount of each of the four chains of the polymannose molecule. An educated consumer should look for an aloe product that has not only the highest concentration of polymannose molecules, but also one that offers all four chains, since each chain is responsible for a unique and vital effect within the body. A reputable Aloe Vera product manufacturer will have this information available for you upon request. Beware of those who are not even sure what an NMR Spectroscopy is. I highly doubt this is any special aloe other than it is the Aloe barbadensis-Miller which has always been the best type to use. The last name of the guy promoting it is Stockton so that is where the Stockton part comes from. He calls it BARBADENSIS-MILLER-STOCKTON to make it seem different than the Aloe barbadensis-Miller.

Another red flag is that they are saying that it has cured cancer. This is the type of marketing-hype that gets people into trouble. Be WellDr.L

 

 

 

oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of richmajSent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 5:50 PMoleander soup Subject: Re: New here looking for answers on OCC & OS etc

 

 

 

www.aloe1.com/pdffiles/aloehealthdrink.pdf

 

 

 

Excellent aloe.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yes, but I would consider changing the enzymes to a food based one.

Rich

 

 

In a message dated 8/10/2009 9:06:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 0823749937 writes:

 

hi luella

 

is oleander safe to use with warfrin?

 

regards

 

bobby

 

-

May

oleander soup

Sunday, August 09, 2009 10:13 PM

Re: New here looking for answers on OCC & OS etc

 

Hi Rachel,

Welcome to the group.

Oleander is over 90% effective against all types of cancer. My best advice to you would be to immediately start on A Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol , which, first and foremost includes taking Oleander, either in "soup" form or Sutherlandia OPC. A Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol addresses cancer from its source, a weakened immune system. Oleander not only strengthens the immune system, but also actively works against cancer, itself.

Below are the instructions on how to make "Oleander Soup." You must make absolutely sure that the plant you are using has not been sprayed with any pesticides.

/oleander soup.htm

You want to attack the cancer from all angles, so I strongly suggest that you follow as much of the Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol as possible. Of course, all of it would be ideal. It will give you the roadmap to incorporate the proper supplements, diet, and lifestyle changes necessary for healing.

I am glad to hear that radiation is not an option for you. Radiation and chemo further compromise an already weakened immune system, together with destroying the body.

I wish you the very best and look forward to getting to know you.

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Bobby,

I believe that it is safe. According to Marc Swanepoel, the cardiac glycosides have been filtered out in the making of Sutherladia OPC, making it perfectly safe to take with blood thinners and heart medications.

Marc, please correct me if I am mistaken.

 

oleander soup , "batman" <0823749937 wrote:>> hi luella> > is oleander safe to use with warfrin?> > regards> > bobby

[Guest guest]

Actually, the cardiac glycosides are not filtered out and one of them, oleandrin, is considered to be the primary effective compound in an aqueous extract of oleander. It is the other toxins in olenader that are largely filtered out and neutralized by the aqueous extraction method of boiling for several hours and repeated filtering.

However, a capsule of oleander only contains about 1/40th the amount of cardiac glycosides as does an average dose of digoxin/digitalis. What that means is that anyone on blood thinning or other heart medication should proceed cautiously and it would be best to do so under the supervision of a qualified naturopathic physician.

Cardiac glycosides are non-polar compounds, which means that they are not water soluable. As a result, you only get a small amount during an aqueous extraction (kind of like the broth you might get from boiling meat bones). Since the amount you get is so small, it would might be OK to take with such blood thinners and heart medications, and apparently many have chosen to do so, but you might want to adjust the doseage of such medications downwards to compensate.

If it were me, that is what I would do and I would start with very small amounts and work my way up slowly - consulting with a naturopath or qualified medical professional along the way and monitoring any changes that may occur.

All the best,

oleander soup , "batman" <0823749937 wrote:>> thats good news for me luella,thank you> - > May > oleander soup > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:03 AM> Re: New here looking for answers on OCC & OS etc> > > > Hi Bobby,> > I believe that it is safe. According to Marc Swanepoel, the cardiac glycosides have been filtered out in the making of Sutherladia OPC, making it perfectly safe to take with blood thinners and heart medications.> > Marc, please correct me if I am mistaken.> > > > > oleander soup , "batman" 0823749937@ wrote:> >> > hi luella> > > > is oleander safe to use with warfrin?> > > > regards> > > > bobby>